I know it sounds a little dumb to be thinking it's somehow possible to get off the suboxone without withdrawaling but I truly need to. In the beginning before I started taking it, I was on oxycodone 30mg a day basically and the same thing happened -- I didn't want to withdrawal from the oxys so I got on suboxone. And I was extremely misinformed that suboxone helps you get off oxycodone and you have no withdrawals if you taper yourself off slowly. Obviously that's not true, because literally every forum i've read says they did the same thing and withdrew horribly. Suboxone is NOT a good drug no matter what people tell you, yeah it doesn't give you cravings to take opiates but the withdrawal from suboxone is extremely worse than from the opiates. So, I need to figure out a way to get off suboxones, and not withdrawal. I've heard that if I was to just quit subs right now and wait 36-48 hours and then take a oxycodone or any opiate for about a week or two and then quit taking that and withdrawal from that, that it would be so much easier because opiates give you less withdrawal symptoms than suboxone. So, basically my question is that --- If I did stop suboxone, and start back on the opiates and take the opiate for 2 weeks and then quit, would I be withdrawaling from both suboxone and opiates or would it just be the opiate withdrawal? (And please don't tell me that i'll get addicted to it again because I can't afford to and i'm so ready to be normal and sober that I would give anything for it.) But I refuse to withdrawal for a month or more from subs and have extreme painful withdrawal and suicidal thoughts and all that stuff. I need an answer... Someone tell me how I can do this. & that if I do start taking the opiates 48 hours after taking my last suboxone will I have absolutely any sub withdrawal? Or will it be gone from taking the opiates? And then when I stop the opiates will I be withdrawaling from subs and opiates or just opiates since the sub will be out of my system? I'm just extremely confused and I need an answer... FYI: Here's what i've been taking -- Suboxone 8mg, one a day, for 3 months.
I am not sure why some believe you can get off suboxone with short acting opiates in a short amount of time, but that is not how things work. Luckily you have only been on suboxone for a short amount of time, and not on a super high dose, I really am going to suggest you try and taper off of it. I came off of it without withdrawals with a slow taper, and I know of several others who have as well, but usually, just the people who have a bad experience tapering off of it post these stories. You rarely hear of those of us who taper off and are fine. You probably won't feel anything different when you do the taper until you get down to the 1 mg per day and less part of it. I didn't really feel anything except anxiety, which to be fair I have suffered from all my life and because I too believed those stories, I was anxious. Then I heard of a friend of mine from my subs group saying he was cold turkeyed off 40 mgs per day and it wasn't as bad as people said.
I do NOT suggest anyone do that. I also had a friend here named booter42 who told me he came off at 2mgs and it wasn't too bad, and that gave me hope. The reason that taking short acting opiates after being on a long acting replacement opiate will NOT work, if because the brain gets used to that long acting one, and You would be right back trying to take many short acting ones to take the edge off. Imagine it this way, there is a hurricane all around, with strong strong winds, and there is a diner stool with a sumo wrestler sitting on it, it will stay more stable with a sumo wrestler(suboxone) atop of it than it will with a toddler(short acting opiate like lortab or vicodin, even percocet sitting on it, even 3 or 4 toddlers) I know that sounds kinda goofy, but it is the best analogy I can come up with. If you will read my profile,(click my avatar) I give the taper schedule I used, and the tips I used, that got me off subs after 2 1/2 years without withdrawal. It can be done. There are quick tapers also, you can go thru the old posts on the subs group page here, and scan them for Robert_325's quick taper. It is basically a reduction by 25% of your dose as soon as you stabilize at a taper. I have also seen it say every 4 days, and 4 or 5 days after you stabilize, drop down by 25%. Now don't quote me on that, please scan the old posts to find the link or the info, or go to the forum part of this site and start a thread to him. One thing I observed is that you can drop a bit more in the beginning of a taper, as when you get to the very end, you might feel some anxiety, have some mild insomnia ( and there are ways to help with that) the higher the dose you are at, you won't feel it ( if you even will feel it) for 5 days, when you get to .25 mgs, you can feel the subs wear off at around 36 hour mark.The fear is the main thing that stops a subs taper and causes people to derail. It can be done successfully, Hang in there and best of Luck, you are in my Prayers, Pattishan ps I have now been off of it for almost 6 months with no problems and no relapses.
