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Detoxing from 60mg Methadone a day, please help!
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    cowboybbp1 is offline New Member
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    Default Detoxing from 60mg Methadone a day, please help!

    I don't need anyone to tell me how stupid I am, believe me I already know. I have been on this milligram methadone for 8 years. I've run out a day or two early maybe 3 times during that period, but never went through withdrawal. My father killed himself two weeks ago. I knew it was coming, and I didn't feel upset. But a few days later, I couldn't sleep, so I took a few more methadone, then a few more, then a few more. Finally, I passed out, and when I woke up and counted them, to my shock I had taken 20 10mg pills in one night.

    I've never messed up this bad. I haven't had any methadone since last Friday, and when I called my doctor he wouldn't write it early. I can get it in two days (if he doesn't discharge me), but I don't know if I can make it. The inside of my arms, legs, and chest feel like they're on fire. I can hardly stand, and am throwing up every couple hours.

    Is this what is supposed to be happening? I am also sneezing uncontrollably and violently. Almost to the point where I can't breathe. I have some IB Profin, Promethazine (for nausia), and some Tylenol #3 w/ Codine, but I am not getting any better.

    Is there anything I can do to help with these symptoms (and do they sound normal)? I am on methadone because I broke my back at 20, and had several disc replacements. As I said, I've never gone through anything like this before, so now that I know how bad you can feel without it, I want to get off the Methadone. But if this is what I have to go through to get clean, I can't do it. I'll die.

    So, at least, can I get some helpful suggestions? Is this normal, what can I do to help with these symptoms? I need advice, quickly, before I get so sick I'm in the hospital.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I am sorry you are going through this..
    I am 1 year tomorrow off methadone 150 mg a day..
    I used suboxone..
    Now almost 4 months clean from that..

    If you ever wanted to induce to sub
    This is probaly the time to do it..

    Hylands restless leg OTC
    Helps a lot
    And liquid Imodium or generic..

    I am so much happier off methadone
    And my pain is certainly not any worse now..
    I was in a car accident ..

    If you go to the thomas Receipe on here..
    There are many suggestions that can help you ..

    I don't think tylenol#3 is strong enough for you ..

    Clonidine will help
    It is a BP med that has been used for opiate withdrawals for years..

    Why do you think your dr will fire you..

    You will feel better soon..
    Either with or without!
    Everything passes!
    But being clean at the end is amazing ..
    Take care
    Bette
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    I dont know if he will fire me. I only know I went to see him today and he wouldn't see me. Then the nurse came out and asked why I came in two days early. I don't lie to my doctor, although in hind sight that might have been better. I told the nurse I messed up. That I hadn't had any methadone for 3 days, and how sick I was. She got on my case for taking to many, and asked why I did. I told I had a reason, but it was just an excuse. I told my father killed himself, and I found his body in his apartment a week later since I hadn't heard from him. She said she knew it wasn't a regular thing (me taking too many pills), and said she would talk to the doctor. She came back out and said the doctor would not write it early. I explained the withdrawal symptoms I was having, and she said that even if I was going through withdrawal, there was nothing he could do, and that we would have a conversation when I came in later in the week. Then she told me to leave.

    I don't actually think he with discharge me. I hope he'll understand, and I've been with him several years and never come in early asking for this.

    I am just scared. Going through what I am already, I am so afraid he'll cut me loose, and I'll have to feel like this even longer.

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    Okay, day 4 with no methadone, day 2 with no oxycodone. I haven't thrown up since yesterday afternoon (although I'm dry heaving as I type this, so its probably coming). The worst thing is the burning. I still really need clarification on this. Is that what is considered hot flashes? The feeling that the inside of your arms, legs, chest, and head are burning? I can't seem to get those to stop at all. It's constant.

    This is the hardest thing I've ever gone through. And if I listed where and how much metal is in my body, that might surprise some. I want off of this. On the one hand (even though it wasn't planned) I feel like I've gone this far so why not tough it out? Then I get hit with a wave of excruciating back or leg pain, and all I want are my pills back. Most of my friends are gone. I became such a recluse on the Methadone, that they all quit coming around. My best friend took his wife and moved away. I've not heard from him in 6 months, and it hurts more than I can say. My close second is still around. He told I should tell my doctor to >>>> off and tough it out. I'd like to.

    But what if all those doctors 8 years ago were right? What if I really do have permanent spinal nerve damage that will require a lifetime of meds to keep in check? Am I just making myself worse now by doing this? Scary to think of.

    Well, 8 more hours till my appointment. Gotta see what happens I guess.

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    Hi Cowboy, First, let me say how sorry I am for your loss. You mentioned that it wasn't unexpected, but it had to a shock nonetheless, losing a parent is difficult under the best of circumstances.

