suboxone for pain?!

[cntrymama37]

After several attempt at taking many different pain meds even antidepressants, my doc wanted me to try suboxone. I HATE the way it makes me feel. I have taken it for 4 months now and am suicidal and angry. I have NEVER been like this. I had an accident, surgery and may hav eto have more surgeries on my neck. Ive lost my job as an er nurse in a level 2 trauma center and my life is falling apart. I let my doc convince me to try suboxone 1mg a day for pain control. It has never really worked that well and the side effects are VERY distressing for me and my family. I told my doc I just couldnt do it anymore and wanted off. He rx'd me tramadol for pain and swearsIwill have no withdrawal . He said at 1mg for 4 months i will be fine and to take tramadol 50mg tid. It is 72hrs since y last suboxone i have only taken 2 tramadol today and yesterday. I was feeling achy and agitated, malaise flu like symptoms before i stopped and of course they are still here. Is my doctor wrong? I am not willing to continue to poison myself and want off it all NOW!
I ended up in the er on xmas from seratonin syndrome due to zoloft. At that time it was so severe i was placed on a high dose of valium and have stabalized at 10mg. My plan is to taper off that next but slower because i tried to taper too quick a while ago and was a wreck.
Im feeling like the doctors and medical staff/system are trying to kill me. I can handle just using celebrex or ibuprofen but NOT feeling out of control and sick. Maybe im in the worst of it at 48hrs and the tramadol and valium have blunted the withdrawal a bit? Or am i screwed an dmy doc doesnt know what hes talking about. I was oh so skeptical to start this drug for pain management but didnt follow my gut.
No matter what i say, i have been to 3 different docs, they all want me taking something. Because im on lt disability, i have decided to lie and say im taking whats prescribed and not take anything. I cant afford to loose my benefits over this but needs my body free of chemicals so my mind AND body can heal.

[getmeouttahere]

Yes, Suboxone is a very nasty drug to come off of. I w/d from morphine extended release 4 years ago and it was awful. I was on it a littleover 5 months. The reason these drugs are so bad is because of the very long half life. Suboxone is longer than most any of them. It makes the w/d just that much longer.
I'm sure you are seeing a pain management Dr if he prescribed subs. He should know better that 1 mg for four months will cause some dependence and w/d.

On the tramadol...if it isn't helping the w/d symptoms....do not take it. It is bad news. I for sure wouldn't take it one day longer than necessary. I am.currently on day 5 of no tramadol. It isn't easy to quit and I will never recommend this drug to anyone. I have read posts from people who were on it for two weeks and experienced w/d from it. I'm not saying it can't be beneficial for some, but do some research and know what you are taking before you start it. It is not the magic little non addictive pain pill they make it out to be. It has, and continues to, harm many many people. Good luck with however things may turn out....

[iloerose]

How are you doing, cntry mama? You've been off of the subs for over 72 hours? I was hoping you would post in the sub forum. I can't believe your doctor told you that after only 4months of sub use you could just jump off of 1mg. that's a high dose of sub. It's hard to say what your ultimate symptoms will be. Yeah the valium and tramadol may blunt the w/d symptoms of the sub, but I'd lose the tramadol, that is bad news. That's another drug that doctors tell you is not addicting, but look around the boards. You can try some of the supplements from the Thomas Recipe to help through the w/d. Gatorade is good for RLS and cramping. Try to get some exercise to help work the sub through your system, even if it's only a slight walk. Anyway, post and let us know how you are doing.

Peace,

Iloerose

[Anonymous]

jeeeez talk about a pro cannabis speil. yeh totally get why you are raving on about the medical system etc, but weed is not the be all and end all you say it is. oh and by the way, i heard that there is one way of overdosing on weed, and its by eating it.

btw also, if you are going to write essays, you should check your spelling. its CANNABIS. not BUS..

p.s subs are fairly hopeless for pain. so i wouldnt go down that road unless you want to get OFF OPIATES. if that is the case, yeh go for subs. they are a great tool to get clean with.

often people on long term opiates actually get rebound pain, that is, more like starting to withdraw before your due dose, so you 'feel' more pain when its actually the withdraw making it seem worse.

