[tired2]

Hi,
I'm new here guess I'll start at the beginning.I have been on pain meds for over 25yrs. I use to get vic and valiums 100 per script back then and only saw the Doc. once. Doc would fill scripts by phone which went on for 2 yrs. then he moved which yes, sent me srambbling. Went back to old Doc. who had sent me to that Doc. for migraines. I was put on valium ,stadol ,several hydro's. I later had to have back surgery multi levels which kept me on pain meds. Then it was time to find another Doc. time to panic again how will I get my pills.I found another Doc. who would give me meds. for my chronic back pain only vicoprofen 7.5(sister) to vicodin both are hydros and zanax .Only 30 a script so when u are out thats it. I had several knee surgeries and one shoulder which I tried to get the most vic I could I would use two pharmacies. I was sent to a phyciatrist b/c pain causes depression and a pain management Doc.for the pain, actually she did not want to perscribe me meds anymore. Now on anti depressants and Zanax but was able to get my zanax thru phyciatrist .Then comes pain management I stared on vic went to norco,oxy,fentanyl patch,avinza which started low and ended on 90mg. I was on the following when I went to detox:
Avinza 90mg morphine
Zanax .05 4x day
Dalmane bedtime
Ambien CR12.5
Effexor 300
Neurotin 300 3x day
Requip 1mg bedtime restless legs
cant remember the rest. Well I went into detox 1 1/2 yrs ago I went off the drugs for a week . Went though the 4 day detox but, it was not the place for me I was out one week later. Well got home and got all that great stuff we all know diarrhea ,sweats, chills and muscle pain etc. which I thought that part would not happen going thru the medical part of detox .However after detox I needed something and went back to my pain Doc.to be reavaluated I explained that I went to detox to get off morphine so we could see if the pain was real or medically induced . I think I made him mad that I went to the clinic. Well I was still in pain I was being honest but ,he treated me diff. put me on 7.5 vic then did a urine test that was a new one. I had been seeing him for 3yrs. prior and never had been tested. He would not up my dose to save my soul . I'm glad he didnt however ,he still treats me like an addict 1 1/2 yrs. later . So much for honesty I even took my meds as persribed the whole time I saw him. He did a urine test on my last visit and told me it was to see how I was handling the drug but ,I ask for a copy of my visit and u bet I was tested for it all . I plan to bring it up on my next visit if I go back. He told me to tell my shrink he should stop my pain . My pyhciatrist had me on Effexor 300mg. I quit on my own 5 months ago read alot of bad things about getting off the drug which I was able to do on my own. I'm on requip 1mg. for restless legs at bedtime and klonopin .05 4x day and Neurotin 300 3x day .Then I was put on Subotex for 2 days 8mg 2x per day ,then Suboxone same dose started March 12 only on 1 month. I wake up during the night in severe pain different areas its better during the day. The part I cant handle is the constant nausea.I even started to get mild sweats. I have called the Doc. but he has no answers just tells me to keep taking. I thought Suboxone was to break the drug addiction without w/d ? Then I started reading more and it is really just another drug you have to taper off which means w/d all over agian .The only good thing is I'm not chopping off heads , also I have no craving for opiates which I have few scripts I never took. I want off this drug cannot handle anymore w/d than necessary . My Klonopin will be the next drug I will need to taper . I know baby steps one at a time. All my meds. I'm on are from same Doc. could they be interacting??
Current List:
Soboxone 8mg 2x day
Klonopin .05mg 4x day Anxiety/Panic attacks
Requip 1mg bedtime Restless Legs
Neurotin 300mg 3x day
Well everyone I'm sorry this is so long.

[Robert_325]

I want you to read the following link. This is how I suggest people use the suboxone from the induction down to a small dose. At that time I usually make suggestions as necessary until you're off completely. This is the system I originally used on myself and I had been taking HUGE amounts of RX opiates going back to 1968.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html


You've been on the subs for a month. That is enough time where the worst of the initial opiate detox that you are using them for is over. It could be that you're reacting adversely to the naloxone in the suboxone especially since you're likely taking more than you really need in my experience.

