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    I take subs here and there for the past 2 weeks. Usually just a quarter or a half. I haven't taken a pain pill for about a week but reinjured a shoulder lifting this morning. I took half a suboxen yesterday morning. Will a norco even work for pain right now? Will I need to take more than usual for pain or will no amount work? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 916boarder View Post
    I take subs here and there for the past 2 weeks. Usually just a quarter or a half. I haven't taken a pain pill for about a week but reinjured a shoulder lifting this morning. I took half a suboxen yesterday morning. Will a norco even work for pain right now? Will I need to take more than usual for pain or will no amount work? Thanks in advance.
    Suboxone is so much stronger then a norco....the question dosnt make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisterwin2 View Post
    Suboxone is so much stronger then a norco....the question dosnt make sense to me.
    I don't have any more subs but have norcs

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    Default 100 days , no opiates all b/c of suboxone

    Greetings All,

    I just read this entire thread & it baffled me that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON was asking how long suboxone stayed in your system, so you could pass a drug test!!!! That is the reason why I stumbled across this page & I'm glad I did.

    First, I think that in order for ANY type of Rehab treatment to work, you MUST have the mindset. Think of your journey to recovery like a marriage, for instance. Are you 100% committed to stopping this addiction & doing WHATEVER it takes to kick it...FOREVER, EVER? You really have to be "sick and tired of being sick and tired" in order for anything to work. You have to be committed to YOUR program & suboxone, when taken accordingly, is a miracle drug & SAVES LIVES. Period.

    Now...the OBVIOUS PROBLEM with suboxone arises when, instead of having the "marriage" type mindset, you MORONS out there treat the drug like a drive-thru wedding in Vegas. I honestly couldn't believe these people were wasting time typing & researching on this forum...to see when the subox leaves your system so you can go get high after! You people are the reason why suboxone has a flawed reputation in society. I ESPECIALLY love the guy (think it's post #34) who has this kick-ass awesome PRO-suboxone story, and casually throws in there ... "he only SNORTS 2mg a day now". WTF? Are you serious right now? I'm going to believe, just for myself, that you are an ignorant human being with no clue about addiction & recovery whatsoever. I may not know too much, but i know 1 thing: YOU CAN'T CURE DUMB.

    So, I just have a few more comments to add, and then a question for the big Robert (and whoever else has any insight please).

    First, I am not your typical drug "addict", in the sense that I have NEVER been in denial that I had a problem. I have the genetic pre-disposition, and Ive been dependent on opiates for most of my mid-upper 20s. I would wake up every day & I knew I was an addict, but in my case, I am pursuing a J.D., and I was scared that if I went into treatment, that I would not get approval to sit for the Bar Exam. Boy, was I happy that I chose my LIFE over my career. The ONLY reason I am disclosing this is because I KNOW there are more people out there in the same boat as me. In medical, dental, law school, etc & scared out of treatment in fear of the ramifications it will have on your Career.

    Now, for many out there that are unfamiliar with how these Boards grant discretionary approval, it is a COMPLETE & UTTER nightmare, & it is a huge hurdle that stands in the way of many people's recovery. For instance, for the Bar Exam, not only must I disclose any narcotic pain meds Ive been on for the past 5 yrs, but I must also sign away my HIPAA rights so that the Bar Association can go pull any medical record of mine, from any doctor I've ever seen, for as long as they want & there isn't a damn thing I can do about it. So for any of you that need help with this very issue, I've lived it for 3 years in law school, and I've seen many friends have serious consequences. If you have any questions about this aspect of the addiction/recovery process, please post, but for some GENERAL ADVICE if you are in this situation: FIX THE PROBLEM. GET INTO TREATMENT. AND WORRY ABOUT THE NEXT STEP AFTER. BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF & THE COMMITTEE YOU WILL HAVE TO FACE AS WELL.

    Sorry for such the long blast guys, but I read quite a few differing opinions on this & I'm still not sure what the correct thing to do is.

    Here's my deal: I went into treatment 100 days ago, where suboxone was pescribed. The prescribing doctor, who was an Addiction Specialist (that is IMPORTANT, so go to one of those) told me that I would most likely need to be on some dose of the suboxone for the next 6-12 months. The obvious & fearful question here was "Why? So I can just become addicted to that & need another detox?"

