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How I successfully got off methadone and oxycodone
How I successfully got off methadone and oxycodone
To People of the Forum,
I am writing in the hopes that I can help other people who, one way or another, got addicted and dependent on opiates. I began taking oxycodone and methadone after being prescribed it by my pain management doctor in Florida back in mid-2008. After a while, I began developing a tolerance to them and eventually, no matter how much I would take, I could not and would not get even remotely high from taking them. There was no euphoria whatsoever anymore, and that's still true to this day; additionally, they didn't help much with the pain. However, I was still forced to take them because of the withdrawals I would go through when I wasn't on them, which I'm sure most of you are familiar with. I would HAVE to take them in order to feel normal, so it just became a daily part of my life. Most of the time, however, I wouldn't take methadone or oxycodone together; I would basically rotate between the two, taking one of them for two weeks, and then taking the other for the other two weeks. As long as I was taking one of them, I wouldn't go through withdrawals. Additionally, I began to develop a liking for snorting them. The oxycodones were easy to snort and gave me this non-euphoric rush through my nose. Methadones burned a bit at first when I snorted them, but I began to enjoy that too. My enjoyment for snorting these drugs was 50% of the reason why I did them (the other 50% being my utter fear of withdrawals).
I got off of them successfully in 2009 using a certain method (and unfortunately got back on them a few weeks later after getting another kidney stone), and I've gotten off of them again in the past few weeks using this same method: basically, I went from taking methadone to only taking oxycodone. After the methadone was almost out of my system (after 3-4 weeks of taking only oxycodone), I would taper off of the oxycodone until I was only taking 60-100mg per day (as opposed to the 300+mg per day I would normally take). Then on the last day, I only took about 60-75mg worth of oxycodone, and I was already going through mild-to-moderate withdrawals in just a few hours. After talking to a number of suboxone doctors (in past months and years), many said that methadone was a "messy" drug and to try not to take any in the days leading up to taking suboxone. Going from oxycodone to suboxone was MUCH easier and pleasant than going from methadone to suboxone (I know this from experience because the first time I ever tried taking suboxone I didn't use this method and was taking only methadone; I had not taken methadone for more than 36 hours, but I went through extreme precipitated withdrawals after my induction to suboxone anyway [which was a brutal and morbid experience], and eventually I was given oxycodone by the doctor to bring me back to normal). As long as you are on a good dosage of oxycodone, you will not go through any methadone withdrawals - I'm sure of this from experience.
So 9 days ago (Friday, May 21st) was the last time I took any oxycodone. By that night I was going through the moderate withdrawals I mentioned earlier. I wanted to go for as long as I possibly could through those withdrawals before taking the suboxone. So I went through the moderate withdrawals until the following night, Saturday, when at about 11:15pm (or 30+ hours since my last oxycodone) I took the suboxone. I took a few of the 8mg tablets about 30 min apart from each other, and it took about 2 hours for the withdrawals to fully go away. It's important to note that SOME remnants still lingered around in the first 24 hours after taking suboxone (at least for me they did, for others I've heard that they were 100% fine), but they weren't anywhere nearly as harsh as the normal withdrawals, just a few chills and what not from time to time. However, after about 24-30 hours after the initial induction, I took an additional 4mg tablet and by the next day I virtually felt fine.
However, the whole point was that I would ONLY be on suboxone for *NO* more than 7-12 days, and while I was taking it I would be tapering myself off of it the entire time. One thing that I'm almost sure about from experience is that TWO MILLIGRAMS OF SUBOXONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EFFECT AS 8MG or 12MG OF SUBOXONE; you do NOT NEED TO TAKE a full dosage in order for it to work effectively and for the entire day (at least this is true for me, it may be different for others). So if you want to be fully off of all opiates/pills/whatever, as I do, then while taking suboxone, be sure to taper yourself off of it while you're on it. For example, the first day (the induction) I took probably 16-24mg, but in the 1-4 days after that, I took no more than 4mg about 24-30 hours apart from each other. Suboxone has a half-life of 24-37hours (from what I've heard from others - I have not had this independently confirmed by a doctor, but from my experience this seems certainly accurate) so you do not NEED to take suboxone every morning or every evening at the same time. If you wish to simply use suboxone as a means of successfully getting opiates, then do a minimal dosage about 24-36 hours apart from each other - or however long you can go. This has worked perfectly for me, and I feel fine after taking 2mg (or less) of suboxone after going 30hours without taking it.