Subutex doesn't have naloxone and lots of people do better on subutex me included. Drs always seem to RX suboxone automatically. I would try to get subutex if possible. In the meantime you should start reducing your dose by 25% at a time. So if you're at 16mg then you should reduce to 12mg starting in the morning according to the aforementioned schedule in the link. I'm on here every day, just post on this thread when you begin. God bless.

[tired2]

Thanks Robert , I will start tomorrow. So do I split doses twice or just once since I have seen that prior on site? Would taking 16mg be causing the nausea all this time? Could the Requip which I read is a dopamine agonist cause interaction with Suboxone? I'm having a hard time finding Glad to be here to read as u suggested. I'm sorry to bother you, I'm new to all this.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Thanks Robert , I will start tomorrow. So do I split doses twice or just once since I have seen that prior on site? Would taking 16mg be causing the nausea all this time? Could the Requip which I read is a dopamine agonist cause interaction with Suboxone? I'm having a hard time finding Glad to be here to read as u suggested. I'm sorry to bother you, I'm new to all this.

You just take two doses per day. Only reason for that is it helps during the taper later on. Otherwise I would say to do it all at once during mid day. But you'll see how the two doses help later on.

You can see an entire induction done properly at the link I mentioned .... Glad To Be Here will be at the following link ....

http://www.drugs.com/forum/need-talk...ere-50301.html

Yes if you are reacting to the suboxone you could be feeling just like you're describing. I've seen it over and again.

Stay in touch, God bless.

[tired2]

Robert I left out some info but ,after reading other sites which you have walked people thru the induction I realized that they matter. When I went to the doc. he asked me when I took my last hydro which was one hour prior. He then handed me two scripts one Subotex 8mg and Suboxone 8mg/2mg told me take twice a day and sent me on my way to fill them. You mention being in certain stage of w/d is important that if the time is not right you can have percipitated w/d.Would this cause my nausea,pain etc.? I also tried to taper about two weeks ago by 1/2 pill then day 3 came, you know what happened then so I went back to full dose but still feel horriable.I thought Subs were to help with all that while you w/d.I will try to get the doc. to switch but I doubt he will ,he never listens as it is.Should u feel a buzz when u take the Subs? I just want to b normal! My family is tired of my problem.Then the anxiety and panic attacks don't help.I found myself crying as I'm writting this and don't know why other than someone actually understands . Not to mention I hope I didn't screw all this up. Well I did start my taper and I'm excited about that since ,I need to live again like a normal person, whatever that is.I'm glad to have found your sight .
Thanks Robert and God Bless and Happy Easter!!!

[tired2]

Robert I sent you a post the other day but I'm not sure if I did it correctly since,I did not hear back.I know you are busy so I hope I'm not bothering you?

I had left out somethings regarding how I started the Suboxone .Which is in my last post. I started my taper yesterday .I felt horriable all day . So far today just light headed and every muscle still hurts .We'll see how the nausea is today .That really kicks my butt.

Thank's so much!!!!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Robert I sent you a post the other day but I'm not sure if I did it correctly since,I did not hear back.I know you are busy so I hope I'm not bothering you?

I had left out somethings regarding how I started the Suboxone .Which is in my last post. I started my taper yesterday .I felt horriable all day . So far today just light headed and every muscle still hurts .We'll see how the nausea is today .That really kicks my butt.

Thank's so much!!!!

Sorry! I usually see all the questions but sometimes I miss one. Glad you pointed this out as YES it's very important that you be in at least moderately severe w/d when you begin the induction. That's how people can inducted at 6mg and 8mg rather than 16mg or more.

I hardly ever see anyone needing over 8mg, they are usually people with very special circumstances. I even stabilized myself at 8mg doing like we suggest and I had been using huge amounts since 1968! I doubt too many people come here who've been using longer than 35 years. So I figure if it worked for me it should work at least similarly for others.

People who go into precipitated w/d will often throw up, they can feel like they are almost electrically wired in their stomachs, they will have body pain, anxiety, it is freakin awful. If you were in precipitated w/d that would explain everything for feeling so badly at first. You sound to me like that is what happened. I usually tell people who let me do their induction that when we are done they will feel better than they've felt since high school. That's the truth too if it's done properly.

