Vyvanse - Am I innatentive or hyperactive? so, I am wondering if I am Innatentive. I'm confussed?
- 13 Apr 2012 by Anonymous
- 17 April 2012
- vyvanse, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (adhd)
Added 13 Apr 2012:
also, I feel as if my life is catching up, before I felt immature as a 33 year old. I liked drinkingbecaus eit mad eme mentally feel right, this make sme feel like my mind is catching up, is that weird? like Im 33 years old. never been on this medication and been in the Marines, moved all over the place etc. so it just feels like life that I experienced in a haze is subconciusoly making the experience known as before it wasnt, does that make sense? even women at my college are taking to me, before they wouldnt say one word or just high, it nice to have conversations again
The prominent manifestation of the two "ADHD focus deficits" you describe sounds mostly inattentive. I've not been a big fan of prescribing different medications of the stimulant family at the claims of one being more focusing (attention span stability) and one more motivating (ability to remain at one thing without moving to another). No, the two sides of the coin sound like the same thing, but they aren't. One relates to the stability and changability of brain process and the other to the body and subconsious disquiet to settle in at something.
It is claimed that Dexadrine is mostly focusing in nature (often too much so) while the Amphetamine Salts of Adderall are each more or less focusing or motivating, Ritalin is said to be better at motivating, and Desoxyn, well, there is a reason it is almost never prescribed: methamphetamine is a far too focusing in nature and borders on hallucinogenic even at relatively small doses often leading to hyperactivity instead of the other direction.
Vyvanse is a prodrug of no thereputic effect of any kind on the body in the form you receive it in at the pharmacy, but the body breaks it down into metabolites (only during digestion and therefore snorting, injecting, etc. the powder in the Vyvanse capsule is useless and abuse potential drops) the one of note being the single isomer dextroamphetamine. So only through ingestion is CNS stimulation possible as blood and lung tissue do not change lisdexamfetamine from its whole, innocuous form.
You are not unlike many of your age range who suffer from what can only be classified as ADHD but appears to be more pronounced in the effects on organization within the mind and with an aspect of late or incomplete emotional development and a broken record type internal dialog. The most harmful aspect of this form of the condition is the toll it takes on the mind and body thanks to undue stress stemming from uncontrolable mind racing. Stimulants may or may not help out with this unique and specifically targeted "ADHD" model. I am of the personal opinion that ADHD is in no way an actual genetic condition or even predisposition, but a term use to describe what could more broadly be thought of as many variations of inadequate capacity and inability to act with the agility of brain function to compensate for influx of data. I postulate that ADHD is recent in apperrance as a problem in children and even more over in adults because it is a evelutionary lag in the brain's abilities and capacity behind the ever more expeanding data field we are constantly in contact with. The human brain was not made for this kind of internet age data accumulation and organization - in 10 years evolution can make one move while the information we are processing runs marathon lengths in level of specicifity and potential for change.
