Hey guys! I will start off by saying that I have been using opiates for about 3 years now. It started with vikes..then perks..then methadone and now I am a mess. My whole life has been ruined. Before the methadone I was taking 5 percocet 10mg at a time and it wasnt even giving me a buzz (This is also after being on percocet for over a year). I am a 22 year old girl and I only weigh about 120lbs... My tolerance was sky high. What made me hit rock bottom was when I got a hold of a bunch of methadone and started using that because it made me feel normal... i was taking 10-20 10mg methadone a day for the last 6-8 months. Last thurs I ran out of methadone and was using percocet to get through the withdrawals. Finally enough was enough and I got a hold of this AMAZING suboxone dr. I had my induction on Tues..but the problem was I took 5 15 mg roxies at 4 am before my induction. When I got my first 8mg dose of Sub I immediately went into precipitated (?sp?) withdrawal for about an hr... then I started to feel a little more comfortable. The comfortable feeling didnt last so I took another 8mg pill later that night. Tuesday night was the worst night of my life I did not sleep a wink I had the worst wd pains the RLS..the hot and cold flashes that run through ur body and make u feel awful and of course the diarrhea and the stomach pain (and anxiety feeling) right above my belly button. On wed my dr increased my sub to 3x a day (8mg) slowly by taking halves. STILL NO RELIEF? I slept last night maybe for 2 hrs at best and I am completely miserable. I took my sub this morning and still I am uncomfortable and miserable and I cant even take anything to relieve my twitchy legs or my anxiety belly pains or the INTENSE hot and cold flashes. I have even considered suicide (I also suffer from bipolar)..I can't do this anymore. Does anyone have any good advice? I need help before I do something that I can't take back. No one in my life understands how hard it is to feel these symptoms CONSTANTLY for days on end while I can't sleep or barely sit down. My dr will be calling me today to see how the 3X a day is doing..and I have my second appt tomorrow... but I am just not hopeful. To top things off my fiance who was my partner in crime with using..he is feeling completely normal from 2 8mg a day. He sleeps and isn't suffering at all. I am hysterically crying right now bc I can't deal anymore. PLEASE HELP!!! thank u!!
PLEASE HELP! Going through wds... and on suboxone?
Question posted by m.coniker403 on 12 Aug 2010
Last updated on 20 April 2023 by Mcc1211
36 Answers
Good afternoon,
Is it common to still have hot and cold sweats 16 days after stopping?
Thanks in advance.
Hi,how are u now?? I can't take this anymore either,I'm researching options if getting clean as we speak but I must say u seem to be a very strong woman,u got this and u inspire me to want to change also. God bless u and please remember NEVER GIVE UP!!!
Did you realize that this post is 7 years old? I wish you the best in your recovery.
Please remember what I am telling myself about every 60 seconds, and that is these 4 words: This is only temporary. I am so sick of being sick too... but there will come a day when we wake up and feel normal. Alive even! I just can't stop crying... and my poor sweet kids deserve so much better. Good luck! I am prayin every second for you... and me! (:
After using opiates for over 10 yrs, my Dr. put me on 1 1/2 sub in the morning, and 1 at night(8mg). I felt great. No w/d no rls. So I do not understand how this is not helping you? Unless you are allergic? I had to ask him to cut mine back a little only because I cant sleep for the sub's give me such energy, and I feel great? I sure hope you start getting better. And would continue to talk to your Dr. Do not go back to methadone, or opiates... Some way some how it will get better!!! Please let me know.
Hi crubb,
This is a really old question. I don't know if you noticed that. I have now been on and off Suboxone, but mostly Subutex since 2004. It turns out I'm allergic to the Naloxone in Suboxone. I had 5 great years taking 5 - 8 mg of Name Brand Subutex. It gave me energy and I never felt a need for anything else. Then I developed Opioid Induced Hyperalgesia. So the Doc put me on Oxy and Mscontin for 1 year and my tolerance went through the roof. That lasted 1 year. In April 2011 I was put back on Subutex. It no longer gives me energy, and now I need almost 16 mg a day. I expected the dose to come down, but it doesn't. There is also no longer a Name Brand made, and the different generics work differently.
I have come to see that this Sub pill effects different people differently, and even the same person differently. You're like on a honeymoon with Sub, and I hope it lasts you very long. It ended for me in 2009 after 5 great years. I've been on opiates for pain and other problems since 1996. The thought of quitting them scares the crap out of me. But Subutex is no longer being made properly and part of me wishes I could quit it. There is something very strange going on with this drug and no one knows what. Maybe the compound just isn't stable and that's why it wasn't used for about 20 years. Bupe was around a long time before it became Sub. Why was it never used before.
