... My last drink was 4 days ago. Today I slept till 4am then had a hot shower and passed out again. I dont have any mussle spasm and restless legs whats so ever. The only thing I feel is extreme sweating. Thats pritty much it. Just to note I didint even take clonidine before I went to bed. As an advice to anyone who want to get out of this physical slavery!
Taper down depending on your own body. But usualy people taper from 100 mils and up-10 mils a week. Starting from 45mils lower 5mils a week. But remember you have to feel your body yourself. If you see you are too sick(having restless legs,agony etc) Figure out the ways with your doc. And at the same time if you eat right, you are young, used meth no longer then 3-4 years and you see that your body gets adapted faster then 7 days. Tell your docotor to make 45 for example until thursday and 40 after after. Dont let your doctor figure out how fast you should lower. Because I dont know in States but in Canada doctors are not really interested that you quit. They want there money. Thats why they are always so happy to raise your dose. Me personally I went from 35 mils to 0 in about a month and half. Sounds like a long time. But Its VERY short. My case was a little unique. I was cutting my dose 5 mills every two days. Up to 12 Mils. Thats when it slowed down. every two days I was lowering like 3 mills at a time. It is very importent to expect some sickness. Me personally I couldnt take restless legs at night. So sweating yawning didnt really bother me much as long as I could sleep at night. It is Very importent to eat RIGHT. Dont eat red meat! as its promoting more pain in your mussles. Eat ALOTS of protein(fish, chicken,duck,), fibers, fruits, vegetables. If you have hard time eating, drink shakes, multivitamines. And I am dead serious when you eat right everyday, you will notice that you feel so much better after you ate. And feel so shit when you are hungry. Also its very importent to have psysical activity. Even if you have no energy just do push ups, or walking. Actualy its winter now, it feels really shit outside BUT its actualy makes your mussle shorten, and promotes opiat receptors in your body to start working again. How to Kill anxiety? Gym, sauna, hot shower,sex(right hand whichever works:) ) Are great tools to kill the anxiety and relax your mussles. From chemicals. I would recommend clonidine. As its the only thing I used, and find it very helpfull if you cant fall asleep. If you feel like after you done your shower, exercise, and took a clonidine and you still have restless legs, means you lowered too fast. But dont get confused. Its ALOTS in your head. When I was using, I was hearing these things its all in your head etc I was getting mad(thinking you stupid idiots dont understand anything) But its actually is a fact. Its VERY importent to keep yourself occupied. Dont sit in your room while withdrawing. As its gonna bring you to the point where you feel like you dont know what else to do, running from one corner to another raising your anxiety and chance to relapse. Its very importen to do something different then you did when you used. As its gonna show like a new begining for you. Find new interest, what ever it is. Plan your day from the evening. For example I wasnt working so I had so much time free when was withdrawing(and still do) So plan something like that. I run in the morning, then go home cook breakfast, then chill, then go to gym, take a shower. Then start cooking dinner. After dinner chill, then go to sauna. When come back smoke a spliff, watch a movie prepare for bed. Thats an example of a very lazy person! :) If you find yourself feel anxious, cant sit still, Just go outside walk for a bit. U will get frozen, and when you come back you will be far more relaxed. Also its very importent to have notebook. Where you can clearly express your feelings at this moment. Also its also importen to write down all the negatives and positives of using(usualy there is not positives) Write down your worth withdrawal, how it felt. Write down what kind of person you want to become. Its importen to have short term goals while withdrawing. For example by the end of this week I will be on 30 mils then after you are done, write down the exact things you want to achive. MAKE em achivable, dont write something you cant do yet. Its very importent after you quit. To find new interest or hobby as soon as you can. As its gonna show you new begining, and keep your mind happy and occupied with a new interest. It could be ANYTHING. If you feel like using again Just take your notebook And read what you actually felt and how painfull it was. Its very importent to write it down, because through time your body forgets how painfull it is. Also expect any brainflipps and temptetions. Just take em with a smile and just say to yourself its just a test to see how strong I am, And just say no! you wont suck me in this painfull slavery again! Helps to think that its just devil talking throught another person(if someone asks you to use) Also importent to cut your "friends" so called u used with, and delete the numbers of dealers. You cant run away from them all ur life, you have to learn how to say"no" I am stronger and smarter then that! But at the early stages while your body and mind weak, it might be hard so dont try. I almost relapsed that way! Also helps to feel sad for those people who are still on. Just think of them as slaves of there own body! Learn to hate your drug. Find things that are negative(shouldnt be hard) and I am sure you wont find any positive other then running away from your own self, (which is NOT positive)! I really hope this helps. I dont think I am gonna have time to help people on a forum. So people who helped me before(christine, mpvt, chacne4real life) If you find this info usefull Fill it with your own ideas and make like ecouregment for other people) Thank you so much for all the advice These guys REALLY CARE. So if any Q. ask em, they will be happy to answer. So am I, if you dont mind. Good luck with fighting evil, And take care of yourself. Remember relapse is very common. And its SO much more harder to quit second time. Also if you use even once! after you quit. It will make you addicted the same way as you have been. Even worse. And you r gonna have much less willpower. Make sure you are READY to quit. But it doesnt mean you have to find excuses for yourself not to quit! Good luck!