    Now, I took my normal dosage of suboxone for the 1st month or so. Afterwards, I decided that I would only take dosages dependent on how I felt that day, so basically I would go one day with 1/4 of an 8mg, and go 3 days with nothing. Now, the only time I use a suboxone is if I have a really bad craving. I'm not talking about an "I want a do-nut craving" , I'm talkin BLOOD TO A VAMPIRE, make you want to drop on the floor with a flashlight & search under your bed (remember those aweful days??) type of craving. Now, maybe this makes sense & maybe it doesn't, but taking the suboxone in this matter is helpful in 2 ways, but I certainly can see the slippery slope that could potentially occur.

    It helps me by taking it to deal with the cravings (which aren't often, but every now & then) by 1.) blocking those good ole opioid receptors & 2.) by psyching myself out because I know even if I found an old Lortab under the bed, it wouldn't work b/c the subox was already in my system.

    The slippery slope here is the obvious...what happens when you run out of the suboxone & you have a craving? And also, the actual "behavior" in my recovery is theoretically the same "behavior" as before...another words, I feel something, and my knee-jerk reaction is to pop a pill. Now maybe I'm being too overly critical, & if this system works for me, stick to it. BUt deep down, I don't feel this is a foolproof system that I want to bank my sobriety on. Some say to just throw the rest of my Rx for subox away. WHat do you all think?

    And, lastly, but certainly not least.....ADDICTION IS A SOUL-STEALING DISEASE. FOR THOSE OF YOU ON THIS FORUM THAT ARE PLAYING THIS CAT-N-MOUSE, VICIOUS CYCLE WITH THE "JUST TAKING ENOUGH SUBOXONE TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN STILL GET HIGH AFTER"...YOU ARE PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH A FULLY LOADED GUN. THERE IS A BULLET IN EVERY CHAMBER. THE KEY IS NOT THE # OF BULLETS, BUT THE # OF TIMES WE PULL THAT TRIGGER.

    Thanks to all who took time out to create this page, & to all who read this obnoxiously long post...sorry

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    Default Detox from Oxycodone...Suboxone timetable?

    Thank you all who have posted prior to me, i found great insight and information regarding Suboxone. My question to all is this; I am currently taking 60-90 mg of oxycodone a day and I know I need to stop, not because it is quite expensive but because I want to better my life and my business. I know that suboxone subdues the cravings and in the long run, helps elude the pains of detox and will help me stay sober from Oxycodone 30's. When I have detoxed before, it is a good 4-5 days before I can even have a clear thought and go back to work on a normal level. But does anyone have or had a similar situation, and if so, when you stopped, how long before you were through detoxing and back to the "normal" self? Another question I had was, how long if you are trying to detox do you need to stay on suboxone? a week? two? Im reading all these posts where people are on Suboxone for months at a time, and Im wondering if the drug is supposed to cut cravings and help you get off the sauce, I would think that after a week or two, you would be back to normal and wouldnt need the Suboxone again. I always looked at this drug as a "helper" to get back to normal without the serious strains and pains of a standard natural detox. Please get back to me, I am very interested on what everyone has to say regarding my questions. Thank you all in advance.

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    Default xanax withdrawal

    I've been on xanax for 5 days and take about 5 2mg a day and stopppin tommorowo.. will i experience withdrawls from it or what? i also take suboxon too will that help> NEeEd help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackal110 View Post
    I used to be addicted to >>>>>>, oxycontin, and any other pain medication classified as opiate. After 2 years of addiction I enrolled myself in Suboxone treatment. I started taking 16mg per day. After 11 months of treatment my dose is now 2mg per day.

    This month something went wrong with my prescription and I ran out of meds 2 days before my next refill (possibly the pharmacy's fault). I need to learn to count my pills each month when they are filled.

    Regardless, I would like to share the withdraw symptoms I am experiencing. Stomach ache, cold and hot sweats, pins and needles, back ache. All of that with an additional laziness and slight depression.

