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    Hello All,

    This is my first post and I am new here so bear with me. To make a long story short, it started with severe neck pain and some pinched nerves which in one year and half led to a 300 - 360mg a day oxycodone habit. I just can't believe it but here I am. I went to a doctor yesterday who is planning to get me on suboxone on tuesday. I have to refrain from not using for 24 hours, then he wants me to take 3 ten milligram suboxone strips and go to his office so he can monitor me for a while.

    After, reading around on this forum I am very confused and am fearful of replacing one addiction for another. I am thinking about trying to taper myself down to around 100mg of oxycodone and maybe then try suboxone.

    I would appreciate any feedback and some answers to these question:

    1) If I go the suboxone route and wait a full 24 hours from my last oxycodone pill am I most likely out of the woods for getting precipitated withdrawals? My dodtor is giving me a few clonidine and valium pills to help during this 24 hour induction period...

    2) Does anyone have any tapering schedules for oxycodone that they can recommend? I want to give it a shot and if I can't then I can't but I won't know until I try...I just feel like it is more logical to try to just taper down from the drug that I am using rather then switch to another....

    3) Is suboxone my only way out or can I taper down from oxycodone and then jump off while taking some other medications to cover the final withdrawals, i.e. ativan, xanax, clonidine,..

    I am really scared and want to really understand all of the options that I have to kill this beast before I commit to a plan of action. I am also afraid of getting on suboxone for a few months, which is what the doctor wants me to do because it seems like suboxone withdrawal is worse then the oxycodone...

    Robert, if you are out there, I have read some of your posts and would greatly appreciate your insight and/or suggestions to my situation. Thank you!
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    Oxytired~ Just wanted to say good for you for taking the first step, admitting you are addicted and wanting to change. I do not have any experience with suboxone, and I understand everyone is different. I was doing about 5-6 oxycodone 30s daily plus Opana 40s up to 3-4 of those at day. I know what you mean by just not being able to believe you even got into this situation. While using, I was in denial of my problem and while becoming sober it really was shocking at times to reflect on my previous actions and life. Whichever plan you choose, Im rooting for you Take care!U

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    Robert, Is this tapering for suboxone on track with what you are suggesting? My doctor will be giving me 10mg sublingual strips that dissolve on the tongue. I am assuming that I will start out at 10mg because I have been taking 360mg of oxycodone per day..How do I give myself accurate doses when I have to take 2.3mg or 3.15mg or other odd doses?

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    oxytired,
    I'm not Robert, but I can almost guarantee you he will tell you 1) you don't go by a set time for induction (24 hours, etc...) and 2) don't just start at 10mg - and certainly not 3 x 10mg!

    To induct, you want to use the COWS worksheet and wait until you get to a 26. Start with smaller doses and work your way up as needed. When I went on subs I was using over 400mg of oxy and around 50mg of dilaudid a day and inducted at 6mg. We're all different, and maybe you will need 10mg, but I really doubt it. Good luck!

    FYI - Sub doesn't come in 10mg doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    Robert, Is this tapering for suboxone on track with what you are suggesting? My doctor will be giving me 10mg sublingual strips that dissolve on the tongue. I am assuming that I will start out at 10mg because I have been taking 360mg of oxycodone per day..How do I give myself accurate doses when I have to take 2.3mg or 3.15mg or other odd doses?

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    Crazin is right, NO ONE needs that much sub, and it doesn't come in 10mg doses. Here is the link to how I do this on the forum. Read it closely, especially the INDUCTION section. I wish that you would get your meds and let me induct you right here. I will have you totally stable on less than 4mg for the entire day most likely. I have inducted people at less than 2mg. Drs just give you a huge dose so they don't have to mess with you and then they end up getting you addicted to the subs which is worse than where you are now. Let me know if you want me to induct you, and READ THE LINK. God bless.

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    Robert,

    I have a question. My Dr. prescribed me some clonidine and valium to help during the induction period. Won't this mask the symptoms on the COWS scale? I was planning on waiting a full 24 hours since my last pill. Won't that pretty much guarantee that I won't go into precipitated withdrawals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    Robert,

    I have a question. My Dr. prescribed me some clonidine and valium to help during the induction period. Won't this mask the symptoms on the COWS scale? I was planning on waiting a full 24 hours since my last pill. Won't that pretty much guarantee that I won't go into precipitated withdrawals?




