Quit subutex 2 weeks back and used Heroin twice, so back to being 5 days clean, the big problem i'm finding is I'm awake 22hours a day min, and i'm left with no energy, bored and my legs feel like the muscles are trying to rip out of my legs? Been craving badly the last 2 days due to this, it's not even for the buzz i just really need a good night sleep and some energy! 2 weeks is a long time to be feeling like this, as i said last thurs and fri i used because of it and dont want to keep getting to this point and using for one day just to have to go through another god know's how long till it changes, also been given zopiclone the last 2 weeks and got 1 week left and i just feel like thats next i'm going to be addicted to them soon, but i cant not take them cause i'm close to cracking up if i don't sleep soon! i don't even know what my question is i'm guessing looking for advice really, thanks
I don't know jack about heroin so I really can't help with that, I do know about opiate (oxycontin) cold turkey withdrawal, however, and I feel as if tis similar.
For sleep, please try good old Benadryl. Add some Melatonin, which is an all natural product that can be purchased at any pharmacy/supermarket. You may find it mixed with Valerian Root, which calms the nerves as well as helping with sleep. Some people believe that Valerian root is actually a natural derivative of Valium (not sure about that though). I've never heard of Zopiclone, is it a Benzo? If so, be careful when mixing benzos with benadryl. For leg aches and restless legs, use a pillow between your legs when you attempt sleep, I promise, this actually helps!! I STILL sleep with a pillow betwixt my twigs, because I find it comfortable.
Are you having any other WD symptoms? If so, we can all help with them! Just let us know... there will be other people that answer your query, just be patient and they will answer.
Best wishes QO!! Keep updating on your progress please!!
Hang in there it will get better. Its going to be hard. Xanax can help you sleep but this just another drug but you must sleep. Stay away from the heroine at all cost. Energy will come back try going for walks think of reasons why you should not use Please stay strong, it willl be hard but prove to yourself what a strong ang great person you are. Good luck and please make the right choices spend that $ on things you need. One day at a time you can and will do it.
I read everything you wrote up until now. I am confused as to what you are withdrawing from? I mean is it predominantly Heroin and other short acting opiates, or is it predominantly Methadone or Subutex? Methadone did something to me that then made me need 1 Darvocet a day for 2 - 3 years. I was finally put on Wellbutrin and no longer experienced any wds at all. It was only then I could stop that last Darvocet.
I am currently on Subutex. I was taken off them and put on short acting pain pills 2 years ago. Even after 1 year I still had effects from the Sub. So depending how long you were on Methadone and Sub may mean you are in for a very long withdrawal. Can you go to a Sub doc and go on Suboxone. You have to stay on it at least 6 months, and then do a slow taper off Sub. Is that a possibility for you?
I have a hunch you are not in the USA because over here Zopiclone is known as Tegretol. It's used here to stop convulsions and to control anger. I don't know of anyone who used it for detox. If you are going to continue like this can you get any of these: Robaxin or Baclofen. Those are muscle relaxers and help the legs. You have to look them up here on dc because those are brand names. If you are outside the USA you need the generic names. For sleep they give Trazodone and I find it works well with Benadryl combined. We also use Clonidine. This is important because even at 28 your blood pressure will go up while you detox and Clonidine will bring it down. But it also tends to calm people down. Another drug used is Zofran (that's the brand name) it's used for nausea but my current doc says it helps control wds.
As I understand Valerian root you can use it all day as a tranquilizer and mix it at night with Melatonin. If you want to go the Herbal route Chamomile is also good. You should also use a good B-Complex pill.
A lot of things can help make the wds milder, but if you were on Methadone for a long time of even months, you will be better off doing a slow taper with either Methadone or Sub. And quite honestly if you can avoid Sub do so. I say this because we now know Sub causes a tremendous resistance to form against all other opiates, and we don't know how long this lasts even once you are off Sub. And sad to say, the doc's are ignoring this. I think for me I've already been on Sub so long it doesn't matter if I stay on it. But I sure wish some experiments and studies were being done about this side effect. And there just is not any being done. So since you're only 28, don't take Sub unless you must. I mean if you are going to go back to Heroin better the Sub. But I say even better is a Methadone maintenance and then a Methadone taper plan.