    I believe that my dose should be lowered to 1mg per day before I quit my meds. Mentally I am ready to quit my dependency on pills. However, physically, I can not handle these withdrawal symptoms. I have a very active life, and the way I feel when I'm not taking Suboxone just keeps me on my ass.
    Sub's are just as addictive as any other pill, perhaps more so in some cases. Hell people can become addicted to caffeine and suffer withdraw symptoms. Eventually if you want to kick pills all together you're going to have to face your withdraw head on. I understand that hypnosis works in 3 out of 10 people. Worth a shot if you've tried everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtone13 View Post
    Thank you all who have posted prior to me, i found great insight and information regarding Suboxone. My question to all is this; I am currently taking 60-90 mg of oxycodone a day and I know I need to stop, not because it is quite expensive but because I want to better my life and my business. I know that suboxone subdues the cravings and in the long run, helps elude the pains of detox and will help me stay sober from Oxycodone 30's. When I have detoxed before, it is a good 4-5 days before I can even have a clear thought and go back to work on a normal level. But does anyone have or had a similar situation, and if so, when you stopped, how long before you were through detoxing and back to the "normal" self? Another question I had was, how long if you are trying to detox do you need to stay on suboxone? a week? two? Im reading all these posts where people are on Suboxone for months at a time, and Im wondering if the drug is supposed to cut cravings and help you get off the sauce, I would think that after a week or two, you would be back to normal and wouldnt need the Suboxone again. I always looked at this drug as a "helper" to get back to normal without the serious strains and pains of a standard natural detox. Please get back to me, I am very interested on what everyone has to say regarding my questions. Thank you all in advance.
    Personally if you're coming off of a oxy habbit I would try sub's every other day for a week. The reason being is that Sub's are also a very addictive pill. If you're withdraw from oxy is a 4-7 day affair you can usually get by with half a sub every other day for a week or two and be fine. After that in most cases it is purely mental.

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    Default My experiance with suboxone



    I had been perscribed lartab 10mg for three years for chronic back pain never took them at all. A year later I couldnt function without them. I made the biggest mistake of entering a methadose or methadone treatment facility. I was there for a year and started @ 30mg going up to 90mg.... another mistake. I detoxed 1mg a day with no detox symptoms of course that was because only made it down to 50mg. I recently stopped (2 weeks ago) taking methadone I made it about three days when I felt like death (seriously) so I decided I would try Suboxone.... wow was that a mistake 4 hours later im in the er cant breath dry heaving and blood pressure bouncing so irratable i wanted to jump out of my own body. i did not think i was going to make it and some nurses had there doubts. But here I am now ABOUT TWO WEEKS without energy and a little pain, and plenty of lazyness for 5 people but this 1 1/2 year struggle is the thing kepping me going. I had my doubts but family future and clean friends help as well. The reason for the whole er visit was not an allergic reaction. They explained to me how saboxone works by ridding of all opiates and blocking future opiates, thats what through me into the worst withdral ever.

    I dont suggest anyone doing this swap, I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy, besides the lortab withdral is nothing compared to METHADONE or SUBOXONE

    Bye the way I have a job interview tomorrow i will let u know the results of my drug test since no one is quite sure. Im scared lol

    Keep fighting the fight good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjdz View Post
    I too am on Suboxone and my Dr told me that if I would need medical attention where they would have to use an opiate. of course it would not work. so in my case if i get injuryed I have to call him and find out what to do. they are ways arround it he told me. and some one else told me it 24 hours with no sub however the sub stays in your system for 36 hours? ( i think) of course then you set your treatment back. I was lucky to have found a dr that knows how to work with the use of an opiate even while on the suboxone, but only in the event that i really really need to have the opiate. I dont think you should suffer [xx(] so call your dr that is treating you with the SUB and ask him/or her.

    Pamela Dziedzic
    Wow, I am in the exact same boat as htown (except I've been on sub and clean of other opiates for a year) with a spinal injury leaving me in extreme pain (bone pressing on a nerve) which is not being remotely managed by suboxone and over the counter meds. My addiction therapist, as well as my suboxone doctor advised me that while it was certainly my choice, they had seen BETTER results with people who go ahead and - with the guidance and under the care of professionals - take the painkillers for a short amount of time and then get back on suboxone. Often people who refuse to do this end up pushing their recovery even further back because eventually the pain can become too much and instead of having a plan in place with a team of professionals including addiction specialists and m.d.(s) the person will have a very hard time controlling the use of painkillers on his/her own.

    I quoted Pamela because I agree wholeheartedly with her statement that you should not feel you have to suffer extremely severe pain without the proper medication. There IS a right way to do it and while it may be tricky, at least for me I know it will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killah View Post
    I have read this thread from beginning to end and the amount of people who posted on this talking about taking Sub for a few days and then going out on a drug binge is absolutely disgusting. I have been on Suboxone for 15 months. I did a stint in rehab for 6 weeks from using Percocet and becoming addicted. After I got out of rehab I relapsed pretty much the second I got out the door. I searched and searched in my area for a doctor that prescribed Suboxone. Most of them said that they didnt take health insurance and only accepted cash (which Im pretty sure is against the law). I finally found one who was pretty close by and would actually talk to me because as we know the doctors can only see a certain number of patients at a time, this place didnt even have any openings - i was 342 on the list!!!! but I kept calling and calling and went there and spoke several time with the Director of the office and liked me and knew I needed help badly (I have 2 young children) and put me at the top of the list. It took about a month before I was able to start on a Suboxone maintenance plan but it was well worth all of the hard work, patience, and dedication. Suboxone HAS saved my life because I know that if I didnt get on it I would still be using now and would have lost EVERYTHING.

