[Robert_325]

You all are cracking me up with the way you're figuring your dose amount with all the adding, multiplying, dividing! It's NOT hard. You don't have to do all that crazy stuff pretending like you're grocery shopping! Just take your dose ... 3.375mg and multiply it times .75 and that will equal your new dose. You're just reducing it by 25% so that is very simple. Get a $5 pocket calculator from walmart and save yourself some grief. This is SO simple. It works out to a little over over 2.5mg. That is 1/4 of a pill with a little extra cut off another piece. Think what you're doing. It's 3.375 X .75 = 2.53mg. What's hard about that? Round it off to 2.5mg and you're done. Don't make this so difficult.

You're coming off effexor that in itself is making you feel terrible. Subutex has nothing to do with that. It's pretty tough for me to tell you how to lower your subutex dose so you won't feel that and at the same time keep you from feeling the effexor w/d. That is just as bad w/d as the subutex is I promise you, maybe even worse. You should focus on the subutex taper and not try to do everything at once.

Pam ... we've talked about this countless times. We have both used drugs for decades. You aren't going to be able to stop everything at once. You're making this too difficult, you're going to make yourself a nervous wreck over this. What difference does a few more weeks make at this point after using all these years? Just take your time, finish the subutex taper and I will help you with the other meds too. You aren't going anywhere for some time. We're going to be working on getting you off all these meds for a while. Relax, cut yourself some slack! Just do one thing at a time. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Hi Pam
The first time I tried to quit all of my drugs I quit all of them at once
I lasted about two weeks...so I learned the next time I did one at a time.
Robert has a good point...make it easy on yourself...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You all are cracking me up with the way you're figuring your dose amount with all the adding, multiplying, dividing! It's NOT hard. You don't have to do all that crazy stuff pretending like you're grocery shopping! Just take your dose ... 3.375mg and multiply it times .75 and that will equal your new dose. You're just reducing it by 25% so that is very simple. Get a $5 pocket calculator from walmart and save yourself some grief. This is SO simple. It works out to a little over over 2.5mg. That is 1/4 of a pill with a little extra cut off another piece. Think what you're doing. It's 3.375 X .75 = 2.53mg. What's hard about that? Round it off to 2.5mg and you're done. Don't make this so difficult.

You're coming off effexor that in itself is making you feel terrible. Subutex has nothing to do with that. It's pretty tough for me to tell you how to lower your subutex dose so you won't feel that and at the same time keep you from feeling the effexor w/d. That is just as bad w/d as the subutex is I promise you, maybe even worse. You should focus on the subutex taper and not try to do everything at once.

Pam ... we've talked about this countless times. We have both used drugs for decades. You aren't going to be able to stop everything at once. You're making this too difficult, you're going to make yourself a nervous wreck over this. What difference does a few more weeks make at this point after using all these years? Just take your time, finish the subutex taper and I will help you with the other meds too. You aren't going anywhere for some time. We're going to be working on getting you off all these meds for a while. Relax, cut yourself some slack! Just do one thing at a time. God bless.

Hi Robert,
Hope you are doing well..
Thank's for the advice I know you are so right on the fact I have plenty of time . I actually thought the Effexor part should have been over by now since I have been off it for several months ago. I know that wasn't done correctly so it still rears it's ugly head.... everyday at the same time . Thank God I never took the full dose as I was told . Never realized would wants to hang around so long....

Right now I'm just working on the sub taper nothing more . Sorry it's the perfectionist in me I guess when it comes to cutting. Now I will have to figure out some lines I have ...like those little pcs you tell me to remove.
I already have several calculators thank's for the suggestion LOL....what you didn't like the shopping math... You have to admit it did sounds good.
Well I hope I did my last doses correctly pretty sure I did.The Subutex doesn't cut well at two mg ...
I have a question I read about slivers ...how much is a sliver??

Ok I go to 2.5 split it 1.25 twice a day.
How often do you want to here from me....I know you are very busy
Thank's for you help and your patients with me.
God Bless,
Pam

[Robert_325]

Pam ... you can ask melinda about this. I didn't see you post yesterday, just for one day, and I asked her last night if she had seen or heard from you. You don't bother me when you post, I expect the posts. I like to hear that you're doing well but I NEED to hear if you're not!

