I am on 6 roxy 30 mg a day and 2 valium 10 mg a day. This month my doc put me one one and a half subutex once a week while taking my roxy the other 6 days of week to lower my tolerance because I can feel the second the dose of roxy wears off and I am immediately in my purse to get more or my back is in palorizing pain. This same reaction when I detoxed for 3 1/2 weeks a few months ago to get off these pain killer. Detox isn't an issue as much as pain is. My doc said he has several other patients on this same regiman. Anyone else ever heard of this?
I've never heard of anything like this - and it sounds bizarre to me. Subutex is a drug that is used to treat dependence upon other opiates. There is a set protocol to using it, else its use may make matters worse for you. Subutex is meant to be given to someone ONLY when they are in "full blown" withdrawal, or else it can bring about "precipitated withdrawals" which are horrendous. Here's a linnk to a well-informed posting about Subutex, to explain it further: https://forum.drugs.com/featured-drugs/suboxone-subutex-therapy-50887.html
By the way, I work in the substance abuse field, in a long-term treatment center - many of our clients are using suboxone or subutex, but only as a part of specific daily program for its use. It is never a drug we use for one day - or "as needed." That is using it completely inappropriately.
I also shutter to think you're routinely taking such high doses of roxys together with high doses of valium. That combination could be lethal. Both drugs affect the central nervous system, and both slow down respiration dramatically. That combination is frightening.
Please do some research on subutex - as the regimen you're on sounds quite alarming. God bless.
We have seen some posters here say their pain management doctors had added subutex or suboxone to their regimen, but they have never said that it did anything for their pain, as it blocks opiates and the Artist is right, most doctors don't give regular benzos to patients who are on opiates or subutex as it can cause slowed breathing and death from respiratory depression. Your post says he is trying to lower your tolerance, to me, just subutex blocks opiates, it will not cause you to have a lower tolerance, to me it would block opiates but you would still possibly crave them.
I am not a doctor or anything, but I was a subs patient and I can't for the life of me figure out why a doctor would give suboxone or subutex to a pain management patient, there is a form of bupenorphine that is used for pain, but it is not subs or subt, not even sure if it approved in the US for anything but veterinary care. The people who wrote here asking anyone else was on it besides them while actively in pain management treatment did not say they felt a difference in their pain level and were just as perplexed as us.
Thank you for the response. Def something I will have to look into. I thought you were NOT suppose to take benzo's while on subx and I am surprised the doc didn't mention not to take my valium that day.The doc was saying that to not take the roxy's one day a week and if afraid of withdrawal to take one and half subutex that day but the pain reduction would not be as near a relief as the roxy 30 mg so to take it on my least active day. I am not afraid of withdrawal just paralysied by pain when I take nothing. Sometimes valium by itself help the pain. The doc did not give me actual patient referrals although he has been in business a long time not a fly by night pain mang.
Just to let you know I am just making calls and appointments to use my PIP from recent auto accident that has caused even more pain in order to get maybe epideral injection and physical therapy. I had a hour and a half deep pressure point massage 6 days ago.
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