Hello everyone. I need to vent, and I could use some encouragement to keep doing the right thing here. I've been dealing with a bad tooth for over a month now. It broke 3 weeks ago and the gum below it became badly infected. I really swelled up for a few days. Until I took some Amoxicillin, which helped, but the tooth needed to be pulled. I went to an oral surgeon last week but he couldn't extract a tooth from an infected gum. I never knew that. He cut my gum to drain pus out and gave me more Amox to take. He also gave me 20 Percs and I never even filled the script. Today the doctor finally removed the busted up tooth, and it sure gave him a hard time. It hurt even though I was all numbed up. He gave me more Amox and another 20 Percs. This time I filled the script. Last week, I did take 2 of the 7.5 Percs which I had saved from last year. I like to keep a few pain pills around in case of emergencies. Here's the problem. I'm on 12 mg a day of Sub. I take it for pain. I'm also opiate dependent, but I became this way because of pain, not fun and games. So last week I don't think I even felt the Percs I took at all. But worse than that was about 4 hours later I went into mild wds. Luckily I was able to get rid of them by taking extra Sub. I took it very slowly. So I know very well that a) The Percs may not even work for my pain, and b) Taking Percs will put me into wds. And I hate wds. So why did I even bother to fill the script? To top it off 1 of my pharmacists had a snide remark about me just dying to get the Percs and go take some. Which is not at all true. I just wanted these stupid pills for some dumb idiotic reason. I'm usually very good at analyzing myself, but I'm not sure why I wanted these since I don't intend to take them? Can it really be because I wanted to have them just in case this pain gets worse? That's what I'm telling myself. Can that really be the real reason? Or is there some other darker reason? I tend to think there is, but I really have no intentions of taking these pills. I feel like my dumb drug addict brain is telling me to take them, and that would be good for me. But last week they put me into wds. That is definitely NOT good for me. I also created myself a problem by getting them because now I have to keep resisting them. Maybe I wanted to see how easy or hard it would be to have them and not take them? I was hoping I wouldn't feel tempted, but I do. It's like when you're on a diet and you feel the food calling to you from another room. It's like these damn pills are talking to me. I think I am going to have to throw them away. Maybe I can keep 2 or 3. Any comments? (no nasty comments please)
Awe buddy, I hate to say it but it is the addict in you that wants those percs. The Suboxone is blocking all the opiate receptors so the percs can't even affect you. Wanting to have a stash or keep two or three around is pointless. Like I have said to some others, drug addicts have to change their playmates, playgrounds and playtoys if they want to stay clean. We just can't have the drug of choice around. Get rid of them, all of them. They are only going to cause you trouble sometime down the road and aren't going to bring you any relief in the present.
Hope your feeling better soon,
Hi Thor, well you know Laurie is right hon. I know what you are going thur, and you know you need to flush them. Like Laurie said its just knowing you have them just in case. And you know they are not going to help, just make you feel worse. I know about keeping it just in case, lol. You are a good person I can tell and trying so hard. But like you said its like food they are going to call your name til you flush them. Good luck and God Bless, Von
I may catch hell for this, but here goes...
The pain you were/are in sounds horrible!! I would have done the same thing my friend.
But IF the pain is gone, please oh please toss or flush those opiates?
Like Laurie said, they aren't going to work anyway. Just get rid of them Thor!!
Best wishes to you and don't be so hard on yourself!!!
Oh thor you sweet soul I hate to break it to you dear and I'm nt trying to make a snida remark but it has to be said... your human. Temptation works its way in when we are most vulnerable. You being in pain it tried t take advantage of you. Don't let it do that!!! Hon you are stronger than it is, you have prved it before and you can do it again you made new friends us and your subs and we are the nes wh will stand by you and bring you up when you are down. Not them perc's they are decieving you!!! If you go down,Go down fighting we will help you back up!!! You can d it we have faith in your stregnth. Shw us you do as well. Call a close friend tell them yu have a funeral togo to and you need them by your side. Like a dead gold fish say good bye and flush them all of them we will cheer you on you can do it. I know u can. Let us know when its done so we can cogradulate you cause I know we will take care dear we wish you good health and the stregnth we know you have. With lving care...
Hey Thor... don't beat yourself up buddy... you were in a lot of pain. We are all at risk for these situations occurring in our lives. Tooth pain is indeed horrible and it sounds as though your was even worse than horrible. With that being said... I agree that you need to throw all those percs down the drain... the Amoxicillin is working so you should feel better soon. If you can tolerate Ibuprofen u can take up to 800 mg at a time... not to exceed 2400 mg in 24 hrs period. That will really help the inflammation, which when reduce will ease the pain also.
i am curious... did at any point during this tooth ordeal were you able to discuss any of this with the sub doc... just curious what his response might have been.
Also... just wondering why the percs put you in withdrawal. did the sub, since it has a stronger affinity for the receptors, kick the oxy off? or was it the naloxone? And why after 4 hrs??
I am still considered a newbie here so please excuse but am having a hard time understanding the part about the 2 percs.
I guess it might be a good thing to ask our sub docs re: what happens in the occasion, like yours, what should be done if an emergency happens what should one do about the pain??
So... I will end the way I started... don't beat yourself up... we are all at risk.
Thanks for coming here where we can all support and encourage you.
I am going to say a very special prayer for you tonight. I hope that you sleep well and that you wake up refreshed to a new day tomorrow free or with minimal pain... May God Bless you and keep u tonight...