Another thing that helped me and I think can help others is smoking marijuana while going into the mild-to-moderate withdrawals for the first time. For whatever reason, smoking marijuana seems to lessen the withdrawals and alters my psychological state into not wanting to do any pills. I've heard from others that combining the two (suboxone and marijuana) provide a great synergy. Then, in the final days when you're getting off the suboxone and taking <2mg, try to smoke weed throughout those last few days. I firmly believe that this helps a lot.
So basically, to put it in a nutshell, if you're on a methadone and would like to get off of it, then I would suggest you stop taking methadone and begin taking oxycodone regularly for about 3-5 weeks, until you feel the methadone is out of your system. If you are not familiar with oxycodone and don't know how many you should take after getting off the methadone, I would suggest just taking 1 pill at a time until you feel normal (if you can't get them from a doctor, then perhaps you can try to get them elsewhere). After you've been off of methadone and have been taking oxycodone for 3-5 weeks, start to taper off of oxycodone until you're on a minimal dosage. (If you have never taken methadone and only take oxycodone, then you can ignore these last few sentences and just pay attention to the rest). Then, after your last dosage of oxycodone, go as long as you think you can, try and endure the mild-to-moderate withdrawals for as many hours as you can, and then take the suboxone (an 8mg tablet is the average induction dose, but for people with very high tolerances to oxycodone such as myself, you may need to take more; I took at least 16-24mg, but that was ONLY during the induction. In the days after, I took no more than 4mg each time). As I said, the whole point is to taper yourself off of the suboxone so that your body DOES NOT get dependent on it as it did with methadone, oxycodone, or whatever else. That's why I believe that going no more than 7-12 days on it, while progressively tapering yourself off of it throughout that time, is the right thing to do.
I am on practically the last day or two of being on suboxone, and have been taking <2mg on each of my last doses (which were about 30 hours apart each). I feel good in the sense that I'm off of oxycodone/methadone, but in terms of the side effects of suboxone, I do feel a bit lazy and somewhat abnormal to a degree - the feeling is hard to describe. One part of me (the good part) is telling me NOT to go back to my pain management doctor (whose appointment I have within a day) and get a refill on oxycodone, which would render everything I've done in the past few weeks useless and pointless. On the other hand, the dependent side of me (the bad part) is trying to justify to myself that going back on it, on a steady daily dose, would make me feel normal again.
Your advice and counsel from board members would certainly be appreciated. The ironic part is that I use to bash my friends for doing pills and chastise them. Then one ex-gf gave me a percocet while I had a mean sore throat, and I took them for a few days, and hanging out with her opened up me to it. Then I moved down to Florida, and well, you guys can figure out the rest from there.
Your words and advice in discouraging me from going back to the scheduled appointment I have with my pain management doctor could really help me a lot. It's just that bad part of me, the dependent part of me, which is telling myself that I should just take them the way they're prescribed just so I could feel normal again. As of right now, I do feel normal for the most part, just lazier than normal, but that could be just because I'm still on a very low dosage (<2mg) of suboxone, and perhaps that will go away when I'm completely off of them.
I genuinely wish the best of luck to each and every one of you. Please don't hesitate to post your experiences, whether they be similar or not, as each one of us has the power to help another.
I hope you didn't get that refill!
Look how far you've come.
Please let us know wht's going on!
