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10-30-2009, 03:28 PM
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I don't really know anything about subutex. What is the difference between subutex and methadone, is it less addictive? and is there really any benefit to switching from one addictive medication to another? Isn't it messed up what we put ourselves through for years because we didn't want to spend a few days being sick? |
10-30-2009, 08:20 PM
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Corrinne, It's BEYOND messed up what we've put ourselves through, thats for sure. Methadone and subutex are both opiate replacement therapies and both are addictive but methadone is used as a long term treatment while subutex/suboxone is a shorter term drug. It's advised that someone on methadone get down to 30 mgs. or lower before making the switch to sub. Then you have to go approximately 72 hours taking nothing until you are in withdrawal before starting the sub. The good thing is within a short time after taking the sub, all withdrawal symptoms are gone. If done properly, a sub taper can be done in a much shorter time frame than a meth taper. There are several people on this forum who could guide your boyfriend through a taper if thats what he decides to do. Do a search online at suboxone.com then plug in your zip to see how many doctors are in your area that perscribe sub. It's an easier way than getting off methadone alone. See http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html for information.  |
11-01-2009, 11:54 PM
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Hi. My name is Somer and this is my first time on this, or any, forum. I have been on Methadone now for almost two and a half years, at 100 mg daily, after 5 years of shooting up oxy's. (Anywhere from 240mgs to 640 mgs daily.) I REALLY want to get off of Methadone, but am COMPLETELY scared to death!! I can't afford to have ANY HEAVY withdrawals as I am a SINGLE mother of two young children and I have to be able to take care of them. I know there is NO WAY OUT without experiencing some withdrawals, but am wondering what route to take that would cause the least severe ones. If anyone has any suggestions as to what to do, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Thanks so much!
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11-02-2009, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by noda0508  Hi. My name is Somer and this is my first time on this, or any, forum. I have been on Methadone now for almost two and a half years, at 100 mg daily, after 5 years of shooting up oxy's. (Anywhere from 240mgs to 640 mgs daily.) I REALLY want to get off of Methadone, but am COMPLETELY scared to death!! I can't afford to have ANY HEAVY withdrawals as I am a SINGLE mother of two young children and I have to be able to take care of them. I know there is NO WAY OUT without experiencing some withdrawals, but am wondering what route to take that would cause the least severe ones. If anyone has any suggestions as to what to do, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Thanks so much! | there is a way out somer, subs, but you have to get down to around 30mg before you can change over. beleive me i have tried coming off methadone a few times in the past, swearing i would never go back, but i did.
i managed to get myself roughly down to 30mg, and did a bit of a dodgy switch over, however made it,
i counted from 14mg of subs, to 1mg over a period of 3-4 months.
it is possible pal, thats what you have to aim for. 30mg, then go subs.
have a read of my thread sub taper <2mg,
its been relatively uneventful, despite my fears, in fact my fear was much more than any symptoms i have encountered,
mainly stretching in the very early mornings.
you do your research pal, there is a way off methadone though.
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11-02-2009, 01:54 AM
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To add to what cheeky just said, it should not be hard at all to go from 100 mgs. methadone to 30 mgs. You can go in 10 or 5 mgs. increments every couple of weeks. Take you time with it but there should be no bad feelings til you get to the low doses at which point you can slow it down even further. Then when you get to 30, listen to what cheeky said, investigation switching to subutex. Tapering from that is close to painless. |
11-02-2009, 09:43 AM
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Thank you so much for replying! How much does it cost to get on Suboxone? I have a list of docs. in my area that prescribe it. Does it make you feel like Methadone? What are the withdrawal symptoms like? Aren't subs just about like Methadone as far as "swapping one for the other?" I heard people say that that's what Methadone was, "swapping one for the other," but didn't believe it at first. Now, I totally agree!!! I am now "strung out" on Methadone probably worse than the Oxy's as I have heard from countless people that the withdrawals are WAY worse!!! Just need a little more info before making a decision to switch! Thanks again so much! |
11-02-2009, 12:05 PM
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Hi. This is Somer again. I just called and spoke with the doctor's office in my area that prescribes Suboxone. I was just wondering what it makes you feel like. Anyone who has been on Methadone knows that it has a tendency to make you sleepy. Does Suboxone do the same? Do you experience ANY withdrawals coming down from it? Does it taste bad? How long does it last? Any response is much appreciated!!! 
p.s.- I found out the price for Suboxone from the docs. office.
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11-02-2009, 03:44 PM
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New York gal: thanks for the info. It was very helpful. They offer Subutex at my clinic, I will be going in the AM to get some information on it for my husband.
Somer: I just learned about this medication too. I'm too low already but my husband is at 30ml of methadonw. I have a whole list of questions to ask the clinic tomorrow. I will share w/ you the information I get if you still need it. |
11-02-2009, 07:14 PM
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That would be GREAT! I will be going shortly for the initial consultation, but it will be a while before I get to 30 mg on Methadone and am able to start Suboxone. But yeah, I would appreciate all of the information you could give me. |
11-02-2009, 08:10 PM
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I understand your concern about swapping out one drug for another but there really are vast differences between sub and methadone. First of all, suboxone does not generally make you feel sleepy at all. It doesnt make you high, it doesnt make you sick. It basically makes you feel normal if taken correctly. It does have the druggy effect that meth does. The main difference between the two is this. When you get on methadone, it is generally accepted that its for the long haul. Most people are on methadone for years. While some doctors will tell you subutex is also a long term drug, its not true. There are people on this board who can help you with a taper plan, which, if done correctly, will have you off everything within a couple of months relatively pain free. Get your information here before listening to a doctor. Alot of them give bad information such as starting people on way too high a dose and leaving them on too long as opposed to tapering off. Go to Featured Drugs on this forum then look for a sticky called Suboxone-Subutex induction (or close)... Read that for further information. Somer, in answer to your other questions, it doesnt taste too bad at all, not delicious but not awful either. Its perscribed as a twice a day drug but in Europe and Australia its only given once a day. Either way, it has a very long half life so it lasts all day. |
11-02-2009, 10:03 PM
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New York Gal, thank you so much for your time to answer my questions! I think this will definitely be the road I take! I really appreciate your caring and kindness to help a complete stranger! Could I have your e-mail address so that I may direct any further questions directly to you? Mine is noda0508@att.net. Thank you, again, so much! |
11-03-2009, 04:43 AM
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in my post above i wrote "it does have the druggy feeling that meth does". Of course what i meant to say is "It does NOT have the druggy feeling that meth does". Sorry. |
11-03-2009, 05:03 AM
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somer, i tried to email you at the email you provided but it bounced back and said "permanent error"..... do you have another email you can give me? If not I'll just give you mine. |
11-03-2009, 10:37 AM
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No. That's the right one. If you don't mind, just give me yours and then when I send you an e-mail, you can save mine that way. |
11-03-2009, 02:12 PM
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blrubock@yahoo.com. Speak to you soon. |
11-12-2009, 08:05 PM
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somer, ive done methadone, and all sorts of other opiates, and for the first time im on an opiate that isnt as sedating as methadone.
you seem to have a clearer head, and more energy.
and its a damn sight easier to taper off, i have gone from 14 to 1 in 4 months. and im pretty stoked for myself.
so go for it, read around here lots, im so glad i found this site, otherwise my uninformed doctor would probably still have me on 12 or more.
even tho on subs you kind of feel "normal', your eyes are still pinpricked, and you certainly do not feel any kind of withdrawl. and on each level when i dropped i had no issues. its all good.
hope that answers any questions. any more feel free to ask.
later
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