    It is NOT easy to get Suboxone specifically because of people like YOU who posted on here about getting Sub and then using and going back and getting more and pretty much just taking advantage of what it has to offer. You are not serious about your recovery and people like you all is what makes it hard for the people who really need it and REALLY want to get sober to get it. It shames me.

    I just think it sucks that people are out there taking advantage of the system and gettin Suboxone and pretty much just throwing it down the toilet when there are SOOO many people out there who need it so badly to SAVE THEIR LIVES and cant get it because people out there abusing it ruined the possibility for them...
    Are you so self righteous that you refuse to admit that you're getting high on Suboxone like everybody else. Just like everyone else you've traded one drug for another, even if the these doctors tricked you into thinking its some sort of miracle drug, so they could make a fortune of of it! Methadone was a miracle drug once too. With Suboxone they can charge you an arm and a leg for your supposed recovery!!. Anyone one that wants to know if you stope taking Suboxone for 8 hours you can shoot and get high on other opiates. If you are wanting to eat pain pills and get high you better wait 36 hours. I didn't get suboxone because I was addicted, I got suboxone from a friend to get high off of and with one 8mg taken sublingually I was wasted for nearly 48 hours and nodding occassionally afterwards. the nodding effects from suboxone are powerful and I wouldn't recomment driving because its narly impossible to keep your eyes open!!

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    Default What to experience...

    Quote Originally Posted by eddiee7 View Post
    To all,

    I want to stop taking suboxone now. I'm currently taking maybe 1 to 1.5 8-mg tablets a day for about 6 or 7 months. sometimes I go all day with just a half and then at night a quarter. Sometimes just one a day. I do not feel any different either way. My doctor says it's mostly in my head at this point and it would be fine if I wanted to just stop. At most I would feel a little crummy but nowhere near what people could go through when quitting vicodine or oxycontin. I am extremely active in the gym and I run 3-4 miles almost everyday. I just want to be done with the pills. I have not touched a pain killer for almost a year now and have no desire to do so. I was abusing vicodine by taking up to 10 to 12 5/500 a day for about 6 months. And sometimes, about 4-5 lortab a day. Not both at the same time. In the past I have never really had any major withdraws from opiates. My doctor says that may be due to the fact that I am in very good shape and working out and running helps me to handle getting the pills out of my system as opposed to an inactive person. He says that most of what I would have to deal with would be psychological and not physical. I just got a new job and I don't start until the 6th of March. By the way I noticed that it does not show up when getting drug tested as I had to drug test for my job and it did not come up. I thought all opiates would. At any rate, I want to be clean when I start this job. Could someone please tell me what I may experience. when coming off these wonder pills? Thank you all so much and best of luck for all those people out there who are in the same boat. This is my first time reaching out on line. I have no one to talk to about this so I could really use a friend to help me through this difficult time of my life.
    You may experience flu like symptoms. Sweating, chills, nausea, vomiting, muscle aches and pains, bone aches, mood swings, runny nose... I do wish the absolute best for you and I hope your withdrawal symptoms, if any, are minor. The symptoms "peak" on the 2nd day without them, but you should be doing very well by day 5.

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    I have been taking 1 mg of suboxone a day for a year now I take 1/4 of a tab in morn and one at night. feeling the effects of withdrawl before I take my next dose. This is as far as i have made it. I know I just need to stop, but the extent of my emotions when going into w/d keeps me from stopping that next dose. I wish I had an answer to what everyone wants to now but weight, health, metabolism, gender, and mental affflictions all affect how an individual will respond to, not only the effects but the length of time it takes to leave the body.

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    Default Dr told me to stop on 4mg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    You can't jump off abruptly from the dose you're at. You need to taper slowly. Here is a link for how I base my suggestions. Let me know after reading it if you want the help. God bless.

    http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
    I'm on day 7 of no subs and am miserable. I was taking 4mg a day for 5 months. Dr gave me nucynta to take every 8 hrs for pain and withdrawals. I want to kill myself if I have to wait every 8 hrs. I need it after just 3.

