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    I went to two pain specialist in the last 7 months one put me on methadone, and for about a month the other had me on morphine then fentenyl patches. He was just about to kill me with the fentenyl patches, before I stopped it and went to a dr that put me on suboxone. He wanted me to take 16 mg., but after reading on the internet, I decided after a day not to take that much. When I was tested, I didn't have anything in my system. However, I felt like I wanted to died. The suboxone made me stop the awful withdrawals and the dr said that day I only needed something for withdrawals and to see another pain specialist. I'm through with pain specialist. The next time I saw the dr. he started talking about staying on suboxone for a yr or more. I was on pain killers because of 2 back surgeries with nerve damage. I have always taken my prescriptions as prescribed. I do not feel good on this drug and I can't afford it. I just want off of it. I have been on it for three weeks and have been taking 8mg. Today I cut by 25% and I understand from what I read you stay on that for 4 days. I'm new to this forum so I have not found your instructions. Please tell me the best way to get off this medicine because it makes me crazy. I can not stand it in my body and want off as soon as possible. I have about 50 subs left. Thank you in advance for your advice.

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    Follow the process in the following link. I'll do my best to guide you along through the taper. God bless.

    http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
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    I feel better knowing you are there.

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    This is my second day taking 25% less. I think I'm suppose to do this for about 4 days. I haven't felt too well today. I have some anxiety and please can you tell me why I have so much pressure in my head. Is there anything I can do to help with this? I'm taking two 50 mg. lyrica, because I have nerve damage. I think it also helps with the withdrawals. Any tips will be appreciated. I don't want to go through withdrawals like I did the first time I tried to get off of subs. I was only on it a week and I started trying to stop too fast. I don't like this drug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    This is my second day taking 25% less. I think I'm suppose to do this for about 4 days. I haven't felt too well today. I have some anxiety and please can you tell me why I have so much pressure in my head. Is there anything I can do to help with this? I'm taking two 50 mg. lyrica, because I have nerve damage. I think it also helps with the withdrawals. Any tips will be appreciated. I don't want to go through withdrawals like I did the first time I tried to get off of subs. I was only on it a week and I started trying to stop too fast. I don't like this drug.




    You could be having a side effect from the lyrica, or interaction. Subs sometimes cause headaches, you can take whatever works for you that is over the counter for headaches. I don't think there is anything in lyrica that helps with w/d though, and you are going through w/d, even taking subs. You can't rush subs, it takes a couple months for most people to get on and off subs and help get your brain receptors working properly again. If you're going to use it only a week I would cold turkey, that is just me. God bless.
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    No. I said that I tried getting off after a week but could not. I couldn't function. I think I still had too much from the morphine and fentenyl patches in me. The dr told me I needed to increase the sub, so I did, but not as much as he wanted me to. I had gotten down to a half, but went back to one 8mg film. I'm back down to 6mg. The problem I have is I have to have something for the pain in my back. I don't want to stay on sub for that. I'm going to a new dr, and not a pain specialist, on Monday. I hope he can hope me with this back. I believe it's the brain receptors that are causing the pressure in my head. Thanks for your comments.

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    Robert, I cut to 4mg yesterday. I had more anxiety. Today I wake up feeling nauesed. I don't know the best way to take the 4 mg during the day. Could you help me? Do I need to take some when I first wake up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    Robert, I cut to 4mg yesterday. I had more anxiety. Today I wake up feeling nauesed. I don't know the best way to take the 4 mg during the day. Could you help me? Do I need to take some when I first wake up?



    From what I read you've gone from 8mg to 4mg in four days. That is a 50% reduction over a four day period which is much too fast. I could have misunderstood, but I'm not surprised that you're sick when you wake up. If you read that link you saw that I said you only reduce by 25% every four days MAX!!! Coming off fentanyl it could take a couple extra days. You're rushing this, need to slow down. You should still be on 6mg from what I can tell, which would be 3mg when you get up and 3mg about 5:00 in the afternoon, if what I read was right. Try that and remember you're still detoxing, you can't go through the subs that quickly and expect them to work. The headaches are NOT from your brain receptors by the way. That doesn't happen. Your head hurts from detoxing. Follow that plan to the letter and it will work, but if you decide to change the tapering schedule it's "your bad!" God bless.
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    I only tapered 25%. I went from 8mg. to 6mg for 4 days. Started on 4 mg yesterday. I'm sorry if I was not clear. I am trying to do your tapering schedule. I was doing it myself in the beginning and did not know how. That was before I found your schedule. I was doing it too fast and was in bad shape. When I went to the doctor he started wanting me to do 16mg again. I told him no and he said he was going to write me for 1 and half films. I told him I would take 1film (8mg) I did that until I found your tapering schedule. Then I tapered to 6 mgs for 4 days and yesterday I started at 4 mgs. I stopped the fentenyl patches on June 5. I was on the fentenyl patches for 13 days. He had me over medicated while on them.

