I am a little scared to take it. I have been reading it causes seizures. What is in Tramadol? My Dr told me if that didn't work, then he was gonna try Fioricet for pain. My pain is so bad right now. I don't know what to do. Smoovie
Hi smoovie. I checked as well. This side effect is way downon the list.
My question to you is have you ever had a problem taking an opiate and are you having any problems with your liver? If no to both I wouldn't worry.
Oh, have you ever had a seizure? Be sure you have zero alcohol.
If it still makes you nervous, just be sure someone is around when you take it. Your concern is understandable, considering all the weird side effects we report here. But I think most people do not have such problems.
Not knowing your full history, can't say too much. If it were me and in the pain you have been describing I would be taking it.
I beieve that the person who said that was referring to what could happen if you stop taking the medication. The same thing will happen to me(or anyone for that matter if they suddenly stop taking benzodiazipines) will have seizures. I thought you were on klonopin correct? Anyway hows stopping taking the nororco going? You should be feeling a little better? My battery was acting strange and I haven't had my phone for almost a week so if you or anyone sent me a message I couldn't check. Hope things are going better then last week which I'm sure they are because whomever said it would take 6 months was pushing the time it would take.
As far as the crap they're giving you I wouldn't hold out much hope of pain relief from Tramadol but getting dependent on them just the same as the hydrocodone is most likely to happen so I don't know why they give it out when it doesn't seem to work for many people but does get them dependent on them regardless? If your quality of life isn't any good then you might try & find SOMETHING that works opiate or not that at least makes life worth living,I mean what's the point if your off Norco but in constant pain & don't enjoy life? Again,I hope it works out for you whichever way you choose to live it. J
Hi, I would advise you not to get started on them. Some people can take them successfully at low doses/prescribed doses, but i know so many people that have been and are addicted to them, me included. It was hell coming off them, i got up to 1000mg a day to get the same effects, as you build up a tolerance to them over time. I do have an addictive personality, should never have been prescribed them, but a good friend of mine is dependent on them as well now, and he doesn't drink, smoke, take any other medication or drugs. He is slowly creeping up the scale, started on 200mg a day and now is taking 400mg. I would be more concerned about psychological side effects rather then physical side effects while taking the tramadol. Physical side effects occur more commonly when withdrawing from them. If you can side step the tramadol, i would recommend it.
Beth, Tramadol is very addictive in nature. It is a synthetic opiate, that doesn't become opiate until it mixes with your body chemicals. I would suggest if you have an addicton problem, ie the norcos, that you DON'T take it! Just this girls opinion, but you have come so far, without the norcos, would hate to see you get addicted to tramodol. I have a better reading site about this so check it out! will post it below. Most doctors don't read this stuff, & take the drug reps word for the info on tramadol. they don't realize how addictive it is, plus it has snri qualities to it also ie the seizure part. Fioricet has phenobarbitol in it, along with tylenol & caffeine & is used for headaches. I have heard that this can be addictive too. someone posted a question yesterday about it. If it were me, I would try the fioricet first!I would really hate to see you get on tramadol, & have another problem getting off of it. Just my thoughts... Mary
Have you ever been tested for Trigeminal neuralgia? And did your dentist check you for a TMJ disorder? Your symptoms could also be one of these chronic disorders.
What Is Trigeminal Neuralgia?
Trigeminal neuralgia (TN), also called tic douloureux, is a condition that is characterized by intermittent, shooting pain in the face.
Trigeminal neuralgia affects the trigeminal nerve, one of the largest nerves in the head. The trigeminal nerve sends impulses of touch, pain, pressure, and temperature to the brain from the face, jaw, gums, forehead, and around the eyes.
What Causes Trigeminal Neuralgia?
The most frequent cause of trigeminal neuralgia is a blood vessel pressing on the nerve near the brain stem. Over time, changes in the blood vessels of the brain can result in blood vessels rubbing against the trigeminal nerve root. The constant rubbing with each heartbeat wears away the insulating membrane of the nerve, resulting in nerve irritation.
What Are the Symptoms of Trigeminal Neuralgia?