    I'm scares that if I make it through il then be addicted to nucynta. How much longer til subs r gone for me? I got laid off this week for calling in sick from the "withdrawals"

    I also got off subs last year without web realizing it. That was before I knew it was addicting. I just took 1 4mg every other day or few days when needed and just stopped taking one day.

    HELP! Should I start the process over or stick it out since I have 7 days in. Does it get better or worse?

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    Default Suboxone Withdrawal

    First and foremost let me say that Suboxone is used for pain management not just chemical withdrawal! Secondly, I decided to switch from Opiods to Suboxone for pain management because the withdrawals from pill to pill are not there and because I was tired of having to constantly increase my dosage from building a tolerance over time. I took Suboxone for two years straight without having to increase! I switched back to Hydrocodone about a week ago because it's the safest thing to be on if you're pregnant and my husband and I want a second child! I can definitely say that Suboxone is still interfering with my Hydrocodone and sending me through one of the worst withdrawal episodes I have had in a long time. I did not have the same results when I went from the Hydrocodone to the Suboxone. I did hear, however, that you can take Tramadol with Suboxone in case of surgery or other situations where you need extra pain relief!

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    Default My suboxone experience

    I run a flooring business & I’m extremely active. I got my suboxones on the street, paid $100.00 for 10 8mg pills plus I always had to give the guy $20.00 extra for getting them for me. Anyways, when I came off of >>>>>>e I was eating lots of painkillers to deal with the withdrawals & ended up getting hooked on them as well. Then I found out about suboxone & gave it a try. I took a whole one every morning for the 1st week & cut back to a half per day & then later dropped down to a quarter per day followed by the smallest dose which is an eighth of one 8mg tab. In the end I had one pill last me 8 days. I thought of these pills as little orange miracles! Without them it made it very difficult to find the energy to get anything done. I felt on top of the world when I was taking them but I didn’t like running out because it was like being dope sick all over again. I became tired of having to depend on something to get me through each & every day so I really wanted to quit but didn’t know how I would make it through each strenuous work day without them. Suboxone has different side effects for each & every user. For me it was excessive weight loss, chronic migraines, lowered iron, loss of appetite, lack of sleep, & depression. I know this because I am now free of suboxone & my iron went back to normal, my headaches are much more tolerable, I'm not nearly as depressed, I have a normal appetite, & the weight is coming back. What helped me kick suboxone was lowering the dose from a whole, to half, to quarter, & then to an eighth. I did this for almost a year. Also, exercising, stretching, eating healthier, & trying to maintain at least 8 hours sleep each day helped tremendously. I also took amps chocolate muscle meal from GNC & the cheap chocolate whey protein from Wal-Mart. That stuff helped a lot too! I wasn’t doing this at all at first but when I was trying to come off the suboxones I did & it worked. I didn’t like the way I looked & felt anymore so I knew I had to make a change. Suboxone & other forms of painkillers do not eliminate pain. They just disguise it. Your pain is still there & while on meds you work right through it not realizing your body is aching & possibly already over worked, but you don’t feel that because your pain is hidden. When the meds wear off then the pain can be up to ten times worse. Really I’m no doctor so I don’t know everything about suboxone. Everything I know is based on experience. I hope the information I had to offer was useful.

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    Does anyone know if drinking large amounts of water would help speed up the time it takes Suboxone to leave the system?

    Last summer I was in the hospital with an injury and had been on Sub, 1.5 pills, 8mgs, daily for 1 year. My last dose was Mon afternoon ~3pm, went to hospital Tuesday morning and was discharged Fri evening.

    In the hospital I was given morphine but only 2mg every 2 hours. They didn't care that I had a high tolerance. I did beg them but it didn't matter.
    The pain was severe as I was suffering a pulmonary embolism - blood clot from getting kicked in the leg (kickboxing) that went to a lung. The pain was ridiculous.

    By Friday the pain killers I was prescribed were working a little. The following Mon I was feeling a high dose of oral Dillaudid. I only took the pain killers 1x daily so I would feel the effects.


    My tolerance was high but the scripts did not really reflect this, even though I strongly urged the Docs to give me a strong script. So I had to take a large dose 1x daily to get any relief.


    Wed I went to my doc and he was "surprised" I went through all my meds. He did give me a refill on oral dillaudid but it was. He was my suboxone doc and he was pretty much ignoring the high tolerance I had. The dillaudid was good for 2 high doses. I got a slight buzz from both doses and a good 4 hrs of pain relief.
    PE pain is worse than you would think. It manifested itself as intense back pain spazams that caused hyperventilation and falling to ones knees.


