[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Zomig is not over the counter. It's a RX med for migraines. And it works!
I don't know what to say about the crying. I never had too much trouble with crying, just relapsing.

I don't think it's easier to deox off subutex unless you're having reactions to the naloxone like you were. Then it would affect you obviously.

The drs get their suggestions for using subs from the drug co reps. That's why they're screwed up. The salespeople are trying to make money, that's all. Think about it logically. On our taper plan here I just use what works for each person as they progress.

If you are comfortable with how you feel and you're ready to reduce again then you should go to 6mg, taking 3mg twice daily. Let me know how it goes. God bless.

Hey Robert...I tapered today so I took 3mg this morning ....cutting the Subutex isn't easy they like to crumble more than the suboxone.When I cut the 2mg to 1mg it turned into crumbs ....I know its not rocket science so
guess I will waste a few as the doses get lower...really hate that part. I have a full 60 plus of Suboxone which I have no use for ....I wish I could give them to some one that can't afford them but already has a script and can't afford to fill it.

Should have kept that scale from back in the day LOL

I will ask the doctor for Zomig on my next visit.

Wierd thing happened today I was on Google and ended up on someones thread with all their post . Actually there were a couple so FYI hope everyone is very discreet on what they sign in with etc...

Well I will leave you to doing your thing you do best....helping others

Talk soon and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hey Robert...I tapered today so I took 3mg this morning ....cutting the Subutex isn't easy they like to crumble more than the suboxone.When I cut the 2mg to 1mg it turned into crumbs ....I know its not rocket science so
guess I will waste a few as the doses get lower...really hate that part. I have a full 60 plus of Suboxone which I have no use for ....I wish I could give them to some one that can't afford them but already has a script and can't afford to fill it.

Should have kept that scale from back in the day LOL

I will ask the doctor for Zomig on my next visit.

Wierd thing happened today I was on Google and ended up on someones thread with all their post . Actually there were a couple so FYI hope everyone is very discreet on what they sign in with etc...

Well I will leave you to doing your thing you do best....helping others

Talk soon and God Bless
Pam

Pam ... try slicing the subutex gently with a single-edged razor. That usually works pretty good at 1mg doses. If you cut a 2mg piece and it does crumble just go ahead and crush the whole 2mg and divide the pile in two. Each will be 1mg. Crease a piece of paper and pour it under your tongue. That way you don't have to "waste" anything. That was a suggestion I picked up from one of the guys here on the forum. I had never thought about doing that myself, it makes sense though. I know what you mean about the old scales. I haven't had a scale in many years.

Anytime a person posts on any type of forum it's pretty easily accessed on the internet. It's done very innocently when you type a question into google or do other searches. That is what the searches do. Hence the reason for screen names and what not. I ALWAYS suggest that NO ONE places an email address, a phone number, not anything personal such as that on a forum. We need to be careful with the net.

Good luck with the zomig. It's the best headache medication I've ever used for sure. Used it a long time. Good luck and God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Melinda,
Thank's for the info it helps and makes sense ....I will use all the information you gave me . I know it will still take a little time but I will try . I'm definatly interested about the books .

It's wierd it's like I want to go to the gym but I feel like everyone is watching me... really STUPID .Yet I know that once I walk in all the bad feelings go away ....It's not like I've never been there but, now I will be going to a new gym so I'm in panic mode. I even have a hard time just going to the grocery store or getting gas so I get my husband to go.

I use to always run around to the stores,gym ,get gas etc...never a problem .When I think back my attacks began at my last job .
When I was working I would freak just knowing I had to go to work (the job was stressfull which didn't help) but once I got there I was alright . I would just stay in my little area ....I'd even eat at my desk for fear being around people (corporate office lot of to faced people). I would force myself to get coffee but hurry back to my desk. I guess you can call it my safe place. Then I would have to take test for my job ....that would throw me into anxiety and panic attack .I hate test ....it's like I know the answers but you say test and I say what's my name

The attacks got worse when I stopped working b/c I didn't want to go out . I even had to make myself walk the dog but once I did it I was ok.
Well I'm sorry for going rambling on..I'm interested in the books....

Thank's Melinda
Pam

Hi Pam
It sounds like you have a nice husband...That makes me smile he gets your gas and goes to the store for you...Love that...

The first time I came down with panic disorder,I could not leave my house.
So after I found out what was wrong with me...and I read all my books...
I would do baby steps. the first day I would open the door the next day I would step outside ect...
If you don't know what is going on your mind can really do a # on you...
If your under stress for any amount of time anyone can have panic attacks.
The mind gets worked up and it sends signals to the other parts of the body.It's called the fight or flight response...

