... medication. first my dosing was off and then my dr moved and i had to find a new one (not an easy thing to do at all) then to top that off my addictionologist moved . he gave me some great advice over the past 5 years and one thing he told me was to take an extra 1/2 suboxone only when i get extremely anxious i have only had to do this a few times over the years but now i am afraid that my new dr will see me as not trying to recover. and will be upset if i run out of my med early. i have worked too hard for my sobriety for it to be pushed back now. i have tried to detox myself off of suboxone several times and have worse withdrawls than i did with the lortabs i am just very frustrated with this medicine and the situation!!! does any one have any advice on if they have ever been told to do this for anxiety and if i should mention this to my new dr or not??? and how long has others been on suboxone and any secrets to coming off this crazy med!!!
If you will click my avatar or name, it will take you to my page, where I have a profile story, in it I list my whole suboxone story including all tips I used to taper off of it. Please also Google the Clinical Opiate Withdrawal Scale. You will need to periodically refer to the COWS sheet, to prove you are not in true withdrawal. Not being afraid will help, and seeing this logically will help, you are reversing the tolerance for subs, you are on a suboxone brain diet so to speak, when you taper. It should be done slowly, you likely went too fastd had some symptoms and fear magnified the minor symptoms and made it seem much worse and the task insurmountable. It can be done, I promise. Slowly and surely you will tread. Do NOT IGNORE the advice to do e safe regular exercise while you taper, it helps you stabilize at a lower I i have coached a few others on the way I did it and those who exercised did fine, little to no withdrawal. It is too hard to retype the plan I used, so go read profile story for the schedule and tips I used. Good luck, patti
There is a lot of different thinking going on with Sub. There is finally some new prescribing taking place with Sub too. There is even a human study being done to test the opiate, Buprenorphine, for use with depression. (I personally think the study was designed wrong on purpose so that Bupe will not be shown to help depression. But I have been known to be wrong and I hope I am) Many docs now know Sub helps some people with depression. And maybe more to the point is that Sub, or the Bupe to be specific, helps many of us to feel better about ourselves, and that removes the need to want to take other drugs. However, I was never told to take extra Sub for anxiety. In fact I find anxiety to be the symptom that Sub is the least effective against. However, it is better than nothing. What I am getting to is that some docs believe in Sub maintenance for life, with some people. I'm one of those people.
I was first given Suboxone in July of 2004. I had a bad reaction to the Naloxone and my feet and lower legs became badly swollen. I then switched to Subutex, and the next 5 years were the best 5 years of my adult life. I also have chronic pain and Buprenorphine has been shown to be effective against pain. That's why they now make the Butrans patch. However, we are having a hard time getting the FDA to approve sub lingual Bupe, as Subutex or Suboxone, for anything other than addiction. But I was never an opiate addict. I only took pain pills when I broke a bone or was injured and I stopped them when I healed. But in 2002 I developed nerve damage that causes a constant pain, and that was what lead me to being on Sub. But since the FDA is being so stubborn on this issue, doctors have to do some creative diagnosing so we can have insurance coverage, and to keep the authorities off their backs. Once upon a time in America a doctor could prescribe anything he deemed right for his patients and only a group of other doctors could question him. Gone are the days.
What I'm saying is I have been depressed since I was a child, and I have not felt good about myself since I was a teenager, and I had been trying to medicate myself for this all my life. Nothing ever worked. Nothing I tried, nor what docs tried. And then they gave me Sub. I think it took close to a year for this effect to occur, or for me to realize it, but I finally feel normal. Not depressed and not always hating myself. I'm not willing to give this up, and it's the first thing I tell a new Sub doc. I have to remind them I'm not there for opiate addiction, because I wasn't an opiate addict. I remind them I'm in pain, and Sub works wonders on my depression. So I do try and get the dose as low as possible, because after all these years I know low doses feel better than large ones. But my doc gives me enough for extra.
I'm wondering if you are another person like me and no one ever told you some people are planning to stay on Sub for life? If you are I want to encourage you to tell your doc that Sub has helped you in ways that nothing else can. If I'm wrong, Pattishan devised a very good method of tapering off Sub. But if going off Sub means becoming depressed again, or always wanting to take something to make bad feelings go away, then you are probably better off staying on it. I was actually off it all of 2010 and the year culminated with me trying to end myself. So my doc knows what happens if I go off this stuff, and now I do too. I don't always like being on it. But I'm better off this way. So think about whether or not you are too?
Everyone is so different when it comes to meds and how long they are on them. I mean, the basics are there, as far as what it's supposed to do for you, but you are right, everyone's situation is different. If you click on any of our avatar's you can read about our personal experiences. I can tell you that I was induced on sub in 2005 and , actually, as of today, I am 4 months off of sub(I jumped off at 1mg on 9/11/11) My Dr did not recommend that I do that. I did it partially bc I believed my Dr would have NEVER taken me off(as I was another method of steady montly income for him) and bc I wanted OFF! I was tired of the dependance. It is a good med IMO to delay W/Ds from pain meds and keep you sober,but eventually, if you don;t wean off slowly, youa re gonna have some sort of W/Ds.
My Dr told me to take it if I was anxious, depressed, feeling fatigued, you name it. And when I jumped off..I DID feel anxious, depressed, fatigued, you name it..so eventually, I had to face those feelings. I feel those feelings are all part of being human. We addicts like to cover those feelings up.
Everyone here will support you, regardless of your reasons and your choices for stayiing on sub, or getting off. We understand. I UNDERSTAND! :)
One suggestion, if you feel anxious and youa re physically able, go for a walk, or run or whatever resources you have available to work off some of that anxiety. It will help.
If you choose to get off sub, there are ppl here who can take you on a wean down so you have minimal w/ds. If you jump off..I can tell you that it will be hard at first..but at 4 months..I am honestly feeling SO good, and so energetic that I don't regret for one second my choice to jump!
Hope my post helped..
I have not been on Suboxone, so I can't comment on that (other than to tell you that Pattishan gives great advice! I've seen her help many people). As far as the anxiety question, I'm a firm believer in that the truth always sets you free. Your new doctor can elect whether or not to continue treating the anxiety this way, but if you tell him up front that your old provider did allow this, there's nothing he can think badly of you about. Your previous doctor was the one that decided to allow this, not you - so you can't be blamed for that. If you don't tell your new doctor about it and end up coming up short - then you're in a real mess. Who knows - your new doctor may continue to permit you to do this, or have another way of managing your anxiety that turns out to be even better.
If not, then there are other alternative healthcare solutions to help manage your anxiety - with herbal, homeopathic remedies, supplements - there are many very effective treatments to try. So don't despair, and do tell your new doctor. Keeping secrets just results in more anxiety and makes life a lot harder, you know!!! Best wishes - ElizaJane
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