Trigeminal neuralgia causes a sudden, severe, electric shock-like, or stabbing pain that lasts several seconds. The pain can be felt on the face and around the lips, eyes, nose, scalp, and forehead. Symptoms can be brought on when a person is brushing the teeth, putting on makeup, touching the face, swallowing, or even feeling a slight breeze.
Trigeminal neuralgia is often considered one of the most painful conditions seen in medicine. Usually, the pain is felt on one side of the jaw or cheek, but some people experience pain at different times on both sides. The attacks of pain may be repeated one after the other. They may come and go throughout the day and last for days, weeks, or months at a time. At times, the attacks can disappear for months or years. The disorder is more common in women than in men and rarely affects anyone younger than 50.
How Is Trigeminal Neuralgia Diagnosed?
Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) can be used to determine whether a tumor or multiple sclerosis is irritating the trigeminal nerve. Otherwise, no test can determine with certainty the presence of trigeminal neuralgia. Tests can, however, help rule out other causes of facial disorders. Trigeminal neuralgia usually is diagnosed based on the patient's description of the symptoms.
How Is Trigeminal Neuralgia Treated?
Trigeminal neuralgia can be treated with antiseizure medications such as Tegretol or Neurontin. The medications Klonopin and Depakote may also be effective and may be used in combination with other drugs to achieve pain relief. Some antidepressant drugs also have significant pain relieving effects.
If medications are ineffective or if they produce undesirable side effects, neurosurgical procedures are available to relieve pressure on the nerve or to reduce nerve sensitivity.
Some patients report having reduced or relieved pain by means of alternative medical therapies such as acupuncture, chiropractic adjustment, self-hypnosis or meditation.
WebMD Medical Reference
What are common TMJ symptoms?
TMJ pain disorders usually occur because of unbalanced activity, spasm, or overuse of the jaw muscles. Symptoms tend to be chronic, and treatment is aimed at eliminating the precipitating factors. Many symptoms may not appear related to the TMJ itself. The following are common symptoms.
Headache: Approximately 80% of patients with a TMJ disorder complain of headache, and 40% report facial pain. Pain is often made worse while opening and closing the jaw. Exposure to cold weather or air-conditioned air may increase muscle contraction and facial pain.
Ear pain: About 50% of patients with a TMJ disorder notice ear pain and do not have signs of ear infection. The ear pain is usually described as being in front of or below the ear. Often, patients are treated multiple times for a presumed ear infection, which can often be distinguished from TMJ disorder by an associated hearing loss or ear drainage (which would be expected if there really was an ear infection). Because ear pain occurs so commonly, ear specialists are frequently called on to make the diagnosis of a TMJ disorder.
Sounds: Grinding, crunching, or popping sounds, medically termed crepitus, are common for patients with a TMJ disorder. These sounds may or may not be accompanied by increased pain.
Dizziness: Of patients with a TMJ disorder, 40% report a vague sense of dizziness or imbalance (usually not a spinning type vertigo). The cause of this type of dizziness is not well understood.
Fullness of the ear: About 33% of patients with a TMJ disorder describe muffled, clogged, or full ears. They may notice ear fullness and pain during airplane takeoffs and landings. These symptoms are usually caused by eustachian-tube dysfunction, the structure responsible for the regulation of pressure in the middle ear. It is thought that patients with TMJ disorders have hyperactivity (spasms) of the muscles responsible for regulating the opening and closing of the eustachian tube.
Ringing in the ear (tinnitus): For unknown reasons, 33% of patients with a TMJ disorder experience noise or ringing in the ears (tinnitus). Of those patients, half will have resolution of their tinnitus after successful treatment of their TMJ disorder.
How are patients evaluated and diagnosed when TMJ problems are suspected?
A complete dental and medical evaluation is often necessary and recommended to evaluate patients with suspected TMJ disorders. One or more of the following diagnostic clues or procedures may be used to establish the diagnosis. Damaged jaw joints are suspected when there are popping, clicking, and grating sounds associated with movement of the jaw. Chewing may become painful, and the jaw may lock or not open widely. The teeth may be worn smooth, as well as show a loss of the normal bumps and ridges on the tooth surface. Ear symptoms are very common. Infection of the ear, sinuses, and teeth can be discovered by medical and dental examination. Dental X-rays and computerized tomography (CT) scanning help to define the bony detail of the joint, while magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) is used to analyze soft tissues.