A sliver with where you're at in your taper is between .25-.5mg. No more than .5mg. As your dose gets smaller the sliver size would also reduce also down to .25mg period. Relax and give yourself a break. But I have to say NO ... I didn't particularly care for the shopping method of determining your dose. I thought that was a little OCD. God bless.

[brndout]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ... you can ask melinda about this. I didn't see you post yesterday, just for one day, and I asked her last night if she had seen or heard from you. You don't bother me when you post, I expect the posts. I like to hear that you're doing well but I NEED to hear if you're not!

A sliver with where you're at in your taper is between .25-.5mg. No more than .5mg. As your dose gets smaller the sliver size would also reduce also down to .25mg period. Relax and give yourself a break. But I have to say NO ... I didn't particularly care for the shopping method of determining your dose. I thought that was a little OCD. God bless.

Hi Robert -This is Linda and I got the feeling that you were scoffing at my shopping analogy .I actually can do it quickly. You should see what I go through dealing with directions ,like North ,South etc. You would be hysterical. I'm doing fine and No , I am not eating my cigs. Linda

[brndout]

Originally Posted by tired2

Thank's Linda that does make since ...I love the way your brain works Now that's something I can relate to....it was my husband that kept telling me about the 3.75 ....what can I say he's a guy I may need your help with later tapers.
Thank's,
Pam

Hi -This is Linda and thanks for posting with your story . Always interesting to hear anothers trials and everyone can learn from it too. I will help in any way I can . Just post or e-mail and I'll try my best with what I did or i'll say I don't freaking know. Just wanted to check with you I noticed in your post today that you said you were on 3.75 remember the shopping analogy shouldn't you be on 3.375 ? Maybe I missed something just didn't want you to slow your taper if your OK to reduce Linda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ... you can ask melinda about this. I didn't see you post yesterday, just for one day, and I asked her last night if she had seen or heard from you. You don't bother me when you post, I expect the posts. I like to hear that you're doing well but I NEED to hear if you're not!

A sliver with where you're at in your taper is between .25-.5mg. No more than .5mg. As your dose gets smaller the sliver size would also reduce also down to .25mg period. Relax and give yourself a break. But I have to say NO ... I didn't particularly care for the shopping method of determining your dose. I thought that was a little OCD. God bless.

Ok Robert I'll let you slide on missing my post so then I will continue bugging you good or bad .....I'm not even going to worry about slivers right now b/c I can do this.
I'm doing good except I still can hardly move my thumb and wrist the pain is a B***h and getting worse even after a week ....I'm giving it another week then going to see my ortho praying it's nothing serious. I've done every thing nothing works...I can't even get the stupid ice cream out .

You just didn't like Linda's shopping idea b/c it's a chick thing

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
The first time I tried to quit all of my drugs I quit all of them at once
I lasted about two weeks...so I learned the next time I did one at a time.
Robert has a good point...make it easy on yourself...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Hey Melinda I think some wires got crossed ...the stuff I quit was several months ago ....

I'm only doing the sub taper right now.

When I did the Dalmane I didn't even think about it b/c I ran out that was around Oct.

The Efflxor that was a diffr story I went off to fast just got impatient and stopped but, it's been awhile.
I researched it and found out that you can get hit with symtoms months later... which I think is what is happening .

However I also take Requip 1mg and found out last night that it can make you nausea's and it also has w/d symtoms . Boy I got so P****d last night that if I could have found a doctor I would have choked him. So that will be another one to work off on later not now.

Boy I'll tell you when I go back to my P/M doctor which I wasn't going to do but I have a bone to pick with him.
I plan to let loose on him first ....he doesn't know that I'm doing subs so I want to see what he say's when I tell him I want off his pills ....so help me if he tells me to just stop that's when I will give him a lesson about w/d etc...

Sorry Melinda I just needed to vent a little.
Thank's for listening ...Wow I feel better now.
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Hi Pam
you can vent any time you want...I glad there was a mix up and you not trying to quit them all at once...that is hard...
You will have to tell me what your doctor says when you tell him your off all your pain pills...
Hope your having a good night...
I dont have to work tomorrow...so Im a happy girl...LOL
Talk to you later, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by brndout

Hi -This is Linda and thanks for posting with your story . Always interesting to hear anothers trials and everyone can learn from it too. I will help in any way I can . Just post or e-mail and I'll try my best with what I did or i'll say I don't freaking know. Just wanted to check with you I noticed in your post today that you said you were on 3.75 remember the shopping analogy shouldn't you be on 3.375 ? Maybe I missed something just didn't want you to slow your taper if your OK to reduce Linda

Hey Linda thank's for helping you will be hearing from me ...I' pretty sure I did it correct it was my husband that was wigged out about the 3.375. I just did my thing . I took 2mg and made 4 lines took three and divided my 4th into 4 piles took two left the 2 remainding piles.

