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    Default My Dog has "epilepsy"!

    I have a 7-yr old male Dalmatian that is suffering from regular seizures (epilepsy-like) since 2005. At first, the seizure occured only once in Sept 2005. But after Aug 2006, the seizures happened almost monthly up to this time, with its worst occuring 10 times in two days (March 14 & 15, 2007). The vet gave my dog Dilantin 50mg for one week only in Oct 2006. I repeated this treatment everytime the dog has seizures. The medication has no effect. So by March 2007, without consulting the vet, I gave the dog 100mg of Dilantin once a day continuously. I observed that the monthly seizures has become very short, probably 30seconds, and the dog makes quick recovery but it is still occuring monthly.
    My question: Are there other medications that will completely cure my Dalmation?
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    Default Hope this helps you :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lino S Cruz View Post
    I have a 7-yr old male Dalmatian that is suffering from regular seizures (epilepsy-like) since 2005. At first, the seizure occured only once in Sept 2005. But after Aug 2006, the seizures happened almost monthly up to this time, with its worst occuring 10 times in two days (March 14 & 15, 2007). The vet gave my dog Dilantin 50mg for one week only in Oct 2006. I repeated this treatment everytime the dog has seizures. The medication has no effect. So by March 2007, without consulting the vet, I gave the dog 100mg of Dilantin once a day continuously. I observed that the monthly seizures has become very short, probably 30seconds, and the dog makes quick recovery but it is still occuring monthly.
    My question: Are there other medications that will completely cure my Dalmation?
    My choc. lab has had this same issue since he was 2 years old. His seizures were much closer, and so my Vet has had Copper on phenabarbatyl (sp) may be wrong sorry) this med is to try and STOP the seizures from happening at all, well with time copper would get a seizure every now and then, and we had to up his meds, he is now at 60mgs a day, works well for him, and no seizures now for I say a year. I hope you see this, and I hope I have helped you, and you're fur baby! Good luck, let me know how this works if you would like to, Take Care!

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    Thanks, Annalee, I will check with my vet regarding the copper treatment. Regards, LSC

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    Smile epileptic cats

    our cats were epileptic (rare in cats) since they were 6 months old..
    they have been on phenobarbital 1/4 grain in 1 tablet in am & 1 pm, 12 hrs.
    apart , but have to be tested for liver problems..
    Sweaker lived to be 15 yrs; but he got arthritis so bad we had to put him to sleep..
    Blackie is only 15 months old, after her test, we had to reduce her med.to 1/2 pill in am, & still 1 pill at night.. hope this is some help.. animal lover..
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    Default oops Lino S Cruz........

    Quote Originally Posted by Lino S Cruz View Post
    Thanks, Annalee, I will check with my vet regarding the copper treatment. Regards, LSC
    I hope I didn't confuse you , Copper is my lab's name, and phenabarbatyl is what he takes for the seizures. sorry,

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    Thanks a lot, guys. So, phenobarbital is the proper drug to use for animal seizures/epilepsy. I felt relieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lwemmer66@yahoo.com View Post
    our cats were epileptic (rare in cats) since they were 6 months old..
    they have been on phenobarbital 1/4 grain in 1 tablet in am & 1 pm, 12 hrs.
    apart , but have to be tested for liver problems..
    Sweaker lived to be 15 yrs; but he got arthritis so bad we had to put him to sleep..
    Blackie is only 15 months old, after her test, we had to reduce her med.to 1/2 pill in am, & still 1 pill at night.. hope this is some help.. animal lover..
    Yap, I got it now. Phenobarbital is the drug to use for animal seizures/epilepsy. Thanks a lot, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lino S Cruz View Post
    Thanks a lot, guys. So, phenobarbital is the proper drug to use for animal seizures/epilepsy. I felt relieve.
    IMO I do believe many many folks use phenobarbital for this issue, and have great results. I want to add, when I started Copper (my dog) on it and after some time passed he would need for it to be pushed up in the dosage amount. He is now at a steady dosage, signs of when an upped dose will be needed, when You see that the dog has another seizure, and the low dose needs to go up. I will say Copper has now been at this level for over a year, Thank goodness...........one other thing to mention FYI is that your dog may have weight gain from this med. Be aware it is not from them eating, its the med. Good luck, I would like to hear as to how this works out for you!
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    Smile My dog's epilepsy has stopped

    Quote Originally Posted by Annalee View Post
    IMO I do believe many many folks use phenobarbital for this issue, and have great results. I want to add, when I started Copper (my dog) on it and after some time passed he would need for it to be pushed up in the dosage amount. He is now at a steady dosage, signs of when an upped dose will be needed, when You see that the dog has another seizure, and the low dose needs to go up. I will say Copper has now been at this level for over a year, Thank goodness...........one other thing to mention FYI is that your dog may have weight gain from this med. Be aware it is not from them eating, its the med. Good luck, I would like to hear as to how this works out for you!
    My deepest gratitude to Annalee for "saving" my dog, probably, from a early death. It is so disheartening and stressful to see the dog going into seizures. I visited another vet and got a prescription for PHENOBARBITAL, 60mg tabs, to be administered once a day, after the dog has eaten its breakfast. No seizure has occurred for the past 3 months. A big thank you from LSC.