    Anyway, point is, Sat morning (1 week, 4 days after my last Sub) I finally woke up with awful, skin crawling , restless-body-syndrome withdrawals, probably from the Sub finally clearing out.
    So I went back on Subs and that was that.

    So good luck if you ever need pain relief in the hospital! What the hell do >>>>>> users do when they need surgery?

    So I'm wondering if there is anyway to speed up the process of getting sub out of my system using a water flush?
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    I am 24 and i have been using opiates regularly for around 6 yrs now. first thing i want to say is good luck to all of u out there who are trying to kick the sauce in any form. as addicts we look for an easyway out, and its understandable, when the "normal" way out is so unbelievably hard. i hope that those of u who want to get off the subs dont get scared be reading the posts of those of us who have felt like hell, and remember, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!!! my personal exp with opiates has been a walk through hell to say athe least. i have been on subs for 2 yrs now and before that i was on done (40mg daily when i quit) for a year. after i got off the done, i went through wd's for a month and for some reason thought i could still use "casually" after i felt better. Big mistake... to make my very long story short, i lost almost everything to this disease, including my significant other who i was and still am very much in love with. if i could know then what i know now, i would have never went to the clinic and would have went deirectly to inpatient treatment for my oxy habbit. the only good thing about done/subs is the fact that when u do decide to quit, u hopefully will have had time to stop communicating with the people u got ur pills from, the BIGGEST PROBLEM with these maintenance drugs is that they give us a false sense of security. what if ur script was stolen? or ur dr wouldnt see u anymore? how long would it take to go get some oxy, >>>>>>, narco, or anything u could find to stop the horrible wd's? maintenance drugs allow us to live a normal life, hold a job, and care for our family as if we were normal... but we are not. were only one mishap away from where we were before. for the last 2 yrs i have been on subs i have started going to college, i have been able to work, ive gotten a nice place for me and my son, and over all felt like i was doing very well. the problem is that i dont want to be on subs or anything else for the rest of my life as i know most of u reading this dont. now i feel like i have built a life on the false basis of sobriety and the foundation was never adressed. i have tried quitting the subs on my own a few times but always have the same result, my homework, housework, and job become so hard to manage that i end up getting more subs just to catch up! i had a script for subs, but it was to expensive so i started buying them from another patient after my wife left me. basically we all have a choice to make, we can either accept the fact that we will be using for life, or we can accept the fact that we need to stop using completely and face the problem to have a normal life. as for me, i will be going to inpatient treatment. i have tried it enuf on my own to know that its not gonna happen on hopes and dreams, i need to aquire the tools to live a sober life. i have many friends who are addicts, and although im sure some people out there have gotten off on there own, nobody i know has done it without inpatient treatment. i have a house, dogs, and a 5 yr old so it never seems to be a "good time to quit", but i am fed up with this monkey on my back and i know i need help to recover. i wish u all the best and strongly encourage you to reconsider if u are thinking about starting methadone or suboxone because chances are it will be harder to quit than your current drug of choice. and to those of u who have already started maintenance, i recomend u decide very quickly weather or not u want this for life and act accordingly. i know the things ive lost are probably gone for good but i still have a chance to save the things i have left. no matter what your situation is, remember, it could always be worse. i wish u all the best of luck, and if anyone ever needs to talk to someone who understands, im always here for another struggling addict, so feel free to contact me. goodnight and goodluck everyone.

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    I know all to well what it is like trying to find some kind of pain killer just so I won't go into withdrawal from suboxone. Not to get high from the painkillers but just to stop the horrible pain that goes with suboxone addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharrr View Post
    I know all to well what it is like trying to find some kind of pain killer just so I won't go into withdrawal from suboxone. Not to get high from the painkillers but just to stop the horrible pain that goes with suboxone addiction.



