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life sucks, pls help :(
life sucks, pls help :(
I live in the Uk and just wondered if anyone out there was finding it as hard, no, IMPOSSIBLE, as me to find a sympathetic doctor to prescribe strong pain meds for pain relief??
I think I'd have more chance drinking from the fountain of youth, than getting a doctor to prescribe me some proper strong pain relief!
Does anyone know of any doctors or pain specialists in the UK who can help me please?? I am desperate!! If I don't get help soon, I don't know what I'll do
Doctors are the devil, I absolutely hate them with a passion
What's going on with you? And what kind of pain are you suffering from? Pain medications are highly addicting, especially when your in pain. I am empathetic, but if you can stay away from narcotics do so. I was a heavy opiate user for a decade. Doctors threw the meds at me. I have been clean for 5 months and have chosen to live with the pain. Believe me I kown about pain. I have broken over 40 bones in my body. Have had countless surgeries or procedures. Injuries are a result of playing professional sports (soccer - Arsenal rules), car accidents, and so on. I broke my neck in very bad car accident in April. Had surgery in July. Went through Detox in September (it was hell). Titanium plates holding my neck together. Talk about pain. Hip reconstruction, shoulder surgery (Dislocations -martial arts and surfing), Compound fracture of the Humerus, Nerve damage, Torn muscles in arm and quad, and I can go on for pages. So you get my drift. However, the most painful process I ever went through was Detoxing off the opiates and Benzos. Still working on the benzos. I was on 40 to 50 mg of Xanax a day for many many years for Anxiety disorder. Clean for four and half months, but doctor put me on a very low dose of Xanax .5mg at night because for severe insomnia and anxiety (causing high blood pressure). Just switched me to Valium 2 mg at night. Longer acting.
At the end I was on Fentanyl, Methadone, Morphine, Demarol, Liquid Dilaudied, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone. Over 3,500 mg a day. Died 3 times and was resuscitated (obviously). Still going through withdrawals. Going to a neurologist because my nerves are fried. So know what your asking for. I find that I can deal with the pain. It is a daily struggle, but it is better than being addicted to poison. And it is poison. Tried every drug under the sun, but the only thing that hooked was the prescription meds. Hope this helped. God Bless
''Pain medications are highly addicting, especially when your in pain.'' -
I have to disagree with you there because actually many people who are on pain relief FOR (and ONLY for pain relief) do not get addicted.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of seeing pain relief/killers being lumped in the same sentence as addiction. Taking pain relief for genuine relief of PAIN, and taking them solely because you are addicted to them, are two very, VERY different things.
This perpetuation of the thought that everyone on pain relief medication is addicted, is the VERY reason that doctors/health care professionals are so reluctant and unwilling to prescribe adequate pain relief TO THOSE WHO ARE GENUINELY IN PAIN, in the first place
I, and many others on strong pain relief, are not addicted to pain killers in the slightest. As I said before, taking pain killers for pain relief and taking them because of dependency are two COMPLETELY different things.
Addiction is when you no longer take them for what they were prescribed for and start taking them because you 'want' to and are using them for something other than what they were prescribed for.
You have a right to your opinion. Another person who posts on this forum made a great point. The difference between addiction and dependence is that you crave a medication when your addicted and you do not when your dependent. I would have to add that you become sick (withdrawals) when you stop taking a certain med. Since you read my insert you know that I have multiple injuries and suffer from chronic pain. Most recently a broken neck and a shoulder dislocation.
And yes you can become addicted to pain medication even if your taking it for pain and as prescribed. I was taking the pain meds as prescribed, but the doses were outrageous since I was taking them so long and had built an incredible tolerance. Another sign of becoming addicted (tolerance).