So sorry for the pain and the struggle. I was thinking (and then you typed it, so you were thinking it, too) I wonder if he wanted to see what he would do with the temptation? Well, you came here! So..that is good. Great, really. I am not understanding the process of how it put you into wd's (still learning here) but, the fact is it did. Which tells you, you don't want to go down that road again. I ALSO thought, and then you typed it, wonder if he will hang on to a few..just in case. Since I've had the same thoughts as you (and, kudos by the way..you told the truth here. You took 2 from your old stash, and you didn't hide the fact that you filled the script. Both extremely good signs that you are being honest with YOURSELF!) it makes me wonder if this is typical drug dependent thinking. Many of us here suffer from chronic pain, and we ended up dependent. Opiates are not our friends. Not anymore.
As Laura said, we cannot play in the same sandbox as we once did. The percs already told you they are gonna bite you in the arse, sooo..you need them for later... why?
I have always wondered (and just last week shared my scare ..and boy was I SCARED! re: possible kidney stones?!) What in the HECK am I gonna do if I need pain pills while on subs?! I did have some prescription strength ibuprofen (800mgs) and believe it or not, those darned things worked! I think the subs has taken a lot of my fibro pain, and when I had that extra pain in my back, I took the ibuprofen and it truly did help.
I think you really already know what you should do with the pills. And, the rainy day ones also. If they are calling your name from the other room, then they are up to no good. We're here, though. And we got your back. Hang out with us, okay?
Very best wishes to you, Friend.
I think you were only human. Like Sweet said-that is an awful lot of pain and no one wants to hurt! The best thing is that you didnt just gobble them down without a conscience! Dental pain is extreme and you went thru a lot and I'll admit I would have done the same. If the pain is down then be strong and get rid of them. I think you have come a long way just to recognize that it was a mistake! Like the others have said, if you keep them around they will just be a temptation. Next time, let the dentist know you are on Subs or tell your Subs Dr you are having to have painful dental work to see what they can offer. When you get rid of the pills dont flush them. What you need to do is to put them into a can or plastic jug and mix them with something unpalatable like kitty litter or coffee grounds. Wet them down enough to dissolve them up a bit to mix with the litter or grounds then throw the can and mixture away.
The best way to dispose of them is to mix them in with plaster of Paris and let it harden then throw it away but this is more expensive and better if you are disposing of a large amount of pills. You want to make sure they cannot be gotten into by someone and used or sold on the streets. You are on your way to being clean!!! Dont beat yourself up! You slipped a bit but didnt completely give in! I think that says a lot and you should be proud of yourself. A while back you probably would have went thru the whole bottle in no time without remorse, no?
Hi Thor, if they make you feel worse and you know they do then maybe you are keeping them and hoping just hoping that one day you will take one that you have lying around and it wont make you feel bad. If you dont need them matey, bin them just be strong, grab them and throw them out. You might freak out for a minute or two maybe an hour or two but after the initial 'omigosh what have i done' has subsided then you can get on with the rest of your precious pill free life. Easier said than done i know but jump on this site when you feel restless and you will get all the support you need. Good luck mate.
Hi Thor. Please do not be so hard on yourself. Isn't that what you always tell me? I just think you got them because you were able to get them and maybe you know it isn't always easy to get them. I believe you don't really want to take them but just have them there in case of an emergency or just to show yourself you don't need them. They won't even work while your on suboxone anyway and I'm sorry you experienced a slight withdrawal but that was probably to remind you of the misery that can happen. Does your dentist know that your on suboxone? I would have thought the dentist would have given you vicodin even if he doesn't know your history. Aren't perc's stronger than vicodin or maybe it's the same thing. I don't know but I'm very proud of you! I'm looking to see if you sent me a private message back:) I will send you one:)
Its normal for you to battle with yourself, its a good sign that you recognize it for what it is, and in time, resisting temptation will be easier for you. Next time, try to be honest and upfront with the dentist, who should appreciate your honesty. There are many very effective pain meds that aren't opiate-based, that can augment the suboxone for pain relief without causing withdrawal at all. Also, speak to your suboxone dr. about the possibility of increasing the suboxone slightly before any dental work is done again. Good luck to you, and try not to beat yourself up too much over the percocet dilemma. Throw them away.
Thr I hope you don't think of this. As a nasty comment I I have been thinking about you and this post since I first read it and I think in my own mind I just figured it out I put an answer that was a question on someone elses a few hrs ago and now I think I figured ut your question I was really sick n my first answer I hope this ne is right! Anyway the percs I think you got them fr the same reasn I would have, to prove to yourself your stronger than that. That u can get through anything on your own. And you are right!!! You could of maybe should of but don't have too! Like you said about dieting I love my sweets but there is times I'm happy knowing if there is fudge brownied in my cupboard and I want it ican grab a box of cereal next to it and have something healthy and be more satisfied. Is that right? You are a Damn strong person. I admire you for that. Your friend jaime. Oh thank you! Ttyl
hi,the stupid mistake started way back when you went to your dentist's office and didn't tell him or her you were on sub.maybe before that you needed to tell your sub doctor that you were going to a dentist.and before that you should have told your therapist or group and take suggestions from some else besides yourself. stupid not at all,if you didn't learn anything from that,well you can call yourself whatever you want.but just by admitting it to yourself and to us here at d.c means you make a mistake and promptly admitted it. remember hearing that somewhere ? humn? if it was easy,why would we all be here ??? subzero58
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