    There is no horrible pain from suboxone w/d if it's done according to the standard taper plan. It can be done quite painlessly in fact. Here is the link to the standard taper I've used here with countless people successfully for years.. After reading it in detail let me know if you want my help. God bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by val8erie View Post
    Hello. I am currently on Suboxone and have been for about 2 months. I had used it before (in between binges) so I was able to experiment with it a bit. If I stopped taking the Suboxone a day or two before using codons again, I was still able to get high. Not as high on the first day, but the next days after that it's like never have been on Suboxone to begin with. I had my 'last ha-rah' on Memorial Day weekend. Knowing I'd be starting Suboxone come that Tuesday, I swallowed more 10mg Percocet and Vicodins than I ever had over a 3-day period

    Now I want to take some codons and even have an RX for 7.5 Percs. (I rolled my ankle last Tuesday (7/10) and was given 7.5 Vicodins to start off with--I gave them to my boyfriend, as I've been on Suboxone for 2 months straight...I think the longer you are on them, the longer they stay in your system = I would not have been able to catch any sort of buzz on them, especially on Vics). Does anyone know if my little theory true?
    Suboxone has an Opiate in it and it is also classified as an agonist/antagonist...which means it prevents the feeling of euphoria from the opiate in it. Suboxone treats pain and is used in a lot of pain manangement patients. Taking Suboxone will prevent you from getting "high" off of other opiates, fortunately because of that, that is why it is used to treat addiction to opiate medications. Because opiate pain killers are so widely abused it makes it so much harder for people like me who are in pain management for legitimate reasons to get adequate pain relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by getnovrit View Post
    Taking opiates because you are addicted to feeling better means that you are addicted to opiates, doesn't it?

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    Depends on whether or not you are taking them to feel better emotionally then yes I would classify that as an addiction. However, if you are taking opiates to feel better from physical legitimate pain then no I would not classify that as an addiction. People take pain medications for different reasons, the most common one is because of PAIN, but they taken for other reasons like to get "HIGH"!!
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    I've been taking 8mg/day of Suboxone for a month now. This morning I fractured my ankle and was given lortab for pain. I know if I take the lortab now it wouldnt help with the pain. About how long does it take for Suboxone to leave the body so I can take the lortab for pain relief. Thanks.
    If it were me I would speak to the doctor, the one prescribing the suboxone, about taking anything else. If you are taking it for an addiction to opiates then taking the Lortab might be a set back. I think that your doctor would have the best suggestion for you. Good luck, I am a pain management patient who is on Fentanyl 50mg patch every 48 hours and Opana 10mg every 8 hours for breakthrough pain. Opiates are extremely easy to become addicted to because unfortunately they are so readily available. I have never had an addiction to opiates but have had an addiction to Cocaine 10 years ago, so I know what I am talking about. I have to be EXTREMELY careful about the medications I am on because of the anxiety and PTSD that I have also would make it so much easier to just take more than I am sposed to. My doctors also know that I have had an addiction and they are very helpful with making sure I am taking my meds the correct way. My particular doctor Drug tests ALL of his patients and if you fail two in one year you are dropped as a patient. Good Luck, and most doctors are understanding about addiction but the best ones know how to help a person with an addiction use medication in the proper way. Please speak to your doctor about the Lortab before taking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subsailorslady1980 View Post
    Suboxone has an Opiate in it and it is also classified as an agonist/antagonist...which means it prevents the feeling of euphoria from the opiate in it. Suboxone treats pain and is used in a lot of pain manangement patients. Taking Suboxone will prevent you from getting "high" off of other opiates, fortunately because of that, that is why it is used to treat addiction to opiate medications. Because opiate pain killers are so widely abused it makes it so much harder for people like me who are in pain management for legitimate reasons to get adequate pain relief.




    Subs are a PARTIAL agonist which makes them helpful in detoxing. They are NOT full agonists like rx opiates. And in emergencies one CAN get pain relief while on subs being a partial agonist they simply need a higher dose. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbchicken View Post
    My son is scheduled to come out of rehab (60 days) from opiate addiction. He mentioned suboxone yesterday. Why would he need this after being 60+days of being off anything/everything? I'm confused.
    hi there not sure if someone answered your q but the reason is that in our brains when we used opiates there is a funny little change that happens after time..it changes the chemicals in your brain and causes you to crave opiates even if you quit. suboxone supresses the urges to use. it also changes things so if he does pop a pill it wont work the way it used to. he wont get high and may get sick from it. they use this to help us take our life back and figure out why we started to use in the first place.

    more often than not its related to an unresolved emotional experience/feelings that are too painful to deal with so the thing we do is pop pills to numb our pain. this works for a short time but then gets us in trouble. in order for his treatment to work they are probably going to do therephy with him as well as suboxone.

    i too am in recovery. i am on suboxone n started sept 27 this year. i too used. i used because i have so much emotional pain from stuff that i couldnt take it anymore. my mom passed away in 2008 and shortly after i began to find myself getting high off percecets. and i found i didnt cry. it numbed me so i stop crying..so hence the train has started..the train has been going since this past month when i finally realized i was only going in circles and was accomplishing very little in my life and causing others pain.

    so in a nutshell people who use are usually trying to bury something too painful OR they really are just people who got high once n hooked..

    hope this helps.

