m.coniker...Hey guys! I will start off by saying that I have been using opiates for about 3 years now. It started with vikes..then perks..then methadone and now I am a mess. My whole life has been ruined. Before the methadone I was taking 5 percocet 10mg at a time and it wasnt even giving me a buzz (This is also after being on percocet for over a year). I am a 22 year old girl and I only weigh about 120lbs... My tolerance was sky high. What made me hit rock bottom was when I got a hold of a bunch of methadone and started using that because it made me feel normal... i was taking 10-20 10mg methadone a day for the last 6-8 months. Last thurs I ran out of methadone and was using percocet to get through the withdrawals. Finally enough was enough and I got a hold of this AMAZING suboxone dr. I had my induction on Tues..but the problem was I took 5 15 mg roxies at 4 am before my induction. When I got my first 8mg dose of Sub I immediately went into precipitated (?sp?) withdrawal for about an hr... then I started to feel a little more comfortable. The comfortable feeling didnt last so I took another 8mg pill later that night. Tuesday night was the worst night of my life I did not sleep a wink I had the worst wd pains the RLS..the hot and cold flashes that run through ur body and make u feel awful and of course the diarrhea and the stomach pain (and anxiety feeling) right above my belly button. On wed my dr increased my sub to 3x a day (8mg) slowly by taking halves. STILL NO RELIEF? I slept last night maybe for 2 hrs at best and I am completely miserable. I took my sub this morning and still I am uncomfortable and miserable and I cant even take anything to relieve my twitchy legs or my anxiety belly pains or the INTENSE hot and cold flashes. I have even considered suicide (I also suffer from bipolar)..I can't do this anymore. Does anyone have any good advice? I need help before I do something that I can't take back. No one in my life understands how hard it is to feel these symptoms CONSTANTLY for days on end while I can't sleep or barely sit down. My dr will be calling me today to see how the 3X a day is doing..and I have my second appt tomorrow... but I am just not hopeful. To top things off my fiance who was my partner in crime with using..he is feeling completely normal from 2 8mg a day. He sleeps and isn't suffering at all. I am hysterically crying right now bc I can't deal anymore. PLEASE HELP!!! thank u!!
PLEASE HELP! Going through wds... and on suboxone?
- Posted:
- 12 Aug 2010 by m.coniker403
- Topics:
- suboxone, opiate dependence, opiate withdrawal, pain, methadone
Responses (32)
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dmlady12 Aug 2010
please do me a favore, I have been there before and can relate to EVERYTHING you are saying. I am begging you to call your doc and tell him/ her exactly what you just said. better yet print this out of what you wrote. Any compassionate Dr is not going to let you do something that will be regretted later especially when they were told. They are not allowed to let you go ahead and do nothing in case it comes back to find out they knew what was happenning. they have to help in some way, which I dont know what but all I know they cannot just let you go ahead and let you try to take care of it on your own. I am he e for you. My story is long and would love to share it however I just had surgergy on my right hand and having a hard time typing plz scuse typos.
I will add you as a friend and hopefully I can help in some way to make things a bit easier . been there many times and done it.
dmlady
12 Aug 2010
I know the feeling you need to tell your doc they have to liten by law.I was in the hospital in march and they began weaning me and I did not recall this but I suposably said let me go home I can take all my meds and be out of pan. next I knew they had to bring in a private nurse to stay in my room 24/7 since I suposably according to her said I was gonna kill myself, and she said she would have been responsible since she heard it from me.
please let me know how things go
Dmlady
m.coniker403
12 Aug 2010
I am so sorry that you had to go through that... its the worst feeling in the world! I talk to my dr (and he is amazing) but all he does is tell me to take another half of a pill..and I am STILL getting no relief! I am trying so hard to not go back to my old ways but somethings gotta give. Thanks for ur support and I hope u find a way to be out of pain.
