Suboxone withdrawal 3rd time?
- 28 May 2011 by parsimony
- 6 Nov 2012
- suboxone, withdrawal
Hey everyone. i am on day 8 of my third try coming off of suboxone and wanted to know if anybody has any insight here.
the first withdrawal i jumped from 8mg to zero and that was no fun and on day 12 i took suboxone. i took suboxone (no more than 2.5mg max) for about two weeks and then had to get a surgical procedure done and decided to get off suboxone so that my pain meds could work... and yes i needed them the suboxone was not a pain med for me during this procedure. i was on the vicodin for about 10 days and waited to see how i felt after my last dose. i had one 8mg sublinguil film left and took that on a monday and took my last dose on that following friday. now it is day 8 since that last time.
i felt ok the first couple days but on day 5 i started having the nausea/gastrointensital problems/ chills/ insomnia/ restless legs/cry spells and i am just thinking to my self aggghhh this is the 3rd time ive had to go through this!!!
i wake up abruptly with chills and shakes and i am so annoyed. has anybody had a similar experience with this? i have no will to go back to the doctor for suboxone. i am just wondering if eventually this will go away. a quick response would be nice. thank you
Dear Parsimony, hope this not finds you healing well. None of us are actually subs doctors, but in the case of suboxone, sometimes we patients actually know a bit more than the doctors do on coming off. Of course you will feel better if you do go back to the doctor and get back on it and taper back off. That being said, there are some rx meds that will help. Clonidine ( aka catapres) which technically is a blood pressure med but helps with insomnia, rls and anxiety related to opiate withdrawal. There is also a med called methacarbomal that can help with tummy cramps. There is a list of otc meds and a formula called the Thomas recipe for a natural way to come off of opiates to lessen the symptoms. Google the Thomas recipe opiate withdrawal for the list and Thomas's journal of his experience getting off opiates with this recipe.
and last but not least, up your support system, STAY BUSY, and if you can do any walking ( warning do NOT do this if you are not physically able to, you mentioned surgery, if this is not a good idea for you, then don't) or any form of regular exercise sends a signal to the brain to reboot the natural pain relieving system that once acted properly, it produces endorphins that make you feel better mentally and physically, and it helps regulate the eat-sleep-wake cycles. It will not work overnight but it does work. You might also consider an anti depressant to help you thru this difficult time. Each person coming off subs has a different amount of time and experience with withdrawal. Saying some prayers for you, let us know how you are. Pattishan
couple things to keep into consideration, how long were you on narcotics, how long were you on suboxone? What most people dont quite understand about sobxone and naloxone, is the streangth... Did you know that as little as 2mg of subxone is equal to 60mg of morphine. Truthfully, we need to know how long you been on subxone. The longer you been on, the longer it takes. Generally, it takes up to seven days, and i have also heard up to fifteen, and sady, for lifetime users, well, its far too late by then, you never go back. All this information is at your disposal. Your brain will not fully relearn itself until your totally free of narcotics and suboxone is a narcotic. I was on heavy usage of narcotics for three years, I used suboxone, and still had WD's the first three days, after that the subxone worked well. The more you switch back and forth, the less it seems to work for the major WD symptoms.
I was taking 8mg a day and somtimes more, I found myself slowly trading one for another. What I ended up doing, and this is different for everyperson, I used tramadol to help with the WD's from suboxone. Tramadol has very little wd symptoms, and doesnt bind with your receptors the same way as suboxone or oxycotin does, so the physical addictive properties are far less. As with anything this advice should be taken very seriously, i believe you should be past the WD symptoms by now, unless there are some underlying health issues, which any narcotic can cover up. I would highly recommend seeing your doctor, ask him about tramadol, even just enough for a few days, there are other medications available as well besides suboxone and subutex. Subutex is actually recommended by the manufacturing companies highly becuase of the naloxone. I am just saying what worked for me, tramadol is more of a hybrid, and works great for pain and does not give you the euphoria. Although it is considered an opiod if you can use this just for the WD's for a few days and use very little, it helped me to get off the suboxone. in a months time, i went from 180 mg of oxycodone to nothing at all. I did this on my own, without the intructions of doctors. As i said before, make sure there is no underlying issues, especially from the surgery, which is a concern of mine, becuase you should be through the WDs by now. keep me posted.
If you were and opiate adddict and then went back on an opiate after surgery for more than a week its going to take some time... and I kno from others that you can cut the film in 16ths if you need to taper down slow and have little difficulty... thee is no reason to put stress on yourself going cold turkey and feeling like shi* after 12 days. Congrats on staying clean though!!!
im also on my 3rd time kicking suboxone,im currently on day 4 of no subs,i felt ok the 1st couple days n now i have the same symptoms but thats wot happens,from my own experiences with coming off subs the withdrawels dont sually start till the 3rd or 4th day and can last anytime up to a wk or 2 but it depends on the individual.my advice is do not replace the subs with ANY opiate even co-codamol as ur body needs 2b rid of ALL opiates 4u to recover as any opiate no matter how small makes ur mind remember the need and the whole cycle can start all over.i have absolutly no urge to go bak on anything.this time for me is so different as i beleve iv had enuf!! and when u think about it... wots the point in going threw the programme of subs to taper down to bak out wen it gets tough??? its not worth it.if ur on day 8... ur nearly physically cured... its down to u now to stay off which i wish u every success n really hope and beleve u will stay off.congrats on being clean.if u ever nd 2talk... my experiences are very similar to urself :-)
I feel your pain,been on and off everything from amphetamines-opiates-meds,and i can tell u it will get better,it just depends on how u deal with it and u absolutely need to stick with it,DONT GIVE IN!