There are many questions and no answers with Sub. I'm glad it effects you positively. I hope it always does.
i must admitt that when subutext came out it was the majic wand for opiate dependents. But as with anything to do with addicts we are all treated like the lowest commen dinominator. i relapsed resently and left it 12 hours after a shot of herion and had a suboxzone wafer. Well i will never do that again, 30 mins later I was so sick it still makes me shiver thinking of it. Back in the day when I started on text i had a shot in the morn and went to the doc in the arvo and i wasn't sick. This is the problem we get on subs cause we aren't perfect but suboxzone really punishes you if you stuff up. But maybe thats what the whole point is.
I am so shocked at your side effects? I was on morphine for many more years than you, and one 8 mg sub every other day takes it all away. I am to take 2 and a half a day but they give me so much energy as the morphine did at 1st, that I cant take as much as Dr wants? I dont get why you should be going through such a rough time?
I was on suboxone for about 8 months. Started out at 12mgs a day and then about 4 months into it I started weaning off of it. I weaned myself down to .5 mgs a day, I did that for 2 weeks and then I stopped taking it. That was 3 weeks ago. The physical withdrawals were not as bad as the opiate withdrawals and subsided about 8 days into it. Now I'm on day 22 and I'm feeling better for the most part. I started having some depression 2 weeks ago so I started working out in the gym and that helped. I'm still not near back to 100% before I started this process but I think I'm past the worst.
It is a long process, hang in there and it will get better.
That's amazing! I am so interested in what if any symptoms did you have coming off Suboxone? I have been on Subx for 4 yrs.I have tapered down now to crumbs but I still feel like miserable if I try to quit.I hate pain.Maybe its my age 58 or because of other health issues.Anyway just want to tell you "Good work" and wish many many years of staying clear !♥
As I read your situation I wanted to cry. I was there right where you are now. Ask your doctor to prescribe neurontin, or gabapentin in generic, for the RLS in your legs and it also helps with pain. I am on 3 doses a day of 400mgs and it really helps. Also see about getting in to the hospital to get off the pain pills with intraveineous suboxone. The treatment is about a week in the hospital. PLEASE PLEASE do not call it quits. Think about the people you leave behind. Then think about yourself. You can do this.
I am so sorry u are going thru this. I know how u feel. I have been going to a methadone clinic for almost 6 years now on a stable dose of 80mgs and have been wanting to try to stop going for some time now but i am terrified of the withdrawls. I have 2 children and a husband and alot of responsibilities that i wont b able to take on while in withdrawal plus the bipolar thing runs in my family as well and even after the withdrawls r over i still need something to keep me sain and every antidepressant i have ever taken has never helped. Most of the antidepressants out there have more side affects than the methadone and some r costly as well. I dont know what sum1 like me shld do. I would like to b free of all meds and b normal everyday with nothing but i dont know if i can do that and b happy. Alot of people i have talked to has done just great on the Suboxone then i have read alot of bad things about it 2.
I just wonder if the ones that r getting sick from it is not waiting long enough for the methadone to leave their systems before starting Suboxone or if it just works for some people and dont for others. I dont wanna start something that isnt any better than the methadone. I was thinking about trying to find like a 10 day inpatient place that i can go to & stay there until i can get thru the withdrawls and b away from everybody while doing so cuz i know i wont b able 2 handle anything while im going thru this and i would like to have someone there incase i need medical attention cuz the shock to your body coming off of methadone could b to much for some. I am so afraid of doing this cuz of all the stories i have heard. I have withdrawled from pain pills and those withdrawls where bad enough and i hear methadone is way worse. I have had to go a couple of days without methadone b4 and started to withdrawal but im not sure if methadone was completely out of my system or not. Mayb if u can find a place that can help u come off of methadone and Suboxone and just b done with it all together that would b best. That way u will have sum1 there if u need them at all times and away from a stressful enviroment. If u have to go to the emergency room dont sit there and deal with this by yourself and PLEASE dont think about suicide cuz this will pass u just need a little help. Im with ya girl your not alone. I dont know if your a religious person or not but i am and im gonna b doin a whole not of praying now and when i do decide to start weening off of this stuff. We have to put our faith in God that he will see us thru this!! Good Luck and ill say a prayer for u!!!
I am in australia but over here on suboxzone I am on 6 take aways and that is a crap load better than going to the clinic every day. I garentee you swapping over will be painfull and scary, but thats the beautiful thing about the human mind, it can't remember pain. Sure you will remember how much it sucked but you will only feel the pain once.
wow girl i know what what u are going through. I have been a heroin addict for three years hit rock bottom a few times. I now am off the heroin but addicted to subs.I think because u said your talerance is so high the subs are not helping yet. same thing happen to me.Plus u can not mix subs with any other opiate,because subs contain buprenorphine witch is a theraputic opiate thats given for opiate dependences.And it cantains a narcotic blocker.I think your body has to adjust.HANG in there im going though withdrawls just to get off the subs.I WANT a normal life and dont want to have to take any pill to feel normal.I guess i have to suffer some before i can .
you really need to stick with the suboxone. I think what you did is you didn't go into a withdrawal period from the pain pills long enough before you took your first dose of suboxone. There is nothing else out there better than suboxone. Stick with the suboxone. it will eventually work. you will be very glad you did. Suboxone has allowed me to live a normal life again.
