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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Im trying to get the strips ready. So once im ready,how willi know? What if i cant get ahold of you? And once i take one, how often willi take them?


    Nicole ...... I'm not going anywhere! I will be right here. I want to be sure you do this right. It's very important that the first dose is only .5mg, so cut it accurately. That way if you made a mistake and you aren't quite as high on the COWS worksheet as you think you won't get terribly ill. Plus the way the subs work if you take just a little dose like .5mg and then wait an hour at least you give it plenty of time to work to its full potential. If you take a big piece you're just wasting it and risking making yourself extremely ill.

    So I am on Central Time in TX. I'ts almost 4:30. During all the time we've been talking since you said you were a 22, if you were right, then you should be ready to take .5mg now. Put it under your tongue and post back to me in 60 minutes, or 5:30 my time. Then we see how you're feeling and determine your next dose. This will go on for a few times most likely until we get you totally stable. Over the next few days we may make a couple of adjustments so this is perfect for you. But once we get you stable today, starting tomorrow you'll dose once in the morning and once in the late afternoon based on what we get you stable at today. Trust me I can do an induction better than anyone you'll ever meet. Just listen to me and you'll do wonderfully I promise. And I won't desert you .... that is a promise!

    Take that .5mg and talk with me at 5:30. God bless.
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    Sorry Nicole...... I should have said 4:30 rather than 5:30. I looked at the clock wrong.
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    HI robert- Not sure about the strip thing, It seems like they are wanting to fall apart.I got my husband too cut them for me, and i think i got it, I put one under my tongue, and it really didnt seem to want to stay. so not surehow well that went.It has been 1/2 hour and im not noticing a difference yet. I am going to run to the store, and will get back too you when i return. God bless, Nicole

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    Don't fret about it. I'm glad your husband is there to help you. It's hard to do things like that when you're in detox. We will get you through this and I promise you'll be feeling good soon. Post back to me in a little while so I know where we stand. We are going to get you right TONIGHT!!!

    Just stick the piece of the strip back in the back under your tongue. It will just dissolve. God bless!
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    HI Robert- I am back from the store. I am feeling somewhat better, i dont have the tremors and chills like i was having. I still dont feel good, i feel weak, my eyes are still 3/4 dialated also.I still have some of the burning, but not as bad. So what do you think?Where do we go from here?We should be on the same timezone, andit is 5:55 here.Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    HI Robert- I am back from the store. I am feeling somewhat better, i dont have the tremors and chills like i was having. I still dont feel good, i feel weak, my eyes are still 3/4 dialated also.I still have some of the burning, but not as bad. So what do you think?Where do we go from here?We should be on the same timezone, andit is 5:55 here.Nicole




    Nicole .... Go ahead and take another .5mg of film. I bet that will do it for you for tonight. Post back to me in an hour and if all is well we will make plans for tomorrow. I want you to feel NORMAL tonight, not just able to tolerate it. You need to sleep tonight and from here out you're going to feel totally normal once we get you stable. You won't be high at all, you'll just feel like a normal "earth person."
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    OK- I will take another and see howi feel. How long does it normally take for the sub too work? I pray to God thisis going too work. Im not sure about the burning, before i started the hydro, i had the burning and stomach and chest problems since i had my galbladder removed. I personally think its nerve damage, but idk. Im also curious as too starting tommorow, do you think i should start trying the gabapentin for my nerve issues to perhaps help me not feel the need for hydros? Thank you so much Robert for your help. I dont think i can put it into words. I have too work tommorow, but can log on from work. Are you home during the day, or do you only have access in the evenings? Thanks, Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    OK- I will take another and see howi feel. How long does it normally take for the sub too work? I pray to God thisis going too work. Im not sure about the burning, before i started the hydro, i had the burning and stomach and chest problems since i had my galbladder removed. I personally think its nerve damage, but idk. Im also curious as too starting tommorow, do you think i should start trying the gabapentin for my nerve issues to perhaps help me not feel the need for hydros? Thank you so much Robert for your help. I dont think i can put it into words. I have too work tommorow, but can log on from work. Are you home during the day, or do you only have access in the evenings? Thanks, Nicole



    Nicole ..... I am retired so I am on and off here all during the day. These little doses I use normally take an hour or so depending on how we metabolize drugs to take full effect. The goofy drs tell people to take big doses then they have you addicted to another drug so you can make their BMW payments. Pisses me off! Just listen to me and this will work. I've done this for years.

