I am an active heroin user and i normally do about 4-6 bags per day. Well today I tried to induct again and i went about 32 hours from last use. I took 4mg and then waited another 3 hours and took another 4mg and I still feel no better. So being the addict that I am i went and used. Could it be that my tolerance level is to high? I was on suboxone for about 5 years on maintance 8mg per day and it worked great. I actually dropped fown to 2mg per day then 2mg every other day. Well due to a vehicle accident I had i had to get off of the suboxone because no pain medication they gave me would help me. Anyway now I need to go back to work and I can until I get myself back on suboxone and stable on it. Methodone is no choice for me I get random drug tested at work and if I am found to have methodone in my system I will lose my job. Please I need some help doing this can anyone help me. I am going to drop my tolerance level down from heroin before I try induction again. I hear so many people who do so much more heroin than I do and it works great for them. But it does nothing for me. If anyone can put me on the right track i woulf really appreciate it. Also if anyone can forward this to robert_325 so that maybe he can respond to me i will be forever in your debt. I can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.org Thank you and god bless.
Induction problems and stabilizing problems?
Added 13 Nov 2010:
I will also appreciate anyone who can help me do this induction correct. I think I really have to lower my heroin usage in tolerance level in order for this suboxone to work. So please feel free to respond to my question.
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. Next time don't just put your question in the Heroin support group. Most folks aren't in there. Put it in many groups, like Suboxone, Subutex, addiction, opiate dependence, etc. The more the better.
It certainly won't hurt to lower your Heroin tolerance, but that shouldn't be necessary. And 32 hours off dope should be enough. I think you just didn't take enough Sub. It would also be good if you could induct using Subutex, and then switch to Suboxone after the induction. BUT to do that you need the oval shaped Subutex, not the round ones. And they are hard to get. So maybe stick with Suboxone since you used it in the past.
I think it was good that you started with 4 mg. It was also right to do 4 mg again. But once you saw that 4 mg didn't cause precip wds, you needed to go up in dose. I wasn't a Heroin user, but I would guess that 4 - 6 bags a day means 16 - 24 mg of Sub will be necessary to chase the wds away. You may also need to do the spit trick with Suboxone. And you may have mild, very mild, wds for up to 10 days. That happened to me when I went onto Sub from 300 mg of Morphine a day. It also happened when I went on Sub from 60 mg of Methadone a day. So it probably will happen with Heroin too. But what you did was correct. You just quit too soon.
So do what you did again, only this time instead of going and getting Heroin, keep doing Sub. Don't go over 32 mg in 1 day. And make posts so we know what is happening.
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