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    This is my first post, I have been reading your threads for a month or two. And I am in Serious need of your guys help. A litttle about myself 1st. I have been taking Hydrcodone for 2 years,I am up too taking 14 10mg a day. For the past 9 months I have been going to a Pain specialist and they have been prescribed to me for pain. I am 35, i have deteriation in my spine, nerve damage in my neck and since having gallbladder surgery 3 years ago have constant stomach pain and I think maybe nerve damage in my chest and stomach from the surgery. The doctor prescribes me 6 10mg a day, im always running out 2 weeks early because i take twice that amount and am having to get them on the side also, which has caused me huge financial difficulties. I have also struggled with Depression and Panic and Anxiety Disorder for 5 years now. IN the past when i have not had any hydros i am in constant pain, burning,and ofcourse when i go to bed, i wake up every hour burning, and my legs and arms wont stay still and feel like something is crawling on them,.Which ofcourse amps up my Panic attacks. Needless to say, I am a Mess. I finally told the dr. i am too addicted too the pills, that i cannot take the prescribed amount and he prescribed me the Suboxone.I picked them up today. I will run out of my pain med. probably by friday morning. In the past even taking just 6 a day, i would have some of the withdrawl symptoms, so how do i know when i should start taking the sub? My presc is for 60 8 mg/2mg films. sais to take 1/2 film four times daily. PLease any advice would be appreciated, i am so scared to go through the withdrawls,and than with my panic and anxiety i start too have panic attacks. I am currently taking an anti-depressant,I have klonazapam i take daily for my anxiety and panic, and the dr. also prescribed me Gabapentin a few months ago,but I have not tried that yet, as i have been afraid. (also kinda have a phobia with taking new meds) I have also readsome threads on here that Gabapentin has helped some people with withdrawls... What do you guys think? I know im a nutcase. And am in serious need of advice from people who know what im going through. Thanks, Nicole

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    Hello,

    I don't like to give advice of my own because I have failed every time at quitting. However, here is the information many come here seeking.

    http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

    Robert has not been around lately but there is a fellow named Denny who is most helpful. He will probably be on here tomorrow morning to weigh in, listen to what he says.

    I can tell you that the amount they are telling you to take is way too much. I have been addicted to pain pills for over 5 years now. I was up to 20-25 10mg oxycondones per day. 4mg of sub, that's half of one strip, per day was enough! The ball is in you court since this is the first time trying with subs. I have made a few attempts with subs but am giving the linked information my first attempt.

    I don't have the link to the withdraw scale, but you want to be in pretty bad WD before taking them. You are your best gage if you really are in it or not, but please be honest with yourself before doing it. Google COWS scale and just go off that list.

    I know it can be hard to believe that suboxone is so powerful yet the docs seem to tell you to take a whole lot of it. Many just don't know better while I suspect some do. The horror stories you hear from people are ones who trusted in their docs and started on 16-32mgs of sub per day and stayed on it for over a year. BAD IDEA!

    Good luck to you and congrats on wanting your life back. You just might be surprised how much of your pain goes away once you successfully get on the subs. A lot of the pain we feel while taking pain meds is the BS they do to our brains. They can make a hangnail feel like a knife wound. I had back problems similar to yours. It sure hurt when I was running low on pills or when I was out, oh god did it hurt. Well, on sub, it's a minor ache.

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    nic7sheree ...... I can help you with the sub therapy. I've been gone for a little while, had a major surgery and have been through a couple hard drives with computer problems but will be back on Friday after Thanksgiving. The link given to you above is the way I've worked with people here on subs for years. It's the way I finally got clean myself and have shared the process on this forum for a long time.