(The following is my personal take on the entire "ADHD" thing) Those who suffer most are those who were born from 1978-1986, these comprising the individuals who remember when the internet had to be dialed into for access and could be logged off of when we were satiated and witnessed its mutation into a window that cannot be closed nor the circulation of things back and forth through it be prevented, access uncontrolled. It seems they cannot reconcile youthful reality with what is now considered life or devise a method of working within what we can feel to be an unnatural change of existance. The brain is a burden to itself in effort to compensate, rarely quiet of it's own choosing, and crippled by lack of databasing capacaty one requires when storing such vast amounts of information logically. Those born before 1978 are the ones more often than not diagnosed as adults, but suffer a different kind of ADHD, more like brain fatigue. They had ample time for their minds to become steady within the natural world and develop skills to find other adaptaion methods in the fact of the change to online living. Only now are they showing signs of ADHD because it took a longer time for the overload to break down these constructs of respite they equipped with before the online boom. Younger individuals never existed in the world of steady state knowledge influx and required intrapersonal reliance, and so have an ADHD which is rooted in the lack of ability to precieve of tangibles or perminance of state, so they present with ADHD symptoms because they know of little order to life and can only see things as the cloud presents things, ever moving, shifting, fading and reappearing. They don't have problems with brain exhaustion from overprocessing of often unrequired data, or fatigue due to eventual lack of stamina to maintain, instead thier brains were conditioned from birth to know only of a world in which everything is offered at once and with this cannot fully percieve of the human's intended pace of movement through things slowly. They bounce off everything, accumulate from each interaction much less but interact with much much more. So when ADD was paired into ADHD and then both combined into only ADHD this was because the main issue involved actually was changing, first the now 30s crowd presented problems first as they found themselves around the early teens slowly becoming less able to keep track of the world around them and thus unable to focus, or ADD. Then the older generations began to tire from the strain of the new world and started to become easily distracted and apt to misplace information, appearing as restlessness and brain fatigue the ADHD covered this inability to settle into place under hyperactivity. Finally, the youngest sufferers understand only constant flow of information and expect instant gratification of fancy and so all both appear to not manage thorough learning skills such as perseverance of study to reach a solution and don't manage to stay still because of the "passing laugh" nature of thier experiences and a feeling of pressure to move on quickly, no longer just a matter of an apparent attention deficite, and now always presenting it appeared in tandem with a hyperactive nature, ADHD was settled upon as the term for all three groups. Stimulants appear to help all three manifestations due to nothing more than tricks and mirrors - in a hyperfocused state individuals cannot easily change focus and rarely even retain awareness of thier bodies around thier minds so don't act hyperactive either. The generations to come will likely present a new problem child set of symptoms resulting in large part from the stimulants which thier parents developed under the influance of, perhaps a backward evolution of physical abilities and retarded or dysfunctioned thinking. Truth is, the less people with ADHD we treat now, the faster the issue will resolve itself through evolutionary adaptation, but the more people we keep on stready levels of amphetamines for the large portion of thier lives, developmental through adaptational, the more arbitrary the genetic mutations will be, and the less likely we are to have functional generations to come. These are amphetamines we're talking about... insidiously addictive, reenforcing by nature, damaging to the heart, the veins, and most organs, doubling the number of HBpM we have thus effectivly halving the longevity of the heart itself, altering on a very intimate level senses of perception and computation, exausting the body of dopamine, altering seratonin, overwhelming in it's releasing of norepinephrine, inhibiting the action and production of hormones in most every system from sexual to thyroid to emotional... and it is administered as young as 5. To assume there will be no reprecussions in our offspring and their overall health and adaptability would be no less than blind foolishness. We just don't yet care and are of a school that is encouraged to trust doctors to do what's best. We were better off when parents got away from thier kids by administering mothers little helper, barbituates, to make them sleep for a while, than we are now giving them amphetamines so that they will occupy themselves elsewhere.
I happen to be 29 myself, and I sometimes have to say to myself out loud "Shut up about it, it's of no relevence at all!" It never works though so in my earlier twenties I kept myself drunk at most all times so I could live without a constant headache and attempts at deciphering the world's code... this proved too distructive so now I fall back on THC when the day needs to end and my head needs to shut up. Your description of yourself and your woes sound exactly like my own, so know that you're not quite as freakish as you often times feel, just a product of a shift in everything you were raised among and to know without a fair chance at figuring things out before everything moved "forward" some more and forever in a race to catch up.
The Vyvanse will help, for reasons completely unrelated to what the core of medicine's purpose is to begin with (to find specific treatments to specific problems) but because it'll make you shove much of the needless mind racing to the side and concentrate on one thing. It also evokes "a False sense of wellbeing" which basically means it gets you high, but specifically makes you more socially outgoing, personable, brave and confident in yourself in light of others regardless of actual ranking among the group hierarchy, and well, you'll smile more because of the euphric effects amphetamines cause, and everyone is attracted to an ernest smile. This is why you've found interactions with the ladies to be more enjoyable and frequent in nature. You have the confidence to swagger now, and such presentation of self is one of the primal signalers of a good mate... you are an Alpha dog of mind, and that carries into action, and you are therefore now seen as one of those that has a beatiful coat of fur and the ability to lead, whatever may lay inside of you, and regardless of the mode of action used to manefest these apparent qualities.