[iloerose]

Cheeky: What post are you referring to? I think that the post you are referring to was removed and might have been another spammer. Cntrymama is trying to get off of subs the doc gave her for pain.

Cnrymama: How are you doing? Hope you are well!

Peace,

Iloerose

[cntrymama37]

I didnt see anyone talk about marijuana. But no i am not taking it for opiate addicton. And YES bot dr.s say its really weird i am c/o withdrawal symptoms from jumping off 1 mg. Its been over 6days since my last dose and im fasiculatong(muscle twitches) and SEVERELY DEPRESSED. I am going back in to the psych. Today for the mental meds. He does not rx the suboxone but thinks i should stay on it for mood control and pain. Im going to blow my stack and get fired I swear. Both docs want me on tramadol and swear if i only take it once or twice a day nothing will happen. I know a couple of people who have been on it and had no issues stopping but they were taking maybe 50mg pwr day. My psych keeps upping the valium and i have been on that so long from the aftereffects of the seratonin syndrome i have to slowly taper at some point. I am suicidal still at timws and feel trapped. No one will listen to me. I am SUPER sensitive to meds and they just keep pushong them. I am going to demand to be helped to get off EVERYTHING. I have to have ANOTHER nwck surgery too. I can handle the pain without narcotics. I may not move as much but i would rather not have these symptoms. I WANT MY LIFE BACK!!!!

[cntrymama37]

Buprophenine is still used for pain at low doses and does work for some. My vet uses it on my cats and dogs even. Not everyone falls into the same cookie cutter shape either with their reaction to meds. However, i was skeptical after the seratonin syndrome incident and shouldve listened to my gut. BTW both my docs dont think tramadol will cause withdrawals if taken appropriately. These are alsothe same ones who convinced me valium and subutex werent a big deal too. My family doc wants me to try marijuana but i already have and unless its pure indica i will climb the walls with anxiety. Plus i am not big on smoking it OR eating it. The less chemicals the better. I just wish I knew how many more sleepless nights i will have? Panic attacks? Im in a very bad place and no i dont feel like there is hope since i have become a victim of listening and believing my colleagues in that the reaearch and stuff posted on these sites were wrong

[cntrymama37]

Day 8 and i feel like im coming around. I did have to use tramadol 50mg a couple of times but no issues. I was anxious and suicidal and had hot flashes and severe insomnia everyday up until today. I was even constipated which i thought was weird but now things are really moving. Im riding my exercise bike as long as my knees hold and soaking then relaxing the rest of the day :-)

[iloerose]

Cntrymama: Sorry I haven't posted back to you. I've been super busy. Had the flu last week and out of the pic this week with work. You are doing really, really well. I know you think you might not be, but you came off of a high dose of sub. 1mg. is quite a bit to jump from. You are brave to be going this alone. It will get better. There is a person who says "this too shall pass". It may take some time, but the exercise, hot baths, will help you better than anything. Stay hydrated, you may want to try some gatorade. I've read all your posts to date: I'm so proud of you for putting up this fight. You are doing the right thing. You are making it: one day at a time, one step at a time. Hang tough!

Peace,

Iloerose

[cntrymama37]

I believe im pretty much out of the woods. Lingering random muscle twitching and fatigue. Plus the pain is back. LOL i guess the suboxone was making a bit more than i thought. I was told my 37 yo neck looks like a 70 year old bull rider. I will eventually need all fused but say I am too young. Why they did the first surgery then is weird. I think it always sadly boils down to the dollar. I hate to say it being a nurse but its true.
I am still easily stressed but that could be situational too. Being told your disabled an dits only going to get worse and you cant go back to your dream job/career. AND give up horseback riding, meanwhile facing bankruptcy etc. Etc. On and on. Depression and anxiety are probably not completely related.
I have to say, even jumping from 1mg......It wasnt horrible. I had

[cntrymama37]