    I'm new to this site and I've never responded before, but I'm currently tapering down off of Methadone after ten years (where does the time go?) of pain management for severe Crohn's disease. I come from a large family and have witnessed loved ones fight addiction battles my whole life, so when it comes to drugs and alcohol I'm a bit of a control freak, so I've never been addicted but I am definitely dependent. I thought I was fully educated about the dangers of Methadone, but I've learned in the past few months that I've been woefully ignorant - it's a killer and just a small increase can inhibit or stop respiration - it sounds like you were very, very lucky when you took that extra 20 pills. And I am so very sorry that now you're fighting withdrawal on top of everything else you've been going through.

    Background and accompanying rant - you can skip over this part...

    I was started on 40mgs of Methadone a day (by a Pain Management Specialist) without any discussion about the risks involved, and I was so amazed that I could be pain free that I didn't push for information. My Crohn's disease literally eats through my small bowel wall and I've lost most of it, causing major digestion issues... Methadone slowed things down enough that I got more nutrition from my food, allowing me to avoid TPN (total parenteral nutrition - liquid nutrition) and keeping me out of the bathroom so I could be a mother to my son, and helped my abdominal and arthritis pain. So I look back and can honestly say I got some benefit from it, but I never should have been allowed (encouraged?) to stay on it for so long. Never once in the ten years - every single month! - that I've been going to this doctor's practice has anyone ever suggested I stop, decrease my dose or switch things up for my safety or health.

    Ok, end of rant.

    My eyes were opened this winter by my Pharmacist of 17 years who was aghast that my dose had been increased from 15mgs a day to 30mgs a day to deal with bone pain that came on as a side effect of new Crohn's meds. (I had tapered down by myself over the years and been on 15mgs for over a year.) She spent quite a bit of time with me explaining the dangers of doubling my dose, the equivalent dose of morphine I would be taking to match the methadone, and the fact that this large chain of stores now has a policy in place that prohibits filling methadone scripts over a certain dose. I'm not on any other pain meds but I do have Valium that I only take when I have an uncontrollable migraine - maybe every other month - but with the funky way that methadone metabolizes even that can be dangerous. The irony is that I have fought so hard to live - being chronically immune suppressed for so many years has caused congestive heart failure, pneumonia, and a host of infections and complications that have caused near death experiences, and I'm only 51 - but I never suspected I could be putting my life in danger from what - I thought - was a low dose of methadone.

    I've immersed myself in research since then and pretty much scared myself straight. I've been tapering by 1.25mgs a week and am now at 5mgs a day - and have been experiencing a constant state of (mild I'm sure) withdrawals. Not sleeping was horrible and my Internist gave me a script of Ambien that has been a life saver (I've been on it before because I can't sleep when I'm on Prednisone, so I knew I don't have any issues with it). I tried a slow release Melatonin first and it helped me fall asleep, but I didn't stay asleep and I think it's because it doesn't hang around in my digestive system but it might work for you. I also added the vitamins and supplements noted in "Robert's Plan," but I haven't tried the Hyland's Restless Leg yet because I haven't needed it. Hot Epsom salt baths are relaxing, of course physical activity when you can and hydration are all important. I'm doing neurofeedback and am looking into acupuncture to help manage the pain because I know that it will always be with me. But I'm so looking forward to not being dependent on this medication any more and getting a reset on my brain function.

    It's hard to say what your doctor will do today, I hope he'll work with you, but if he doesn't, I recommend you get in touch with your primary doctor and let him/her know what's going on rather than try to tough it out on your own, especially since it doesn't sound like you have a lot of emotional support right now. You might also look into a grief support group in your area where you'll meet other families going through similar experiences.

    I know this experience has been horrible, but maybe it's the catalyst that drives you to ask more questions and seek alternative care, and ultimately leads you to a better life. Wishing you the best of luck!

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    OOPS! It's The Thomas Recipe - I should have said there's a list of things to do to help withdrawal, and it has nothing to do with Robert... Sorry!

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    I agree with you both..
    For me ten years on it..
    It took me to my knees..
    I hated everything about it ..
    Mostly I hated myself..
    My world became very small too..
    Me and the Housewives of wherever..!
    Every night.

    I choose to go to sub ..
    Tapered off that..
    It was so much easier..
    For one I didn't get high from the sub
    And
    I didn't want to isolate ..
    Like I did on the methadone..
    I lost all the weight I had gained on the methadone..
    It is just a different type drug..

    I had tried many times to get off ..
    But just couldn't..

    Today is my 1 year anniversary of methadone!
    I have never ever looked back..

    Soon it will be 4 months off the sub..

    It was the help and success of this forum that walked me through it..
    We will do it for you too..

    Life is so much better..
    Out of those liquid handcuffs!
    It sounds like restless legs that you are having ..
    Hylands restless legs OTC help ..
    Will check back later
    Bette

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    Congratulations Bette! You're truly an inspiration!
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