Any time you want to talk about this I really do love to talk about panic disorder....I really got good at it...
Here are three books that I would recommend first.

# 1 Claire Weeks
hope and help for your nerves...
She was the founder in self help for panic attacks any one that has books out now has stolen some of her stuff...

#2 Susan jeffers PHD
feel the fear and do it anyway

#3 Reid Wilson
DON'T PANIC

All three of them are very helpful each has it's own ways of helping...but the more tricks you learn the faster the panic attacks go away...

One of my favorite thing to tell my brain is this panic attack will not stop me from doing anything I want to do.
so if I was scared to do something I would do it over and over till I wasn't scared any more...
you can get the books on line ...like amazon or e-bay half. com...
keep me posted on how your doing...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
It sounds like you have a nice husband...That makes me smile he gets your gas and goes to the store for you...Love that...

The first time I came down with panic disorder,I could not leave my house.
So after I found out what was wrong with me...and I read all my books...
I would do baby steps. the first day I would open the door the next day I would step outside ect...
If you don't know what is going on your mind can really do a # on you...
If your under stress for any amount of time anyone can have panic attacks.
The mind gets worked up and it sends signals to the other parts of the body.It's called the fight or flight response...

Any time you want to talk about this I really do love to talk about panic disorder....I really got good at it...
Here are three books that I would recommend first.

# 1 Claire Weeks
hope and help for your nerves...
She was the founder in self help for panic attacks any one that has books out now has stolen some of her stuff...

#2 Susan jeffers PHD
feel the fear and do it anyway

#3 Reid Wilson
DON'T PANIC

All three of them are very helpful each has it's own ways of helping...but the more tricks you learn the faster the panic attacks go away...

One of my favorite thing to tell my brain is this panic attack will not stop me from doing anything I want to do.
so if I was scared to do something I would do it over and over till I wasn't scared any more...
you can get the books on line ...like amazon or e-bay half. com...
keep me posted on how your doing...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Hi Melinda,
I do have a nice husband....I also trained him well .It's really a miracle that he is still here...he has put up with so much of my mood changes etc...
Thanks so much for all the info...I will order the books.

I totally understand the part of not leaving the house .My one daughter use to make comments when I told her about a girl I worked with who had extreme case of panic attacks. She moved back home with her parents and was married .She would not even go out the door and would freak out totally if she did. She couldn't even just get in a car or go to to her own house.

So I was never able to get any support ....mostly people really do not understand that it is a true problem. Well at least I now I can talk to someone.

Thank's Melinda and yes I would like to talk to you more about it.
Pam

[tired2]

Hi Robert...hope all is well . Alright I'm on 6mg so far everything is well ...I'm getting things done. I actually was painting yesterday and my 4yr old grandson came over and hung out for most of the day....That is something I couldn't handle when I was on the pain meds ...this time I actually enjoyed having him here . I'm slowly getting my life back thank's to you and Melinda along with the others from this site.

I still have anxiety and panic issues but I'm pushing thru ....I have a goal which is to kick all the drugs .I have my emotional moments ...I leave those to Melinda since you don't handle the crying part (nothing personnel Robert just giving you a hard time) it's a chick thing I guess .

Thank's for the advice about crushing the pill ....I actually was thinking on doing that... So when should I taper next and how much ?

I have a question if were listening to the doc. which I'm not...he told me that when I was on the last month I would be on 2mg for a month then no more Subutex....wouldn't that cause w/ds ? I even asked him and he said no w/d I have read so many post which is the total opposite .

Would it be better to start a new thread since this one has gotten pretty long ?

Well I will stop rambling on .....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Robert...hope all is well . Alright I'm on 6mg so far everything is well ...I'm getting things done. I actually was painting yesterday and my 4yr old grandson came over and hung out for most of the day....That is something I couldn't handle when I was on the pain meds ...this time I actually enjoyed having him here . I'm slowly getting my life back thank's to you and Melinda along with the others from this site.

I still have anxiety and panic issues but I'm pushing thru ....I have a goal which is to kick all the drugs .I have my emotional moments ...I leave those to Melinda since you don't handle the crying part (nothing personnel Robert just giving you a hard time) it's a chick thing I guess .

Thank's for the advice about crushing the pill ....I actually was thinking on doing that... So when should I taper next and how much ?

I have a question if were listening to the doc. which I'm not...he told me that when I was on the last month I would be on 2mg for a month then no more Subutex....wouldn't that cause w/ds ? I even asked him and he said no w/d I have read so many post which is the total opposite .

Would it be better to start a new thread since this one has gotten pretty long ?

Well I will stop rambling on .....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Pam,

I'm another person's computer as mine is down. I will only be on a short time today.