Added 23 Jan 2011:
Just to add about brain flips. expect something like:
Oh I quit already. So If I did quit once I can do it the other time.
Oh I can just use it once, and then I am gonna be on lower dose and quit again
Withrawing wasnt that bad, you are strong, can do it the other time
Oh I lowered to 40 mills(ex.) And I didint feel that sick, just using once wont do any harm, I promise I wont drink any methadone while using.
Just dont forget that after reading this. You will find new reasons. Devil in your head is very creative. So what ever voice you are hearing about using. Doesnt matter how right it is at that time is nothing else as (BAD MIKE ex.) in your head
Added 23 Jan 2011:
Wondering how long this sweating and yawning gonna go for?I am drinking detox drops now. Want to kick it out of my system as soon as possible! I stopped at 2 mils of meth
Added 23 Jan 2011:
Its funny. Already wrote down that I dont have any restless legs. I guess when I was writing that, the time didint come yet:) I tried to sleep this night, especialy after I had detox drops and I think it kicked out all "half-life" methadone I had left in my system. So basicly through the whole night I fell asleep maybe for about 3 hours max. Taking in consideretion I took 2 clonidines(weaker white ones though) I kind of didint have waves of pain going through my legs and hands, but I kept rolling in bed, the more I rolled the more anxious I became. Its importent to try to lay down on that side, try stop thinking about it, think of something positive. I completely understand that sometimes you just cant do it(pain goes on too often) and me personally I had this feeling that there is something missing in my brain, and when I feel that, thats when the wave starts going. This night though after I drank clonidine I kind of didint really have that. Legs were fine, but I was so "sober" that my eyes kept opening up. And I kept rolling in bed. Now its 6 am. Have nothing else to do, other then writing my expirience. Sweating this morning is much less though. Regarding lowering your methadone. I would NOT recommend to stop at 2 mils(as I did) Because I think its still too much(maybe doesnt sound like it, but it is for your body, methadone is VERY strong)Just keep cutting half a mill a day starting from 5 mills.(Usualy in pharmacy you CANT do that(1mil is minimum), but if you have carries you can just break it with half water, if you have a drink (there are messures on on a back of the bottle) Or even if you have to do supervised drink, or pill tell your doctor to make 1 mill and then just put the rest in the garbage(if they say something tell them its your problem you cant make 0.5 mill messures) You shouldnt give a fuck about your pharmacy at this point. Because if you are on 1 mill. That weeks prescription is gonna be your last one most likely. And I cant say for sure. But I think you HAVE to expect some restless legs even if you drop from 1 to 0 or 0.5 to 0. Because your body needs a push, for your receptors to start working.(as a proof, I think if you drink 1 mill of methadone everyday, you will get addicted even to that one mill) And one day your body is gonna end up having no methadone in your system. But I am gonna tell you right now these restless legs(I have now) are nothing comparing to those withdrawals I felt before(and pain was MUCH stronger, and kept going on and on, driving me nuts) Basicly starting from 12 mills, my withdrawals went on a weaker level. Any way jusy sharing what I am going through now...Good luck
Added 25 Jan 2011:
Just to add. This is my 7th days without methadone. Withdrawals are almost done. Sweating has suddenly stopped as of today. I still had mussle aces in the morning. I kind of thought that sweating and yawning is something that comes after restless legs, and mussles aces are done. But its the other way around! For the first 3 days without methadone, I was sweating like a maniac, and didnt have restless legs, so I though thats it, I wont have it again. But the guy who actually said, that your withdrawals didnt even start yet was right!!!! First I started having restless legs at night, then during the day and night. Then sweating started to go on downlow as of yesterday, I drank these trazodone. They actually made me feel relaxed, but the way I slept was the same as I didnt even drink it(woke up at 3am, then drank another querter, fell asleep untill 6-30. I dont know what I would feel without them. But on sundays I slept the exact same way. 3 hour sleep,wake up, then another 3 hour sleep. The way Iam feeling now, I think my withdrawals are pritty much done. Feel relaxed, no sweating yawning or mussle aces. Even though just yesterday I felt anxiety big time, even though I had weed. I just wanna make it clear. I dont want to scare anyone away! These restless legs I am talking about are nothing compared to what I felt when I was sick on 35 mill dose. Withdrawal level depends on what dose you stop. As I am thinking now stopping at 2 mills is two early. I would suggest to go to 1 mill atleast. This way i dont think you will have restless legs at all. Just dont forget 1 or 2 mills doesnt sound like a big difference. But if you think about it its a HALF of your dose!!(if you are on 2 mils ex.) So IT IS a big difference!