    You need to be in moderately severe w/d before the induction begins. Here is a link to the COWS worksheet so you can score yourself. If you begin too soon you'll get so sick you won't even believe it. You need to follow the COWS worksheet link to the letter. COWS is clinical opioid w/d scale. Here is the link for it.

    http://www.drugs.com/resources/opioi...wal-record.pdf

    I will check on you tomorrow. If you'll follow what I ask you to do I can have you totally clean including the subs in about sixty days with relatively little to no major problems. Enjoy your Thanksgiving and I'll speak with you tomorrow. Talk soon and God bless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    nic7sheree ...... I can help you with the sub therapy. I've been gone for a little while, had a major surgery and have been through a couple hard drives with computer problems but will be back on Friday after Thanksgiving. The link given to you above is the way I've worked with people here on subs for years. It's the way I finally got clean myself and have shared the process on this forum for a long time.

    You need to be in moderately severe w/d before the induction begins. Here is a link to the COWS worksheet so you can score yourself. If you begin too soon you'll get so sick you won't even believe it. You need to follow the COWS worksheet link to the letter. COWS is clinical opioid w/d scale. Here is the link for it.

    http://www.drugs.com/resources/opioi...wal-record.pdf

    I will check on you tomorrow. If you'll follow what I ask you to do I can have you totally clean including the subs in about sixty days with relatively little to no major problems. Enjoy your Thanksgiving and I'll speak with you tomorrow. Talk soon and God bless!
    Robert i was trying to locate you i dont kow how to get better i'v been sick for a long time Was taking subs for about a year and a half about 1mg. on my own bits and pieces per day my vicodine and other -other pain killers never took oxys or >>>>>> or anything like that my .addictions was about 5-6 pills a day for 10yrs i stopped taking the Suboxone in april and now its Nov. after 5weeks i couldnt take the withdrawals any more i have to work so i started taking a half 7.5 vicodine twice a day went to the Dr. he gave a me vicodine and Paxil. also i take xanax as needed for anxiety i cant take the Paxil it gets me sick.only took paxil for a few days I have to take 3 vicodine a day to stop the Burning ,Chills and head Zaps i still have deppression and that burning feeling cant get well should i go back on the subs? can you please help me ?

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    Hi Robert. Thanks to you and blue for replying... I am so scared! I have this "generalized panic and anxiety disorder"and half the time i dont know whats withrawls, whats the panic,ect. Thats why i dont have a clue as too when too know when i am in the right amount of "withdrawl" compared too the cows chart. I've gotten myself into such a Hole, financially and otherwise. It becomes so lonely. I look at people all the time and wish i could be happy like they are and not be so miserable and weak. And Wonder if i am going to have too struggle with all these mental issues the rest of my life, and ask myself if its worth it... I pray too God every night to give me a miracle or some strength and it just seems like he has given up on me.

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    Robert- I dont know much about this site yet.. is there a way for me to message you or something other than posting on here? Im so scared to go with the withdrawls, but i cant keep going the way i am. I wish i could be stronger. Ofcourse im always hoping for some "miracle" that never happens...I cant believe ive gotten myself into this position and im ruining my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Robert- I dont know much about this site yet.. is there a way for me to message you or something other than posting on here? Im so scared to go with the withdrawls, but i cant keep going the way i am. I wish i could be stronger. Ofcourse im always hoping for some "miracle" that never happens...I cant believe ive gotten myself into this position and im ruining my life.


    We do all of our communications right here on the forum so that others can benefit as well. If we did private communications you would have never seen the forum. You can understand my point I am sure. My opinion is that it's best to tackle one problem at a time. I can induct you on the subs myself right here on the forum. And I will likely induct you at less than 3mg total a day or thereabouts. Sub drs are ignorant for the most part and have no idea how to induct a person properly. They just get you addicted to the subs and have you on their money train for years. If you will be naive enough to do what I say I can help you. I've done this for a long time, have almost ten years clean and have probably worked with 1000 people getting them clean as well. But you have to follow instructions to the letter.

    Once we get you off the opiates then we'll deal with the anxiety issues. They will improve just getting you off those nasty oxys. They can make you a nervous wreck as every time they start wearing off you go into w/d and the cycle starts all over again.

