... 200mg zoloft, 2mg of klonopin and I also take suboxone cause I did mess with O/C's, but it helps with cravings for alcohol and keeps me honest with the opaites.. I want to get off the suboxone but my theripist thinks its to early. I'm down to 4mg suboxone a day. The problem is that i feel that i need more klonopin or another benzo to kept me from crawling out of my skin. My doctor wont give me any more benzos. Should i get some off the street or try to deal with this. I can;t sit still. Any thoughts
I am a recovering alcholic and I have the worst anxiety, depression and OCD. My doctor has me on?
- 1 Jul 2010 by Hitman23
- 10 December 2012
- klonopin, suboxone, zoloft, depression, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, panic disorder, social anxiety disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, alcohol, anxiety and stress, night terrors
Although I can't relate to the addiction issue, but I can relate to the anxiety and depression, as well as the need for more Klonopin, and the refusal. I was at 2mg, and at one point, I had a severe need for an increase (like you, crawling out of my skin, in addition to several panic attacks per day). He said that there is no way that he would prescribe me another benzo, or even slightly up the current dosage. It was a nightmare - and I feel for you!!! He tried giving me an anti-psychotic medication that has a tendency to cause tardive dyskinesia, (the involuntary movements of tongue protrusion, lip smacking, fingers twitching among other things), and I said no thanks! I've seen the guys who have that condition, and I find it well beyond creepy. Especially when it's a condition that is irreversible! He got mad, and told me that there was nothing else that he could do for the anxiety.
I then got a random prescription for a strong form of Melatonin! WTF!!! I didn't have sleep problems, and that was soooo random on his part. This left me with no choice but to switch doctors. I wanted to keep all of my doctors in the same hospital group, and the next appointment available with a different psychiatrist, recommended to me by my primary doctor was a month away! The first appointments are much more involved, and they spend a long time going over everything, so it can be hard to schedule the first, after that, it's easy. There was no way that I could wait that long, so I found a psychiatrist that I was able to see right away, and he prescribed me 4mg of Klonopin per day - very few questions asked, and had more of the attitude of what drug do you need and how much do you want. It sort of felt like I could have gone shopping if I wanted, very very shady! The building was falling apart, and the waiting room was the hallway. Not what I was looking for in a quality doctor, so I kept the original appointment with my original medical group, explained exactly what I did and my reasons why (the last thing that I wanted was to be flagged out for doctor shopping) The new doctor immediately upped the dosage to 4mg as well, and also found that my extremely painful fibromyalgia that was being poorly treated had many many other options that were not even looked into. We ended up giving a low dosage of methadone a try - just 20mg per day, and the pain almost completely stopped. He then augmented the Methadone with a couple other meds and solved the problem (felt an increase of the methadone was too risky)! We eventually lowered the Klonopin to 3mg, as 4mg seemed to be a bit much for me.
I apologize for my novel length response, but I really really would encourage for you to see a different doctor, one who is a bit more understanding, and one who knows that sometimes you just have to do what's the correct thing, regardless of fears of the fda - or whatever my original psychiatrists problem was. There are very few things worse than severe anxiety, it's simply awful! I wouldn't buy the Klonopin off the street, but would just get to a different doctor asap, and be totally honest with him / her so that they can help you in a much better way!
I think that some doctors forget how painful some of these conditions can be, and don't really realize that by them not helping, or giving out any worth while options is not being a good doctor. I actually don't get along with my current doctor, and find him way too cocky and condescending, however, I overlook all of that due to the fact that he more or less fixed me, and is well beyond an excellent doctor. Due to me being prescribed so many controlled substances (Methadone, Klonopin, Lyrica, Nuvigil, and Tramadol (not technically scheduled, but it is a watched substance)), I have to pick up my prescriptions 2 days prior to running out, along with renewals every month vs. refills on most of them. He says that it helps cover his end a bit with the fda, and ultimately, I do believe that he's taking a risk on me.
Good luck, and I hope that things work out for you!
Hey Hitman, I have been on suboxone for a while and I am down to 1 to 1.5 mgs per day. I also have panic/anxiety disorder and quit benzos when I went on suboxone. I know how bad anxiety feels and thought I would mention that self hypnosis cds or tapes that I listened to helped me a lot. You can find them at any book store and they usually are not expensive at all. They have some targeted for anxiety and sleeplessness. You may be able to use biofeedback to help as well. Even if you stay on the benzos, self hypnosis could be a big help to you. I have gone to several counselors for the anxiety and each one has helped. I take nothing for it now. Self hypnosis is nothing like you see on TV or in Movies. It is controlled breathing, deep relaxation, and concentration.
If you have ever been engrossed in a movie, book, or by playing music to the point where you are so "into it," that you are aware of things going on around you, but don't care or interact, that is self hypnosis. Hope things get better soon. It wouldn't hurt to see a different doctor, I don't know if I would start buying Kolonopin off the street as that has it's own set of problems.