I don't think I screwed up but at least it was less than 4mg total. I never even thought about rounding up have no clue as to what the H**l I was thinking.

I agree we all learn from each other....I've been thru alot so if anything I say can help another person that's great.
Thank's a bunch talk soon,
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
you can vent any time you want...I glad there was a mix up and you not trying to quit them all at once...that is hard...
You will have to tell me what your doctor says when you tell him your off all your pain pills...
Hope your having a good night...
I dont have to work tomorrow...so Im a happy girl...LOL
Talk to you later, Melinda

Hi Melinda
That's great now we are on the same page Tapering Subs only...
I promise to let you know what the doctor says...when I tell him..
My night is good got to vent and now just watching tv....
I bet you are a happy little camper ..no work...how's your weather up there?Have a great day off.....
I need to go visit my mom up there soon ....just not sure when yet
Talk later,
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by brndout

Hi Robert -This is Linda and I got the feeling that you were scoffing at my shopping analogy .I actually can do it quickly. You should see what I go through dealing with directions ,like North ,South etc. You would be hysterical. I'm doing fine and No , I am not eating my cigs. Linda

Linda .... you know that I was only poking fun at you. This place is so freakin serious all the time that sometimes we have to joke around a little so we don't get a headache. And I just hate cigarettes. When you mentioned a 1 1/2 packs in a night I had to comment. I couldn't see how anyone could smoke that many in a single evening. I was obviously never a big smoker.

You understand I'm sure that most all guys do very poorly following instructions and the ladies do poorly with directions like north, south, east and west. It's the way we're all made I think. You're just one of the girls.

I still can't follow your shopping analogy though. It totally confuses me. I do better with simple multiplication. But hey, whatever works is okay with me. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Pam .... melinda is always telling me it's a "chick thing" so I guess that is what it is. I surely don't claim to know how the female brain works. I only give suggestions on stopping drugs, not analyzing women. That's out of my league. Talk tomorrow. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam .... melinda is always telling me it's a "chick thing" so I guess that is what it is. I surely don't claim to know how the female brain works. I only give suggestions on stopping drugs, not analyzing women. That's out of my league. Talk tomorrow. God bless.

Well Robert that's alright if you don't know how the female brain works ....I'll by that excuse that's why it's a "chick thing" ....we need your help getting off drugs more than tring to analyze women

You know that I'm only tapering from Sub's right now.

I'm also taking Klonopin .05 4x a day which you know and will be my next taper later.....
My question is that I normally have symtoms prior to the next dose ...lately I have not had symtoms like today I didn't even realize I missed my doses till seven . This has happened more than once ....will this cause problems down the line or can I just take as needed?
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Pam .... you absolutely need to take your medication as I've asked you to at the designated times. If you wait until you need it you'll be going in and out of w/d on a regular basis. If that's the way you've been taking it then that's why you feel badly at times. ALWAYS take your dose when you're supposed to. God bless.

[brndout]

Originally Posted by tired2

Well Robert that's alright if you don't know how the female brain works ....I'll by that excuse that's why it's a "chick thing" ....we need your help getting off drugs more than tring to analyze women

You know that I'm only tapering from Sub's right now.

I'm also taking Klonopin .05 4x a day which you know and will be my next taper later.....
My question is that I normally have symtoms prior to the next dose ...lately I have not had symtoms like today I didn't even realize I missed my doses till seven . This has happened more than once ....will this cause problems down the line or can I just take as needed?
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Hi -this is Linda and NO don't take on as needed basis , from what i understood they need to be taken as scheduled re... of your lack of symptoms . Remember that long half lifrthe schedule as close as you can a

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam .... you absolutely need to take your medication as I've asked you to at the designated times. If you wait until you need it you'll be going in and out of w/d on a regular basis. If that's the way you've been taking it then that's why you feel badly at times. ALWAYS take your dose when you're supposed to. God bless.