Joey where did you go? I wanted to hear how the rest of your story turned out. I hope your are CLEAN & sober. I am in a similair situation as well. Going from methadone to oxy to subs. I wud luv to hear more:-)
It is nott impossible to go directly from methadone to sub. Joey wentt into precipitated withdrawal because he only went 36 hours before starting the sub. Methadone has a very long half life and you need to be off them approximatelly 72 hours before taking sub or you WILL go into precip. w/d. Also, you need to be down to at least 30 mg. methadone before making the switch. I was on methadone for many years, tapered down to 25 mgs., waiting 72 hours before the sub induction, and I was perfectly fine. In addition, in my opinion, taking "a few" 8 mg. subs is way to much, even at the beginning. Most people don't need more than 8 mgs. to start.
I need to find this out as fast as possible
because of the half life of different opiates, in my case roxicodone, how severe of with drawl do you have to be in not to suffer a reaction to suboxone...... 12 hours and I can't almost tolerate the withdrawls..... I was up to 300mg of roxi/day, and started feeling withdrawls in 5 hours.even at 12 hours I almost couldn't tolerate it. I also know that I still had a lot of roxi still in my system. I am now down to 90mg of roxi and feel sick the whole day.... I did a quick taper from 300 to 90 in 2 days, so you can see why I am sick even on 90mg.... but at 12 hours of no roxi and feeling terrible do you think I would have a severe or any reaction at all? what if I started at 2mg of suboxone. My only experience before was suboxone and >>>>>>.... I could almost be in no withdrawls with >>>>>> and take suboxone and had no reaction.....but never have done roxis till a year ago after severe broken leg and never got off them... first used them for pain and then after years clean and in recovery,when I broke my leg and arm, I took my first roxi.....so I don't know if the length of time you have to be in withdrawl from roxis >> >>>>>> makes a difference in the reaction one will get from suboxone and the time I have to wait.... I am such a withdraw ??, the fear and depression over this issue has made me think of taking 100 roxis as I had the greatest life and now at 56 I don't care if I live another 20 or 2 years due to the destruction that drugs and the amount of loved ones that have died during the last 10 years..brother, mother, daughter,and 8 other close family members in 10 years... Please someone tell me if I am sick as I can handle in 12-14 hours can I do suboxone without the reaction of worse withdrawls.
Bless you all and I desparate.
Last edited by ddcmod; 11-08-2010 at 10:10 PM.
While >>>>>> and roxi are both short acting narcotics, you still have to be careful not to put yourself into precipitatted withdrawal. Just because it worked with >>>>>>, doesn't mean you can'tt take it too soon this time and pay the price. There is something called the COWS worksheet. You can google it. You answer the questions to determine where you are clinically in withdrawal. When you hit the number 26, youre able to start the sub.
Quitting methadone? Forget suboxone Try Gabapetin!
Without a doubt this drug has saved my life!
I have been on methadone for over 7 years at 80mg. I was taking it for a tumor in my lower back. i had radiation last year and it seriously decreased my pain but I was addicted to the drug by then. I would go into debilitating w/ds after a few hours without methadone. I was trying to get into detox because I was out of medicine. Believe it or not some detox facilities would not even consider taking me because of the methadone. They said detox from methadone even with supervision is extremely dangerous and if I try to detox on my own I was risking my life. I found one center that would accept me but I have no ability to pay being out of work in this economy. Luckily I had some old gabapetin from when they tried to treat my pain with no success. To my amazement I have gone nearly 24 hours with no methadone and NO WITHDRAWAL symptoms. I mean none, nothing, nada. It is nothing short of a miracle. I will gladly take withdrawal from gabapetin over methadone any day. I urge other patients to talk with their doctor if this could work for them instead of crazy suboxone bs which is just another money scam by a pharmacutical company. Gabapetin is a wonder! In case you are wondering the dose of gabapetin is 800mg, i know it is high but there is not much side effect but pretty sleepy which you will do when detoxing anyway.