    You won't feel any craving for hydros using subs. If you are in pain from nerve issues I would take a minimal dose of the gabapentin. But trust me first to see how you feel trying tomorrow without automatically taking it. Talk with me and let's make the decision together before using the gabapentin. It has w/d too if the time comes that you want to stop it. So if we can do this without it you're better off.

    Talk with you in an hour. So glad this is going so well. Can you believe that stupid dr said to take 1/2 a strip four times a day and you're going to be good at about 1mg instead of the 16mg he told you to take? That is insane! God bless.
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    Hi Robert- Well ithas been about1hour since i took the other.5.Not feeling any better and am starting to have some shakes and chills. Im wonderingifi should take 1 mg at a time? I will await your advise. Depending on that, what will theplanbe for tommorow? Will i take it 2 times aday, 4 times a day,ect. I can say that im am better than earlier today. I'm hoping that God has intervened somewhat, as when i was laying in bed this morning, i wondered what it would feel like too walk out my front door, slit my wrists and lay in my yard untill it ended. I have been struggling so many demons for the past 5years, that it scares me too think that i will have too struggle with them the rest of my life, and if it is worth it.You are the only one i have told this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Hi Robert- Well ithas been about1hour since i took the other.5.Not feeling any better and am starting to have some shakes and chills. Im wonderingifi should take 1 mg at a time? I will await your advise. Depending on that, what will theplanbe for tommorow? Will i take it 2 times aday, 4 times a day,ect. I can say that im am better than earlier today. I'm hoping that God has intervened somewhat, as when i was laying in bed this morning, i wondered what it would feel like too walk out my front door, slit my wrists and lay in my yard untill it ended. I have been struggling so many demons for the past 5years, that it scares me too think that i will have too struggle with them the rest of my life, and if it is worth it.You are the only one i have told this too.




    Nicole ...... Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I actually held a loaded and cocked 9mm to my head and was ready to pull the trigger at one time. I know God intervened for me.

    Let's go ahead and take 1mg more. I don't want to run this up into the middle of the night as you have to work tomorrow. I know you have to work tomorrow. I would take the 1mg, take a hot bath or shower to relax and try to get some sleep.
    We are still only at 2mg which is good compared to 16mg like the dr said.

    In the morning take 1mg as soon as you get up. I will post to you when I get up and then we will see how your'e doing regarding the gabapentin and such. The goal tomorrow is to only take two doses a day and from now on. Four doses a day is addictive behavior and your dr should have known that. Everyone takes either one or two doses each day. And the way I do the induction it lasts four days. During that time we may need to make adjustments as I keep you on such a small dose compared to what the dr says we have to be right on the money, there is no room for error. That is how you get clean the fastest way taking the "lowest effective dose." Once the induction is over you'll stay at that dose up to a week to allow for the actual opiate detox, then we begin the taper process. We will get into all that later. Take your meds and hit the bath or shower and try to get some sleep and we'll talk tomorrow. God bless.
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    OK, I took another 1mg. Im on my way too the bath, which usually lasts 1hour and than will be getting ready for bed. Hopefully i dont have any rls tonight. Do you think i will? I wake up about 6:30 too get ready for work, so i will take the 1mg and post on here too see what info you have for me. Thank you so much, and im crossing my fingers that i am going to be strong enough too handle all this. Feeling much better tonight though versus this morning. Nicole