-Melissa
christine...12 Aug 2010
I think it was the roxies that messed you up. The next few days are gonna be tough on you but don't check out on us OR give in to the opiates! You are lucky to have such a good sub doc. As a matter of fact, as sweetlemon suggested, I would print out this page and bring it with you to your appt. It clearly explains the misery you are in and will help your doc better understand. Hang in there. We are all pulling for you. Do you have access to a hot tub? Whirlpool? If anything, soak in hot bath for the RLS. And since your fiance is feeling ok, ask him for a deep muscle massage on your legs with warm oils. Especially the thighs, calves, and feet. Even the butt massage will help! Don't laugh, it's so true. Also ask your sub doc if there is another med you can take with the sub to help relieve some of these nasty symptoms you are having. I honestly feel your pain. More than you could know.
Hang in there M and let your doc know everything going on.
My best wishes,
Chris
m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
I think you are 100% right..the roxies are what screwed me up! i am feeling better because my dr switched me to subutex but it took a couple of days on that to get where I am today. I honestly DO NOT have any idea how i got through this because i really thought that I was going to use bc NOTHING was making me feel better. I laid in a bath and that def helped with the RLS... my fiance didn't do the massage..we have been butting heads bc he is just in such a different place than I am and he really doesn't get it =[ He was feeling just about 100% after 24hrs..and it has been almost 7 days and I am still fighting some terrible feelings =[
But your support is really helpful and I truly appreciate it!! Keep in touch!
-Melissa
huckleber... m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
thank you so much... you are right..it didn't happen overnight so I cant expect to feel better overnight!! i am def feeling a lot better but I am still not feeling 100%... i got switched over to subutex because the suboxone was not working as well and about 48 hrs after starting that I started feeling better. i am def going crazy feeling like I have no one to talk to so coming on here definitely lifts my spirits. I hope you are doing well too and please keep in touch!
mich1012 Aug 2010
hey coniker403 I have ha that same prec. withdrawl that makes you feel like yur gonna die I went thru it for a couple days, no muscle ontrol jerkin like crazy i mean the worst thing ive ever expirienced im on subs now 24mg i feel a little spaed out actually a lot but the sick wds r gone hope you are feeling better I gaurantee it will get better..stay on the rightgeous path good luck
m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
thanks so much! you are so right I am def feeling a lot better but still have side effects from the meds and some lingering wd. I hope you stay strong too and if u ever need anyone to talk to please don't hesitate! thank u for your support!
subuser3112 Aug 2010
Talk about some amazing strength and advice from some kind peeps. I agree. It is the hardest first week ever and before long it is looking back as if, ya I could eat a 40mg oxy and clean house and be fine, now if I ate a 20 I'd pass out and be toast. It gives you a different perspective when someone else has to go thru it also. It is hard to be strong when it is a weakness in itself. The mind is a powerful thing and for some reason I allowed mine to overcome the struggle. I didnt think I would live to tell about it, shakes and misery wanting the stupid nights to go by faster. It IS ALL WORTH IT IN THE END I PROMISE. You will look back and see the post and think oh look and I am five months off of the opiods. Or in my case~ 9months... you can do it!!Best wishes to you and a quick detox... chat me if you need any support!!!
Anonymous 12 Aug 2010
subuser31, Very well said! 'Tis 11 months for me, off of prescribed OxyContin... thought i was gonna die during WD!!!
Now life is grand... again! Who knew?
sweetlemon
m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
this makes me feel amazing because you went through the same thing andnow your doing SOO well!! That is awesome and I cannot wait to be in your shoes..9months clean... congrats to you!!! please keep in touch!
13 Aug 2010
Sounds like you are taking too much! Thats why your fiance' is feeling ok.
