I am suppose to be writing a journal says my therapist thinking that would help right now. I AM thinking right now, but sometimes I don't think I just lay there! What do I do. Do I just keep taking pills? I am on ambien and I'm still up again. Sometimes there is a lot on my mind like tonight. I like to talk not really write. Can someone help me?
What do I do about my insomnia?
Added 18 Feb 2011:
Hi you guys, up again yey. I was bareley asleep after talking on the phone with someone and then someone else called me and Ive been awake ever since...1 1 /2 hrs ago. Anyway I ordered a free trial of Somnapure...it has Valarian in it, Hops, Cammomile, Melentonin, Passion flower, Lemon Balm, and L-theanine I get it in 4 days then I have to cancel my free trial cause they'll charge me $55 a month :( So I will try that along with my ambien and klonopin and others. Do you think I'll sleep and also not wake up later on again with all this for at least 2 weeks...until I see my doctor?
Hey there Eclipse2. I'm sorry to hear about your sleeplessness. What sorts of things do you do to help you relax or sleep? What do you do prior to your bedtime? Instead of actually writing in a journal, would you be allowed to use a micro recorder & just talk & tape? Would that idea appeal to you?
Hi Eclipse2, I also an insomniac myself, I have no trouble falling asleep, but almost every night I am up at 3a.m. or so. I have chronic pain issues, so trust me I take enough prescribed medications to put an elephant asleep for several days! These are the things that work best for me. Don't nap in the day, get plenty of exercise, keep your bedroom at a cool temperature, and lastly as hard as it sounds, put all those things you think about aside for the night, put them to bed before you go to bed. Your bedroom should be used for two things only, sleep and sex! Try warm milk with a little cinnamon. I have PTSD, so I know what it feels like to have all those "demons" in your bedroom at night.
Tell those thoughts there isn't enough space for you and them in your room! Rationally, they will still be there in the morning, so shut the door (in your mind) until you can actually take care of them. Lastly, when all else fails I take melatonin, you can find this all natural supplement in almost all drug stores, as well as the retail stores. Pamper yourself with lavender body lotion as well. That serves double duty as your keep your skin soft, and take in the calming affect of the lavender. Two more things, if you take your melatonin at bedtime, or if you wake up super early and take it, set your sleep timer on your T.V. for 30 minutes, I usually don't even hear the T.V. go off! I think age has alot to do with it, I am 54. I am usually on this site about 2:30-3:00 a.m. I stay up for no more than 30 minutes, before I try to go back to sleep. I am truly sorry you are having sleep problems, some nights I don't even want to go to bed for fear it will be another sleepless night. Please feel free to pm me anytime, and please let me know if any of my suggestions helped! Bless you.
Hi i think that last response is a great example of how to make you relax and sleep without using medication. I have also used Melatonin and they worked for me. I did have to wait a while until they got in to my system (1 - 2 weeks +), but persevere and take them every night.
If you try all these things and still do not sleep, like me, some antidepressants work to help you relax and fall asleep when taken at night. My doctor put me on Amitriptyline 50mg a night and they are the best thing I have ever tried!
I'm not advocating the use of prescription drugs but sometimes they are the only thing that work. I also went to sleep therapy and tried loads of stuff first. Anyway, good luck and i hope you get some sleep soon!
I agree with all these posts so I have nothing new to add except a listening ear when you need it. I had insomnia all my life until about 30 yrs of age when I started all these meds for depression , anxiety, and pain! But I remember being only 5 and staring at the ceiling for hours but I've always been a worrier. Along with the other gal please write me whenever, I'm always on my computer. Cathleen
Hello Eclipse I feel for you ,there is nothing worse then not sleeping ! I have allways been a very light sleeper due to anxiety & stress also at the moment I have just come off a addictive drug & now starting on a new drug which is a low mg dose that has so far not helped with my sleep insomnia,however there is help at hand because I have just started taking 1/2 a tablet of Valerian Forte in the morning as directed by my chemist, also 1 tablet at night before going to bed.So far it is helping with my sleep so you might give this vitamin a go or go to the Health Food store where they sell a herb sleeping pill that I know works fantastic because a neighbour of mine who was in his 90 s used to take these sleepers & told me they worked like a dream ! The sleepers cost $35.00 dollars australian at our health store's, I am sure you will find them if you are outside Australia, I will try to get you the name next time in the city shopping ok ! otherwise look on the Internet for help. take care
Don't feel so bad eclipse.I go to bed during the day and wake up at night and I havn't been awake during the day for like 4 or 5 months now.I have to admit though.It is really starting to take a toll on me.I start to feel more sad depressed at night because I get mad at myself for not being awake during the day.Trust me!!!