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    You'll do better tonight. You're exhausted if nothing else. I'll talk with you in the morning. Get some rest. Sleep well. You could even take a sleep aid if you have anything. God bless.
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    Hi Robert- I slept well lastnight, took my 1 mg about 20 mins ago. Not sure how i feel this morning. A little scared i guess, about how the day is going to go. Feel a bit shaky this morning, some body aches. We will see. Im so used to taking the pills when i get up to feel better and than throughout the day. So this is going to be a test, for sure. I will message you from work later to let you know how im feeling. i guess so we can figure if the 1 mg is going too work.Nicole

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    Hi Robert- Im at work, didnt feel like coming too work at all. But trying to not miss any work. I am feeling really weak, and a little shaky. My body is not aching so bad, and i dont have the burning right now. Kinda feel sick too my stomach also. I do feel depressed which i imagine is normal, but i guess my main concern is that i feel very weak and a little shaky. Let me know what you think. It has been almost 2 hours since i took the 1 mg. Thanks so much and god bless. Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic7sheree View Post
    Hi Robert- Im at work, didnt feel like coming too work at all. But trying to not miss any work. I am feeling really weak, and a little shaky. My body is not aching so bad, and i dont have the burning right now. Kinda feel sick too my stomach also. I do feel depressed which i imagine is normal, but i guess my main concern is that i feel very weak and a little shaky. Let me know what you think. It has been almost 2 hours since i took the 1 mg. Thanks so much and god bless. Nicole



    Go ahead and take 1mg more of the subs. We will be adjusting this over the next few days. Let me know what difference this makes in an hour or so. God bless.
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    Hi Robert, I am a new poster here but I have been on the site to read inspirational stories of people stopping suboxone sucessfully from time to time. I have been on Suboxone for approx. 3 years and weaned myself down to .5mg daily. I did that for 6 days with no ill side effects and no withdrawal. I didn't take any this past Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday, and after being sick of no sleep I took .25 mg Wednesday, Thursday ande Friday. I had nothing Saturday or Sunday and again no sleep. Not really feeling all that bad, some anxiety and no chance in hell of sleeping, but other than that I am ok. I did have approx. .125mg left which I took this morning but it didn't do anything for me. I feel no different. Did I just screw everything up and now I am at day 1 again? I want to be done and have no intentions on going back to the dr. I am a full time student about to graduate and I have 2 small children so I just want my life back. Not to mention I cannot afford this anymore. Can you please give me idea on when I will feel the full blown effects of what I have done and approx. how long they will last. I know you're no a psychic but any words or encouragement or anything at this point will do. Thank you so much! You're a God send!

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    Hi Robert- I just took another 1 mg, i am not feeling all that good at all. I will post back in an hour too let you know how im doing. Also, i go see my pain specialist tommorow- the one who prescribed me the sub. What should i tell him and not tell him. Should i tell him im taking less than what he prescribed me, or just play it like im doing what he prescribed me? Thanks, Nicole

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    Nod yes when you need to, get your meds and leave. It's none of his business what you are doing. Don't offer anything. I don't say to lie, just don't offer information or he'll just get pissed off.
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    I figured that was the plan, but just thought i would check with you. They really are all a**holes anyways, and really doesnt care about me and mine... Thanks,Nicole
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunwithitall View Post
    Hi Robert, I am a new poster here but I have been on the site to read inspirational stories of people stopping suboxone sucessfully from time to time. I have been on Suboxone for approx. 3 years and weaned myself down to .5mg daily. I did that for 6 days with no ill side effects and no withdrawal. I didn't take any this past Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday, and after being sick of no sleep I took .25 mg Wednesday, Thursday ande Friday. I had nothing Saturday or Sunday and again no sleep. Not really feeling all that bad, some anxiety and no chance in hell of sleeping, but other than that I am ok. I did have approx. .125mg left which I took this morning but it didn't do anything for me. I feel no different. Did I just screw everything up and now I am at day 1 again? I want to be done and have no intentions on going back to the dr. I am a full time student about to graduate and I have 2 small children so I just want my life back. Not to mention I cannot afford this anymore. Can you please give me idea on when I will feel the full blown effects of what I have done and approx. how long they will last. I know you're no a psychic but any words or encouragement or anything at this point will do. Thank you so much! You're a God send!



