Hi, I am new and today still struggling with this addiction. I have an appt Thursday with a Dr. about starting on suboxone but I am also considering in patient rapid detox. I tried methadone several years ago and knew it wasn't my answer. I have been addicted to pain meds for 20 years off and on and finally know it's recovery or death. Any advice would be helpful.
I'm hopeful that suboxone will help?
- 18 Oct 2011 by finallysurrendered
- 28 December 2011
- suboxone, opiate dependence, opiate withdrawal, pain, methadone, addiction, detox
Added 21 Oct 2011:
i just came back online and wanted to read responses (if any) to my question asked a couple of days ago. I want to explain why I was given pain meds in the first place....I have a form of advanced scoliosis which causes disc degeneration and also has caused permanent pinched nerves, bone growth on my spine,spinal stenosis (narrowing of nerve pathways) my chronic pain is legit but I've come to a place of understanding traditional medicine is not my answer for dealing w/pain due to my addictive personality. I will deal with the pain from seeking out holistic medicine, acupuncture etc. I now feel I would rather suffer the physical pain any day as opposed to being held prisoner in my addiction. I appreciate all the support and feedback all of you have given me.
Isn't suboxone nothing more than another narcotic? In fact i just looked it up and are you sure you will not get hooked on that one? Please believe me i am not judging as i take to many pills for pain myself. Why are you on the pain pills as when you get off them and you get in pain again what will stop you from starting again? A lot of us are in pain on this site and we try to help out as much as we can and as you can see i am kind of new myself but i have a wealth of information at my hands. If you need support I WILL BE THERE FOR YOU AS I AM PROUD THAT YOU WANT TO TRY AND GET OFF YOUR MEDS. WISH I COULD. Let me know if i helped or just become my friend and if you want to private message me you can. WISH YOU ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD Leron
YES Suboxone will help you, and tis NOT akin to taking more opiates!!
It will quell the cravings while stopping WD. You can taper off of it comfortably as well. You can do this as slow as you would like. It can be a challenge for some people to jump off of it, yet most have no problems.
Please read the profile of pattishan61. This may provide you with some much needed hope!!
Good luck and hang in there, our Sub experts will be around soon. Please don't listen to negative comments about Suboxone? That cannot be helpful to you at this time.
welcome to the site. Please now imagine my voice when you are reading this as kind and soothing. Suboxone works well for those who have jobs and/or other responsibilities and can not do cold turkey and are serious about opiate dependence/addiction recovery. Technically, the bupenorphone is an opiate but when it is properly used, it is an amazing tool to help the recovering addict and is considered opiate replacement therapy. Proper use entails going thru addiction therapy while you are on it, however, most subs drs are skipping that requirement and that is a dangerous corner that can lead to relapse or the person staying on it for life. You do not get high on suboxone, it quells all craving and withdrawal and blocks other opiate.
Something about how it is mixed with naloxone keeps it from converting to the strong pain reliever thebaine and I am not a dr, so I can't really explain that any further, but it does NOT test positive for opiate on drug tests, it will only show up if the test has a bupenorphine panel. It can be a life saving medication for many who want to recover and are willing to change their lives back to normal. I used it successfully and will have been off for a year on the 21rst of this month, and I did the addiction therapy. I tapered off slowly under the guidance of my counselor and dr and had NO withdrawal. I urge anyone taking subs to do the therapy as it is just as important for recovery as the subs are. I have had others argue with me about whether or not it is swapping one addiction for another but I was promised it helped heal the damaged natural pain relieving system that has crashed during opiate dependence and I swear it reset that system for me. I now can get rid of most any pain with Tylenol or Advil, before subs, those were like taking tic tacs for pain. Anyone wishing to know more about suboxone should go to YouTube.com, put the name SuboxDoc into the YouTube search bar and watch his easy to understand 2 part video on how it works in the brain and any other he has that might help. We can also help you here, if you have any other specific questions. It does work if you do it properly, I am not the only example of success, Used2be, ski801, booter 42 and UNLVGRAD all have tapered off successfully with no relapse. Thor has used subutex for many years and has chosen to stay on it for his own health and comfort, so he is an expert on it. We have also some new members on it who are supportive and give gray answers, Jillynnie, Pup6767, Coby416, and The lady from T.O. Are among them. Congrats on this decision to get help and recover, patti
I was too in the same position as you. On pain pills forever. As you may see from my profile I tried quitting cold turkey off the oxycotins but after 8 weeks i was still a mess. I started suboxone 3 months ago and am doing just fine on 2 mgs per day. They tell me it is a low dose which is fine by me. i have had no real problems and hope to begin to taper down soon. My dr. tells me to wait until i am ready. many old habits to break. I have told someone else here that after they start the suboxones they would feel just fine and I do believe if you do, you will to be on your way to recobery. It is awful the spot we have gotten our selves into but there is hope. There are many wonderful people here who have used the suboxone to become totally clean. I think if you are mentally ready you too can do it.