I am probably one of the biggest INSOMNIAC's on here.I am not in any way proud to be saying this but sometimes I don't sleep for 2 or 3 days straight.
So before you think that you have it real bad off.Just think about all the other people out there in the world that have got it way worse and we are not CRAZY.We just have very very terrible insomnia.Reading a book sometimes helps as well as watching tv for a few minutes.I have also heard from many different people.That if you leave your light on in your room all night.That it can prevent you from sleeping IDK??Srry but this is the best advice that.I can give you considering I don't sleep right either.Hope things can get better.I know it's hard just keep your head up and try out some techniques.
I have the same problem and am taking ambien for the very short term.
I would acquire somehow a great book with a wonderful chapter on sleep. It is called The Mood Cure by Julia Ross. I think this book is going to help me solve insomnia once and for all --- no simple answers - no heavy drugs -- the right neurochemistry explained. It is a godsend.
I have the same problem falling asleep at night. My doctor explained to me that if I don't begin relaxing within 15-20 min. that I needed to get up and function for about 20-30 min then try going to sleep again. He was very explicit about not lying in bed for long periods of time because I would begin to build a love hate relationship with sleeping in my bed. Since trying what he said I have found it easier to go to sleep.
Ya know, I been thinking about this, & you sound like an "A" type personality. I am also, & you need something to shut your brain down. I'm not so sure talking or even writing in a journal is the right thing for you. Just my opinion! Maybe journaling before you go to bed, but not in bed. You want to quiet the brain, not rumble it all up with thoughts. You'll just keep thinking about things. Are you the one I suggested white noise too? It really helps me. I wish you all the best with your endeavor to get a good nites rest. I personally use Xanax, & it dulls your thinking enough to actually go to sleep. Hope this helps.
I try to prepare to wind down if I don't I would be awake throughout the night, I am not sure that these themselves would harm you but I am a tad concerned about you using Ambien or any other sleep aid without you talking to your pharmacist and he just looks through the list which you can tell him the ingredients on the phone, either that or discuss it with the pharmacist, I don't watch television, I set the timer turn my face away and I think the noise puts me off to sleep, if you're awake then you must be thinking about something I think the therapist wants to get to the bottom of what you are thinking about, I had an episode of insomina about 2 months ago, my doctor prescribed Restoril and some of the others but you know I have never been drunk in my life but when I woke up I felt like my head was going to blow off and I was just "hungover" I would prefer not to sleep than to feel like I was in a fog throughout the next day, I think they tried Sonota,
and the last one was secobarbitol just too much for me to deal with, do as the therapist suggests and write your thought pattern down you might really be surprised what is coming across your mind and is really at fault for you being awake. I hope that you soon return to getting sleep at night, let us know how you do and what ends up working for you.
Hi: I think you'll find a lot of Type A personalities here..welcome to the club!
Many of us are so 'wired' during the day that we can't shut our minds off when it is time for bed. I've had insomnia for over 30 years. I have always been a 'night' person, and would never go to bed before midnight--usually later--yet would still have to get up at a 'regular' time to go to work. Years and years of not getting enough sleep will take its toll.
Have you been checked for low adrenal function (Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency)? When you are a Type A, you tend to burn your Adrenals out, after a few years. That's what I did, but back then, no one knew how to check for it. When I finally found a doctor who knew what was wrong with me, I got some help. Your adrenal glands turn 'on' at night--- so it makes it easier to just stay awake.