    Honestly if you made it down to .125mg it would be easier if you had a little left over to do the day skipping process. But you can handle this with a little help right where you are.

    Get some exercise, drink lots of fluids, protein shakes at this time, if you can get a muscle relaxer like a soma for few days for any body aches or a few klonopin for anxiety to get you through the last few days you'll be okay.

    You are down to next to nothing. I would NOT go back to the dr either at this point. Worst case is that you'll feel kind of rough a few days but you'll survive. Hang in there and keep me posted. If you start having any particular symptoms let me know and I can give you some suggestions.

    Hang in there! Congratulations on taking your final dose! You are now clean and that is awesome! You never have to use again!! God bless.
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    Hi Robert- Well it has been an hour since i took the 2nd 1mg dose, and have noticed i feel a bit better. I am beginning to have some of my stomache.bloating problems which is one of the reasons i got hooked on the Hydros. Ever since I had my gallbladder removed(3 yrs ago) I get bloated very easily and than get a constant burning in my stomach and chest area, the only thing i can think of is that i have nerve damage from the surgery and gas is building up in my system and not releasing- dont want to get gross but i pretty much never fart and feel miserable. So, other than that, so far i have taken 2 mg today and am feeling ok. Definately dont have a "spring in my step" but ok. I am going to go take my lunch break, and eat lunch. Nervous about eating as i know it will bloat me pretty bad, but i need to eat. I will check in with you in a couple hours and let you know how im feeling and await your advise. As always, god bless and thank you from the bottom of my heart. Nicole

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    I was out on the treadmil kicking myself in the ass waiting for your reply, thinking to myself that I just royally screwed me over. Wouldn't be the first time. I am anticipating a rough 4 or so days, but nothing I can't handle. I was praying the whole time that what I was going to come back in here and read would be uplifting and give me strength, and once again the Great Lord answered my prayers. I'm sitting here writting you through tears, I haven't cried this hard in a long time and they are tears of joy. I will keep you updated, and let you know how it goes. If there is a Saint for addicts you are it!!!! I feel like I just won the lottery
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    Hi Robert- Well it is 2:30, and i am feeling ok. Still a little weak and shakey and becoming irritable. Let me know what you think, Thanks so much, Nicole

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    Honestly if you made it down to .125mg it would be easier if you had a little left over to do the day skipping process. But you can handle this with a little help right where you are.

    Get some exercise, drink lots of fluids, protein shakes at this time, if you can get a muscle relaxer like a soma for few days for any body aches or a few klonopin for anxiety to get you through the last few days you'll be okay.

    You are down to next to nothing. I would NOT go back to the dr either at this point. Worst case is that you'll feel kind of rough a few days but you'll survive. Hang in there and keep me posted. If you start having any particular symptoms let me know and I can give you some suggestions.

    Hang in there! Congratulations on taking your final dose! You are now clean and that is awesome! You never have to use again!! God bless.

    I had one more quick question. I suffer from what all of us humans do, fear of the unknown. What day will likely be the worst? Will I have to wait a full 4 days before I see this ugly thing rear its head? I have always been the type of person who goes into withdrawal quickly and never needed the full 36 - 72 hrs. I would just like to have an idea of what to expect. So far the wd's haven't been too bad just the normal diarrhea, insomnia, and irritability which for me is great because every other time I've tried to quite (which was always at 1-2mgs) I had the works: sweating, nausea, diarrhea, insomnia, skin hurts, muscle aches, ect...... I understand if you don't care to answer this, but it would bring more peace to my mind. You are wonderful! Please keep doing what you are doing, when I graduate nursing in the spring I'm thinking of doing psychiatric nursing because addiction falls under that category, and I can surely relate! Thank you so much Robert, and God Bless You!