WOW!! This is odd to me! I used to take all the different pain pills same as you right up til I was switched to suboxone also and my tolerance was very very high. the suboxone worked for me the very first dose. I had absolutely NO withdrawal symptoms. Suboxone saved my life.
This is what scares me too, M con. I'm new to this site so I can't navigate it yet
I am very worried. I got appt for sub dr on 20th to be inducted 21st. I am weaning down but nurse told me I only need to be in 24 hrs of Wds. Like from the time of my appt from 930am the 20th to induction 830am the 21st. Every other dr I've talked to say Wds for 3 days. I'm scared this experience will go bad getting started from what im hearing. I'm going to follow it through but im confused why some Drs say 3 days and some 24 hrs. I heard timing is the difference between a good and bad experience. I'm still recovering from hysterectomy, but I have to do this NOW and build my life back up!! Please give me some advice. I have to do this right!!
Oh sweetheart you brought a tear to my eye! I completely understand how you feel. Suicide is not the answer. You need to try some other things along witht the suboxone to overcome those feelings at night. During the day I found that taking a long walk works for the pain in my legs. Also make sure you force lots of water on yourself. You could be dehydrated . I don't know why the sub is not working for you so you need to talk to your doctor for sure. My ex got me addicted to pain meds and I am still paying for it 3 years later by being addicted to sub now. It does get better though. I really hope you decide to stick with it. If you have any questions you can ask me. I have been through it all and with two children by my side.
You can do this without the subs!!! Look, for the past 4 yrs i have been taking some form of opiate to get high, over the past year i spirled completely out of control. The last 6 months I was spending roughly $70-120 per day. I would take 15 per tens and that still wasnt enough, somedays i would take 4 30mg roxies and a few perks, also really enjoyed opania's, daulaudids and the oc's. Pills are devil and will rob you of your soul!!! This is how i did it- i have been clean for 3 weeks clean of any opiates, other than the 2 subs that i used vary sparingly the 1st week. My view on the subs is this, all they are is the "new generation" of methadone. As a methadone clinic is normally associated with a heroin junkie, a suboxone clinic is for the pill junkies and neither one of these methods are going to fix the problem.
THey both just prolong the inevitable- Withdrawal!!! mY 1ST week I had 2 subs and I tapered off thru out the week and then the detox began- i had muscle aches, bones, joints, and my skin was crawling, no enery,ect ect all the "norm" sypmtoms. I had naproxen, clonidine, clodipine, b12 pills, B liquid complex, drank tea to flush my liver and kidneys, but honestly what helped the most was some all natural medical grade maurijuana that thankfully my friends had brought home from colorado!!! This is a mind game- you no if you really want to quit. Since day1, i have had no desire to get any pills and believe me im still getn phone calls and text!!! The past 3 weeks has been the most spritual awakening for me, I have cried out to God,multiple times everyday and I promise you that if you seek him- he will be with you every step of the way! The aches and pains where all worth it and i truely believe that i should have felt much much worse than how i did and my dr was about speechless because of how great i looked,my state of mind and all that stuff. Start praying and talking to God and he will get you thru this. I realized thru this ordeal that God is not the one that "let this happen"- we did- he allows us to get beat down so badly, that we really dont have any other choice than to cry out to him and when you do he will be beside you every step of the way!!!
You can go through it if you stick with others who have been where you are and trust their support to get you through it. I spent 15 sleepless days and nights, lost 15 lbs during the first week, and had to FORCE myself to get out of bed to get fluids going. Juice, soup, no coffee, no sodas, and no plain water; just lots of vegetable and fruit juices at first. Frozen cold packs on the back of the neck help with the painful muscles. I could feel whole bands of muscles turn rock hard. Then the sheets of sweat... ugh! My doctor even offered to put me BACK on the Oxycodone. These docs know their drugs but they know nothing about addiction. Isn't that what we are talking about? This is not an admonishment, it is a disease and the only way to start recovery is to get off the chemicals; whatever they are, and whatever form they come in. You won't die from narcotics withdrawal as can happen from alcohol (DTs can be fatal) even though you may wish you would die.
I am not being funny about that. I started having suicidal ideation, and had someone close to me come to my house and remove a loaded revolver. Perhaps that is TMI but I doubt I am the only one. If you are thinking that way, get a hotline phone number, call a relative or friend. maybe look into a 12 step program if you are into that. I am no spring chicken, and if I can survive the ass kicking I took from the dragon, so can you my friend... best to you.
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