    You need to score a 26 minimum on the COWS (clinical opioid w/d scale) worksheet prior to induction on the subs or you'll get so sick you won't even believe it. Here is a link to the COWS worksheet.

    http://www.drugs.com/resources/opioi...wal-record.pdf

    I am on and off the forum daily so if you post and I don't reply immediately relax. I will check on you when I get back online. Read the entire sub therapy link posted in blueopiate's reply above. This is the way we will do this so read it over and again so you understand why I am making the suggestions I make. Will talk with you soon. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    We do all of our communications right here on the forum so that others can benefit as well. If we did private communications you would have never seen the forum. You can understand my point I am sure. My opinion is that it's best to tackle one problem at a time. I can induct you on the subs myself right here on the forum. And I will likely induct you at less than 3mg total a day or thereabouts. Sub drs are ignorant for the most part and have no idea how to induct a person properly. They just get you addicted to the subs and have you on their money train for years. If you will be naive enough to do what I say I can help you. I've done this for a long time, have almost ten years clean and have probably worked with 1000 people getting them clean as well. But you have to follow instructions to the letter.

    Once we get you off the opiates then we'll deal with the anxiety issues. They will improve just getting you off those nasty oxys. They can make you a nervous wreck as every time they start wearing off you go into w/d and the cycle starts all over again.

    You need to score a 26 minimum on the COWS (clinical opioid w/d scale) worksheet prior to induction on the subs or you'll get so sick you won't even believe it. Here is a link to the COWS worksheet.

    http://www.drugs.com/resources/opioi...wal-record.pdf

    I am on and off the forum daily so if you post and I don't reply immediately relax. I will check on you when I get back online. Read the entire sub therapy link posted in blueopiate's reply above. This is the way we will do this so read it over and again so you understand why I am making the suggestions I make. Will talk with you soon. God bless.
    Nicole .... I will be on the forum as well and would like to offer my help when Robert is maybe away for a time. We will be crossing times between the two of us and can get to you at different times. Anyway I will be supporting you all the way and I want to wish you the very best. God Bless.....Denny