I kicked a massive habit started on 2, 8mg. a day. on day 3 I dropped to 1/2 a pill 2 times a day. methocarbamol is great for twitch and RLS! Try much less. It couldn't hurt. It worked for my friends too.
m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
no its not that i am taking too much its just that sometimes suboxone doesn't work as well as subutex does for some people. I will be dropping down this week but the 3x a day really did help once i switched over to the subtext!! everyone is different and of course as with everything else things just seem to be harder for me..lol!
stopthepain
20 Feb 2011
I agree that some people's body can handle subutex better than suboxone! I have been on suboxone for over a year from a gram a day 'H' habit and have NEVER felt relief! I had a friend on Subutex-she gave me some and it really did help. I have had to suffer thru being on suboxone because my doc refused to switch me to subutex. I have been in such pain over the past year that I pushed my way down to a crumb of the suboxone a day. Hopefully I will be off it very soon!
Everyone is different and there is a reason Subutex is on the market!
Best wishes!!
16 Aug 2010
First, you have NOT ruined your life!!! You can turn it around, I've just given up heroin after 21years, YES, years on it. Ok, I never fixed, but I've been every bit an addict all that time. I agree with others bout NA & AA... if it works for you , fine, but I think this site can prob help you more. One thing that helps me is just knowing that we're all fighting the same demons, & we've got to help each other. I'm only 8 days on subbies, so not up to writing too much yet, but I'll keep an eye on you! Love, hugs, & loads o luck.xxx
m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
Thank you so much! It is really inspiring to hear that I am not the only one... and that there ARE other people out there who have gotten through or it or are going through it. I really appreciate your kind words. How are u feeling after 8 days on sub? Do u feel 100% relief or no? I hate to say it but I am 6 days on sub... I actually got changed to subtext on friday... which started helping more but I am still feeling crappy. I wish u all the luck in the world..and if you ever need anyone to talk to please feel free to contact me. Thanks again!
cleanzgood
4 Mar 2011
I am new here and hope I haven't offended anyone with my references to any 12 step program of recovery. If I have, I apologize. This site feels like a meeting to me, and that is a good thing but I never meant to preach. Nobody can help an addict better than another addict. I will be more careful about mentioning sensitive material. I was on benzos for decades, and add oxycodone in 2005 through Christmas Eve, 2010. That's a ton of chemistry going on. All of it was prescribed by a pain management doctor following surgeries (3) for scoliosis. I had no medical support throughout my withdrawal. It was like the doctor lost her meal ticket and she dropped me like 3rd period french! As long as I was taking narcotics I was a "good" patient, deserving of her attention. My son announced I was to be a grandma in April 2011 and I gave myself the gift of being clean so that baby would never see me impaired.
16 Aug 2010
forgot to add babe, for some reason, (prob cos they'll never go thru childbirth!!), guys always seem to have an easier time than us; I do beleive there is a medical reason for this, just don't expect him to have the same experiences as you/us... it really is true, I got sick to death of guys saying, stop moaning, I'M OK!! we're all different, we're all facing our own demons. You know what, I have a daughter your age, thank the lord she's seen the mess I made, & will never touch drugs, it's prob made her hard, I'm not getting the support I'd wish for, but hell, she didn't ask to be mine, she's not my mum! As long as you ask for support, "F" the pro's... the only pro's are us, cos we bought the Tshirt...
m.coniker403
16 Aug 2010
I hate that things are ALWAYS so much easier for him.. i love him to death but sometimes I cant handle how easy going everything is for him. Everything always seems harder for me..ALWAYS! And this is no exception.. I have been through hell and back while he is sleeping like a baby next to me..or during the day he keep telling me how great he feels mentally and physically and how this is a new start and he is extremely happy..and i m glad he is but its hard to hear over and over again when your feeling horrible mentally and physically! i just wish i could be on the same level. But it feels good to have someone supporting me like you! please keep in touch because I def could use someone to talk to and I know you can to.
cleanzgood
5 Mar 2011
I hear you about the comp skills. Me too. Things get better everyday. I might even sleep tonight. Little things are important. Thanks for the positive energy.