    Yes, some sub drs are ignorant. You shouldn't take ANYTHING leading up to the induction. That would be a HUGE mistake. Let me know if you want me to induct you here myself. You'll get it done right that way. God bless.
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    the problem is after 12 hours or so I get extreme anxiety and restlessness to the point where it becomes unbearable. I just don't know how I can a full 24 hours without the aid of clonidine and valium or something else? I am really scared..

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    the problem is after 12 hours or so I get extreme anxiety and restlessness to the point where it becomes unbearable. I just don't know how I can a full 24 hours without the aid of clonidine and valium or something else? I am really scared..



    You can stand on your head for 24 hours! This is your life we are talking about. What if no clonidine or valium existed? What would you do then? You would make it the 24 hours on your own. It just depends on how badly you want to do this. Let me know. God bless.
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    i don't mean to be beating a dead horse but what is exactly wrong with taking the clonidine and diazapem during this period to ease the symptoms so I can wait a full 24 hours? I am just trying to understand as best I can...

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    Because you need to score a 26 or higher on the COWS worksheet to be inducted properly. If you're taking drugs prior to induction you'll not be able to truly see what your state of w/d is.

    Read the following link on sub therapy that we use and pay close attention to the INDUCTION section. This is how you start out properly at the lowest effective dose and have a positive experience using subs. Hope that helps. God bless.

    http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
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    Robert, what would be a good taper schedule to try to reduce the amount of roxies I am taking? I think I want to try to taper down on the roxies while loading myself up with vitamins and aminoacids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    Robert, what would be a good taper schedule to try to reduce the amount of roxies I am taking? I think I want to try to taper down on the roxies while loading myself up with vitamins and aminoacids...


    Then you should use the Thomas Recipe in conjunction with the clonidine and valium. The valium is even called for in the Thomas Recipe. Here is a link.

    Check it out, lots of people have gotten clean using it and you'll be clean totally in about ten days. Hope this helps. God bless.

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    i have been taking 8 30s a day,,so what i did is cut them all in half so in my mind that is 16 15 milligram pills,,,i am telling my self that is enough,,oh forgot to say im cutting 7 and not 8,,,,im taking a half every hour and a half and so far im ok,,real tired and lazy and my nose just started dripping but all in all ok,,ive been on these 30sand whatever else i could get after there gone forabout 3 yrs,,,,so i gotta taper then try thomas recipe,,i remember the wds from the lower doses,,i can just imagine these,,im terrified beyond anything,,i want to stop soooo bad,,so if i take 1 pill less today,,yay,,for me,,good luck,try cutting them in half,,cause sometimes its the fact of taking something we need and lower doses will do,,see what i mean,good luck

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    Hi Robert,

    Just wanted to touch base with you again. I have decided to taper myself down until I get to about 3 pills a day(30mg oxycodone). I am reducing by 1 pill per week and right now I am at 8 pills a day from 12 pills a day. It hasn't been too bad at all so far I am very determined to get this monkey off my back. I am also taking a lot of vitamins and amino acids that are specifically designed to improve brain chemistry, drinking a ton of water and taking steams and saunas everyday. Once I get to around 3 pills I will make the jump and take nothing and try to use the thomas recipe for a few days to make it through. I will also have some suboxone on hand in case it gets too bad. If it does get too bad and unbearable I will take the suboxone in .5 mg doses every 2 hours until I get stabilized and then work on weaning off from there..

    Does this sound like a realistic/good plan to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    Hi Robert,

    Just wanted to touch base with you again. I have decided to taper myself down until I get to about 3 pills a day(30mg oxycodone). I am reducing by 1 pill per week and right now I am at 8 pills a day from 12 pills a day. It hasn't been too bad at all so far I am very determined to get this monkey off my back. I am also taking a lot of vitamins and amino acids that are specifically designed to improve brain chemistry, drinking a ton of water and taking steams and saunas everyday. Once I get to around 3 pills I will make the jump and take nothing and try to use the thomas recipe for a few days to make it through. I will also have some suboxone on hand in case it gets too bad. If it does get too bad and unbearable I will take the suboxone in .5 mg doses every 2 hours until I get stabilized and then work on weaning off from there..