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    Robert, can you help me with getting MY life back, altho Im not on Suboxone? Im taking 30 or 40 mg's of Methadone a day right now, that Im getting off the street. Ive had back problems since I was 13, and Im 48 now. I can't name all of the pills and drugs Ive done over the years.... I'll drop my pride for a minute and tell you my brief history. I started on Loritabs at 13, done them everysince , then came the Oxycontins, the Roxicontins, >>>>>>, etc, etc. I had back surgery, Emergency Gall bladder surgery cause mine ruptured, which caused half my insides to become infected. Kidney stones, Ive passed 4 on my own and the Sonigram tells me Ive got 4 or 5 more, that move around from time to time, causing me pain and bloody pee. Anyway, about 7 years ago a Doc put me on 2 1/2 Suboxone's a day, and this was for about 3 years... HORRIBLE withdrawals off of that... I went right back to shooting roxy's and oxy's {until the OC's (oxy's) became OP's, which you CAN'T shoot}.
    During all this, my wife of about 20 years, died from
    a severe asthma attack... So, of course, I have depression issues which MAGNIFY when Im in withdrawals! Im "trying" to deal with her passing, but Im not doing a good job of that, either.
    So, now Im not working (construction welder) cause I filed for disability. My mother, bless her heart, is helping me with the bills, I don't have a DOCTOR cause I can't afford one. Long story short, I have to hustle, everyday, just to come up with 30mg's of Methadone to get me thru the next 24 hours.
    Hell, Im so messed up and tired of living this way, its not even funny. HOW and WHERE will I find the strength to get OVER THIS? I can give others good advice, but I can't take it myself. I mean, do I need to just accept the fact that THIS is how my life will be, EVERYDAY, from here on out?
    I've lost good, close, friends to this addiction over the years, but Im still shooting them, popping them, worshipping them.
    Anyone, that has any words that could help me, would you please respond? THANK YOU...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johngw43 View Post
    Robert, can you help me with getting MY life back, altho Im not on Suboxone? Im taking 30 or 40 mg's of Methadone a day right now, that Im getting off the street. Ive had back problems since I was 13, and Im 48 now. I can't name all of the pills and drugs Ive done over the years.... I'll drop my pride for a minute and tell you my brief history. I started on Loritabs at 13, done them everysince , then came the Oxycontins, the Roxicontins, >>>>>>, etc, etc. I had back surgery, Emergency Gall bladder surgery cause mine ruptured, which caused half my insides to become infected. Kidney stones, Ive passed 4 on my own and the Sonigram tells me Ive got 4 or 5 more, that move around from time to time, causing me pain and bloody pee. Anyway, about 7 years ago a Doc put me on 2 1/2 Suboxone's a day, and this was for about 3 years... HORRIBLE withdrawals off of that... I went right back to shooting roxy's and oxy's {until the OC's (oxy's) became OP's, which you CAN'T shoot}.
    During all this, my wife of about 20 years, died from
    a severe asthma attack... So, of course, I have depression issues which MAGNIFY when Im in withdrawals! Im "trying" to deal with her passing, but Im not doing a good job of that, either.
    So, now Im not working (construction welder) cause I filed for disability. My mother, bless her heart, is helping me with the bills, I don't have a DOCTOR cause I can't afford one. Long story short, I have to hustle, everyday, just to come up with 30mg's of Methadone to get me thru the next 24 hours.
    Hell, Im so messed up and tired of living this way, its not even funny. HOW and WHERE will I find the strength to get OVER THIS? I can give others good advice, but I can't take it myself. I mean, do I need to just accept the fact that THIS is how my life will be, EVERYDAY, from here on out?
    I've lost good, close, friends to this addiction over the years, but Im still shooting them, popping them, worshipping them.
    Anyone, that has any words that could help me, would you please respond? THANK YOU...
    John ..... Robert will probably be here shortly, but I was here now so I will try to help in some way if you don't mind until Robert gets here.

    I just posted to you about Subs on another post. I hope you didn't think that I was trying to shame you as I only wanted to make sure you had the correct information. Anyway Methadone is a very good medication, but it is a very difficult one to get clean from. But it can be done if done correctly.

    First you will need to taper your dose down to a respectful level. Somewhere between 10mg - 25mg's is best in my opinion. Then you may either jump from there or continue to taper even further. Methadone has a very long half-life which is about 72 hours or even longer.. That means in about 72 hours half of the medication will leave your body and half will remain. And in another 72 hours half will leave and half will remain. This goes on until all of the Methadone has left your system.

    Now if you keep adding or taking more of it, the half-life changes with each dose and everything "stretches" out longer. That's one reason of the difficulty of getting free from this medication. There are others as well. It takes a very strong-willed and determined person to taper the dose. You have to really want to do it!

    And when you get down to a very small mg dose, you may jump like I said and go cold turkey, or continue to reduce the dose to near zero. Or you may switch to Suboxone or Subutex. Both excellent medications, but they must be used correctly. You need to be in moderate to severe withdrawals and induct (begin) with the absolute lowest effective dose possible. Usually between 1mg - -4mg is what it takes, but everyone is different.

    If you would like or need further help. Robert, myself, or several others will be here to offer suggestions or advice to you. Just keep us informed with what you would like to do. We can't be here every minute so please be patient when you post. Hope this helps. God Bless.....Denny