Even when I was on the pain meds I realized I was hooked. At least, I can accept that fact. If you take pain meds after a surgery for short time, then it is improbable that you will become addicted. Or if you have chronic pain then i can understand taking pain meds, but you will be addicted if you take them for an extended time. However, I believe that should be a decision for you and your physician to make. It seems that your afraid that the establishment is going to take your meds aways from you. Fear of losing access to your meds is a sign of addiction. I have no problem admitting that I was addicted to the pain meds. Now I have been off the pain meds for over 5 months and have chosen to live with the pain. But that was a choice I made. I don't blame the doctors or anyone else.
Sorry that your in pain. It sucks I know. But I am not judging you or anyone else. I am looking at the facts. So many of my friends are hooked on these opiates. Opiates are addicting, that is a fact. Now if you want to get into a debate about whether the government should control what happens between you and your physician it would probably be very boring. I think we would be on the same side. Basically, I am just sharing my experiences. I happen to believe in the freedome of speech. Perhaps, we can agree to disagree. God Bless.
You know butterfly your response really bothered me. I usually try to be civil in these situations. Let me get to the point. Stop taking your opiate meds for 2 weeks. If you are on "strong pain relief" meds I assume they are opiates. I guarantee you will go through withdrawals if you have been a daily user for a significant period of time (more than a month). Your rhetoric is classic denial. If your not addicted in the "slightest" then prove it. I know you'll say that I don't have to prove anything to you. Prove it to yourself.
I disagree with you on how you define addiction. In short, I have medical reasons why I took pain medication. But the medication is addicting meaning that you crave the medication and suffer serious adverse reactions when you stop taking them. Some medications cause withdrawals, but you don't crave them. If anyone can justify the use of opiate pain medication it would be me. But like I said I have chosen to stop the medication because it was killing me in the end.
I have never had a problem having medication prescribed. Like I pointed out I am held together by plates and screws. Individuals who have legit circumstances, at least in the US, can go to Pain Management facilities. Perhaps, the problem is that there are too many people who do not have a genuine need for opiate based pain medication. Most of the people at the Pain Management facility I went to were there for chronic pain. But there were also the exotic dancers who would go there to get there fix. I'm not stupid, I hear them talking. Some just wanted to get high. That upsets me. And those individuals are the one's you should be scolding.
I don't believe you know the difference between dependency and addiction. Before you slam me do some reflection. The person looking back in the mirror just may be addicted to pain medication.
I have no problem with people who choose to take opiates for chronic pain. However, there are consequences. That was my point. I only gave my experience as one possible outcome. Judge lest you be judged and in the same measure it will be measured onto you. My goal is to help people. I feel insulted by your response. And if you want to take the speck from my eye first take the plank from your own. I am not angry with you, but rather offended. God Bless
A valid physical within 6 months indicationg a documented ailment can be faxed to "sympathetic" online doctors. Google it.
What the fu*ck dude??! I'm nowhere near genetically prone to addiction and have never suffered any kind of trauma.. so scientifically, I'm should not be an addict.
I'm agreein' with Vduba here. Pain medication is really powerful ********************, and the kind of pills that you seem to be asking for will pretty much put you high or out.
If doctors are pi*ssing you off, there's always the street.
Also, this argument doesn't make sense. I mean that in the sense that... you're right! There IS a reason why doctors are hessitant in prescribing narcotics! Congratulations (Sure, it would be nice to counter your cinical defiance with politeness, but I don't have a problem with digging as insensitively as you are).
Originally Posted by ButterflyBelle
So, like, here's a fact: Heroin was not created for illegal trafficking among junkies. In FACT... it isn't called even called "heroin" for the high that it gives you. Doctors named it (...Doctors!) heroin, because it was the "hero" of all painkillers.
Heroin was later removed from the pharmacy due to its growing physical- sometimes psychological- dependency seen in patients.
Heroin is now a street drug.
Oxycontin can also be bought from street dealers; reallll easy.
Haha.. but hey. Since you're Superwoman, who cares?