Considering all this you may feel some mild symptoms the first couple days doing this taper. Let me know how you're doing in case you need to change anything. Don't think it should be that serious at this point though. God bless.

[tired2]

Alrighty ,so now I know I was not given the correct information from my doctor . Along with a dose of 16mg that is too high. I thought my dose was to low at first till I found this site and started reading what you had to say. I was even actually thinking on going back on hydro's before I started to talk too you .Thank God I didn't .

I'm on day two of reduction to 12mg...doing better at least the nausea is better, body feels like I was hit by a truck .

One thing would the percipitated w/d last a whole month? This is new to me I never heard of it till now.

Well I should tell you I have been on one drug or another for almost 35yrs. also.I know I only said 25yrs. which is when I was a regular for pain meds. and Benzo's. I'm not proud but I need to be honest.

Thank's and God Bless

[Robert_325]

No the precipitated w/d won't last a month. Once we get you feeling okay over the next few days you'll be fine. I do this all the time. People come here bouncing off the walls every week from doing this the wrong way. It doesn't take too long to smooth you out as long as I know what's going on and you don't use any other pills or take more subs without us agreeing on it. Talk later. God bless.

[tired2]

Ok , I'm taking Dranamine for the nausea (none today trying to beat it) now I'm dealing with anxiety/panic attacks (I take .05 Klonopin 4x per day) and some mean muscle pain. Still hangin with the sofa lol.
God Bless

[tired2]

Robert I'm feeling horriable ,today I woke thought it would be better NOT!!! I'm still nausea's , except today I get to have a headache and sweats etc.which is not helping . I'm pretty much planted on the couch moving around makes everything worse.I'm can hardly think to write. I'm on day three of my taper .

I want too call doctor and tell him I feel like ******** and try to get him to change the Suboxone to Subutex.Any suggestions as what to tell him? This is horriable I didn't even feel like this in detox.

I should be detoxed from the pain meds by now ? Is this all from the Suboxone even if I was only on little over a month? Need help I almost rather be on pain meds...don't worry I've gone to far for that.

[Robert_325]

Tell the dr the truth. That's what I told Mindy. Tell the dr you're seeing other people with the exact same problems you're having and the subutex is working. I'm just warning you that lots of these drs are hard heads when it comes to this, they think I am nuts! Maybe I am but I know the subutex doesn't have the side effects of the naloxone. That is a fact! Do some talking man! I think it would help you I just don't know your dr. God bless.

[tired2]

I called the office now I need to get him on the phone. He's like most ask how you are but doesn't really listen. I hope he doesn't make me come in right now...I would not survive getting there or even getting up .
How long will I feel this way ?I can't take this anymore its like a migraine and flu combined.
I'm not a whiner but this is wicked . I have broke down in tears just writting this not sure why.
Had I known this would happen I wouldn't have started it...they don't tell you how addictive it is. I'm still doing the taper from 16mg to 12 mg today being day three .How long to smooth out?
Thnk's

[Robert_325]

I hate that you're feeling like this. I just don't think you should be at a higher dose even though you are having bad symptoms. I really believe you are just like Mindy and need to be on subutex. The symptoms are obvious. You've got to hammer this dr.

I bet if he will RX the subutex you will do a total turnaround within two hours max. I mean that. There is no reason for drs being so hung up on suboxone except for the abuse issue. If I don't shoot dope why do I need naloxone? That is just dumb to make people take something they don't need.

It's really difficult for me to tell you what else to do except to take more and see if that kills some of your symptoms. I don't think lessening your dose greatly would help and surely don't want you to take any other pills. Get on the dr's butt!

[tired2]

I finally got a hold of my doctor who is a total " ******* " and "HARD HEAD" !!!! I'm so mad right now ... I told him about how sick I have been on the Suboxone all that JERK had to said was that I need to take more Suboxone or if I didn't want to do that just go down to half and if I'm still sick then that means I need more (which as you know was 16mg at the time) as far as doc knows .Which means even more than the 16mg. I wanted to reach thru the phone at this point....I'm sure you know what I would have loved too do. I even explained about the Naloxone that when I was on Subutex I felt better and that when I started Suboxone I started getting sick .I also told him I don't need it since I don't plan to shoot up or misuse drugs.