NO, NO, NO on getting anything off the street. That is waaaay too dangerous and too expensive. You have quit the demon of alcohol, and for that, you should be commended. Don't blow your success by "copping" on the street and winding up in jail where, incidentally, you'll be lucky to get a tylenol. This may sound sophmoric, but, have you tried any form of exercise where your heart rate is elevated for 20 minutes or longer. I promise you, it goes miles to eliminate a lot of physical stress. I do not take any anti-depressants such as zoloft, so I cannot speak on the effectiveness of them, nor do I know how much alcohol you consumed and for how long.
And I don't want to dismiss your real feelings by passing you off to a self-help group, but it sounds as if you do have a decent amount of medications working for you to eliminate a lot of the physical symptoms, so at this point, I have to throw in the dreaded: "Have you tried a self-help group such as A/A or N/A?" I prefer A/A because they understand the specifics of alcoholism, but N/A operates from the same 12-step paradigm. Either one is great for meeting folks who have been where you are and you can bat around your ideas and get some good feedback from folks who have "been there/done that" but most importantly, they survived and from what I've seen, are actually HAPPY!!! Can you imagine that? Happy? Incidentally-You owe yourself a chip or perhaps a few, because quitting drinking is, whether or not you realize it, a colossal feat and one that you should be exceedingly proud of. Go get your chip and revel in your success. You overcame the odds to become the exception to the rule and now you should celebrate it. Many, many congratulations! Try these things, and then go to the doctor and have a heart to heart and find out what he/she says about your meds.
Hi Hitman! I'm pulling for you. I have a question for you... When you have these "crawling out of my skin" feelings, do you ever just sit through them without acting on them? I ask because I have a history (among many other things) of bulimia, where once I binged, even if it was merely consuming 2 doughnuts, (which is hardly a binge by anyone's standards), but for a bulimic with caloric standards that are unrealistically unachievable (like 500 per day-yeah, right-like anyone could even live off of that: a doughnut alone probably tips the scales at over 500 calories, there were times when mortified, I was unable to binge and HAD TO SIT WITH THAT FEELING. It was beyond unbearable, and yet I did it. And what I found was... I lived. And not only did I live, but by not giving into my behavior, I gained just the tiniest of power over my thoughts, which, as we all know, are responsible for our behavior. The world did not come to an end.
I felt like a loser and a big fat cow, but it was a small step toward confronting a fear that plagued me daily and especially nightly as I dreamed of binging where I was not allowed to purge. I have been bulimia-free for many many years, yet I still have dreams that I have binged and am unable to purge. I wake up with what feels like an extended belly, only to find, (gratefully) that the incident never occurred. My point is that our feelings are merely that-feelings. Don't act out on them and they lose their power. Like anything else, anything that we don't feed, will starve. Sometimes we have to sit feeling wretched for a while to see if we can do it, and the good news is, YOU CAN. Feelings pass. Throughout the course of one day, you may feel thousands of feelings. In my case, with my anxiety, I didn't feel a variety of feelings-just the one. And it went on for more days than I care to remember. That's how I knew it was probably time to get some medical help. There is nothing wrong with prescription drugs as long as they are #1: Diagnosed properly, #2 Monitored closely, #3 Taken as prescribed (the right amounts and what they were meant for and for the person they were prescribed for, #4 Used in conjunction with other methods so that it does not become a life-long necessity, and finally, FOLLOW-UPS ARE MANDATORY. I also have to state that you must be 100% honest with your physician. They cannot help you if you are not honest. Groups help because they eliminate the feelings that you are alone. You would be pleasantly surprised how "normal" you are when you find so many other folks who are going through exactly what you are. Lifelong friendships can and do get made in these groups.
I am also in recovery, on methadone, and take xanax prn for panic. And many if not most in the fellowship who find this out tell me I'm not in real recovery.
My personal experience re.: the klonopin is that once I was on a theurapeutic dose of about 1.5-2mg - and I had 3 different docs at different times who brought me upwards of 4mg- adding more klonopin is not helpful especially long-term due to increased tolerance, and short term had me ovver sedated yet unable to sleep, unmotivated, and even more depressed. So hate to say it but your Dr probably knows what hes doing. Mine also keeps strict tabs on my benzo usage.
Hi Hitman23, i enjoyed drinking too for 4yrs i would drink 2-3 times a week usually just only 6 16oz cans of budweiser or busch the last 6 months i uped the beer dose to a 12pack 3 times a week that was my paradise for me drink and listen to early 70s classic rock i been forcefully sober since febuary 2012 i nearly had a seizure from a bad hangover one morning I had a few seizures from 2004-2005. That bad morning i had in feb2012 gave me bad anxiety im currently taking a low dose of .25mg xanax . try eating some coriander to help you prevent seziures and drink chaomille tea along with your benzo that works well for me helping me sleep. Its been 2 1/2 yrs since you first posted this i hope your life is better now hitman
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