Wastedyou...21 Aug 2010
likely the roxy for sure. you CAN NOT mix the two. you have to be well into withdrawal 18 to 24 hours at minimum before you begin the subutex or suboxon and you cant mix anything after you begin them or you will get an accellortated and stronger withdrawal experience as your having. immediate relief is hard to come by but keep liquids in your system, try something to help you sleep through it. ambian or whatever, and dont mix the two ever again. it is instant death feeling. ive been there. keeping your room dark may help to with light sensitivity. sometimes raising your dosageof SX does not help, it makes it worse. its not like the roxy or whatever where if a few is good a few more is better. the goal is to find the dose to ease your wd and not to go above that thinking it will help. it likely wont. it will likely make you feel worse. then you have to worry about how to ween off of it.
earthchild23 Aug 2010
I came upon this message 1 week after you posted it. The advice someone posted for you was exactly right. I hope you're still hanging in there. I am 33 and I've been on almost every type of opiate there is for Juvenile Rheumatiod Arthrirtis, Osteoporosis, Neuropathy, Fibromyalgia, etc, etc... I have been abusing opiates since I was a young teen. The withdrawl symptoms you described, I totally understand. The, can't sit still, can't eat' can't sleep, hot flashes, the runs and the chills. Your pain multiplies by 10 and your anxiety skyrockets. I am in the process of trying to straighten out my life. I live in a Nursing Home so it makes doing the right thing extra hard. Unfortunately my doctor's don't want to work with me. So much so that I'm looking to be transfered to a different facility. I have a medical need for pain control but teaching myself to deal with the pain instead of popping another pill is the problem. You're more than welcome to get in contact with me if you need someone who understands to talk to.
13 Nov 2010
Ugh, your words take me back... The thing that makes me really sad in your story is where you say that your whole life has been ruined. You are really, really young. You are taking a big step which is getting stable. You cannot do much in life when your running around chasing your next fix and letting all the other things fall apart. Listen, I felt just like you when I quit drinking, not physically but mentally. Everyone hated me, or so I thought. Nobody trusted me or believed I could keep away from the alcohol. Meetings saved my soul. Nobody judged me there. It felt like I had been given a dose of something very powerful, even though I only had coffee and a cookie. I think it was a dose of empathy and fellowship. I leaned on those women until I suddenly noticed it had been 30 days, then 60 days, then 90 days, etc. that I hadn't touched booze. My family and 'normal' friends starting believing in me and it turns out they did love me all along.
Anonymous 13 Nov 2010
littletortoise,
That was beautifully put!
sweetlemon
19 Nov 2010
I also was on percocet 10mg for 4 years and it took over my life,friends,family and my 3 children. I was always scared that my children would find me dead in the bed from an overdose. I would wake up in the middle of the night and had to catch my breath. The pills took over my life & took all my money and families money. When I ran out of pills I did not care who I hurt nor did I care about anything but getting pills for my fix. My daughter takes ADHD meds and one morning when I was giving her her ADHD meds she looked at me and said look mom I take pills just like you, I about died when she told me that and I did not want her to turn out like me. My oldest son is 13 and he told me that he hated that I am on pills and told me I was going to die. My youngest boy is to young to understand what was going on. Thats when I hit rock bottom and I found a website about suboxone and filied out my info and I had about 6 doctors who contact me by email and thats where I found my doctor.
krat
9 May 2011
WOW, touching sad and unfortunitly I can really relate. Esp, about your kids, I have ben on "H" and all the other O-Pills for years about (15) total the worst was when my child @ about 3 was making a "Line" with surgar she said "like daddy does". (W/the "H") I never thought she knew but goes to show kids know a lot more then we may think. well good news, I was able to get off the "H" by taking VICODIN. Anyway, as for the SUBOXONE I started that about 5 yrs ago, after my continue use of vics, then perc, one SUB per day and Everything seemed great, costly but I fealt like... I was no longer an addict. Then the dr's. (Had to change) think he may have got "Busted">?< anyway, the doctors seemed more & more like my old "Pushers" sometimes worst b/c with dr. No Credit.