    Does this sound like a realistic/good plan to you?




    That sounds perfectly okay to me. Just be sure you have a COWS worksheet on hand before taking any subs. You need to be in w/d scoring a 26 at least before taking any subs.

    If you need the subs it will be in the beginning and that is when you need to score yourself so you don't go into precipitated w/d, which you'll badly regret if you do it. If you make it 4-5 days it would be literally stupid to take the subs at that point so it wouldn't matter, you would be getting some better by then.

    Just talk to me about the scoring on the COWS worksheet before you get into those subs. Once you make yourself sick with them it's an entirely new game!

    Hope that helps. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    Hi Robert,

    Just wanted to touch base with you again. I have decided to taper myself down until I get to about 3 pills a day(30mg oxycodone). I am reducing by 1 pill per week and right now I am at 8 pills a day from 12 pills a day. It hasn't been too bad at all so far I am very determined to get this monkey off my back. I am also taking a lot of vitamins and amino acids that are specifically designed to improve brain chemistry, drinking a ton of water and taking steams and saunas everyday. Once I get to around 3 pills I will make the jump and take nothing and try to use the thomas recipe for a few days to make it through. I will also have some suboxone on hand in case it gets too bad. If it does get too bad and unbearable I will take the suboxone in .5 mg doses every 2 hours until I get stabilized and then work on weaning off from there..

    Does this sound like a realistic/good plan to you?
    I was on about 8-10 of those a day for 2 years and about 100vike 10's a week. oh and I had no excuse I just liked the "high" well almost 2 weeks ago some friends that date back almost 25 years and i am almost 35, confronted me and said you need help! i was ready!!

    so what i did was taper the roxies.. i went down from 10-8-6-6-5-4-3-2.. none..Now be warned, come day 4-5 on your taper you will feel w/d sysmptoms just not that bad at all really. heres the tricky part... you will want to get "high", but you must have self control to say 3 for today and thats it!! what i did was break all of them in halfs, so mentally i was doing the same but physically i wanst.. Here i am in day 2 of withdrawals and Im at work being somewhat productive. I used the "Thomas Recipe" and i am OK.. definitley not 100% and nowhere close but 48 hours after my last roxy, I am ok.

    Now, I have no idea what you are like with benzos but if you cannot get addicted to them you can basically make the really tense symptoms of w/d go away with the benzos. im not even talking alot, maybe 4mg a day..

    This reply is in response of not going on the subs---- this is coming from someone who flushed 80 of them in his totilet, which btw why is it still orange!!

    any way you choose is great! the only bad choice are those little bl;ue devils..

    Best of luck!!

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    Just wanted to give an update on my progress...I am in the process of weaning myself down. I was taking 12 oxycodone 30mg per day and now I am at 5. I am trying not to do it too fast. I will probably stay at 5 for five to seven days before I drop to 4 and so on...Just curious, Robert, when do you think I should make the jump off completely. Is it ok to do it when I am 2 or should I try to get down to 1 or .5. I am trying to minimize my withdrawals as best I can. once I do make the jump I will be using aspects of the Thomas Recipe, klonidine, valium, immodium..

    Oh, I have also been vigilant in taking lots of amino acid type supplements to support my brain chemistry during this ordeal and so far I have experienced minimal discomfort...This is truly a pain in the ass but I am committed to getting my life back on my terms not this damn pill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytired View Post
    Just wanted to give an update on my progress...I am in the process of weaning myself down. I was taking 12 oxycodone 30mg per day and now I am at 5. I am trying not to do it too fast. I will probably stay at 5 for five to seven days before I drop to 4 and so on...Just curious, Robert, when do you think I should make the jump off completely. Is it ok to do it when I am 2 or should I try to get down to 1 or .5. I am trying to minimize my withdrawals as best I can. once I do make the jump I will be using aspects of the Thomas Recipe, klonidine, valium, immodium..

    Oh, I have also been vigilant in taking lots of amino acid type supplements to support my brain chemistry during this ordeal and so far I have experienced minimal discomfort...This is truly a pain in the ass but I am committed to getting my life back on my terms not this damn pill.