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    Hi Denny and Robert. Well, i took my last hydro's this morning.Im a nervous wreck. Ofcourse ive been making calls trying to find more because i am so afraid of going through the withdrawls before i can take the sub. But no one has any. I have tried too read through the instructions for the induction, but my mind is in such a frenzy right now, im not getting it. The prescription i got sais that i have 8mg/2mg films and too take 1/2 film four times daily. What does the 8mg/2mg mean? Whatdo you guys know about gabapentin? I have beenprescribed this for nerve pain, and have been told i can take this while on the sub. Ihave also read other posts that gabapentin helps some people with the withdrawls. SO, let me know guys what you think, i imagine by tommorow night i will be in full withdrawl, but will have too wait and see.. It also doesnt help that my husband knows what im going through and thinks i should mentally be stronger and not week. That i should just be bouncin around doing cart wheels or something. Im so scared and tired of it all.and even havent began the withdrawls yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Hi Denny and Robert. Well, i took my last hydro's this morning.Im a nervous wreck. Ofcourse ive been making calls trying to find more because i am so afraid of going through the withdrawls before i can take the sub. But no one has any. I have tried too read through the instructions for the induction, but my mind is in such a frenzy right now, im not getting it. The prescription i got sais that i have 8mg/2mg films and too take 1/2 film four times daily. What does the 8mg/2mg mean? Whatdo you guys know about gabapentin? I have beenprescribed this for nerve pain, and have been told i can take this while on the sub. Ihave also read other posts that gabapentin helps some people with the withdrawls. SO, let me know guys what you think, i imagine by tommorow night i will be in full withdrawl, but will have too wait and see.. It also doesnt help that my husband knows what im going through and thinks i should mentally be stronger and not week. That i should just be bouncin around doing cart wheels or something. Im so scared and tired of it all.and even havent began the withdrawls yet.




    nic7sheree ...... First of all forget completely what the prescriptions says about taking 1/2 strip four times a day. NO WAY you will be taking anything four times a day or anything close to that dose. That dr is an idiot as he is prescribing you 16mg total a day. I will have you stable and doing great on 3mg or less a day. That is a promise! I know how to do this and have done this a thousand times.

    You don't want to be taking gabapentin at this time either. You don't even take an advil when you are waiting to be inducted. You're going to get sick, it's inevitable and a part of preperation for the induction. If you give in and take the subs too soon you won't even believe how sick you'll get. But once you reach the 26 score on the COWS worksheet I will have you feeling like you just got out of high school in a few hours. But up until then you will be having cold sweats, RLS, little or no sleep, probably diarrhea, all the good stuff, and you can't take anything to make you feel better until we induct you or you will just prolong your agony. DON'T TAKE ANYTHING!!! We want you to get to that 26 score asap!! Here is the COWS worksheet link.

    http://www.drugs.com/resources/opioi...wal-record.pdf

    The 8/2 filmstrips mean you have 8mg suboxone and it also contains 2mg of naloxone. For our purposes you just need to focus on the 8mg of suboxone. When I induct you we will start out with .5mg doses and when you are stable I assure you I'll have feeling great at 3mg or less total, not 16mg for the day like your goofy dr told you. That's why so many people end up here in trouble with subs is that the sub drs don't know what they are doing and mess more people up than they help by just giving you more and more.

    I don't know what to tell you about your husband except to let him read this post so he'll know what you're dealing with. It's only going to take a short amount of time until you reach the 26. But if you go buy any pills because you feel badly you will blow this and waste all your efforts. DON'T DO IT!!!!

    I'll have you totally clean and off the subs too in about sixty days. As you taper down your symptoms will be very minimal. You just have to be naive enough to listen to me. I did this myself, then wrote the sub therapy post based on what I did when I used subs. I have updated it three times over the years as I've become more knowledgeable and experienced working with so many opiate addicts. Just trust me is all I can tell you. I will NEVER tell you anything that will hurt you. But if you do what that dr says I promise you'll be back here begging for help to get off those subs in a year as he'll have you totally addicted to them.