Added 26 Jan 2011:
By the way sorry for my grammar ! English is not my first language!( this way I explain me been a fuck up in school ;) )
Added 26 Jan 2011:
YESSSS, SEEMS LIKE I AM DONE! At night had a clonidine, actually slept for five hours, its 3 am now. Pritty sure will fall a sleep again in a bit. Sweating is done, restless legs are done. Christine: About PAWS. I think thats what I was feeling for the last three days. I didint have any cravings but anxiety, cant sit still, thoughts that I am sick of withdrawing etc. I think the info I got about temptetions, and anxiety is more then enough for me not to relapse in a future. Plus I met a girl in pharmacy, She said she was done with methadone, And then she took ONE (40) oxycotone and she was back where she started. Just ONE time use brings you back! And she said its so much harder for her to quit now. Because she said that if you quit, then start again. Brain takes methadone as something you cant live without. She said she feels cravings in a head much more etc. Same as my ex girlfriend. She went to Africa for abogain(if someone doesnt know: its a plant growing in africa: they use it to talk to Gods etc, strong halucinogen, and proven(not clinicly) to take ALL the withdrawals after you come back from a trip. She was on 70mills methadone. Ended up paying 10 000$ for all the expenses. She was tripping for 3 days(someone was supervising her ofcourse :)) When she came back she had NO ADDICTION. And she was stupid enough to use right after she came back to Toronto! So now to be honest I dont see her quiting methadone. Its like her best friend now! She can live for 2 month not using, but once she has extra money she will be happy to use again. By the way she was ignorent enough to call me yesterday asking where to get dope. And she knows I quit! Told her to stay out of my life. Thats the only way. People who use once in a while are MORE dangerous then those who use all the time. Because you can hang out with a person not using drugs, and then one day when you might be in a bed mood or whatever, the person may decide to use. Thats when fighting evil in your head gets a little tricky! So as a reminder for my self and others, stay away from people you used with, unless they quit together. This way you can encourage each other. And still I dont think its a good idea, because other person relasping gives you an example to relapse.
Added 26 Jan 2011:
It would be SOO stupid for me to use ever again. Basicly I would have to start programs from the begining. Loosing ALL 6 carries. Its not worth it. I hated methadone when I had full carries, and hated it even more when I had to go to pharmacy every day. So big no no! :)
Added 26 Jan 2011:
It took me 6 month to get 6 carries. So I can imagine how many more best years of my life I would have to burn!
Added 26 Jan 2011:
Also VERY IMPORTENT. Dont try to quit two or three things at a time. For example if you are quting methadone and you smoke weed, better buy half ounce and get ready! :) Same thing with cigarettes. Because withdrawing from methadone and having anxiety, cravings for cigaretes and weed can be too MUCh for your brain. please dont try. In most cases people end up qutting none of what they tried. Me personally, I dont know how I would be able to do it without weed. Also if you dont smoke weed-DONT START. It will not do any good to you other then relax you for 30 min, and actualy might get you really paranoid. Also if you smoke cigaretes-dont smoke before bed time, as its raising your blood pressure and make you feel more sick. I tested it on my own body!All I am saying quit one thing at a time. For example my friend quit smoking weed a while ago. So for him withdrawing without weed is even better(he has less paranoia). For me as a pothead its the opposite. Without weed I start having anxiety, running from one corner to another!