God, I went on forever. Sorry for that. And any spelling errors or dropped letters. I just have a lot in my head and you posed a question which I feel like I've been studying myself for years. Maybe my new medical theory on ADHD is a crock, but it is the only thing that makes sense to me, and maybe it would help you see where and why you stand at the location in life you do. Maybe I just confused things more... I hope not.
Last thing, just don't take for granted this new social confidence or any new abilities or abilities to control what manifests mentally. You've taken Vyvanse for the first time, it all goes down from here. Expect required raises in dose quite frequently, and know you will eventually simply be dependant (the nice medical version of addicted) on the Vyvanse while no longer experiencing any positive benefits and with a doctor who cannot compensate with more MGs without coming up against legal action. The FDA says 70mg is the maximum dose of theraputic need, doctors can bend this ruling (mine had me on 210mg at one point) but if they push too far the FDA will take note. Make a decision now as to what you want: To live a long, often confused, unaimed, and possibly unaccomplished life or to live a short, productive, beautiful dream existence knowing 20 years ahead there will be nothing but bleak reality, dependance on a drug, and health issues. They don't much talk about coming off of ADHD stimulants because of good reason, it's an ugly thing.
I was reading your question and then reading the previous response, and what you said to it. I am in no way able to answer you that way. But I noticed you said noone seemed to want to answer your questions, and I'm sorry you feel that way. I will tell you that I understand what you are going through and go through some of it myself. I take Vyvance too. And I am seriously thinking about swithching the next time I go to the doctor to something that can make me more attentative. I get what you mean about it seeming to help sometimes and not seeming to help sometimes. But I will be honest. It hasn't been a complete failure to me. I have been pleased in a lot of ways. I'm a definate believer in ADD- ADHD. I have three boys and one of and two of them are adults now. One of them was just sworn into the Marines and is as smart as they come. When he was young though he struggled tremendously with his grades and focusing and all the other signs of ADHD.
It took me a couple of years before I would put him on medication. I too took medication when I was younger, and my grades went from D's and F's and I finally decided to put him on medicine. It was a hard decision. But he went from straight D's and some F's to A's and B's. No more talking back to the teacher. He was able to focus and do his homework. He was able to communicate and actually make friends. I don't regret for one minute giving it to him. And he didn't do drugs and doesn't do them now. Everyone has their own opinion. But if it is helping you and you are doing better in every area of your life..then that is good. Yes, you said you may want to change due to being more attentative. You can do that. I am thinking about changing. I don't plan on taking the medication my whole life, but it is helping me now. Before I started taking it again, I was a basket case. Meaning I couldn't focus to save my life. I would go in one room and start to clean. Then go in another room. Then another. Then at the end of the day I had 5 rooms that I had started to clean and not one of them were clean. That is an example. I had symptoms like Procrastination, disorganized, forgetfulness in daily activities, failure to complete chores, interrupting, not listening to others, inability to sustain attention to tasks, fidgeting, always moving around, ect.. Now I am completely diffent. I'm not saying I never ever do those things. But compared to before it is like night and day. A lot of people don't really understand ADHD. But I do, and it was the best thing I could have done for my son. He no longer has to take it. But he's glad he took it through school and made good grades and things. I'm not going to get into what it could do to you negatively. Everything has a possible negative effect. And there are people who abuse these kinds of medications just like others. But I know if you truly have Add or ADHD the medications can help. And it seems like it is helping you to be able to work better and talk to people and you seem to like that. I won't go on and on. But I am sorry noone has answered you more. I am here if you want to talk. I hope if you decide to stay on the Vyvance that it will work wonderful for you. If you do not, I hope you will find something that will work wonderful for you. Believe it or not, there are alot of supportive people here. If you want to give me a yell... I'm here. Ruth
Have any of you perchance read about the Crystal and Indigo generations and their attributes, gifts, difficulties, purpose in consciousness at this time in man's evolutionary process??? Shady I read your profile so you are also interested in alternative ways of looking at things ie: healing systems, Reiki, etc. curious if any of you who have answered so far have? I won't go into it here but would like to hear from you? you too babyr, mindy
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