Im on day 15 of a straight jump off 4mg Suboxone(not ideal i know,but its a long and complicated story)if u want to know a bit more about my story,check out some of the new posts under sub w/d,im new here soooo,lol.all i can say is,try to keep urself occupied,watching movies,exercise of anykind that u can tollerate,and more of this,talking helps alot i feel,knowing what others are going thru,and that u are NOT alone :D.Im in exactly the same boat,except i literally CANT go back to a sub doctor(again,complicated).Im still getting flushed/chilled,crazy legs have gone for now,but lower back pain is bad,lack of energy.Just try to have as many hot baths as u can,advil/ibuprofen for pain,possibly Valium if u can get/have any,but keep in mind,u dont want 2 swap 1 thing for another,so be careful! only take as much as u need to get tired.Also,try to keep urself warm/wrapped up,better to sweat than to be cold.1 last little piece of advice,if u go to a doc and he says Tramadol,dont take it,just use the advil/ibuprofen,Tramadol will only mask the w/d symptoms as it works on the same receptors as Sub :(.Hope this helps,God bless and keep up the good work
Suboxone has such a long half life that many people go back to their original opiate of choice and jump from there. Suboxone withdrawls usually wait to hit until about 4 or 5 and will last about 30 to (eek) 40 days! Albiet not as severe as standard opiate withdrawls, the anxiety and unbeatable insomnia nearly broke me. I ended up going back to percs(I only had 8 of them) and then i jumped from there. Called my doc and got a script for Ativan and I am getting better everyday. Good luck and God Bless.
I feel your pain, friend! They're going to pull out ALL my teeth in a week or so, and I have to prepare for the Vicodin. My Dr. had me on 120/30mg Oxicodone ,and Fentanyl patches... bla bla, bla... switched to suboxone..3, read it 3-8mg sublingual strips a day!!! Man, I was buggin'. Just like EVERYONE else, I was yelling "man, this stuff is great!". My body, and we're all different, right?, but my body pecieved it as PURE SPEED!!! I went from 210lbs. to just above 150 in LESS THAN A MONTH AND THE DR. REFUSED TO CHANGE ANYTHING!! IN A PANIC, I DID THE ONLY THING I COULD DO..I JUST WENT BACK TO MY PAIN MEDS. iT WORKED UNTIL THE next Dr. PUT ME ON methadone. I already know I'm going to be challenged by the return to pain pills, but, damn it!, what are we to do? You are right about Suboxone being a scam. Trading one addiction... NOT YOUR FAULT... for another, more expensive..HARDER TO KICK than ANYTHING I've ever been on..
if there is a law suit going out there... I want in. My CARE GIVERS damned near killed me. I don't hold out much hope for things going back to the way they were when I was healthy, but, GOD willing... that stuff is poison! Stay away from it!! Good luck friend. Signed, R
So sorry to hear this pattern. If you made it to day twelve without Suboxone you really should have been past the worst of it. I know how it wears a person down though. The thing to keep in mind is that universally for the first three weeks each day should bring slight improvement even if only very slight. Remembering those first five to eight days should help because taking any of that drug again invites those truly hellish days in a future withdrawal.
That said, maybe you just aren't ready to stop. It takes being completely resolved. Honestly being fed up and angry at the inconvenience and cost of the drug don't hurt either. This from experience.
Some good hints: obtain something for use a few days out so you can sleep. If you don't accomplish sleep every night, you miss your chance to not suffer for six to twelve hours. Sleep is also vital to getting the receptor/squelching system repaired most quickly. Obviously, obtain it from your Dr..
You hurt everywhere but be careful with IBU and APAP they can paradoxically jack up your temp. which is up anyway from withdrawal.
get specially coated aspirin for use on the aching. it doesn't seem to cause the fever like the other two.
Have a digital thermometer near your bed. This will help you understand the source of the discomfort better. If you feel off and on really crappy especially after first two weeks the fever spikes may be doing it.
Make yourself do some exercise or at least some real house work every day. You may not even be able to finish what you start all at once but your body needs to know what's expected of it. Lying there is inviting real problems.
Believe it will end. If you ever let yourself think you can't take it, your trying to justify relapse. Any reasonably healthy human can do this with almost no risk.
I stopped Suboxone at home cold turkey after four years on it at six to eight mg /day. Sucks! but if you are mentally ready you can do it.
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