i wish you all the best
I was on pain pills (high dose) for several years until I finally decided it was time to quit. I was on suboxone for about 8 months. Started out at 12mgs a day and then about 4 months into it I started weaning off of it. I weaned myself down to .5 mgs a day, I did that for 2 weeks and then I stopped taking it. That was 3 weeks ago. The physical withdrawals were not as bad as the opiate withdrawals and subsided about 8 days into it. Now I'm on day 22 and I'm feeling better for the most part. I started having some depression 2 weeks ago so I started working out in the gym and that helped. I'm still not near back to 100% before I started this process but I think I'm past the worst.
It is a long process, hang in there and it will get better.
Hi there, "finallysurrendered" - I, too, struggled years with pain meds. After many years of sobriety, I relapsed from several types of pain. Because I had such difficulty getting back, I looked into rapid detox & every other method to get/stay clean. My mental health colleagues advised against rapid detox, for several reasons. Its such a shock to brain & body, both of which really need to slowly repair after abuse to the system. There ARE w/drawal symptoms, no matter what's said; and according to my sources, its an expensive "trick". Others here may feel differently.
Not saying I'm right, just wouldn't ever be my choice, after researching, and believe me, I desperately wanted to believe it was the answer, to sleep through w/drawal! So, I was reluctant to try Subox., but its been a Blessing; has removed all cravings for me, at a low dose & allowed me to stabilize my other Psych. meds, as well. Isn't the need to increase dose, because it works differently at receptor sites. It's longer acting than regular opiates & has both an opiate agonist/antagonist. So, unlike methadone, one cannot "supplement" the dosage with immediate acting opiates... they just won't work. I tried, at first! There's alot of controversy about how long to stay on them, whether we're clean or not, etc., so each person must make their own decision with the Dr. I also believe in individual, group therapy, 12 step mtgs., book work, anything that enhances our new lifestyle & encourages new thinking & acting. I'm sure I'll be ready to stop, at some point, but for my life, stress level & other disorders right now, I've been encouraged by Dr. to take it slowly. I'll know when time is right. I've stopped my impatient thinking of "it all has to happen right now"! Good luck! Jillian
while suboxone is definately better than painkillers, its worth noting a few facts while doing sub maintanence.In my experience ( im not a doctor ) i had trouble with both. Again, suboxones far better than oxy, it was nice to take a suboxone and not worry about withdrawals for ages compared to opiates. My experience was similar in a way with opiates though, as it didnt seem to matter how long i tapered and reconditioned my body, when the day came to quit and my body realised something was missing, it started punishing me! There is much advice on this and other forums about how to minimise the eventual withdrawals, and all are well intended and some may even work.
For me it almost seemed like i was swapping one dependency for another, although as stated suboxone was better than oxy. it certainly was nice to temporarily feel normal again.The option i chose however was more of a permanent one, and i did rapid detox at the Waismann method in LA. This July will be my 5 year anniversary, God willing!
I think when we are talking about choices that have ramifications for the rest of our lives we should be as well informed as possible. this forum seems more pro Suboxone, and if that works for you im honestly happy to see another escape the clutches of opiate dependency. If you have a real problem with withdrawal from suboxone, i know Waismann treats that the same way as opiate dependency ( i think part of suboxone is an opiate although i may be wrong) so there are other options out there.
just do the research but be objective as many people have agendas on specific forums. I'll be honest about my agenda up front, i hope you get off dependency however it works for you. Just letting you know what worked for me when suboxone and all else didn't. Good luck!
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