Brendam77
15 Jun 2011
This is what scares me too!!
I am very worried. I got appt for sub dr on 20th to be inducted 21st. I am weaning down but nurse told me I only need to be in 24 hrs of Wds. Like from the time of my appt from 930am the 20th to induction 830am the 21st. Every other dr I've talked to say Wds for 3 days. I'm scared this experience will go bad getting started from what im hearing. I'm going to follow it through but im confused why some Drs say 3 days and some 24 hrs. I heard timing is the difference between a good and bad experience. I'm still recovering from hysterectomy, but I have to do this NOW and build my life back up!! Please give me some advice. I have to do this right!!
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Thank you for your support... I told the dr everything and he was absolutely amazing and supportive! he changed me to subutex which actually helped a lot more within 24 hours. I am slowly but surely getting there but it is so hard bc when i feel shitty I just want to use to feel better... BUT i haven't and I am very proud of that. Thanks again!
So glad to know you are doing well!
OK! Its a start... DON'T get any idea's about mis-using them either... otherwise people who really need them dont get them prescribed cuz the doc's worried about people using them the wrong way. hang in there!
the reason i started using because i was prescribed them for a fracture in my neck..so i wasn't the person who just went out buying them off the street! i wouldn't have even tired them if it wasn't for my doctor who writes scripts that are too strong for ur ailment. i am not going to use i was just expressing that when i feel this lousy and the pains that i have it makes me want to use to feel better but I am not. I abused them and I admit that but I am not doing anything like doctor shopping or anything to make drs second guess me. I kept my addiction to myself until i came on here and when I went to my sub dr, i am really not a bad person.
Hang in there! I had a very difficult time with my induction. I had been using heroin, dilaudid, oxycodone and abusing methadone. I was miserable for 3 days until my MD got me to the correct dosage. I take 6mg Suboxone a day. Almost ready to lower my dose, which will be slowly. Take it day by day and you will feel like a new person soon... good luck
keep on keeping on I am so thankful sweetlemom was able to help just keep us informed
I was the slave to a gram a day 'H' habit and used methadone for years as well. I went to suboxone and have NEVER felt relief! I've just suffered thru it cause my sub doc wouldn't put me on subutex. I'm so glad your doc is a GOOD one! When I read what you wrote I could totally relate because I have suffered the same WD's for the past year. I am now down to literally a crumb a day and hope that with in the next few weeks I will be able to ween myself down to nothing. I feel so much better than I did when I was taking the 3-8mgs a day, but still have an edgy and cold feeling when I take it. After a few hours the edginess and cold feeling fade, but it's NO way to live. I just would urge you to continue to have open communications with your doctor and ween down-push thru when your strong.
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My insurance ended a month ago and so I am doing this last leg without my doc, not that I mind cause she was not very supportive. I would have changed docs but I live in a small town and there is only one doc that will give subs.
Best wishes and hang in there!
I'm really sorry to hear what you went through i know exactly what you mean it happens to me every time i start this stuff. I want to be on the subox so bad but it throws me into such withdraw i run back to the drugs. Anyway you are thru the worst i'm happy for you.
I was on Subutex (related to suboxone but straight Buprenorphone), for almost 6 years.
I went off about 10 days ago and feel sub-human. I empathize and sympathize with you. I am there.
It is hard, and a long road, so I've been told.
Day by day, which is hard when life doesn't always allows you to be in the present.
My heart is with you.
God bless,
Max-Thor
Hi maximus,
You might want to post your own question so you get the attention you need and deserve!! If you are having any problems there are many Subox/subutex ppl here to help you. Tis a Saturday night, so some are not online at the mo, but will be tomorrow!! So feel free to post your own Q if you need help!!
Best wishes and welcome if you are new to this site,