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    i am a former opiate and herioin (iv) user my self it has happened to me where i have run short and i have also had time i came up with an extra or to it all goes by how much your doctor pays attention if its a 31 day month obvioulsly you still only get 30 so next motnth you should refill a day early meaning he should date the script a day early. also i do believe the parmacy shorted me once a pill. so its important to pay attention to the details i just went through this on my lasts months script i was short just 1..... but please hang in there you will make it trust me i know how uncomfortable you are right now but you can get through it just ask for gods help he is always listening

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    First off it is very painful for someone to have a broken ankel my daughter & sister take NO MEDS at all and nothing helped the pain but Lortab! So unless you are in her place don"t judge!

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    I hated Sub..I love methadone its my wonderdrug
    The reason you love methadone is cuz it gets you high for as long as u want and suboxone makes you feel normal everyday. People who dont want suboxone and want methadone is because they arent ready to get there life back and stop getting high. Suboxone is a miracle drug and if used correctly will give u back a life like you had never been addicted to opiates. people stay on methadone for decades and it wears on ur body like meth does. Hopefully soon the USA will discontinue methadone as a detox method and only use suboxone.

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    I have been on suboxone for more than 5yrs. Lots of people I talked to said that was too long but my doctors all said it was a maintanace period. I was an extreme opiate(painkiller) user and I have to say I wish I never touched one of them EVER!!!
    1) For those of you coming in on this thread and making it sound like its OK to pause your treatment and take painkillers, your kidding yourselves about getting sober!! NEVER should you resort to a painkiller when on treatment to stay off them.. No pain justifys that. I had 16 teeth removed in 1 day, 2 years ago and I NEVER once took a painkiller!! I HAD all the reasons and validity to take them. Actually most people I spoke to asked me how the hell I did that without painkillers.. Taking painkillers for pain that is not too severe is a scapegoat. Advil and Motrin work fine for any type of pain that causes swelling and asprin works just as good for any type of pulsating pain. Trust me I've had them all!! So there is no excuse to take painkillers and for those of you coming ont his site explaining your method of overriding suboxone, you may as well just go back to the painkillers. I havent taken a painkiller in almost 6 years and believe me I have had MANY chances to as all my friends are addicts.
    2) As far as the longevity of suboxone, many things come into play. Weight and hydration hold a huge factor in how long ANYTHING stays in your system. But by the words of my 2 doctors I have had over the 5yrs, Suboxone is in your system for 36hrs. You CAN experience some withdrawl symptoms prior to that but that doesnt mean its out of your system. I was also told that it can take up to 30 days of withdrawl symptoms for your body to complete rid of suboxone. I tried 3 times to come off of it by myself by lowering to everntually diminishing my dose. I WOULDNT recommend suboxone to anyone!! If your on painkillers, check yourself into a rehab and go the 4-6 days of pain from withdrawl. If you are shooting up >>>>>>, then go for the suboxone. Suboxone is obviously a better alternative to a needle. However keep in mind, the withdrawl symptoms from Suboxone are worse than painkillers and lasts a long time!! Its another way for pharmacuetical companies to make money while keeping complete control of us... Hope this helps and good luck to everyone and anyone on this thread!! I am checking into a rehab in less than a week to finally overcome suboxone and once I get there Im NEVER turning back again!!! Back to living life freely and clean!!

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    One more thing, Methadone is not a rehabilitation method!! That post from that girl is completely ridiculous and none of you should take that seriously. That girl obviously feels that methidone is a better because there is no limit to getting high. Suboxone has a ceiling of 36mgs to where you will no longer get any higher. Early suboxone users may find themselves asking "How will this drug get me off opiats?" and the answer is it wont.
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    where I completely agree with you on the whole methadone vs suboxone deal, I have to say that i do not in any way agree that suboxone is a miracle drug. It may seem that way in the beginning, maybe even after a year but trust me, your not off the opiat withdrawl hook just because your on suboxone. Beupinorphine is said to be 300x stronger than morphine. I used over 500mgs of Oxycontine/day for 4.5 years and for suboxone to make me high on the first dose all the way up until now(5.5 yrs of suboxone use) says that suboxone is stronger so you bet, even if your only on suboxone for a few months, that you WILL withdrawl. My best advise would be to get off of it as fast as possible and remain sober. Unfortunately I wasn't told this 5 yrs ago..

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