I believe my mother has paranoid schizophrenia but she is resistant to even going to a family counselor with me. She doesn't trust doctors and doesn't think there is anything wrong with her. How can you get someone help that doesn't think they need help? She's not suicidal yet but she said if she realized that the voices and everything she believed wasn't actually real, then she would be suicidal.
Until she does something to harm herself or another there isn't much you can do. If that occurs you can go for a court committment, but otherwise she has say so about how she is treated. I know its a sorry world when loved ones can't get help for their family member when they know they need help, but the family member is too sick to know it.
Talk with her some more. You can't make anyone who doesn't want help get help but maybe if you keep talking with her about it she will realize she needs help. I had to hit rock bottom before I got help for my disorder & I hate to say this but that's what she may need to realize she needs help.anymore question just ask. I hope this helped some what.
Hello rystall70. The paranoid schizophrenic is one of the more/most difficult diagnosis to treat. There is a way for her to receive an opinion. Have a close friend of hers (one that she feels very must at ease and trusts and values). When in a down cycle for the illness has its cycles, when say she is more or most in reality of her senses, and able to process reality. then have her friend take her to a doctor/therapist. Or if possible have the necessary doctor visit her at her residence. Best of wishes to you and your mother, pledge
You can't force anybody to get medical care-federal law. As in the case of the theater shooter in Colo. The doctor reported that person to be dangerous and nobody would do anything. Even when they go in on their own, mentally ill people often stop taking medication because they start feeling better and think they don't need medication anymore.
Perhaps, if you worked on this as dementia, you might get more help for her. Your mother is not saying that she's suicidal, she's saying that she wants to live in her world-if her world disappears then she wants to commit suicide. With dementia-the families that have the best relationships are those that accept the alternate reality instead of arguing about their reality. If a parent doesn't recognize their child- and thinks their child is a friend and wants to talk about how wonderful her daughter is-let the dementia patient talk and be happy.
Insisting that you are her daughter and it is 2012 just scares the patient, causes more anger and paranoia in the patient.
There are support groups for people that have mentally ill relatives, where you can talk. Fighting about making her go to counseling is just going to make her more paranoid.
This acceptance is also the Native American way. My son had a bad breakdown, and was hospitalized. My Native American daughter-in-law went to visit him and he was busy talking to an empty chair-Fred. When my daughter-in-law visited him, she asked how Fred was doing-and told the staff to respect her religion. After a few weeks, my son asked where "Fred" was. The staff told him that Fred was discharged. Later my son realized that Fred didn't exist. There wasn't any reason to upset my son while he talked to "Fred". My son got comfort from "Fred".
many people will disagree with me, but it's something for you to consider. If she can pay her bills or show any type of financial competency-that will be in her favor. if she can't handle her money-that might be a way, but you'll be spending lots of money. I know you love your mother, but you can't rope her, hog tie her, throw her on the back of your pack mule, and expect a doctor to do anything. If she stops feeding herself, becomes a threat, or is a danger to herself- then you can do something-usually call 911. By law-you can't even talk to her doctor, unless she signs a release. You aren't the only one worried and scared with a situation like this.
So sorry you are dealing with this. Are you certain she is not taking street drugs? Just asking. It is good to know that something isn't causing this.
There is nothing you can do to get her to help except if she is acting very crazy and clearly hallucinating. At that point you can call 911 and tell them she is out of control with a hallucinatory behavior and you fear for her safety. But once she is at the hospital it really depends on how they are staffed and what you do to talk with the doctors.
Sadly, no one changes unless they want to. There are people on this site who deal with severe mania and will tell you that later they sure wanted help and how tough it is, but when in the depths of the illness, their world is different from ours and they often do not understand their need.
It is important that you see a counselor or therapist and discuss this with them. You can work on an individual plan of how to protect yourself, others and her. Remember that she may become paranoid and think you are plotting against her. Be sure to tell her the truth and don't try lying that you are looking for help. She will understand you are lying and will respond fearfully. Be gentle, even though difficult to do. Show love, even if rejected, and please get some help as you wait for her to be ready to get help too.
Hate to say but this is a tough one!!
My father may he rest in peace had issues with doctors, all of his life wouldn't go to doctor's if his life depended on it, some people are like that, they just don't feel not only just mental health wise but for any type of doctors treatment, they just prefer to deal with there issues on there on, I don't no if it's a matter of them feeling like someone has control over them or what, my dad passed at the age of 79 from parkinsons disease, and my sister had to have nursed aid come to house cause he wouldn't go to doctor's that is how much he didn't want to go, sometimes I would thing he was afraid of what he was going to find out health wise and sometimes I thought it was he didn't like the fact of someone having control over him, I remember as a kid, he use to pull his own teeth that is how much he didn't want to go to doctor's, some people have and some don't have a phobia that the doctor may make them worse... etc... just trying to give u another perspective on how people think like my dad... I in my opinion say u can't force her to take meds, go to the doctors. etc... so the next best thing if it were me is to shower her with love and caring and do things together etc... not saying u r not, I truely believe u love ur mom or u wouldn't be on here, but like everyone else said u can't force her, so until she makes the decision on her own, why not make the best out of your relationship with her, try and take her places, do things, watch movies, anything to distract her mind from negativity, help her live her and your life to it's fullest until she one day might just surprise u and ask u to take her to counseling, in my opinion the more u put the heat up the more she is going to resist, so just make the best of the time u guys have till she does make the right choice... this is my opinion and how I would approach it if my parents were still with me... GOD BLESS U AND YOUR MOM... I WILL PRAY FOR U 2 TO BUILD THE STRONGEST BOND TO WERE SHE DECIDES TO GET HELP... IN THE MEAN TIME ENJOY LIFE WITH YOUR MOM... good luck and please keep us updated u all in this community/family care about all of u...
I am handling the same exact situation, unable to remember my name my mother faces the same situation. There are ways to help her, gain power of attorney over her. Yes this may seem unethical but when you're in this kind of situation anything can help. Once you have custody of her you're then able to help her into a mental facility where they will help her slowly. Instead of her ending up wanting to be homeless from the paranoia.
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