Robert I do take all 4 pills per day everyday.... it's just yesterday was the first time I didn't even think about it and realized at 7pm that I missed two pills so I just took that one and then my normal one when I went to bed ....normally I would have just taken both but figured if I didn't need it why take it ...since we are going to be tapering me off later.

However, I do not take them on a strict every 6hrs schedule as I should otherwise I'd have to get up during the night and if I'm asleep I'm not doing that so I take them through the course of the day ....which at times I need sooner than others . I take my dose every morning which varies and is also the longest gap between pills (around 8-10 hrs)and always when I go to bed. During the day it's on as needed sometimes but always get all 4 pills in.

I'm really bad with taking pills every so many hours when I'm busy .....Alrighty I can't believe that I'm saying that I guess it's when I need it I go for it...but if I'm out some place and realize I do not have my pills I will go into panic mode.

Well I need to lay down since I feel like throwing up
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by brndout

Hi -this is Linda and NO don't take on as needed basis , from what i understood they need to be taken as scheduled re... of your lack of symptoms . Remember that long half lifrthe schedule as close as you can a

Hi Linda.... I guess I need to start taking every six hrs... yesterday was the only day I missed a pill ...I feel like throwing up so I need to lay down ...talk soon about cutting.
Pam

[tired2]

Hey Melinda hope you are having a great day since you don't have to work today. Hows the weather up there?
Have fun and take care talk soon.
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hey Melinda hope you are having a great day since you don't have to work today. Hows the weather up there?
Have fun and take care talk soon.
Pam

Hi Pam
OHHH YESSSS...LOL..Im having a great day...It's 10:30 here and I just took a shower....I have been cleaning and sitting on here all morning and drinking my coffee...I wanted to go for my run but its raining and it's windy...so I have to wait for the sun t come out...

I was listening in on your thread about forgetting your med's...I think we are around the same age...and oh my do I forget things.LOL.I leave myself notes I look on my schedule every morning to see what I have to do.
so try leaving a note for yourself.
Im not the sub person,But do you take your pills 4 times a day did I read that right...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Pam ... I have NEVER said to take meds four times each day. In fact I tell EVERYONE to do it ONLY twice. Four doses is totally unnecessary and it's keeping you acting out an addictive behavior. There is no valid reason for taking subs four times each day. Subs have a very long half life and you should NOT be taking it four times per day. You're spending half your waking hours taking pills with four doses. You need to stop that and take it in two doses ONLY. I'm very serious about that. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ... I have NEVER said to take meds four times each day. In fact I tell EVERYONE to do it ONLY twice. Four doses is totally unnecessary and it's keeping you acting out an addictive behavior. There is no valid reason for taking subs four times each day. Subs have a very long half life and you should NOT be taking it four times per day. You're spending half your waking hours taking pills with four doses. You need to stop that and take it in two doses ONLY. I'm very serious about that. God bless.

Hey Robert You are working to hard I'm not taking my Sub 4x a day... I only take it twice it was the Klonopin I was talking about ...I think you have been reading to many post No need to worry on the subs.

Thank's Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
OHHH YESSSS...LOL..Im having a great day...It's 10:30 here and I just took a shower....I have been cleaning and sitting on here all morning and drinking my coffee...I wanted to go for my run but its raining and it's windy...so I have to wait for the sun t come out...

I was listening in on your thread about forgetting your med's...I think we are around the same age...and oh my do I forget things.LOL.I leave myself notes I look on my schedule every morning to see what I have to do.
so try leaving a note for yourself.
Im not the sub person,But do you take your pills 4 times a day did I read that right...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Sorry you have rain but you get a lot up there don't you? We will be getting that rain later this week . Always get your weather a few days later .I would love to run just can't today. Glad you are enjoying...I'd would want to skip the cleaning part

I think our poor Robert has gotten confused ...he think's I'm doing sub 4x a day which I only take it twice a day from his last post.
I got the mix up straighted out with you so now I need to get Robert on the same page .

I was talking about the Klonopin 4x a day ...he must think I'm crazy by now.
I do take 4 a day except yesterday but I do not take them every six hrs sorta as needed like at 4hrs etc...

The problem is that I have taken them all last on being before bed...
I don't want to wake up just to take a pill so I go about 8-10 hrs without a pill and take the first in the morning.