I understand your grief over not being able to get something strong enough to kill your pain...but I think what the Vduda person is saying basically,is that even though you may or may not be an addict NOW...it is SO easy to become dependent on pain relievers.I began taking opiates for extreme headaches,and wound up taking them for no reason at all other than to just feel "normal",after 10 plus years of taking them.I even broke my own bones on my body just to get them.I can't begin to tell you the madness and hell I went through,and put my 2 daughters through.They basically grew up inside doctors offices and hospitals all over the place.If I would have known that the pain meds were gona take me to that "crazy place" I would have stuck with over the counter Tylenol,and just dealt with the pain.
Good luck....and I hope you are one of the people that "CAN" take them as needed,and not develope that awful habit,cuz it ruined my life and cost me 4 and a half years in prison for forged checks to buy them off the street.The main ingrediant in hydrocodone,btw,is the main ingrediant in heroine.So basdically,I was a heroine junky for many years,when all I started out wanting to do was kill the pain.
I didn't know that my response would have this reaction. Butterfly I hope you don't feel we are all jumping on you. By no means do I want to be insensitive to your situation. I think what we are all trying to convey is that opiate pain meds are very addicting. Sorry if I lost my composure. I participate in this forum to help others who struggle with this Dis-ease. Been clean from opiates six months and I feel awesome. I have a lot of injuries, but I can deal with the pain. You know I think I was in more pain when I was on that laundry list of prescribed meds. They killed me three times. Before i went into detox my whole body was shuting down. Just got my blood work results back a couple of weeks ago and my doc was amazed. He actually said it was a miracle. He had given me about two weeks to live only 6 and half months ago. Now I am in perfect health. Energy levels are super high. I have a 28 yr old girlfriend and she is having a hard time keeping up with me (I'm 41 yrs young). Creativity is back big time. I am a musician and my guitar playing is back to where it was before I became a total junkie. I cannot emphasize how awesome I feel. Just a month and a half ago I wanted to die. Maybe it is a miracle. My psychiatrist placed me back on a maintenance dose of valium and Xanax. I was diagnosed at very young age with an Anxiety Disorder. Been taking benzos for a very long time. The problem was that when I started heavy into opiates 10 years ago my benzo intake increased exponentially (40 to 50 mg a day of Xanax). I got off the benzos for 4 and half months. It was a living hell. Created serious health problems (seizures, high blood pressure, insomnia, gastro intestinal pain, etc). I was not getting better. Doc prescribed me 6 mg of Valium a day and 1 mg of Xanax a day. I take only 1 mg of Valium at bed time and 1 mg in the afternoon. If I have a panic attack I will take .25 mg of Xanax. With age comes wisdom. I pretty much have to take benzos or I will have seizures. There are days I forget to take my meds and I start to seize. My girlfriend gets pissed at me. But I don't crave them and sometimes I just forget about the meds completely. My body has become dependent; like a diabetic is dependent to insulin. My counselor who is an Addictionalogist specialist and has helped me to get over the guilt of having to take the benzos. I don't get high off of them and like I said I try to take as little as possible. That's the difference of being an addict or dependent. Like I said I feel great. Finally, I am sleeping. I would go days without sleeping. Very detremental to your health. As I said my blood work shows that I am in the condition of a marathon runner. I've put on 10 pounds of muscle in the last 1 and half months. My liver has completely healed and my kidneys are working perfectly. My cholesterol dropped from 429 to 212. My triglycerides went from over 1,000 to 100 and my testosterone is of the charts. Blood pressure went from 160/105 to 120/70. My waist went from 40 to 32. When I was at the end of my drug stupor I had gained so much weight; I was 228lbs. When I went through detox I lost 48 lbs in 3 months. I was so sick, dopesick. Now I am back to my normal weight of 190 lbs. I really feel like I am twenty again. And the pain is there, but it doesn't bother me. It is great to be alive again. I'm sorry your suffering and all I wanted to do is point out that there can be dire consequences when taking opiate based pain meds. Hell I'm not judging anyone. I wish the best for you and everyone else on this forum. From the bottom of my heart I hope you find peace. And to everyone who responded may God's blessings rain down on you from up high.