You should reduce again by 25% of the dose ... same as always. Drop to 4.5mg after four days at 6mg unless it makes you feel better to go a couple extra days before reducing again. Always drop by 25%.

NO you don't want to jump off at 2mg. That's why we do the skipping days AFTER you get down to .5mg. With the way you've felt tapering my way if you jump off abruptly at 2mg you'll feel awful. Anyone who tells you to jump off at 2mg is an idiot. Will talk again soon. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam,

I'm another person's computer as mine is down. I will only be on a short time today.

You should reduce again by 25% of the dose ... same as always. Drop to 4.5mg after four days at 6mg unless it makes you feel better to go a couple extra days before reducing again. Always drop by 25%.

NO you don't want to jump off at 2mg. That's why we do the skipping days AFTER you get down to .5mg. With the way you've felt tapering my way if you jump off abruptly at 2mg you'll feel awful. Anyone who tells you to jump off at 2mg is an idiot. Will talk again soon. God bless.

Ok Robert not sure if you are still on so I will cut 2mg and 1/2 of 1mg twice a day ? Sorry I forgot to tell you I suck at math
Sorry about your computer...

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Ok Robert not sure if you are still on so I will cut 2mg and 1/2 of 1mg twice a day ? Sorry I forgot to tell you I suck at math
Sorry about your computer...

You're trying to get to a total of 4.5mg. So that is just a tad over 1/2 of a 8mg pill. As long as you have just a little over a half pill you can break it up in two doses however it works best for you. You'll do fine, just think about what you're doing. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You're trying to get to a total of 4.5mg. So that is just a tad over 1/2 of a 8mg pill. As long as you have just a little over a half pill you can break it up in two doses however it works best for you. You'll do fine, just think about what you're doing. God bless.

Hi Robert,
Well had a rough morning with dog and shaky since I had not taken my Klonopin ....Well I went to taper today to 4.5 but got .Ok I cut 4mg into 2mg and one of the 2mg crumbed ...so I smashed made 4 lines then came the oops part . I took one of the 4 lines, which I should have cut the line in 1/2 for the .25 . So this morning I actually took 2.5 .....so can I just take 2mg tonight to get the 4.5 today?
I have it down now ....I know I should have listened during math...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Hi Melinda
Hope you are well....I got your post on tiff's sight...good one .....

Well I have tapered to 4.5 as of yesterday . So far all is seems well sl. headache but I think it's more from this crazy weather hot ,cold and rainy. Sorta like you weather up there .
I'm going to order one of the books to start with...I will need to make time to read . Which is the best to start with..

Is Roberts computer still down ? I sent him a message but never heard back guess he thought my question wasn't worth a reply ...just kidding I know he is busy ...I just corrected the dose in the evening one.

Should I start a new thread since this on is getting pretty long ...
I would like to change my smilie on the thread can I or do I have to start a new thread..

One more stupid question if I want to post to you do I have to click on a prior post in my thread which you had already sent a message or is there another way.....told you it was stupid but hey can't hurt to ask you. I don't want to bother Robert with it ...
Talk soon!
Thank's,
Pam

[Robert_325]

Pam .... I was away from the forum last night for a while. Even I take a few hours off away from here occasionally. I go to church during the week as well as Sunday and also do Bible study. I require some time to help me with my own spiritual growth just as I suggest here for others. Everyone's questions are important to me, but I need a couple hours for myself occasionally too.

If you are at 4.5 mg you don't have to split the two doses exactly equal. If you take 2.5mg and then take 2 mg that is plenty close, it still totals 4.5mg. As long as the end result is the same and your doses are pretty close to being equal take it the way that is most convenient for you.

There is NO reason to start a new thread. It's easier for me to follow along if a person stays on one thread for our conversations. And you don't have to click on a previous post to reply. Just click on the POST REPLY button at the bottom of the thread where you're posting. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam .... I was away from the forum last night for a while. Even I take a few hours off away from here occasionally. I go to church during the week as well as Sunday and also do Bible study. I require some time to help me with my own spiritual growth just as I suggest here for others. Everyone's questions are important to me, but I need a couple hours for myself occasionally too.

If you are at 4.5 mg you don't have to split the two doses exactly equal. If you take 2.5mg and then take 2 mg that is plenty close, it still totals 4.5mg. As long as the end result is the same and your doses are pretty close to being equal take it the way that is most convenient for you.

There is NO reason to start a new thread. It's easier for me to follow along if a person stays on one thread for our conversations. And you don't have to click on a previous post to reply. Just click on the POST REPLY button at the bottom of the thread where you're posting. God bless.

