Oxycodone VS. Hydromorphone

[Jennifer1984]

Hello,

Does anyone know which pain killer is stronger in comparison? Any helpful information or personal opinion is greatly appreciated!

Oxycodone 5mg (Percocet) *** versus *** Hydromorphone 4mg (Dilaudid) ---- to keep it on the same playing field, let’s say they were both produced by Mallinckrodt, so the Percocet in question will be the white round pill with “512” on the front and scored on the back; and the Dilaudid will be the white small round pill with “M” on the front and “4” on the back.

With this being said which pill is stronger?

Also, if the Dilaudid is stronger than the Percocet 5mg, would it be stronger then a Percocet 10mg?

Even better, is there any ratio to clarify the potency between the two products? Example: 1mg of Hydromorphone is equal to 2mg of Oxycodone; or vice versa? (This example is in no way fact, as I am just trying to explain my question better.)

More importantly, is Hydromorphone based products considered an opiate? For example, say someone is addicted to Percocet and Vicodin and are unable to find either pill one day, so instead they take a Hydromorphone pill… will they experience any withdraw symptoms? I know there a lot of factors to consider such as how many MGs have they been taking and what is there tolerance etc etc. However, for the sake of this question and example, let’s just say they took enough MGs of hydromorphone that day to be equal to the amount of oxycodone they are used to consuming... so, would they feel any withdraw symptoms? Basically, to reiterate, I am wondering if hydromorphone is in the opiate family?

I know this is a very long winded question(s), and for that I am sorry. However, if anyone has any thoughts or personal opinions on this matter, I’d really like to hear them. If anyone has the answer to these questions, I’d greatly appreciate your help!! Thank you very much everyone! This website is awesome!

~~~ Jennifer ~~~

again, thank you all very much!! Merry Christmas!!

[tunafizzle]

Hello,

Does anyone know which pain killer is stronger in comparison? Any helpful information or personal opinion is greatly appreciated!

Oxycodone 5mg (Percocet) *** versus *** Hydromorphone 4mg (Dilaudid) ---- to keep it on the same playing field, let’s say they were both produced by Mallinckrodt, so the Percocet in question will be the white round pill with “512” on the front and scored on the back; and the Dilaudid will be the white small round pill with “M” on the front and “4” on the back.

With this being said which pill is stronger?
4mg of Hydromorphone/Dilaudid is roughly equal to a little over 10mg of oxycodone


Also, if the Dilaudid is stronger than the Percocet 5mg, would it be stronger then a Percocet 10mg?
Again yes. 1mg of dilaudid is roughly equal to 2.5mg of oxycodone

Even better, is there any ratio to clarify the potency between the two products? Example: 1mg of Hydromorphone is equal to 2mg of Oxycodone; or vice versa? (This example is in no way fact, as I am just trying to explain my question better.)

1mg hydromorphone=2.67mg oxycodone
1mg oxycodone= .38mg hydromorphone
Dilaudid is roughly 2.5x stronger than oxycodone

More importantly, is Hydromorphone based products considered an opiate?
yes
For example, say someone is addicted to Percocet and Vicodin and are unable to find either pill one day, so instead they take a Hydromorphone pill… will they experience any withdraw symptoms? I know there a lot of factors to consider such as how many MGs have they been taking and what is there tolerance etc etc. However, for the sake of this question and example, let’s just say they took enough MGs of hydromorphone that day to be equal to the amount of oxycodone they are used to consuming... so, would they feel any withdraw symptoms? Basically, to reiterate, I am wondering if hydromorphone is in the opiate family?
yes, although Dilaudid is an opiate, it's fallen into (mostly) disuse since the 1970s. But has made somewhat of a comeback in recent years. It has a half life of 2-3 hours, and unlike hydro/oxycodone which are derived from thebaine, hydromorphone is derived directly from morphine and is structurally similar to Opana

I know this is a very long winded question(s), and for that I am sorry. However, if anyone has any thoughts or personal opinions on this matter, I’d really like to hear them. If anyone has the answer to these questions, I’d greatly appreciate your help!! Thank you very much everyone! This website is awesome!

~~~ Jennifer ~~~

again, thank you all very much!! Merry Christmas!!

Hope I managed to answer your question and happy holidays!!

[Cats Meow]

Tuna nails it except, Dilaudid is an opioid, technically the only opiates are morphine, codeine and heroin.

To answer your other question, taking Dilaudid should help you stay out of w/d.

[Jennifer1984]

Thanks Tuna and Cat.

I am not doubting you at all, but in your opinion what do you think is better? I’ve taking both before and I didn’t think a Hydromorphone 4mg was even close to a Perc 10mg. Actually without seeing your response today, if I had a choice between a perc 5mg and a hydro 4mg – I would have taken the P5. obviously I wouldn’t do that now though.

So you like H4 better then P10? In your opinion…

[tunafizzle]

Thanks Tuna and Cat.

I am not doubting you at all, but in your opinion what do you think is better? I’ve taking both before and I didn’t think a Hydromorphone 4mg was even close to a Perc 10mg. Actually without seeing your response today, if I had a choice between a perc 5mg and a hydro 4mg – I would have taken the P5. obviously I wouldn’t do that now though.

So you like H4 better then P10? In your opinion…

Hydromorphone has such a short half-life, although it is strong. I think I'd go with a good brand of perc 10 over dilaudid 4mg though.

[Cats Meow]

Honestly it seems to me the stats for hydromorphone are inflated, back when I did pills they didn't do much for me and would always prefer an Oxy, so in my personal opinion and experience I pick the Percocet 10.

They say, compared to morphine, hydromorphone is 4 times stronger, Oxycodone is 1.5-2 times stronger.
For some reason certain drugs work better for some people, many would make hydrocodone their d.o.c if it didn't have apap and could come in any strength.

[Jennifer1984]

Tuna - No i think P10 is way better then the H4! I dont even think it is close, thats why i'm surprised to hear that they are stronger??

Cat - I agree with you. the stats must be inflated.

what do you like better Tuna?

Are H4's safe to bump??

[Cats Meow]

What do you mean bump? Take more? That would depend on how naive you are. If you mean snort, smoke or shoot, I'm not going to say they are. What is bump?

[Scoliosis]

I just got 3 x 30mg dilaudid / hydromorp contin pills from a friend with a similar problems and was not impressed.

Took 15 mg first, put me to sleep. No pain.

I am afraid to take the big red 30mg , perhaps I will after I eat to see if will help ..

note: current daily dose is @ 3 x 80mg oxy slow release + 30mg Instant Release as needed.

Honestly it seems to me the stats for hydromorphone are inflated, back when I did pills they didn't do much for me and would always prefer an Oxy, so in my personal opinion and experience I pick the Percocet 10.

They say, compared to morphine, hydromorphone is 4 times stronger, Oxycodone is 1.5-2 times stronger.
For some reason certain drugs work better for some people, many would make hydrocodone their d.o.c if it didn't have apap and could come in any strength.