He had no luck with concerta. Grandson is 8years old.
Hi dana, and I appreciate where you are coming from. Actually they have proven that diet can really help ADHD, and mood disorders. I know how you feel about your grandson being on medication, especially so young an age, and I don't blame you for looking into every route!!! I also understand the precarious situation that you are in being that it is your grandson. I would collect all the studies (google "diet for ADHD" to start), and go from there to provide proof to your grandson's mother that diet does help tremendously. Unfortunately, with today's "Mc Crops", there is no crop rotation anymore except at local farmers markets, and they deplete the soil. Also, with the prepared foods, you are basically getting no nutritive value to your food. That's why you have to go back to the basics, and without pesticides if possible.
There is no quick fix in this matter, but because of the rampant epidemic of ADHD, and mental illness in children, they are finding that a good portion of it is diet. Best wishes to you! I hope that you find the answers that you are looking for.
Seems funny to me that he behaves at school but has a hard time at home. My son was ADHD and he was a nightmare in both. In fact, they were ready to kick him out of 1st grade when I decided to take him to the psychiatrist for testing. We were lucky and Concerta worked well right away. If your grandson was truly ADHD, he would have issues at school too where rules are even more rigid than at home what with having to sit still in class and interact with others. My son was very agressive too but he was fighting at school and fighting his brother, and his brothers friends, at home and defying his teachers as much as he was me and his father. We tried all the discipline in the world up to and including spanking his little butt, time outs, behavior charts, rewards-you name it we tried it. We tried behavior modification and I did try to monitor his diet too-at one point we cut out sugar, red food colorings, high fructose corn syrup and some other things.
I knew he had a problem he couldnt control when he popped a kid in the face for no apparent reason (I take that back, Nathan always had a reason, it may not have been apparent to the adult though, but to his mind there was a good reason) Anyway, I took his stuffed penguin away. He LOVED LOVED this penguin. He slept with it, ate with it, played with it. He cried ALL night about his penguin because I wouldnt give it back to him to sleep with. He swore up and down he would never hit another kid and would behave himself at school. He cried and moaned all night. Well, first thing back at school, the very next morning, he hit another child. I realized then it was beyond a discipline or control issue. We went to the psychiatrist. It took a few to find a good one but we finally found a really good one. At one point, she left our insurance and I paid cash out of pocket for him to continue to go to her.
With your grandson though, I wonder that his behavior is good at school and bad only at home. This does not sound like ADHD. It sounds to me like he has an anger issue toward someone at home, be it his mother, father or sibling or something or someone. If he were ADHD this would be manifesting at school. I think it is good advice for the whole family to get therapy. Has there been a major change in his family? Has there been a divorce? A new sibling? Who does he show the most anger to-his mom or his dad? How is he with you? I agree that he may need meds but it is true he may need a combination of meds. Perhaps the Concerta didnt work because it is not ADHD. I was told by my sons Dr that if it was truly ADHD (and they werent absolutely sure that it was at first) we would notice a change with adding the medication right away and it was true. Within hours of his first dose I noticed a difference. We werent contantly harping on him about his behavior, there was less fighting between him and his brother, it was so peaceful. I truly wish I hadnt waited so long to medicate him. I, like most mothers, hated the idea of giving my son a drug but in his case it really worked. He was student of the month that month when a months time previous they were ready to kick him out of school. He later needed both Concerta in the AM and clonidine in the PM-the clonidine helped him sleep because he has always had sleep issues. It is a little more difficult when there is more than one diagnosis though. Also, there are many behavior problems that manifest like ADHD but the drugs for ADHD wont help the same way (depression, oppositional defiance disorder, bipolar). As the others have mentioned, dont discount good talk therapy. Yes, they may need more than words, but on the other hand, drugs alone wont fix this. They need the therapy to learn the coping skills they dont have. My son is almost 18 now and is off all medication. He has now learned to focus without the meds. Would he do better with the concerta still? Yes, I think so, but he manages without. I think his grades were a bit better on medication but they do get to a point where they start to fight you on taking the medications, especially for boys in their growing years. It is hard for them to gain weight on a stimulant.