    Keep me posted how you're doing. It won't take me long to make a reply as I check the computer periodically. You are only a matter of hours until you can change your life for the better and become an "earth person" again. God bless.
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    Hi Robert. Well right now i am burning and on fire. My mom called me today and knows what ive been doing and is worried about me. She sais i need to stop the pain pills or there going to kill me. It kills me that my mom is so worried and upset. I'm afraid to go to bed tonight because i know whats its going to be like. What do i need to do with my strips too get them ready? and how often will i take them a day?I wont take the gabapentin or anything untill you say its ok,but im wondering how that will affect the induction since they are not a narcotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Hi Robert. Well right now i am burning and on fire. My mom called me today and knows what ive been doing and is worried about me. She sais i need to stop the pain pills or there going to kill me. It kills me that my mom is so worried and upset. I'm afraid to go to bed tonight because i know whats its going to be like. What do i need to do with my strips too get them ready? and how often will i take them a day?I wont take the gabapentin or anything untill you say its ok,but im wondering how that will affect the induction since they are not a narcotic.





    Have you scored yourself on the COWS worksheet? If you're afraid of dealing with the RLS and not sleeping then don't go to bed tonight as it's easier to just stay awake than to toss and turn all night. No one ever died from missing a night's sleep. Take hot baths or something that will relax you some. The hot baths and showers help. This is the necessary evil part of getting yourself ready to be inducted that I explained. It doesn't matter that gabapentin is not a narcotic you still don't take it or you will just mess up the induction proglonging your misery. You don't take anything that makes you feel better PERIOD!!!

    The thing about addicts is that we spend years on drugs and then when we decide to get clean we think it should happen in a few hours. I did the same thing, I'm not judging you, just explaining what is happening. We all want instant gratification and that is what got us here in addiction. ANYTHING that makes you feel better will mess up the induction, even an advil! That is the bottom line. I can't help you with your mother, I'm sorry. I'm concerned about your induction and getting you clean. She'll get over it when she sees you better. I remember how my mother freaked out about me too and I had been using opiates for 35 years. She cried every single night for years. Made me feel like hell, but we are doing something now that will help you if you stick it out.

    After we use drugs for years the pain is actually worse than it would be if we were taking nothing. Addiction is painful in itself. Every time a few hours go by and we don't take something we start going into w/d and that causes pain in addition to our normal pain from whatever our problem is. You'll find that if you will stick this out and do what I say that when I get you on the subs and off the pain meds you'll feel like a new person. Once you get off the subs you won't believe how much less the pain you feel is. Things like Ibuprofen will actually help you then. So much of what you feel now is from taking the pain pills whether that makes sense to you or not.

    I can't do this for you but you're going to be really sick of me before I tell you to start on the subs. I won't put you into precipitated w/d and make you sick. I have NEVER made anyone sick during an induction though lots of people have been mad at me until I inducted them and made them feel great. You've got to pay the price, I did it too and I was taking over 100 pills a day or more including almost 1000 mg of Roxicodone IR daily. You've been taking hydrocodone for a few years. Not to minimize what you've done to yourself, I'm just saying that I've been in the floor puking, shaking and trembling, sweating, hallucinating, kicking my legs and arms, just name something. I literally bounced out of my bed from shaking so badly. You'll make it through this and you won't die even if you feel like you're going to.

    The film strips are right at an inch long. So fold it in half, then fold that in half, then fold that in half. That is three folds. Each little fold will be 1mg. You can cut one of the little 1mg folds off and cut that in half so it will be ready when I give you the word. You'll be shaking so badly then you will have a hard time doing it. BUT DON'T TAKE ANY BEFORE I SAY TO OR I PROMISE YOU'LL BE GOING TO THE ER!!! You should go ahead and score yourself on the COWS worksheet so we know where you stand. And be critical of yourself, don't cut yourself any slack. This is too important! I'll watch for your reply. God bless.
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    Well, It is 9:00 p.m. now. I took my last hydros at 10:30am.. I did the best i could with the cows chart and believe i am at a 15. Like i said though, I have generalized panic and anxiety disorder, so, sometimes i dont know whats the panic and whats not,. My pupils are more black than not, my stomache is upset, my body is on fire, and i feel somewhat shakey.Have been yawning alot, and my nose is running more than normal. I imagine by the morning i will be a mess. When i go to bed, i will wake up constantly with my arms and legs going crazy.If only you knew how weak i am mentally. Im going too go take a hot bubble bath and read my book in the tub too relax myself a little bit. I will check back after that too see if u have checked back in, if not and u are one to go tobed early. I will get on first thing in the morning. A part of me prays that i will get a phone call that someone has some hydros, and the other part sais no, because if i dont do this now, it will just be in a couple days, a week,ect. and i will have too do it.I dont have many choices.$120.00a day habit on a poor persons wages.Disgusting! And Im ruining my finances and my marriage by continuing on this path of evil.