I just want off this drug after the way I have felt the last thing I want is to use.

Well I almost went into beg mode and this point for him to give me Subutex. I had called him three times yesterday . Finally I got a call this morning ( glad I wasn't dieing ) He kept telling me that he is not allowed to do this, Subutex can ony be given in the first stage. So I kept insisting that he at least let me try it for awhile just to see it helps. Then if I feel better maybe I can stay on Subutex . NOPE was the JERKS answer . So I asked again and he then said I can have a whole three days worth WOW !!!!

I have to wait till tonight to get them filled even after I called the office back and they called the doctor who had ok'd it . I still had to leave a message at the office and wait till tonight . I gave it one more ditch effort to get more. So I'm praying he will give me more. My next appointment isn't for three weeks . I should take my husband and see what he has to say like Mindy and hope it works.

Hopefully by that time I have to go back to the doc I won't need these pills. Ok wishfull thinking. I will still need the Jerk till I get off benzo's to. So you say that will be worse ? I might as well stay in bed for the year .

I love it these stupid doctors take a 8hr. course and then they think they know it all and that all patients are stupid. They forget we do know what are bodies need most of the time. All they want is for you to keep coming back and taking your money.Then start you on a pill which has side effects so now you need a pill for that so on and so on..... then your always making appointments ,taking pills (which they get you addicted to and leave you to deal with it on your own). I bet if they had to w/d from something they would understand what it is like going cold turkey.

Sorry didn't mean to get caught up just venting.

I'm praying that he will give me more but not holding my breath.

Well I feel alot better today still some nausea which I hate , hot flashes and muscle aches ... I was scared to lift my head this morning for fear of feeling like yesterday . I felt so bad thank God I'm much better today can't wait till I'm normal. Whatever that is since it's been so long since I felt normal .

Ok back to my taper . I'm still on my tapered dose of 12mg. a day . Well I'm on day 4 taking the same dose . I will let you know when I get the Subutex. Will three days of Subutex do anything ? I sure hope so. What should I do next ? I have a stupid question what happens is I stop the Suboxone completely ? How long would w/d be since I wasn't on so long? Just wondering after the way I was yesterday . Don't worry I won't be doing that. What do people do if they need surgery and are on this drug?

Thank you so much for all your help!!! I'm so glad I found you it means so much to know I have someone I can talk to who understands what I'm going thru.

God Bless

[jdebruhl]

Wow. Thats quite a bit of meds you are taking. I cant comment on any of them besides suboxone. I was addicted to heroin for 8 yrs. I took suboxone for 4 yrs. Ive been clean from both for 2 weeks now. And I feel great. I can tell you. You will have major withdraws from suboxone. I used my vacation time to detox and it was a living hell. I would strongly suggest you not go down that road. Granted, its not as bad as herion w/ds, but damn close. Youll have cold chills, insomnia, pains and flu like symptoms.

Im never one to judge. I stuck needles in my arms for almost a decade. But it sounds like you need a less "script happy" doctor. Like you, I had a doctor that pretty much gave me anything I needed, or wanted. Hes since lost His licence to practise.

I know it seems like it will never end. I can sympathize. Im not out of the woods yet, but Ill be damned if Im going to relapse and go through what I did 2 weeks ago. Surround yourself with all your friends and family and ask them to help you. And please Robert. Never think you cant do it, because you can.


I hope this helped. You can contact me @ jdebruhl2@comcast.net if you need more help. Ill check this thread from time to time as well.

[jdebruhl]

Originally Posted by tired2

I finally got a hold of my doctor who is a total " ******* " and "HARD HEAD" !!!! I'm so mad right now ... I told him about how sick I have been on the Suboxone all that JERK had to said was that I need to take more Suboxone or if I didn't want to do that just go down to half and if I'm still sick then that means I need more (which as you know was 16mg at the time) as far as doc knows .Which means even more than the 16mg. I wanted to reach thru the phone at this point....I'm sure you know what I would have loved too do. I even explained about the Naloxone that when I was on Subutex I felt better and that when I started Suboxone I started getting sick .I also told him I don't need it since I don't plan to shoot up or misuse drugs.