Hi. You sound just as scared as I am but I wonder if you are just reading about withdrawling from the suboxone and scaring yourself. Did you try to cut down a mg. every 3-4 days? You probably have 2 mg. pills? I was able to do that when I was on the suboxone for about 6-8 months and I was fine so I'm thinking you may be too! I think if you've been on it for more than a year is when you run into problems. I'm praying for you too. Larsy XX
Hi everyone. I'm new here and kinda stumbled onto this site when I googled "suboxone withdrawal". I had been taking 50mg. ultram for 8 years... up to 1250 mgs. a day. I decided I needed to quit and my doc suggested suboxone. I started with 24 mgs. a day, and put on 35 pounds in 60 days. I have never been over 110 lbs. in my 29 years... I'm 5'5. Then we moved out of state, where the laws about sub are different, and had none to take for almost 30 days. I went through the worst withdrawal I have ever experienced in my life, (I was a heroin addict years ago, and tried to quit ultram many times). So I found one of those outpatient D&A places, where they don't accept insurance and you have to pay ALOT for every visit, but it was worth it in my mind to get more subs. (I had lost 10 lbs during those 30 edays... the weight was literally FALLING off).
So now I've been back on suboxone, 8 mgs., for 2 months, and I'm back up to 145 lbs. I joined a gym and work out intensly 5 days a week, but the weight isn't going anywhere. It has me so depressed that I now sleep with clothes on, have sex with my shirt on, I am SO disgusted with the way I look. I know that ultimately, suboxone is just postponing the inevitable, but my doc wants to keep me on indefinately. However, I'm afraid that I'll never be able to "live" life without any kind of medication to "tone down" reality. I tried to take ultram again, and they have no affect on me anymore. They actually made me feel worse during those 30 days without subs... But this weight has got to go and I'm afraid the only way I can get it off is to quit the subs! Major Dillemma!!! So, how should I taper and feel the least withdrawal possible, (i have a professional job and can't go through terrible w/d's at work), is there anything I can do to drop the weight and stay on subs, (still doing heavy exercising 5 times a week), and will the ultram ever do what it did for me before? If so, why did it make me feel worse when I was w/d from the subs? Thanks everyone... sorry to ramble.
I just want to point out that I disagree with your post that suboxone is not a good drug. It has saved my life! Of course it has side effects like anything else, but if used properly I think its wonderful. I was spending 100.00+ a day on my opiate addiction (tramadol, percs, oxys, vicodon)... my life was going in a fast downward spiral... I started subs 4 months ago and have been slowly tapering. Im down to 4mg day. Everytime I taper there is no withdrawl so far. I think if you taper slow enough that you will be fine. There are people on all kinds of opiates and suboxone has saved them. If it wasnt for suboxone I would be living on the streets. Im hoping at the end of my taper there is minumum withdrawl, but this drug has really helped me and saved me!!! Even if there is some withdrawl at the end, its better than the way my life was going.
Due to my self control issues, like all addicts have, I truley couldnt have done it without suboxne. I just want to put my experience out there for other people to see that are deciding to take it or not. :)
You CANNOT get off Suboxone without withdrawing PROPERLY unless you want to risk seizures and being sick mentally and physically for up to 3 weeks with flu symptoms 5x's worse, and thats NO JOKE. I tried it. You NEED to SLOWLY WEEN OFF THIS DRUG. And I mean SLOWLY. Please do not try to just stop taking it.
not one person answered this question.. she didnt ask for a debate on suboxone. I'm commenting because i too am in the same situation and need an answer. I'm very educated on my addiction and suboxone, so i dont need any advice about it, just need to know what a good regimen of opiates would be for getting off suboxone.. please and thank you.
ruthebro- can you give me a brief description of how you did your taper? I've been addicted to opiates, oxycontin and oxycodone 30s specifically, for 2 years up until 2 months ago when i started taking suboxone(illegally). I take between 4-8mg per day. Last sunday i took 4 mg and didnt take another dose until tuesday and then again on wednesday which was 8mg total. i then did not take another dose of 4mg up until an hour ago, as the withdrawls were too unbearable. So i made it 6 days, and in a nine day span only took 8mg. Usually i can just stick it out and make it through the WDs but right now i have too many responsibilities and cannot endure 2 weeks of sub withdrawl. I've been through it one time before and at exactly two weeks felt completely better. literally day 13 i was withdrawling and then day 14 felt so much relief. So if you could it would help a lot to know how you did your taper. I'm in good shape and during withdrawls i work out which helps.
I have a high threshhold for pain so im not expecting it to be painless, just bearable... Thanks a lot, i really appreciate it.