You need to train yourself to go to bed at the same time every night--not 10 pm one night, then 1 am the next, etc. And, when you do go to bed, follow some of the suggestions above: dark, quiet room, no TV, no phones, low, calming music. Don't eat or drink right before bed, except maybe herbal tea--unless that will cause you to have to get up during the night.
***LISTEN TO YOUR BODY... AT SOME POINT IN THE EVENING IT SHOULD START TO FEEL VERY TIRED. STOP WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING AND GO TO BED IMMEDIATELY!! If you don't (and you are like me), you will get your 'second wind' and begin to 'wake up' again, and just keep going the rest of the night!!! Have everything ready in your bedroom so that all you have to do is get into bed when you start to feel tired. Don't wait and go brush your teeth, pick up the kitchen, etc., as, if you wait too long, the 'tired' feeling will quickly pass. (I know, it happens to me all the time, if I let it!)
You don't mention having chronic body pain--if not, you are lucky! All my years of lack of sleep caused extreme neck and shoulder pain (tension).
I now take Soma before I go to bed. It is a muscle relaxant, but it has a wonderful 'side effect' of LETTING your sleep thru the night, with no drugged out feeling the next morning! If nothing else works for you, you might ask your doctor about it. Unless you have an 'addictive personality' it should be safe to take--but check for interactions with your others meds first.
Good Luck to you, Mary
Hi there Eclipse I am not so sure if the vitamin you have ordered with other herbs combined in the mix will work for you but at least you can at least give it a go !! shame you couldn't get the Valerian Forte by the company called Blackmores which is a fantastic product because its worked so well for me in a very short time ,its a amazing a miracle Herb.I will pray for your sucess & that your sleeping problem improves. Take Care much love Candypq
I suggested yesterday the medication Doxepin. From what I understand, it's a drug that's been around for a long time. My psychiatrist prescribed this for me several years ago and it's been fairly helpful. Sometimes I have to supplement it with Ambien CR, but I really don't like taking Ambien because I think it messes with my memory too much - plus it seems to increase my appetite, and I don't like that. Another good thing about Doxepin which is the generic version of Sinequan, is that it is pretty cheap, I think with my insurance, it's only $3.00 for 30 days.
But I can also relate to taking sleeping medication, sleeping for a few hours and then waking and being wide awake for the rest of the rest of the night -- it's so frustrating! I was encouraged to "journal" and I've done that in the past, but there's a lot of nights I just don't have much to "say" - at least on paper... Just know you're not alone. I hope you start to feel better soon - keep in touch.
There are many different avenues you want to explore and my suggestion to you is stop taking Ambien. If you do not fall asleep within a specific period of time, it will end up having a paridoxical effect, i.e., you will become wired instead of tired.
Firstly, put your phone away and shut it off.
Do not lay in bed unless you are sure you are going to sleep. You will develop a relationship with the idea of being in bed and right now the thought of laying in bed is staying awake.
Read a book on your couch, or watch t.v., that's fine. But don't lay in bed!
Wake up early, so your eyes get exposed to sunlight for a long period of time. The will help re-set your circadian rhythm.
Exercise at some point during the day, like actually break a sweat.
You can journal all you want but I don't think that's gonna help you sleep. If anything it will probably make you think about more crap than you should be at that hour, worsening your cyclic thoughts before sleep.
Yea, I agree, insomnia is the worse! What I do, to manage stress throughout the day so I don't take it all to bed with me, is keep 3x5 cards ready. At home, in my office desk, always one in my pocket. Whenever I feel uptight or stressed, I'll jot down that I feel that way. And next to it, write what it is thats making me feel that way. Believe it or not, it works. Then you kind of have a journal already! Just a bunch of 3x5 cards. he he. So I make sure to date each card. Sometimes I'll have 5-6 cards on just one day. Sky's the limit.
Just thought I'd throw a suggestion. Good luck!
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