And to think I thought the UK was a bit more liberal with prescription drugs and civil libertys than the overregulated USA. Here the goverment tells DRs what they can and can't do using scare tactics. No DR wants to go to jail. After being in IVY league schools and coming from usually pampered lifestyles they don't fair well in Federal prison. This sadly sends people with our pain issues to the streets for heroin and illegal methadone. I suffer from a sciatic nerve decay and heroin killed the pain completely. I wish i could help more, i will give you a tip. Learn human anotomy and be articulate in your description to your DR and the moment you mention a painkiller to a DR by name "you will not get them" it shows intent.
I have to add....I mildly disagree with ButterflysBelle .. The human brain cant sort out out if you are taking opiates for pain or pleasure. It just overfills your natural dopamines and i'm afraid that if you stop after prolonged use for pleasure or pain, You will go through withdrawal. I went through it but I had no Idea what was happening to me.
Last edited by justinb954; 03-03-2008 at 02:16 AM.
Originally Posted by ButterflyBelle
I understan your situation I lost a whole script of a certain pain med and the doctors thought I sold them. Thank god that a friend on another board gave me this address email@example.com they might be able to help. Dont no but they have good alt meds that have helped my back better then the pain meds perscribed by my doctor
Hang in there
Hi, I have congenital spinal column and cord(s) defect due to spinal bifida occulta with other defects/problems. I am suffering severe pain, too, as well as difficult muscle pain/spasms.... this has been an ongoing problem which will continue to get worse as I get older. I am currently taking a low dose of hydrocodone as needed, and valium as needed to control spasms/pain (though for most of my life I have dealt with the pain without medication). I am continuously looking for other medications, non addictive, to take which will control the problems but not adversely interact with my other medications. Also, I try other pain control methods that help to some degree and stay in good physical shape.
I would like to point at that medically speaking, there is a difference between addiction and physical dependency, though they both can cause nasty withdrawal symptoms. I was several years ago in a serious head on car accident which caused my spinal condition to began deteriorating severely (it was stabilized with surgery in my 20's). I also developed a rare severe bone lose disease called osteoporosis (but not the post menopausal type) that was not found for three years until significant damage was done. During that time my pain was not easily controlled and over a period of four years I went from 1 percocet every 4 -6 hours a day to the duragesic patch 100 U every other day, and during the last six months actiq, one 200 U per day. That is a LOT of heavy pain medication for me because a little goes a long way with my body chemistry. The side effects were horrible, severe constipation, lethargy, depressed mood, weight gain..... etc. I worked very hard during that period of time to maintain my health to keep working at getting better. But at one point I was so bad off that I had to crawl to the bathroom, lost the ability to walk, and I had to develop a program of exercise that I could do in my bed in order to maintain enough muscle strength to move around (the pain was so severe I cried the entire time I exercised). I was terrified of being an addict for the rest of my life and was constantly asking my doctors about this.... as addiction runs in my family. Thankfully, I began to improve very slowly. My pain and family doctor had never seen me prior to my severe pain period, but as my pain got better I insisted on reducing my pain meds. I NEVER enjoyed taking pain medicine, hated the way it made me feel!!!! And still do! But I am very grateful it was available because I wouldn't be here today if it weren't for those compassionate conscientous doctors, a strong will to get better, and my leaning heavily on Jehovah God. It took me 14 months to get myself off the actiq and duragesic patch and my doctors let me do it at my own pace so that the withdrawals were endurable (yes, there were difficult times but nothing worse than a flu or cold would have been).
My understanding of the difference between addiction and physical dependency is one of psychological dependency, and why/how the person is taking the medication/drug. I was definitely physically dependent on my pain medication(s) as the withdrawals prove, however, when my pain improved I just naturally began taking less and less of the pain medication. My nephew has a serious addiction to pain medications and xanax type medications, but he really seems to enjoy them and can't restrain himself if he allows himself to get around the drugs. I don't know why I am not having the same issues.... he has been to prison twice and almost died several times due to this addiction and he is intelligent and a kind person. All I know is that I had good doctors who were honest with me and stood by me when I needed help with horrifying pain levels, and when they told me there was a big difference between addiction and physical dependency they proved to be right in my case.