Well hope you get that run you want your not going to let a little wind and rain stop you ....so your as wimpy as me with that one
Talk soon,
Pam

[tired2]

Well Melinda I'm so proud of myself I actually ran at least a mile today...after talking to you about running I got motivated.

I haven't got Robert straightened out yet as I explained on my last post
Pam

[Robert_325]

Good for you Pam. I'm proud of you for running. Don't worry, lots of people have tried to straighten me out and no one has succeeded yet. So it isn't you, it's me. I don't straighten to easily. I'm too old and too set in my ways. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Good for you Pam. I'm proud of you for running. Don't worry, lots of people have tried to straighten me out and no one has succeeded yet. So it isn't you, it's me. I don't straighten to easily. I'm too old and too set in my ways. God bless.

Thank's I'll pay for that run but it still felt good ...Melinda will be happy hope she got her run in too.

So did you reread my post ...you thought I was taking my subs 4 x a day ....I only take Subs twice a day.

It's the Klonopin we were discussing that's the one that is 4x a day .
So I need to take every six hrs.

I take them all thru the day last one at bedtime....then first thing in the morning this might be were my problem starts since I go 8-10 before I take another pill , I don't want to wake up during the night to take a pill.

Hey watch how you use the words too old I'm not that far behind

Alright on the 2.5 I know 2mg but the .5 is that 1/2 of 1mg and yes I'm thinking thats the part that throws me....I get the 25% part now.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Well Melinda I'm so proud of myself I actually ran at least a mile today...after talking to you about running I got motivated.

I haven't got Robert straightened out yet as I explained on my last post
Pam

Hi Pam
It really does feel good to go for a run I just love the way I feel after.
I'm proud of you..

But Robert doesn't need straitened out I like him just the way he is...
They just don't get any better than him...
I know you were just kidding tho...

Hope you have a good night
Talk to you later, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
It really does feel good to go for a run I just love the way I feel after.
I'm proud of you..

But Robert doesn't need straitened out I like him just the way he is...
They just don't get any better than him...
I know you were just kidding tho...

Hope you have a good night
Talk to you later, Melinda

It did feel good...did you get your run in

I didn't mean straighting Robert as far as him personnally he's a great person.I hope he didn't take it wrong....I would never make a comment like that about him ...

I meant straighten him out about what I was talking about he got the wires crossed about my post...he thought I was taking my subs 4x a day ...I take them twice .
I was talking about the Klonopin dose 4X a day
Talk later
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

It did feel good...did you get your run in

I didn't mean straighting Robert as far as him personnally he's a great person.I hope he didn't take it wrong....I would never make a comment like that about him ...

I meant straighten him out about what I was talking about he got the wires crossed about my post...he thought I was taking my subs 4x a day ...I take them twice .
I was talking about the Klonopin dose 4X a day
Talk later
Pam

Hi Pam
It was so rainy and windy here I kept looking out the window for a clearing but no such luck...so I just did mt 8 min abs....I needed it...LOL
I'm going to try in the morning for my run...
Talk to you later, Melinda

[brndout]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Linda .... you know that I was only poking fun at you. This place is so freakin serious all the time that sometimes we have to joke around a little so we don't get a headache. And I just hate cigarettes. When you mentioned a 1 1/2 packs in a night I had to comment. I couldn't see how anyone could smoke that many in a single evening. I was obviously never a big smoker.

You understand I'm sure that most all guys do very poorly following instructions and the ladies do poorly with directions like north, south, east and west. It's the way we're all made I think. You're just one of the girls.

I still can't follow your shopping analogy though. It totally confuses me. I do better with simple multiplication. But hey, whatever works is okay with me. God bless.

Hi Robert-yes I know you were teasing and your right this place does get a bit heavy-I think a bit of light heartedness can be very good . You forget when your activly addicted as all energy is spent on fueling it , that life did not used to be like that . Not having to be consumed by the frantic need to make sure I had my next dose sure frees up time , reduces anxiety , and definatly makes life more enjoyable. So tease all you want although I have to defend my shopping analogy as it makes perfect sense to me and one other person on the forum . I have a bunch of them and that one was the least complicated . We are doing well and our thanks go out to you again. Hey- I have noticed that there are alot of people on the forum are done or almost done with tapers or c/t. Way to go Robert and all involved .Sure glad I stayed here and not at Med Help. Talk to you guys soon Linda