What is the treatment for TMJ disorders?
The mainstay of treatment for acute TMJ pain is heat and ice, soft diet, and anti-inflammatory medications.
1. Jaw rest: It can be beneficial to keep the teeth apart as much as possible. It is also important to recognize when tooth grinding is occurring and devise methods to cease this activity. Patients are advised to avoid chewing gum or eating hard, chewy, or crunchy foods such as raw vegetables, candy, or nuts. Foods that require opening the mouth widely, such as a big hamburger, are also not recommended.
2. Heat and ice therapy: These assist in reducing muscle tension and spasm. However, immediately after an injury to the TMJ, treatment with cold applications is best. Cold packs can be helpful for relieving pain.
3. Medications: Anti-inflammatory medications such as aspirin, ibuprofen (Advil and others), naproxen (Aleve and others), or steroids can help control inflammation. Muscle relaxants, such as diazepam (Valium), aid in decreasing muscle spasms. In certain situations, local injection of cortisone preparations (methylprednisolone [Depo-Medrol], triamcinolone [Kenalog], Celestone) into the TMJ may be helpful
4. Physical therapy: Passively opening and closing the jaw, massage, and electrical stimulation help to decrease pain and increase the range of motion and strength of the joint.
5. Stress management: Stress support groups, psychological counseling, and medications can also assist in reducing muscle tension. Biofeedback helps people recognize times of increased muscle activity and spasm and provides methods to help control them.
6. Occlusal therapy: A custom-made acrylic appliance which fits over the teeth is commonly prescribed for night but may be required throughout the day. It acts to balance the bite and reduce or eliminate teeth grinding or clenching (bruxism).
7. Correction of bite abnormalities: Corrective dental therapy, such as orthodontics, may be required to correct an abnormal bite. Dental restorations assist in creating a more stable bite. Adjustments of bridges or crowns act to ensure proper alignment of the teeth.
8. Surgery: Surgery is indicated in those situations in which medical therapy has failed. It is done as a last resort. TMJ arthroscopy, ligament tightening, joint restructuring, and joint replacement are considered in the most severe cases of joint damage or deterioration.
Hope this helps a bit. You might see a neurologist to look into the TN. The dentist hopefully has already checked for TMJ but I thought I'd add the info anyway. Another possibilty is to see an allergist because it might be a sinus issue related to allergies. Have you tried any steroid nasal sprays? They can be very helpful for allergy related sinus issues. I hope you find relief soon. I pretty much agree on the Tramadol, not so much in worries about seizures, they are not very common side effects but the fact that you have been addicted to Hydrocodone before. Tramadol is much weaker than Norco but it is considered "opioid like". It is not related to opioids chemically but it acts on the opioid receptors like an opioid would so it does carry the same addiction risks. When Tramadol first came out, it was sold by the reps as a pain reliever that was "non-opioid" and therefore non-addictive but they soon found out that it really is addictive but some docs still mistakenly believe it is still non-addictive-perhaps they have not had a patient who has had a problem with it yet. Fioricet has the ability to become habit forming as well. It contains a mild barbiturate called butalbital-not phenobarbital like another poster said-but butalbital is similar to phenobarb but much milder. It also contains caffeine and acetaminophen. It is good for tension types of headaches and some migraines but it also carries a risk to cause rebound headaches when used frequently so it should be only used when the pain is pretty bad and regular OTC's are not helping at all. If you have pain that affects your quality of life, then it needs to be treated. It may not necessarily need to be treated with opioids. If it is nerve related, it may respond better to drugs that treat nerve pain better like Lyrica, Cymbalta, Neurontin or Tegretol-they actually treat nerve pain, in many cases, better than opioids. It is really essential to try to find a diagnosis before you can truly begin to treat it. An MRI may be useful to show if there are sinus problems. I would recommend that you try a neurologist and an allergist to see if you can get to the bottom of the issue.
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