I was off all addictive medications for more than two years (and had no desire to take any) when I was hit in my car again (in 2005) and this time two of my lumbar discs were completely gone and another badly damaged. I slowly developed severe neurological problems and had to have spinal reconstructive surgery in March of 2007 (I am now about 85% fused in the spine). The surgery went really well but I had two bad falls (due to a weakness in one leg) which has caused more problems. I am currently taking pain medication, Norco up to 4 times a day as needed, and Valium at nightime if needed. I usually have medication left over when time for a refill, but the doctor was prescribing me more initially and had no problem in doing so.
It is my humble opinion that severe chronic nonrelenting pain kills and is as deadly as any other severe health problem over time if left untreated. It can cause high blood pressure, chronic infections, weight loss, depression, suicide, etc. But there are always the bad side effects that have to be dealt with, and the possibility of serious addiction problems. I personally make sure that I have a really superb set of doctors watching out for me (ones I can really trust to keep an eye out for me if I get in trouble), ones that are compassionate but conservative with the addictive medications, ones that are willing to help search out and prescribe any helpful alternative pain relief methods, and I make sure I stay completely honest with them at ALL times. That is the only way I feel safe enough to take pain/addicitve medications for any extended period of time.
May all doctors be cautious, compassionate, and competent when it comes to treatment of severe pain. I think the best treatment for pain is a really good doctor, a strong faith and support system, and realizing that it is your body/life & your responsibility in terms of whatever decisions you make. Hang in there... it can get better.
Thanks for listening,
Bless You Belle
I have had Multiple Sclerosis for 35 years, top that off with Fibromyalgia a seizure disorder and Rhuematoid arthritis, In the US it is very hard to find a physican that will write for the medications that will help you as there are so many that ABUSE narcotics. As one of the other responders to your post mentioned there is a HUGE difference in needing medication and just wanting it for recreational use. I have gone thru so many physicans you wouldnt belieive, the minute you mention any opiate they look at you like a seeker. I take a shot weekly called Avonex which keeps the lesions under control, and every time I take the shot I have a range of side effects from a temperature of 103, seizures and aches. Then I am in bed for 2 or 3 days or in my wheelchair, but no one realizes the pain that is associated with certian disablilities. I had one doctor sadly the one I worked for that helped me immensely, I was on the Fentyl Patch which was a blessing and need very little else. When he passed I had to start all over again, with the painful testing, and repetitive description of my H & P and symptoms. It has been a nightmare, so I do know where you are coming from. Hang in there, try contacting NIMH they have good information and referrals. I am not sure what your suffering from but there are alot of support groups that are available for help. Take care
Originally Posted by ButterflyBelle
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I do not know what to do.
Hello i am new here, and I just am looking for someone who can relate to me and what i am going through.. I was diganosed with fybromagilia and i think that i have MS. I am in so much chronic pain , that its interfering in my daily life. No one knows what i deal with every day, not even the man in my life. He just does not understand what I am going through.. I take pain meds on a regular basis for sever headaches, and the chronic pain and my other half thinks that i am addicted to pain pills.. Not to sound stupid but how would i know if I am addicted?
I have fibro and DDD and fibro mimics ms same sysmtoms...
Oh trust you know if you are addicted,you start taking pills for any little reason or cant wait till your next dose, spend money you don't have to get more drugs the list goes on and on...