    Honestly I think you can taper a little faster than that like every three days. And I would go ahead and start with the Thomas Recipe ingredients now. Go ahead and start getting the L-Tyrosine with B6 and all the stuff in your system working now. Once you get down to a couple pills a day I would go it! You're going to have some discomfort no matter what you do, so at that point there is no sense in prolonging it any longer. That is my best advice. God bless.
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    Just wanted to updated everyone on my status.

    Well, I made the final jump off of the oxycodone 36 hours ago. Let me say this, I have been researching like crazy the best way to do this because I am deadly afraid of the W/D's and I decided that I did not want to do suboxone. In my mind there were just too many drawbacks the biggest being PAWS(Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome). I read a recent study that highlighted the extremely high suicide rate of individuals who had recently been on suboxone and went through PAWS which can hit someone weeks after they are totally off of it...I actually knew someone personally who committed suicide after coming off suboxone as well and then this study came out so for me suboxone was not an issue. Let me say this though, these individual were on high levels of suboxone for a long time. They didn't do the approach like Robert does which I think is genius and I applaud him for all the people he has helped. I truly believe that is the only protocol for how suboxone should be used ethically. EVERYONE else out there is doing it horribly wrong and truly damaging peoples lives permanently. My hat off to you Robert. You should consider opening up your own detox center!

    Ok. Back to my story. Needless to say I know myself and I know that I just could not handle the withdrawal symptoms when they kick in hardcore. They drive me crazy to the point of panic.

    So I finally came across an herbal product called Kratom that is totally legal. OMG, I can not believe it. I have not experienced any withdrawals AT ALL!! That combined with some clonidine and a little valium and so far it has been amazing. To be honest, even before I took the clonidine and valium I felt good but my doctor recommended I take them so I am taking very low doses. .1 mg clonidine twice a day and 5 mg valium twice a day and I feel really good, I slept great last night and remember I was taking 360mg of roxi's a day!!

    This has truly been a blessing so far and I am fortunate to have doctor that is really into natural/herbal remedies as well and he is also amazed. He plans on studying Kratom more and monitoring my case so he can offer it to his other patients who are long term suboxone users. I have talked to over 30 different people who have used this herb to get them off of methadone, suboxone, >>>>>>...You name it. There was this one guy who was 150mg of methadone and he jumped cold turkey off of that with kratom and had absolutely no W/D's..NONE!.

    I know it's only 36 hours but I am so excited and had to share. I will continue to keep you updated how its going. Sobriety here I come

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    Another day has passed and I am doing great. This is truly amazing. I slept great last night and felt good when I woke up in the morning. Just to remind you, I was taking 360mg of oxycodone a day. I weaned myself down to 120 and then I jumped off with the aid of kratom, very little clonidine and very little valium. I feel so lucky not to have to suffer. I have been feeling better then when I was actually taking the oxycodone. This kratom is a miracle herb! I am not kidding...

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    another few days have passed and I am doing fantastic. I haven't touched suboxone, just jumped off a huge oxy habit with the aid of a natural herb and it totally eliminated all of the w\d's...There is no need to suffer when doing this, there really is a way to do it without going through hell. I am living proof. feel free to pm me if you want specifics. I am so grateful and definitely want to pay it forward to others that are in the same situation!

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    Well, it has officially been one week off of the big O and I am feeling great. I strongly encourage those of you out there who are looking for a painless way out of this nightmare then do your research on kratom. I am living proof that it works miracles. I still can't believe it. I have even spoken to people who have serious chronic pain and they say that it helps with that too...Totally freakin amazing.....

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    I'm curious about using Kratom as a withdrawal aid for opiate addiction. I'm coming off hydro myself and stumbled upon Kratom online. I'm wondering if this is an acceptable method to help handle the withdrawal and detox or if it is a mask for the addiction as it is an opiate derivitive itself (i think...i'm not sure on how all it works).
    anyone have any kind of info to help clear up any confusion?

    Any info for obtaining Kratom? I found some website but that makes me uneasy...health food store or anything?

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    Haypress is offline Junior Member
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    Oxytired, I'm not quite sure how to use PM's but would love the specifics, ie where you bought it, dosage etc. if you could shoot me a private message it would be greatly appreciated!

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