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    Hi Robert- It is almost 4:00 and I am getting more irritable as the afternoon goes, and some body aches. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Nicole

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    Hi Robert- It is almost 4:00 and I am getting more irritable as the afternoon goes, and some body aches. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Nicole


    Nicole .... take some advil, a muscle relaxer like a soma, even a klonopin or valium would help. It's also getting close to being time where you could take your second dose of the day. I would rather see you do that than take other drugs.

    Like I told you these first couple days we will be seeing how you react and making adjustments as we go. The advil and soma are great for body aches, but if you don't have any access then go ahead and take the second 2mg dose. We will then hope that gets you through the evening. If you don't have anything for body aches get to the store and get something like Advil. You might be wise to pick up some excedrin PM as well to help with sleep. Want to keep the sub dose down to as low as we can. Hope that helps and keep in touch. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunwithitall View Post
    I had one more quick question. I suffer from what all of us humans do, fear of the unknown. What day will likely be the worst? Will I have to wait a full 4 days before I see this ugly thing rear its head? I have always been the type of person who goes into withdrawal quickly and never needed the full 36 - 72 hrs. I would just like to have an idea of what to expect. So far the wd's haven't been too bad just the normal diarrhea, insomnia, and irritability which for me is great because every other time I've tried to quite (which was always at 1-2mgs) I had the works: sweating, nausea, diarrhea, insomnia, skin hurts, muscle aches, ect...... I understand if you don't care to answer this, but it would bring more peace to my mind. You are wonderful! Please keep doing what you are doing, when I graduate nursing in the spring I'm thinking of doing psychiatric nursing because addiction falls under that category, and I can surely relate! Thank you so much Robert, and God Bless You!



    Subs have a half life of up to 72 hours or more. Depending on how fast you metabolize drugs and some other variables it could be 2-3 days before it really hits. It could be less. I don't think it will be as bad as you might be thinking. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm here to help you any way that I can. Hope that helps. God bless.
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    Hi Robert- yeah, i am getting a splitting headache, and very agitated. I also just got a text from my "friend" telling me she had some hydro's and we preceeded to get into a fight. So im not doing too well, So you think i should go ahead and take 2mg now, and hopefully that will get me by the rest of the evening? instead of 1mg.

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    I have never heard of SOMA. What is that? Thanks Robert

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    Nicole ..... Soma is a prescription muscle relaxer. I have to use it sometimes for my fibromyalgia, degenerative disc disease and a couple other autoimmune medical disorders. It really would help your body aches and if your regular dr has any pity for you at all he /she should call you in just a few to help you through this. And it isn't a narcotic pain pill at all. That would be awesome if they would help you out.

    As far as the headaches go the best thing I've EVER seen over the years for sub headaches is Excedrin MIGRAINE. Be sure to get the MIGRAINE one. I guarantee it will knock out that headache better than any other headache med you can get over the counter.

    Yes, I would take the 2mg. That should also help with the agitation. You're still only at 4mg for the second day. That isn't bad. As I said before we wil be cutting your dose back some on day four anyway so just trust me. I, of all people, am not about to tell you to take more subs than you need. I am a freak about keeping this to a minimum.

    Try to relax, but get to the store right after you call your dr and ask them if they would call you in even a dozen soma just this one time. Tell them what you're going through, a cold turkey detox and you just need some help with body aches and I suggested this to you. Tell the dr I've been doing this with people for years and you only need a few, as in a dozen or so. Hope that helps and the dr will be understanding. If you aren't able to get an answer from him today you should be able to by tomorrow. Just be honest with them.

    Let me know asap how things go. You're in my prayers. God bless.
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