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    Check with me after your bath. Possibly you'll be ready early in the morning. I go to church every Sunday but I would get up really early if it looked like you were going to be ready. Could walk you through it if you're a 26. Let me know in a little while. We just can't rush this. I am trying to look out for you. I never blow an induction. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Well, It is 9:00 p.m. now. I took my last hydros at 10:30am.. I did the best i could with the cows chart and believe i am at a 15. Like i said though, I have generalized panic and anxiety disorder, so, sometimes i dont know whats the panic and whats not,. My pupils are more black than not, my stomache is upset, my body is on fire, and i feel somewhat shakey.Have been yawning alot, and my nose is running more than normal. I imagine by the morning i will be a mess. When i go to bed, i will wake up constantly with my arms and legs going crazy.If only you knew how weak i am mentally. Im going too go take a hot bubble bath and read my book in the tub too relax myself a little bit. I will check back after that too see if u have checked back in, if not and u are one to go tobed early. I will get on first thing in the morning. A part of me prays that i will get a phone call that someone has some hydros, and the other part sais no, because if i dont do this now, it will just be in a couple days, a week,ect. and i will have too do it.I dont have many choices.$120.00a day habit on a poor persons wages.Disgusting! And Im ruining my finances and my marriage by continuing on this path of evil.

    Nicole ..... Wishing you the best and want to tell you that you couldn't be in better hands than Robert. He has done this right on this forum probably more than a thousand times successfully. Just follow his directions to the letter and all will be well.

    When someone questions what he suggests, or makes it harder for him at times, then this induction gets very complicated and very difficult to do for him. So I simply ask you to trust him and follow his directions. You will very glad that you did.

    And please put those thoughts right out of your head about getting more pills. Like you said, if you don't do this now then you will need to do it again. And you will have much less cash when you do. Each time to attempt to get clean makes it that much more difficult. Do this now for you, and those that love you as well. It is time. God Bless.....Denny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny_D View Post
    Nicole ..... Wishing you the best and want to tell you that you couldn't be in better hands than Robert. He has done this right on this forum probably more than a thousand times successfully. Just follow his directions to the letter and all will be well.

    When someone questions what he suggests, or makes it harder for him at times, then this induction gets very complicated and very difficult to do for him. So I simply ask you to trust him and follow his directions. You will very glad that you did.

    And please put those thoughts right out of your head about getting more pills. Like you said, if you don't do this now then you will need to do it again. And you will have much less cash when you do. Each time to attempt to get clean makes it that much more difficult. Do this now for you, and those that love you as well. It is time. God Bless.....Denny





    Check with mw in the early morning and we;llmake a game plan that is solid. Hang int there. God bless.
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    Im out of the bath, and trying to prepare for bed...One of my previous phobias was not sleeping at night, sothis makesme really nervous. I know it sounds silly to alot of people, but for some reason since i took wellbutrin 5 years ago and had a bad reaction too it,ect I have been fighting depression,panic and anxiety, weird phobias,ect. Anyways, the "poop exposions"(sorry) and stomache problems are starting and i can already tell my legs are burning, so, we'll see how i do through the night. Cant die from it right? Just hope it doesnt trigger one of my "3 month Panic-black hole episodes". I will check in, in the morning and rate myself on the cows and wait for you too let me know what too do. God bless, Nicole