I just want off this drug after the way I have felt the last thing I want is to use.

Well I almost went into beg mode and this point for him to give me Subutex. I had called him three times yesterday . Finally I got a call this morning ( glad I wasn't dieing ) He kept telling me that he is not allowed to do this, Subutex can ony be given in the first stage. So I kept insisting that he at least let me try it for awhile just to see it helps. Then if I feel better maybe I can stay on Subutex . NOPE was the JERKS answer . So I asked again and he then said I can have a whole three days worth WOW !!!!

I have to wait till tonight to get them filled even after I called the office back and they called the doctor who had ok'd it . I still had to leave a message at the office and wait till tonight . I gave it one more ditch effort to get more. So I'm praying he will give me more. My next appointment isn't for three weeks . I should take my husband and see what he has to say like Mindy and hope it works.

Hopefully by that time I have to go back to the doc I won't need these pills. Ok wishfull thinking. I will still need the Jerk till I get off benzo's to. So you say that will be worse ? I might as well stay in bed for the year .

I love it these stupid doctors take a 8hr. course and then they think they know it all and that all patients are stupid. They forget we do know what are bodies need most of the time. All they want is for you to keep coming back and taking your money.Then start you on a pill which has side effects so now you need a pill for that so on and so on..... then your always making appointments ,taking pills (which they get you addicted to and leave you to deal with it on your own). I bet if they had to w/d from something they would understand what it is like going cold turkey.

Sorry didn't mean to get caught up just venting.

I'm praying that he will give me more but not holding my breath.

Well I feel alot better today still some nausea which I hate , hot flashes and muscle aches ... I was scared to lift my head this morning for fear of feeling like yesterday . I felt so bad thank God I'm much better today can't wait till I'm normal. Whatever that is since it's been so long since I felt normal .

Ok back to my taper . I'm still on my tapered dose of 12mg. a day . Well I'm on day 4 taking the same dose . I will let you know when I get the Subutex. Will three days of Subutex do anything ? I sure hope so. What should I do next ? I have a stupid question what happens is I stop the Suboxone completely ? How long would w/d be since I wasn't on so long? Just wondering after the way I was yesterday . Don't worry I won't be doing that. What do people do if they need surgery and are on this drug?

Thank you so much for all your help!!! I'm so glad I found you it means so much to know I have someone I can talk to who understands what I'm going thru.

God Bless

The only difference in the subutex and suboxone is one has a opiate blocker and one doesnt.

[jdebruhl]

the only difference between subutex and suboxone is one has an opiate blocker and one doesnt. Which is why they start you off on subutex, because if you have opiates in your system, you wont get sick.

[jdebruhl]

Originally Posted by tired2

I called the office now I need to get him on the phone. He's like most ask how you are but doesn't really listen. I hope he doesn't make me come in right now...I would not survive getting there or even getting up .
How long will I feel this way ?I can't take this anymore its like a migraine and flu combined.
I'm not a whiner but this is wicked . I have broke down in tears just writting this not sure why.
Had I known this would happen I wouldn't have started it...they don't tell you how addictive it is. I'm still doing the taper from 16mg to 12 mg today being day three .How long to smooth out?
Thnk's

Seriously, youll have to taper till it hits your tongue and instantly dissolves. Thats how I did it. And it still sucked. You should feel normal in about 10 days. They should outlaw suboxone. Much like methadone, it creates another dependency.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by jdebruhl

And please Robert. Never think you cant do it, because you can.


I hope this helped. Ill check this thread from time to time as well.

I appreciate your concern but I did do it. That's why I'm on here. You don't have to go through misery coming off suboxone if you do it properly. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

I finally got a hold of my doctor who is a total " ******* " and "HARD HEAD" !!!! I'm so mad right now ... I told him about how sick I have been on the Suboxone all that JERK had to said was that I need to take more Suboxone or if I didn't want to do that just go down to half and if I'm still sick then that means I need more (which as you know was 16mg at the time) as far as doc knows .Which means even more than the 16mg. I wanted to reach thru the phone at this point....I'm sure you know what I would have loved too do. I even explained about the Naloxone that when I was on Subutex I felt better and that when I started Suboxone I started getting sick .I also told him I don't need it since I don't plan to shoot up or misuse drugs.