Just please talk to your doctor first as everyone is different. I just thought people should know the possibility because I was at rock bottom and ready to give up.
oh my GOD you are way too complicated for me right now I just wanted to know if I could come off of oxycodone 20 mg/4x/day straight to methadone 5mg/?/day and you infultrated me with TMI (toooo much info)...
I am currently on oxycontin 60mg long acting AND 20mg oxycodone instant relief. I am out of the oxycontin and almost out of the oxycodone BUT have 14 methadone 5mg tablets...HELP???
Last edited by ddcmod; 07-06-2012 at 04:09 AM.
oxy then to methadone
Yes methadone and oxy are ok usualy if you decrease oxy use then you will be fine no withdrawal
I am on day 3 of going cold turkey from oxymorphone 30mg a day and oxycodone 45mg a day for about 4 years. This is definitely the hardest thing I've done but I have an amazing wife who is helping me and that is probably the best advice for anyone trying to quit. Have support. My wife didn't know about my problem until the day I decided to go ct. I had been lying to her for years and yet she took it in stride and is helping me get right. I knew that if I continued he path I was on it would ruin my marriage like addiction has ruined so many others. But back to the topic of withdrawls. I don't recommend the cold turkey route. Honestly, it sucks. But I didn't have the option of rehab or subs. I have done a lot of research and have been doing all the basics. Potassium wherever i can get it. Lots of water and vitamin waters or Gatorade. For me personally the worst part is definitely the restless legs. It is misery. Haven't slept in three days. The soreness and emotions are not easy. Have cried several times. But I know that I'm almost through it and threads and websites like these really do help. Knowing other people are out there fighting the same fight makes me believe that I can do it. I hope this helps someone else out there struggling with addiction tell that person in their life that they do have a problem and want to get clean. And this is coming from someone in the middle of the worst of wds. You can do it.
It's been 11 months for me. At one point 300+ mg oxycodone per day. Typical was 40-60. This is for a debilitating back injury but I fought hard because of Dr. Sarno's methods working for me in the past. I am now almost pain free however addicted to these devil pills. For some reason I am beating the odds so far. I am hating withdrawls so much and have cried and almost just let go of this life at one point and lost my wife and son because I couldn't take it anymore. For some reason the mixture of CBD oil (I go to CW hemp), vitamin C, magnesium and starting to try and ween to once a day was what helped. I went against what all docs said. For the most part they were never any help anyway. After all, they got me here in the first place. So once a day I still got "high". I did bullet proof coffee in the morning and tool CBD and sometimes took a 5 or 10 mg just to stay as sane as possible then around 5:00pm I would do 40mg. And yes I was drinking a lot with it. & know it's wrong but I was able to take less and still get what I needed. I started to smoke a little weed at night (vapor from Colorado from a friend) just one puff. Now after a couple weeks of that I am down to about 20mg per day. It's mainly tempatation at this point not all the horrible withdrawl symptoms. I almost took another 10 then googled something about snorting and found this site. I'm sticking with the 10 I took an hour ago. No high and I miss it but I just feel normal, and normal used to be ok. I need normal to be ok again. It's a long road ahead but even addiction is covered by Dr. Sarno's methods with TMS. Good book is by Steven Ray Ozanichc. I just started reading it and it zapped my back pain and I think it will help with addiction as well. Give it a shot. CBD has been talked about many times on ESPN from former athletes who had to fight opiate addiction. I spent $250 on the bottle but it will last 3 or 4 months I think. I'd rather fight this then eat. Good luck all. I am praying hard for myself, my family and anyone else who ever has to go through this hell. We can all do it. I'd be happy to talk to anyone who ever wants to talk or even share ideas or just want to cry. I will never forget the dark place I went and I will help others for the rest of my life. With opiates and with back pain. There's a way out. I'm not there yet but I'm close and I can feel my family and my life coming back.
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