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    Thank you also Denny... I will try not too question stuff much, but am really new i guess you could call it too the whole drug thing. Since 2years ago anyways. Before than i wouldnt even take aspirin! It took the dr.'s like 3years too finally get me on a anti-depressant, i was in such a black hole, i didnt think i would ever get out. Been struggling with a bunch of demons for 5 years now. Im praying to God that this is going too work for me, and i can stay strong.Any advice and help from others is truely appreciated. Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Thank you also Denny... I will try not too question stuff much, but am really new i guess you could call it too the whole drug thing. Since 2years ago anyways. Before than i wouldnt even take aspirin! It took the dr.'s like 3years too finally get me on a anti-depressant, i was in such a black hole, i didnt think i would ever get out. Been struggling with a bunch of demons for 5 years now. Im praying to God that this is going too work for me, and i can stay strong.Any advice and help from others is truely appreciated. Nicole




    Nicole ... I am up. How are you doing?
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    Nicole .... I am getting ready to leave for church. Will be home by 1:00 or so. Please don't do ANYTHING until we talk personally. I will check on you when I come in. Hopefully we can get you feeling good soon. Have faith, this will work! God bless.
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    Well it is almost 12:00 my time. When i went to bed last night i had the restless leg and arm syndrome rightaway.Must have eventually fell asleep because i didnt wake up till 10, although it was a resless sleep.So far today, i am on fire and burning like crazy, i can feel tremors in my body, some hand shaking, my pupils are dialeted about 75%, have gone to the restroom.mystomache is upset. Ive only truly been up for and hour or so, so not sure what too think. AS far as i can tell im at about 20 on the worksheet,but not for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Well it is almost 12:00 my time. When i went to bed last night i had the restless leg and arm syndrome rightaway.Must have eventually fell asleep because i didnt wake up till 10, although it was a resless sleep.So far today, i am on fire and burning like crazy, i can feel tremors in my body, some hand shaking, my pupils are dialeted about 75%, have gone to the restroom.mystomache is upset. Ive only truly been up for and hour or so, so not sure what too think. AS far as i can tell im at about 20 on the worksheet,but not for sure.


    Nicole .... It sounds like you're getting closer to induction time. That is a positive. I want you to take that COWS worksheet and do a score on yourself. Don't be too easy on yourself but be fair. Don't be over-critical either. Try to score yourself objectively. Then let me know what you score.

    It was two hours ago when you posted above. If you were truly a 20 at that time you should be getting close to that 26. Sometimes we tend to think we are worse than we really are but that is why I need you to do an assessment of your situation and score yourself. I'm hoping you're getting really close or are there and I can begin to help you.

    I will be watching for your reply. Hopefully this is your day! God bless.
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    Hi robert- Well i tried to laydown for awhile and just laid there, didnt sleep. I feel tremors going through my body, i have the chills real bad. By body is still on fire.I dont kow how much more i can take of this. My anxiety is starting to get worse. The best assessment i can make right now is a 22. My eyes are stayin the same,my hearrate is jumping some, but the chills and tremors are getting worse. My whole body hurts and i dont know. Dont know what too do.

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    Nicole ..... Did you cut up the filmstrips into .5mg pieces like I asked you to do before?
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    im trying to get these strips cut, but they are just sticking together

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    Thats what im trying to figure out, how to get them too .5 because the strips keep sticking together..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Thats what im trying to figure out, how to get them too .5 because the strips keep sticking together..



    If you can't fold them like I suggested do this. The strips are 7/8" long, close enough to call it an inch long. So 1mg would be 1/8". Cut a 1/8" long piece with a pair of scissors, you'll need a ruler or tape measure. Then cut that piece in half. That will give you .5mg. Can you handle that?
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    Im trying to get the strips ready. So once im ready,how willi know? What if i cant get ahold of you? And once i take one, how often willi take them?

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