A few last things for now are, if you are detoxing mainly from short acting opiates, including Heroin then it takes 10 days for the extreme cravings to stop. After 10 days you should find it all much easier. And if you can eat you're lucky. Just don't over eat. And get Imodium for diarrhea. Sooner or later you will have that. Take Imodium as needed. Last year I needed something like 16 mg at once. I never had anything so bad before. But this is what long term opiate use can do to us. I now see why doc's don't want us to take them.
Hey Sweet Lemon,
Things are pretty much the same, been up since 1am and its 15:35pm now so feeling it a bit now, Got to pop out at 4 for an hour so that should kill some time, the only symtoms i've got now is craving,sweating like crazy,4 hours sleep a night and drained. Other than that pretty good, tried that root herb didn't really do anything for me, think it's just a matter of time now.
The 2 things that would mess things up for me is having no energy and boredom, i get bored really easy, 20hr days arn't helping much either.
but at the moment i've got a grip of the cravings, but i definatley won't forgot this experience! it'll be nice to get to the point where i'm clean and feeling good, the last time i had that i was 12 so it will really take some getting used to!
Did go to sleep for 4 hours last night without using a sleeper :-) because the last thing i want is to be addicted to them, I'm probably one of the few addicts that don't like taking Meds for the sake of it, if i can get through i will do, there's so many things i want to do in my head but physically i'm not able to, also my family don't know about all this so i have to make everything look fine when its far from fine, so that takes a lot out of me aswell.
All in all can't moan really, because i feel a lot better than i did this time last week!!
Got to really say thanks to everyone who's posted comments it really does help, thanks again
(see how slow my brain is working lol took like 20mins to write this lol)
Hey everyone it's day 8 now and things are looking pretty good, still sweating like crazy! don't even no where it's all coming from, still getting my 4 hours sleep and still not much energy but as long as i'm clean and the days are clocking up "I don't give a F**K!"
Just been up to town to get a new watch, i'd prefer to spend £200 on a watch that gear at the moment, so why not.
Plus every morning i wake up I think about the day before and if i did use how things would be today, if you get what i mean, it's like no matter how much i would of smoked yesturday by tonight i would be feeling horrible! so not matter how bad i'm feeling at the moment it's nothing compared to the first few days.
Was thinking about asking for Naltrexone as its an opiate blocker but read you can't even have a drink with it, to be honest i'm not really a drinker but i want the option to be there and not taken away from me, also it can give you a low sex drive which i really can't deal with, i'd prefer to be in pain and have sex than no pain and no sex, i know it probably sounds crazy but i've still got to have some fun in life.
And before anyone even mentions about drinking swapping one for another don't bother, because it just wouldn't happen! I tried a detox place before i they spouted all that, taring everyone with the same brush and that i'm powerless and don't have a choice! which really got to me, because i've always got a choice! (personally)
This is why i really don't think you can have one set of rules to get someone clean because in my personal experience telling me i didn't have a choice made me not even try the program they offered.
If everyone was the same life would be boring!
See you at the finish line
another up-date, today is day 9 (Go me lol)
As for symtoms, i've got not much energy (still it's more than i had a few days back) sweating like crazy (like i want to be washing like 50 t-shirts a week!) Sleep isn't too bad still getting my 4 hours which is better than nothing! o and sneezin all the time but i kinda like that lol
Mentally, i'm pretty good, get bored really easy and my visions gone a bit blurry but that's bout it, craving now and then but it's more for the energy than a buzz off any drug.
One thing i do have to do is get rid of my back-up stash of Methadone and subutex which i kept because going to the drug workers in the past used to drive me mad, esp if i was working out of town trying to get them to let you pick up a script for 2 weeks in a day was like pulling teeth! So always kept some around to give me space to sort things out. So they have to go at some point.
that's about it really, if i could have one symtom gone which i have left, it would easily be my energy back!
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