    So I took the 2mg this morning and will take 2mg at 5:00 if you think I'm alright. I am so very scare of this whole tapering thing. I do want to do as you say because I know you have helped so many others.

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    People are different, you may need to go six days between reductions. We all metabolize drugs differently. But you need to be stable, feeling normal, before you reduce your dose each time. God bless.
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    I'm feeling better than I did earlier. I will see how it goes. You are right, I may have to go longer between reductions. Thanks

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    This is my fourth day on 4mg. I plan to stay here longer. I have not felt normal at all with the 4mg. I wake up sick and feel really bad all day. Do you think I will eventually feel normal or what should I do?

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    Robert are you still there. I need some guidance. I've had to come home from work. I feel really bad. As I said I wake up sick in the mornings. I deal with alot of anxiety during the day. It is worse in the afternoons. Should I stay at 4 mg or increase to I feel more normal. This is awful.

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    I need someone to give me the formula to taper from 3mg at 25% down to 0. I'm not sure how to cut these films to make sure I'm only reducing 25% ea time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    I need someone to give me the formula to taper from 3mg at 25% down to 0. I'm not sure how to cut these films to make sure I'm only reducing 25% ea time.
    Take the number of mg you are taking, 3mg, get a calculator and multiply it .75, which is a 25% reduction. That would be a reduction to 2.25mg. Stay there four days, then reduce to 1.7mg four days. Then reduce to 1.25mg.

    That will last you several days. Let us know how you're doing during that time if we need to make adjustments. God bless.
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    Thanks Robert. I'm having a very hard time with this between nauesa and anxiety. If it gets worse as you continue to go down, I hate to think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    Thanks Robert. I'm having a very hard time with this between nauesa and anxiety. If it gets worse as you continue to go down, I hate to think about it.


    You should not be having that hard of a time at the dose you're at. Make sure you are cutting the strips accurately and you are taking the correct amount. I probably won't be back on here until later. God bless.
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    Just keep you head up. I was once in your same shoes about a month ago. Luckily you have the film strips so it is easy to fold and get accurate measurements to keep yourself as close as possible. If you need some help, just let me know.

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    Thanks both of you for your comments. I went to a doctor yesterday, and was told that the anxiety medicine I was on should not be taken with suboxone. He changed it. It could have been making me feel much worse than I should. Also, I received a call back from my neurosurgeon and I probably will be having my third back surgery. I know I really need to get off the suboxone for the surgery. I understand Robert you are cutting back, and I understand, thanks so much for your time. Bppb I don't know much about this board. How would I direct something to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    Thanks both of you for your comments. I went to a doctor yesterday, and was told that the anxiety medicine I was on should not be taken with suboxone. He changed it. It could have been making me feel much worse than I should. Also, I received a call back from my neurosurgeon and I probably will be having my third back surgery. I know I really need to get off the suboxone for the surgery. I understand Robert you are cutting back, and I understand, thanks so much for your time. Bppb I don't know much about this board. How would I direct something to you?
    You will get the hang of it once you get some type to start clicking, you will soon become addicted to checking on people also! You can post it here right here on this thread and I will check in and help in anyway I can. Are you still at 3mg a day?

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    Yes, and I'm still very sick when I get up in the mornings. I have to take something for it every morning and the evenings the anxiety is so bad. I don't know why it is so hard for me. I've got to get better because I have to have another back surgery. I went to the doctor yesterday and he wants me to start taking hydrocodone for pain as I get lower on the suboxone. What will this do to me?