I was taking 200 mg of oxycodone a day for a little over a year. I quit cold turkey on jan 31st and made it 20 days before I gave in and took 1 10mg Percocet . After the first 5 days of feeling like I had the flu and that impending doom feeling the next 15 days was a lot of anxiety and ok sleep. That 1 Percocet led me back to oxy and within 2 weeks I was back up to around 120 mgs. I stopped again on feb 26th and decided to try this sub taper. I waited 18 hours after my last oxy dose the took only a half a mg of sub around 6 am. I felt ok for 4-5 hours then took another half. By the end of the day I was able to get by and feel ok on only 2mgs total. So I took the 2mgs for 3 more days taking half around 6 am and the other around 3. After the 4 days I cut down to 1.5 a day for another 4 days again breaking that dose in half. Then down to 1mg/ 4 days then .75 / 4 days then .50/ 4 days. Still taking half in the morning and half in the afternoon.
Then I dropped to .25 once per day(took in the morning) for 4 days. After that I skipped a day then took .25 then I skipped 2 days took .25 then skipped 3 same thing . Then I quit. The most withdrawl I felt the whole Time was a little bit of anxiety and some mornings Id wake up soaked. No impending doom feeling at all. I also tried to walk at least 1 mile per day and took a multivitamin and vitamin b. after a week or so after stopping the subs I felt pretty close to 100 percent. Most people on these boards have a hard time coming off because they were mislead by their doctors and were on ridiculously high doses for a long time so it had built up in their systems. No horror stories here. Just put in the work and don't cheat with your doses or youll only hurt yourself. If I could do it , anyone could. Oh and I'm not a dr. Just wanted to share my experience with suboxone
Ok folks here is my honest to God Story! I had to take opiates for an immune disorder that attacked my muscles for six years. My Dr. prescribed 240 oxycodone, 180 Norco and 15 Fentynyl patches per month and the numbers increased regularly. I discovered a juice that actually cured the immune disorder, but I was left with the opiate addiction. Yes, my body was addicted! This same Dr. took the course for Suboxone just for me and started me on it. Long story short... after taking only 1/8th of a pill per day for over four years, I decided it was time to see if the pain from the immune disorder was completely gone. For one week I reduced the Suboxone dosage to 1/16 of a pill and then just stopped. In hindsight I would have taken this reduced dosage for two weeks. Since I do not have an addictive personality, I was able to use Loritab to ease the withdrawal symptoms. Loritab will not work for at least four days so be prepared to have the worst flu in your life.
Loritab (1/2 pill once to twice daily) will help with the restless legs and sleep. Unfortunately, your opiate receptors will be thrilled to have opiates again, but I was desperate for sleep. There is much more I can share, but I want to keep to answering the question.
I am now tapering down after a year and a half. I am currently on 8mg (film strips) not the pills. I take 2 of them a day. I cut them in half and take in morning, afternoon, dinner-time, and before bed. I remember when I first began taking them over a year ago... They made me feel so good that I was taking more than I should have been taking, and i'd run out about 2 weeks early sometimes... And I went ballistic. I was sweating like a pig. I couldn't eat. I couldn't sleep, and I really mean that, I got maybe 2 hours of broken sleep a night, thats it. So please guys, take as prescribed, I learned my lesson well and now follow it to a t. You will succeed in tapering. It won't be hard. Do not listen to some stories that scare you. Trust me please, it won't be that hard. Just follow exactly what the dr. Says and you will be fine. I do have to say that I gained about 40-50lbs from taking this stuff, and after you take it, you sweat like a pig.
So what you really gotta do to let it work right is take it, sit comfortably in front of a fan blowing right at you, and either take a 20-30 minute nap, or read a newspaper. Thats the best way to let it work. You must be calm when taking it or it wont work. We all have different ways of dealing with this I see from different comments, so Im sure some will agree and totally disagree with me but thats ok, because thats life. I'm not a dr. So don't listen to my advice without consulting your dr. First. Im just here to give my story. But remember, suboxone doesn't come to and end ever. If you need it you can always tell your dr. And he can keep you on it, or at a certain dose for a longer period of time. It will never just go away. You can always tell your dr. You believe you still need it. Or need at least a smaller dose to get through the days of maybe feeling withdrawal. Trust me on this one. But remember, this is all our own faults why we are on this. We did this to ourselves. We dug our graves, now lets fill them in with dirt and go back to living a normal life. That's all I want. A normal life. No pills, no drinking, smoking, absolutely nothing. It's going to happen, I have faith in myself and more importantly, god above. That's my belief. Good luck to all here and if you ever need to talk about anything I will always be willing to talk about it. Have a good day all and remember, it will pass. All it takes is time. God bless you all. You are not alone!!! Remember that!!!
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