I just want off this drug after the way I have felt the last thing I want is to use.

Well I almost went into beg mode and this point for him to give me Subutex. I had called him three times yesterday . Finally I got a call this morning ( glad I wasn't dieing ) He kept telling me that he is not allowed to do this, Subutex can ony be given in the first stage. So I kept insisting that he at least let me try it for awhile just to see it helps. Then if I feel better maybe I can stay on Subutex . NOPE was the JERKS answer . So I asked again and he then said I can have a whole three days worth WOW !!!!

I have to wait till tonight to get them filled even after I called the office back and they called the doctor who had ok'd it . I still had to leave a message at the office and wait till tonight . I gave it one more ditch effort to get more. So I'm praying he will give me more. My next appointment isn't for three weeks . I should take my husband and see what he has to say like Mindy and hope it works.

Hopefully by that time I have to go back to the doc I won't need these pills. Ok wishfull thinking. I will still need the Jerk till I get off benzo's to. So you say that will be worse ? I might as well stay in bed for the year .

I love it these stupid doctors take a 8hr. course and then they think they know it all and that all patients are stupid. They forget we do know what are bodies need most of the time. All they want is for you to keep coming back and taking your money.Then start you on a pill which has side effects so now you need a pill for that so on and so on..... then your always making appointments ,taking pills (which they get you addicted to and leave you to deal with it on your own). I bet if they had to w/d from something they would understand what it is like going cold turkey.

Sorry didn't mean to get caught up just venting.

I'm praying that he will give me more but not holding my breath.

Well I feel alot better today still some nausea which I hate , hot flashes and muscle aches ... I was scared to lift my head this morning for fear of feeling like yesterday . I felt so bad thank God I'm much better today can't wait till I'm normal. Whatever that is since it's been so long since I felt normal .

Ok back to my taper . I'm still on my tapered dose of 12mg. a day . Well I'm on day 4 taking the same dose . I will let you know when I get the Subutex. Will three days of Subutex do anything ? I sure hope so. What should I do next ? I have a stupid question what happens is I stop the Suboxone completely ? How long would w/d be since I wasn't on so long? Just wondering after the way I was yesterday . Don't worry I won't be doing that. What do people do if they need surgery and are on this drug?

Thank you so much for all your help!!! I'm so glad I found you it means so much to know I have someone I can talk to who understands what I'm going thru.

God Bless

That is better news than an absolute NO. At least you're getting three days worth.

If your dr gives you enough subutex so we can do this I can turn you around in less than three days. I would SO love it if you could walk back into the dr's office feeling GREAT after the three days was up and prove you're better. Then he would have to give you more subutex if he doesn't go for it right now.

Let's stay positive and try to do this. Just PLEASE let me know when you are going to pick up your subutex so we can have you do this properly. It's really important you get off on the right foot doing the subutex.

You have to make sure that this works for you this time so it has to be done right. I will look to hear from you later in the day. Let me know when you hear something. Good luck and God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by jdebruhl

Seriously, youll have to taper till it hits your tongue and instantly dissolves. Thats how I did it. And it still sucked. You should feel normal in about 10 days. They should outlaw suboxone. Much like methadone, it creates another dependency.

No way it takes ten days to become stabilized if it's done properly. They won't be outlawing suboxone anytime soon. They will likely eventually require that those drs treating patients with suboxone will need more knowledge. You were obviously treated by someone who didn't know what they were doing. That's too bad. God bless.

[jdebruhl]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

No way it takes ten days to become stabilized if it's done properly. They won't be outlawing suboxone anytime soon. They will likely eventually require that those drs treating patients with suboxone will need more knowledge. You were obviously treated by someone who didn't know what they were doing. That's too bad. God bless.

You may be right. But I do speak from experience. I did 16 mgs for 4 yrs and have been off for 14 days. And it did take about 10 days to feel better. It may be different for different people. But again.....I am speaking from experience. Im not a Doctor...I am an addict.

BTW..My doctor never told me to taper and quit. I did that on my own. He wanted me to stay on it for another year! You can patronize me all you want. But I know what I went through. And from reading your post, sounds like your doc doesnt really know what hes doing either. I wish you luck.