I was addicted to pain pills for about three years it was a nightmare
let us know how to help you
Talk to you soon, Melinda
Not all doctors are devils, hiwever, you live in a country that is depleted of healthcare resources and proper specialists due to its model of providing healthcare(Universal Healthcare)
Originally Posted by ButterflyBelle
I know no one personally to refer you to where you live, but maybe you have not been refereed to the proper specialist that is experienced in treating your problem. I know a lady in Europe that had t wait over a year to even get an MRYou probably have had to wait a miserably ling time to even have an MRI, which finally revealed the source of her problem. She had to go to her primary care doctor repeatedly, and after 4 plain x-rays that did not reveal the herniated disks she was finally refered to an orthopedist and a neurologist. This however, is a horror story.
Please tell me where your pain is located, what it feels like (i.e. stabbing dull cramping, etc.), its frequency, what makes it worse, what you do for pain control, have a broken bone history of any medical conditions, chronic health problems, surgeries and I swear I will try to advise you on how to get through the red tape to get care. Chronic pain is a sign something greater is wrong. Please be honest, I do not judge.
I care about people, am a physician assistant, and have free time I devote to informing people about risks and benefits of medication for a personal reason. If I know something that might clarify or help, I will tell someone, expecting nothing in return.
A bit of local knowledge
This has to be the worst thread I've read on here by a long way. So much judgement and really, really bad information.
ButterflyBelle said he/she was in the UK and was unable to find adequate pain relief. There was no mention of what pain meds are currently not working - being the UK national health service, it may not even be opiates. Either way, if someone is in pain, it is their choice how to deal with it.
All the brands that have been mentioned here are american brands, a lot of which are not used in the UK or are used under a different name. Also, many of the drugs used here in the US are not prescribed there due to cost so not exactly the ideal model.
For example, acetaminophen is illegal in the UK. Paracetamol is used instead which is the same chemicals with a slightly different manufacturing process. Paracetamol is slightly safer. Most people think it is the same product under a different name. Tylenol is not a brand that exists in the UK.
Hydrocodone is illegal in the UK and hence never prescribed. Nobody there had ever heard of vicodin before the TV show House. Including doctors.
Codeine, which can only be obtained with a prescription in the US, is available over-the-counter in the UK, when mixed with paracetamol or ibuprofen. Pure codeine is often prescribed as the standard when someone is sent home after surgery in 30mg tabs.
Dihydrocodeine is available both over the counter when mixed and less than 8mg and pure and in higher doses when prescribed.
Heroin which someone mentioned as a "street drug" is used in UK hospitals when morphine is insufficient. They call it diamorphine. Brown heroin (number 3) is sold on the streets as it is in the US. China White or pure heroin (number 4) is rarely seen in Europe but is sometimes seen in the US. Black tar heroin from Mexico is not sold often in Europe on the streets either.
Morphine is prescribed and used in hospitals and orally for home use, but not that often for home use. I had a relative prescribed it when she was about to die, had both legs amputated and had gone blind.
I have never heard of fentanyl being prescribed - I believe this is due to its high cost. I'm not sure it's available on the NHS. (I might be wrong on this one). I think the same applies to hydromorphone and oxymorphone.
The brand Oxycontin is not well known in the UK and is not commonly sold on the streets. Oxycodone is prescribed but I'm not sure if you can get it on the NHS. When I was there a pharmacist had heard of it so it is probably prescribed in serious situations.
ButterflyBelle, I sympathize, I was never prescribed any particularly strong pain meds when I was in the UK. You do have every right to change your GP if you are not happy. Perhaps try explaining that what you have been prescribed is not working. Doctors there are less likely to prescribe addictive meds there than they are here in the US. It comes down to motivation. When your salary is fixed and you don't care if patients go elsewhere then why risk being struck off. You might need to go private.... or abroad.
That was a good post buisnessman. People need to be careful of judging others.
Another post you made that I liked was one made in response to someone saying "you need to throw the rest of your opiates away". You said you would not do it because you might need them and didnt want to be stuck needing them and not have any.
Some people CAN use responsibly after they have had a problem and some CANT because those people choose not to be responsible. I have pain that warrants medicine like OxyContin, so I have been doing great by making that decision daily...that I will be responsible. I refuse to live in agony.
I agree - as long as people are given the right information first.