Sorry got cut off.... The mental part, severe depression, suicidal thoughts for a couple days fatigue, one day flat in bed. I didnt have diarrhea, was really nauseated and super irritable. Im pretty much back to baseline at day 10. I do think tramadol helped a bit as wellas the valium I am tapering. I am at 10 mg qhs. I get to start cutting back on that in a month after being on it for one year. I will take tramadol 50mg only if needed along with celebrex but hopefully thats it for a while.My pain is severe and i do have to do something to take the edge off or I wouldnt move! I really think suboxone does work well for some people even pain situations, its just not for everyone and especially not for me. Im NOT giving up horses and cant wait to get off this mind numbing benzo. My docs also think its a bad idea because its blunting muscle spasms AND pain. I would rather have acouple shota of whiskey to be honest. :-)

[Anonymous]

aw. sorry bout the previous post. yup a spammer idiot was raving on pro marijuana bs. was nothin to do with you cntrymama.

good on ya cntrymama. sounds like you are gettin thru this. yeh, buprenorphine has been used in the past at low doses like .2 and .4mg here in nz. they were called temgesics. subs didnt exist for addiction then. but when they did arrive here, it was in 2mg and 8mg. go figure eh.

keep up the good work.

(yeh, spammers like that dude really p me off. obviously the moderators thought he was a crock as well )

[iloerose]

cntrymama: keep posting and let us know how you are doing. Remember that when one thing seems to pass us by, another will show up. You are doing the right thing. You will get through this. I just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you.

Peace,

Iloerose

[cntrymama37]

Today was terrible. Pain control is a huge issue wich doesnt help the depression. I just wish there was a non opiate way to control pain. I still have no energy and i ride my exercise bike stretch twice a day and soak in the tub. My legs feel sooooo heavy and im super irritable. I want off the valium but mt psych said not until iim more mentally stable. Ugh! He said im not taking that much at 10mg at night but i feel like its really taking a toll on me. It will be a year i will have been on it come december.

[cntrymama37]

Today, 2 weeks since d/c ing...I still wake up drained and am having a difficult time with sleep from pain and insomnia. I did have issues with the insomnia beforehand. Im still achy feeling and have a difficult time with motivation. It takes ALOT of energy just to sweep the floors. I was able to walk my daughter from the bus and stretch but my neck is keeping me up. Anytime I try to push a little more, I pay for it later. It is mostly bone pain in my neck right where my implant is. I am still having muscle twitches all over and have had fits of sneezing. TBH i did not expect it to linger this long and even though not full on WD symptoms, it is almost worse because it hangs in there so ling. I just need my appetite, energy and mental clarity and less depression please! Its the waking up this far out and still feeling fuey and down... it sucks. I really wish my doctor wouldve never thought up that one for pain management.

[cntrymama37]

Lat post on this.. its been a good month and im still twitchy at times but feel much better, even more so after stopping the cymbalta. Now I have convinced my doc to let ,e taper off the valium. I am pretty sure he hates me... lol
Im on many vitamins which have helped. B, d, omega 369, multivitamin, thiamine, probiotics, and magnesium. Walking, sucking on medical marijuana (very low dose) candy helps with nausea. I found some candies made with ginger and they help!!!!! So im never NEVER EVER taking cymbalta or a long acting opiate again unless im on my deathbed. Tramadol occasionally with celebrex and a hot bath. I may still be in awful pain but i will take it over that chemical brain take over any day!

[CARA1336]

im so sorry they placed you on subs for pain(although i have read studies it can work in lo doses as someone mentioned) i am also disabled and currently on subs because i was still in pain and on over 64 mg of diluadid a day for over 7 yrs and wanted to come off because my tolerance was just getting worse and worse and i was having to take more with no relief (i only to the med for pain control never once did i get a high) all i can say is i haven't touched a narcotic in over a month i can barley get out of bed they have me on 16 mg of subs and i hate it i wanna come off them so bad and i am very depressed i feel like the docs are tryin to kill me as well i am not even 30 had over 60 some surgeries my bladder,urethra,all my female parts removed and i cant imagine whats next but i know the subs are helping...i have been following ppls post on here for awhile ppl seem pretty positive (although i am so scared to come off now because i have read horror stories ppl post and sometimes i wonder if i shouldnt have just delt with coming of the diludiud prolly couldnt of i almost died from withdrawl, which i cant understand because they say you cant from narcs but i coded twice) i wish you all the luck and i wish i could help you