PS...Theres nothing better than being clean. After 8 yrs of needles and 4 yrs of suboxone...Im there. Again...Im only speaking from what I went through.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by jdebruhl

You may be right. But I do speak from experience. I did 16 mgs for 4 yrs and have been off for 14 days. And it did take about 10 days to feel better. It may be different for different people. But again.....I am speaking from experience. Im not a Doctor...I am an addict.

BTW..My doctor never told me to taper and quit. I did that on my own. He wanted me to stay on it for another year! You can patronize me all you want. But I know what I went through. And from reading your post, sounds like your doc doesnt really know what hes doing either. I wish you luck.

PS...Theres nothing better than being clean. After 8 yrs of needles and 4 yrs of suboxone...Im there. Again...Im only speaking from what I went through.

OK ... I won't try to patronize you at all. I've been off subs for some time. I don't come here to seek advice on suboxone.

I am sorry you had a bad experience with suboxone. It's not the medication's fault if the dr doesn't tell you how to use it properly. It's not your fault either.

Not patronizing you dude, just explaining subs work if done right. I've done it and so have LOTS of other people here. Read the threads. God bless.

[tired2]

YEA!!!! Robert my husband is going to get my script...went to our pharmacy but they could get it till tomorrow, however the other pharmacy does have some so they sent the order over there .

I'm feeling so much better today just shaky and weak that I can deal with after what I went thru yesterday.

I'm praying he gave me more after my phone message. I will let you know when they get here.
Thank's and God Bless

[Robert_325]

That's cool! I'm going to a movie in a little while so let me know as soon as he gets back. Also tell me any suboxone if you've taken it today.

We're going to get this right. You take SO MUCH medication. Well it isn't as bad as it used to be but I really would like to see you get the opiates/subs and then the benzos out of your life. It's so difficult to always be exact on things the first time when a person like you or me is taking or has taken so many medications over the years for so long. I have to pull everything I know out of the hat sometimes on those of us who've done this for so long and with so many meds. God bless.

[jdebruhl]

No, no. I think they work. But Im sure I could have done it without. I just didnt have the nerve to try. And I was under the assumption that it didnt come with w/ds. I dont think too many people knew much about it 4yrs ago. But again, I could be wrong. When I say 10 days, it wasnt 10 days of pure hell. But 10 days till I never felt another chill or 'creepy crawly' skin. It got easier everyday. And its NOWHERE near heroin withdraws....holy ********. My wife had to hide my gun when I went through that ********.

Sorry about my post. I thought that you were asking for help on getting clean. I havent been clean for long and was hoping to help others as part of my recovery.

Im glad your doing well. And I commend you on helping others. You certainly dont have to do that. Im finding helping to be therapeutic.

Its funny. I went as far as to get my 'sober date' tattooed on my wrist. So if I ever feel like using I wont. Plus...how embarrassing would it be to say.."What does my tattoo mean?...Uh...Its the day I wanted to start sobriety". Im trivial that way. Peace.

[jdebruhl]

Originally Posted by tired2

YEA!!!! Robert my husband is going to get my script...went to our pharmacy but they could get it till tomorrow, however the other pharmacy does have some so they sent the order over there .

I'm feeling so much better today just shaky and weak that I can deal with after what I went thru yesterday.

I'm praying he gave me more after my phone message. I will let you know when they get here.
Thank's and God Bless

I know Im Johny come lately. But if you feel better today, then why even bother? Tomorrow will be better and so on. It just seems as though youve gone through the worse and now your just going to restart the cycle. I dont know the whole story...just seems a bit strange.

[tired2]

So far I have only taken my morning dose of Suboxone 6mg ,however I haven't taken tonights which it is time to take.
Oh ,the JERK only gave me six.

Ok, you go to the movies and have a great time .You deserve it God Bless

Talk soon

[Robert_325]

jdebruhl .... Because this person has been on suboxone rather than subutex like she should have been and is at way too high of a dose to jump off at. She would pulling her hair out and bouncing off the walls jumping off cold at this dose. You don't do that using suboxone. You have to taper properly if you want a painless detox. That is what I was trying to explain to you.