I would be interested in knowing exactly what kind of issues your grandson is having. I just really am not sure this is ADHD here as I've said. If you want to send me a private message and we can talk or if you want to talk here, it is fine too. After one ADHD boy and one ADD boy, and having it all throughout the family on both sides, I have learned much about this behavior issue. I'd like to know what kind of behaviors he is showing, give me examples if you can. What did Concerta do when he took it? Was he worse or just no difference? also if you can tell me a bit about his family dynamics. I'd be more than happy to talk with you and help you with this, if you want me to. If you dont want to talk more, try the Children and Adults with ADD or CHADD website. I learned so much there. In fact, that is how I discovered my older son had ADD. He didnt have the behavior issues so his was much less noticeable. He was just a very smart kid who made terrible grades and it was because he couldnt stay focused because of ADD. He didnt have the more obvious hyperactivity. I have ADD as well. I have heard all of my life "if only you would apply yourself" My teachers complained that I would daydream. I was smart enough to make decent grades but I always struggled with motivation and my organizational skills are still not very good. I get bored easily so I change jobs often. All signs of ADD. Go to the website www.chadd.org for good information on ADD/ADHD. It will tell you if the traits you see in your grandson are equal with ADHD. ADHD is diagnosed mainly by what the parents and teachers tell the Dr along with observations by the Dr so it is good to know what you are looking for to tell the Drs. Give your grandsons parents this website as well. It is a good resource. Another is www.samhsa.gov which is a substance abuse and mental health website so it has info on other mental and behavioral health issues.
Wow, I just got done reading DZOObaby's post and I agree with it 100%! I have 3 children, all grown now, 2 girls and 1 boy! My son is going to be 23 in april and has had adhd all of his childhood, and like dzoobaby said it doesn't just occur in one place, meaning my son acted up more in school then he did at home!! Oh trust me he did act up at home, but it was the opposite of what u were saying no disrespect, u say your child acts up more at home! I think dzoobaby may be onto something, you might want to consider family counceling to get to the bottom of all this, cause truthfully I am not a doctor, far from it, but I have raised my son by myself as I said so I got to see it all, and it was very very stressful to deal, but I did it cause that is what mother's do! I would no lie get a phone call every single day, multiple times saying you have to come get your son we can't control him etc...
this was every single day no lie!! Finally one day I snapped cause I was having a bad day and said you cant handle a child I am not taking him out of school cause he is just banging a pencil on the table or constantly saying he has to go to the bathroom when he really didn't and so fourth... like dzoobaby, my son gets bored extremely fast, can't stay in one place till this day for more then half hr if that or u can see the stress/adhd symptoms, he could never sit still constantly moving around every second, God the list just goes on and on!! Finally the principal called me one day and said I had to have him seen or he would have to go to another school for at this point he was disrupting the rest of the class, so I took him to everything possible, primary, counseling,psychiatrist, they all said he had adhd! Doctor prescribed him one med. forget what it is called it began with an s, anyway it didn't do the trick, meaning didn't work one way or the other, so they put him on adderal, I once again making a comment on what dzoobaby said, I new soon as he took this medication he really had the right diagnosis, cause I started seeing changes almost immediately, and for the better that is, noone likes to put there children on meds hell i don't even like taking meds for my conditions, but the fact is it helped him tremendously, he almost get left back a yr cause of saying he did his school work when the teacher asked but at the end of the day he would tell her he didn't do it!! When I put him on this medication, no calls from school, finished his assignments and graduated from his class!! Please do research and get him checked by multiple doctors, psychiatrist, counselors etc..you don't want to put him on a medication if he truely does not have and in my opinion what u have been saying isn't signs of adhd, im no doctor but have lived with it for 23 yrs and no what the symptoms are etc..my son is doing much better now and has chosen to stop the meds, but he is not as bad as he was when he was in school and he still has problems sitting still, constantly moving around and a host of other things but they are more manageable for him now... I wish u and your son nothing but good health..please get the right diagnosis for him even if u have to have 5 opinions... best of luck
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