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    How long until the back surgery?
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    They are supposed to give me a call to set up an appointment with the surgeon. I haven't met with him yet. I had to take off work for awhile trying to get off this suboxone. I'm sorry to be such a baby, but I'm really having an awful time with this. I don't know why I am so sick and have so much anxiety. I've only been on this since June 6th, so you would think it wouldn't be as hard for me. This was my general physician I saw this week. He told me to start taking a hydrocodone at noon as I am cutting down on the suboxone. I did that for two days. This morning the sickness was awful. I hate to continue this way for weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    They are supposed to give me a call to set up an appointment with the surgeon. I haven't met with him yet. I had to take off work for awhile trying to get off this suboxone. I'm sorry to be such a baby, but I'm really having an awful time with this. I don't know why I am so sick and have so much anxiety. I've only been on this since June 6th, so you would think it wouldn't be as hard for me. This was my general physician I saw this week. He told me to start taking a hydrocodone at noon as I am cutting down on the suboxone. I did that for two days. This morning the sickness was awful. I hate to continue this way for weeks.



    It's no wonder at all why you're sick. Your dr has no idea whatsoever what he is doing! You don't take hydrocodone at the same time you're taking suboxone! That is totally stupid! You're staying in constant precipitated w/d taking them together.

    If you're going to have a back surgery very soon, then STOP the subs immediately. DON'T TAKE ANY!!! Take enough hydrocodone to keep you out of w/d. It will take several days before you notice the effects of the hydrocodone at all, but it will stop you from being sick almost as soon as you stop the subs. Can't believe a goofy dr would tell you to do that. Shows how much they know about suboxone.

    I'm guessing based on what you've said that you'll be able to feel the hydrocodone in about a week as it will take close to that long for the subs' effects to stop working. Then you can have surgery at any time thereafter and the pain meds will work fine.

    My suggestion is that you take norco 10/325 to get enough hydrocodone in your system to help you overcome the effects of the sub w/d while using the least amount of acetaminophen with the norco 10/325 having only 325mg of apap per dose. That will fix you up I promise you. Tell the dr HE HAS BEEN MAKING YOU ILL!!! I guarantee that I am right, you never take both of those meds together. God bless.
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    Thanks for your help Robert. I took the 1 1/2 this morning of the sub so when do you suggest I take the hydrocodone.

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    lene ..... one more thing since your dr obviously has no idea what he's doing, you'll need about four 10/325 norco daily to keep you out of w/d from stopping the subs. One won't do anything. One about every four hours except while you're asleep should do the trick until you get to where you can feel them. The sub opiate blocker needs to stop working first and the subs will have to get out of your system for that to happen and they have a half life of 72 hours or longer. You should feel better by tomorrow if he lets you do what I say. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    Thanks for your help Robert. I took the 1 1/2 this morning of the sub so when do you suggest I take the hydrocodone.




    You can start taking the norco anytime, even today. Thing is the subs have an opiate blocker so you won't feel them for some time. JUST DON'T TAKE ANYMORE SUBS PERIOD!!!! And don't take enough norcos trying to get high on them or you could OD!!! You just want to keep yourself from being sick with the minimum dose that it takes of the norco. That is what is making you sick is taking the subs AFTER you take the hydrocodone. Drs need to learn what they are doing before prescribing meds they don't know anything about. God bless.
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    Don't worry about me and trying to get high. I just want this sickness to go away and go back to work. I never want to see another suboxone in my life,
    and after this surgery, I pray I can get off all pain meds. You are a life saver. I pray this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lene54 View Post
    Don't worry about me and trying to get high. I just want this sickness to go away and go back to work. I never want to see another suboxone in my life,
    and after this surgery, I pray I can get off all pain meds. You are a life saver. I pray this works.


    If you start taking the hydro this afternoon and don't take ANY subs anymore ever then you should feel noticeably better in a day or two at the most. You will have to take 3-4 10mg hydro a day though to cover up the w/d symptoms and you won't feel anything from them for several days. We just want to get the subs out of your system and know the meds will work effectively for your surgery. God bless.
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    Robert, I hope I start feeling better tomorrow. I have taken the 10mg hydro 4 times a day, but am still miserable. I know it could be worse, but I am so sick of the sickness and pain.

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