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    Unhappy I am back to square one

    Quote Originally Posted by Lino S Cruz View Post
    My deepest gratitude to Annalee for "saving" my dog, probably, from a early death. It is so disheartening and stressful to see the dog going into seizures. I visited another vet and got a prescription for PHENOBARBITAL, 60mg tabs, to be administered once a day, after the dog has eaten its breakfast. No seizure has occurred for the past 3 months. A big thank you from LSC.
    I spoke too soon. After reckoning, it was not 3 months (12 weeks) but the seizures came back after 7 weeks. I went back to the Vet to replenish the phenobarbital but was advised to stop it because it would damage the dog's liver. I was instead prescribed Vit B complex (B1, B6, B12) to be given to the dog one tablet in the morning and another one in the evening. I will share with you how this new medication will turn out.

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    Default Please reconsider use of phenylbarbitol for seizure control

    Phenyl Barbitol is the drug that is most often prescribed for dogs with seizures, it is also one of the most highly toxic and dangerous drugs used. You need only visit the guardian angels epilepsy network in memorial page to see the number of dogs who have died, not from epilepsy, but from phenyl barbitol liver toxicity. My 12-1/2 year old Rotti had her first seizure on her 5th birthday. She was put on phenyl barb, with bloodwork monitoring her liver every 3 months. Within less than 1 year she was in complete liver failure and on deaths door. She pulled thru after 16 days on massive IV fluids.
    Potassium Bromide is what she has been on for the past 6 years, and we have had great success with it. She is a grand mal cluster seizure dog, and has fewer seizures on the Potassium Bromide than she ever did on the Phenyl Barbitol, and the Potassium Bromide is processed thru the kidneys not the liver, so it is much safer to use. It's liquid, a few cc's on her food 2 times daily and we are very happy to report all is well.
    My dog was one of five dogs in the litter, each one had epilepsy. Each one was given phenyl barbitol to control the seizures. Each one went into liver failure.......four are dead, all within one year of starting the phenyl barb. Olivia is a 7+ year survivor. I doubt she would have lived this long had it not been that we switched her to potassium bromide. It has been used since the late 1800's for epilepsy. I hope this info helps you. I am so upset every time I see a new dog being added to the In Memorial page, due to a phenyl barbitol death. Epilepsy is not a curable disease, but with proper nutrition, and proper medication, it can be well managed. Also, you need to give valium after a seizure to stop the frequency of the seizures in cluster dogs.
    Good luck, my heart goes out to you for trying your best to keep your Copper happy, healthy and seizure free.

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    i have a black lab and chow mix that was put in my friends fenced yard in the middle of the night he was approximately 2 months old we adore him we took him to the vet posted found dog ect and we kept him as part of our family after about 3 months he dissappeared from our fenced back yard we posted a reward and he was returned to us a family saw him wandering the streets about 7 blocks away upon return he had an additional collar over the one we gave him with a >> number and lost pet it turned out when i called to be an adult hotline which of course i was just appalled he started showing aggression at different times which was unusual for the happy go lucky guy he always was we dont know what happened while he was gone but he soon started having siezures very bad ones we took him in and the vet said it was epilepsey and put him on phenobarbital one pill a day 64.8 mg his siezures started becomeing less and less about one nights worth one right after another only about 3months without than to 6months than about 8months and boom he had continued siezures the worse ones they can have one right after another for a week straight when i read about giving him two tablespoons of icecream just plain vanilla to help pull him out after 2 doses of ice cream he pulled out enough to give him the vets new amount of phenobarbital to 2 tablets a day one in morning one at night he hasnt had one since its been over a year and he doesnt get that aggressiveness he used to for days before his siezures however after he initialy started the phenobarbital he has ictched from it and my vet said there is nothing else i can give him for them and he has not told me of bad effects of the drug so im a little confused now but i know hes doing great since he upped his dose and i know other people who have had there pets on phenobarbital and lived to 14/15 years old i dont know if this helps but maybe you could try a second opinion or even a third by different vets good luck

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    Default Pheno almost killed my dog

    My beloved dog, Frankie, had very mild seizures for years, maybe once a year, then in January 08, she began to have Grand Mals. She was started on Pheno at that time and her seizures stopped, however, two months on from starting the pheno, her immune system tanked. Two weeks at a vet specialists and it turns out she was poisoned by the pheno - all the tests showed she was at normal levels - but this was an idiosyncratic reaction. She had to have blood transfusions and we were on daily watch for her blood levels to get back to normal. Luckily, it did not damage her bone marrow but it can.

    She is now on Potassium Bromide and Clorazepate. The PB was started last week but she has had two bad seizures since that time. They have now upped the PB somewhat. I pray this helps. After almost losing her because of the pheno, I cannot stand the thought of her having more seizures. Aside from all that - so far, this has cost $7,000. I have no more money left and no more credit to use. I'm scared out of my mind.

    Now they saying - she might have to see a nuerologists to see if it is a brain tumor. But the specialists had ruled that out. This is my regular vet talking. Needless to say, I am a nervous wreck - this dog is the best thing that has ever happened to me.

    So, I know my dog's reaction to the pheno is rare - it did happen and all the tests showed her not be affected by it - which was not true and it was almost too late for her.

    I want to spare someone else the pain. I was heartbroken every minute while they were trying to save her. The emotional rollercoaster was the worst thing I ever went through and my poor dog was so sick.

    Thanks for listening.

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    Smile Use of Potassium Bromide

    Quote Originally Posted by Olivia's Mom View Post
    Phenyl Barbitol is the drug that is most often prescribed for dogs with seizures, it is also one of the most highly toxic and dangerous drugs used. You need only visit the guardian angels epilepsy network in memorial page to see the number of dogs who have died, not from epilepsy, but from phenyl barbitol liver toxicity. My 12-1/2 year old Rotti had her first seizure on her 5th birthday. She was put on phenyl barb, with bloodwork monitoring her liver every 3 months. Within less than 1 year she was in complete liver failure and on deaths door. She pulled thru after 16 days on massive IV fluids.
    Potassium Bromide is what she has been on for the past 6 years, and we have had great success with it. She is a grand mal cluster seizure dog, and has fewer seizures on the Potassium Bromide than she ever did on the Phenyl Barbitol, and the Potassium Bromide is processed thru the kidneys not the liver, so it is much safer to use. It's liquid, a few cc's on her food 2 times daily and we are very happy to report all is well.
    My dog was one of five dogs in the litter, each one had epilepsy. Each one was given phenyl barbitol to control the seizures. Each one went into liver failure.......four are dead, all within one year of starting the phenyl barb. Olivia is a 7+ year survivor. I doubt she would have lived this long had it not been that we switched her to potassium bromide. It has been used since the late 1800's for epilepsy. I hope this info helps you. I am so upset every time I see a new dog being added to the In Memorial page, due to a phenyl barbitol death. Epilepsy is not a curable disease, but with proper nutrition, and proper medication, it can be well managed. Also, you need to give valium after a seizure to stop the frequency of the seizures in cluster dogs.
    Good luck, my heart goes out to you for trying your best to keep your Copper happy, healthy and seizure free.
    Dear Mommy of Olivia:
    I would like to try potassium bromide (PB) to check the epilepsy of my 8yr old Dalmatian, 25 lbs dog. However, my Vet is not familiar with it. Since I can get potassium bromide, can you pls ask your Vet:
    1) the type/grade of PB,
    2) how it is prepared (is it in pure form or diluted),
    3) how much dose should be given to the dog (before or after meals)
    Kindly reply ASAP. Best regards, Lino S Cruz
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    Question Dog Seizures

    My dog (3/4 Rottweiler/1/4 Pit Bull) also has seizures, they started soon after she was spayed (around 6 mos. old). She is now 7 1/2 yrs. old and she's had many seizures over the years, each one often worse than the ones before. After reading all responses from other pet owners on this subject, I am still confused as to what "really" works without making her liver/kidneys toxic. In fact, no one told me that these meds could affect her liver/kidneys! The Vet started her out on Potassium Bromide capsules (which have helped her) but the dosage continued to increase because the medicine didn't cure her from having seizures. Then the seizures changed to her having no urine/bowel control during each seizure. I changed Vets, and the new Vet prescribed phenibarbitol tabs (1 grain) plus the Potassium Bromide. The doses have gone up over the years so that currently she is taking 2 1/2 tablets of phenibarbitol along with 7ml of liquid Potassium Bromide -twice a day! She is not seizure free and I usually can expect at least one seizure a month! Sometimes it's 2 or 3 and they are within a 24-36 hr. period. Lately, she only looses control of her urine during these seizures and the seizure itself might last from 1 to 3 minutes. They take place almost always when she's asleep and of course she awakens w/full force seizure. When she regains her composure, she's seems back to her usual self. In the last 6 months, her legs are beginning to get wobbly and it's difficult for her to maneuver her body. They tell me that the cause of this can be the large doses of the Potassium Bromide. I don't know, but I do know that I am losing a little bit of her (mental capacity, eyesight, mobility, & weight gain, etc.) each time she has a seizure. I am very sad about it and don't know what to try next!! I have seen some homeopathic (?) ads for remedies that claim to work against seizures in dogs, but at this point I don't know how to switch over to these rememdies without causing her more seizures. She seems frustrated and miserable that she isn't as mobile as she was, but her spirit to try to show me that she can still try to chase a cat or fetch her toy, is still there! She is very intelligent and I hate to have to euthanize her just because of seizures. One of my questions is are they in any kind of pain during the seizure? I heard her make small yelpy noises as she was asleep & going into a seizure once. She had never done that before, so I am wondering about that too. Her weight is over the top at 115 lbs (she should be around 90 lbs) and I'm working on that too, but if its the meds also making her gain weight-I don't know what to do next as I am on a fixed income and monthly trips to the Vet are near impossible. She is my protector so to speak, so I would like to find something to help her. Thanks for listening... & Thanking everyone in advance for any suggestions/help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lino S Cruz View Post
    I have a 7-yr old male Dalmatian that is suffering from regular seizures (epilepsy-like) since 2005. At first, the seizure occured only once in Sept 2005. But after Aug 2006, the seizures happened almost monthly up to this time, with its worst occuring 10 times in two days (March 14 & 15, 2007). The vet gave my dog Dilantin 50mg for one week only in Oct 2006. I repeated this treatment everytime the dog has seizures. The medication has no effect. So by March 2007, without consulting the vet, I gave the dog 100mg of Dilantin once a day continuously. I observed that the monthly seizures has become very short, probably 30seconds, and the dog makes quick recovery but it is still occuring monthly.
    My question: Are there other medications that will completely cure my Dalmation?
    Everybody:
    This will be my last note on the seizures of my dog (above). It expired July 28 after undergoing the worst seizures I've seen the past three years. His heart gave out when during the second day, the seizures came at 15 - 30mins intervals. I was not able to try potassium bromide for lack of important info on how to apply it. But I learned a lot from this experience. My next dog will be luckier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lino S Cruz View Post
    I have a 7-yr old male Dalmatian that is suffering from regular seizures (epilepsy-like) since 2005. At first, the seizure occured only once in Sept 2005. But after Aug 2006, the seizures happened almost monthly up to this time, with its worst occuring 10 times in two days (March 14 & 15, 2007). The vet gave my dog Dilantin 50mg for one week only in Oct 2006. I repeated this treatment everytime the dog has seizures. The medication has no effect. So by March 2007, without consulting the vet, I gave the dog 100mg of Dilantin once a day continuously. I observed that the monthly seizures has become very short, probably 30seconds, and the dog makes quick recovery but it is still occuring monthly.
    My question: Are there other medications that will completely cure my Dalmation?
    Hi,
    I think there is a cure if you are going to feed your dog with healthy food. Do a little research in dog food. Some dog food may contains contaminants such as chemicals causing seizures. Do a little research and cook some healthy food for your dog and feed him. He may go back to good health. I feed my dog with my food and he lives very heathy for 12 years. He never get sick at all.

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    Smile What Alfie, the Dalmatian, taught me. . .

    . . . that it was best for any dog owner to shift from pure commercial food to home-cooked food when your puppy is already one year old. In my case, I fed Alfie pure commercial food for seven years. The epilepsy started when he was five years old. He died on his eight year. It was a very late shift to home-cooked food. Read on the dangers of using commercial food in the internet.
    Consider this: I have an earlier dog, named Gringo, being of mixed foreign and local breed, I didnt at all consider taking care of it in the "more expensive" way of feeding him commercial food and frequent visits to the Vet. Right from the very start, I fed him home-cooked food or whatever we were having for dinner, and Gringo, lived the ripe old-age of 12 years. He did not suffer any major ailment. When I brought him to the Vet, it was to put him to sleep because he was too old and couldnt get up anymore.

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    Default RE:Where owners can discuss pet medications and treatments.

    have the health the food. play with u are pet. clean the pet and surround at every day. use the active full medicine.
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    Default Sorry for your loss Lino...

    I just want to add that one of my Standard Poodles has seizures.He is 8 years old and the phenobarbitol he takes twice a day has worked really well for the the last 5 years in controlling them.He lives an otherwise normal life and his seizures come only about 1 every 4 or 5 months.Before the phenibarbitol they were monthly often biweekly. His liver test are always normal.He would be a little embarrased to know I was discussing this ..it is heratbreaking to watch your buddy have a seizure.They range from 1 1/2 to 3 minutes.the severity varies.

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