Hi Robert,
I'm sorry I wasn't complaining I understand you have a life also ...I think it's great that you help so many people ....very few people would do what you do .....I'm understanding more about the spiritual side of recovery and life . I'm so glad I found you ....I actually believe God lead me to you .You have been so supportive to me and everyone else you are helping .

I did just take the 2mg last night ....since I took 2.5 in the morning . Ok I know it's not rocket science ...just kidding.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Hope all is well Robert ...
I have a lot for you to chew on...I know a lot of stuff ...not including my prior rehab which you already know about.

I never mentioned this or thought about till now . I have suffered nausea on and off prior to my tapering . Well here it goes I was taking Dalmane 30mg but stopped in rehab ...then last Sept. I had a script so I started taking them again till I ran out. I ran out stopping cold .

I was also on Seroquil (not sure on spelling) I took them for about 7 months last year also stopped cold.

I was also on Effexor XR...the doctor wanted me to take 150mg but I only took 75mg a day probably more regular basis last Oct. but then I read it was hard to get off so I got the doctor to give me a diff. dose 37.5mg was the lowest . Took for maybe a month or two. Then said screw this so I stopped cold then got sick started back on ....well then I started skipping days . I started every other day for about week ,then every two days for little less than a week ,when I got to skipping every three days I skipped 1x took another then just stopped totally . Boy I had mood swings like you would not believe ....one min I was great then I'd flip out for know reason. I would also get restless mostly in the evening which really pissed me off (even the Requip 1mg didn't help) That's when I'd take extra Klonopin and pain pills till it stopped .I never really know how I would feel from day to day.

After I stopped all the above I was still taking the Ambien CR 12.5 for over 4 yrs. maybe longer but they didn't work I'd wake in the middle of the nite .I then stopped them cold back in Jan.

Yes I was on all the above at the same time along with pain meds and Klonopin

I later read that if you do not taper correctly that you can get symtoms months later ?
Could this be causing my ups and downs of nausea ? It' mostly in the morning.

I'm still on the Requip 1mg for restless legs is that addictive ? I hope not...since my next taper after the Subutex will be the Klonopin.

I'm still on 4.5 doing well on day three some muscle aches worse at night. When I'm ready what dose should I taper to next

Sorry for all the questions...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Melinda
Hope you are well....I got your post on tiff's sight...good one .....

Well I have tapered to 4.5 as of yesterday . So far all is seems well sl. headache but I think it's more from this crazy weather hot ,cold and rainy. Sorta like you weather up there .
I'm going to order one of the books to start with...I will need to make time to read . Which is the best to start with..

Is Roberts computer still down ? I sent him a message but never heard back guess he thought my question wasn't worth a reply ...just kidding I know he is busy ...I just corrected the dose in the evening one.

Should I start a new thread since this on is getting pretty long ...
I would like to change my smilie on the thread can I or do I have to start a new thread..

One more stupid question if I want to post to you do I have to click on a prior post in my thread which you had already sent a message or is there another way.....told you it was stupid but hey can't hurt to ask you. I don't want to bother Robert with it ...
Talk soon!
Thank's,
Pam

Hi Pam ...sorry I didn't see this yesterday...I was out playing (working) in the yard.
If you are having serious panic attacks...I would get don't panic...I got mine used on line for like 99 cents.I think it was on amazon..so don't but it new,they get really expensive...I liked to get them on CD so I can listen to them in the car or when I'm working...I never get time to read...and then I fall asleep if I try to...LOL...

Robert got back on line that night I wrote the other post...LOL so I'm sure he heard me talking about him...LOL.A girl can't get away with anything...LOL...

I would keep this thread going it,s like Roberts medical files...it makes it easer for him to keep track of everyone.

If your talking to me just say Melinda...I normally look at all the threads,but sometimes one will slip by me..

How are you doing lately...Is life being good to you...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam ...sorry I didn't see this yesterday...I was out playing (working) in the yard.
If you are having serious panic attacks...I would get don't panic...I got mine used on line for like 99 cents.I think it was on amazon..so don't but it new,they get really expensive...I liked to get them on CD so I can listen to them in the car or when I'm working...I never get time to read...and then I fall asleep if I try to...LOL...

Robert got back on line that night I wrote the other post...LOL so I'm sure he heard me talking about him...LOL.A girl can't get away with anything...LOL...

I would keep this thread going it,s like Roberts medical files...it makes it easer for him to keep track of everyone.

If your talking to me just say Melinda...I normally look at all the threads,but sometimes one will slip by me..

How are you doing lately...Is life being good to you...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Hi Melinda,
I'm sure he heard you talking... LOL .Why do you think I was behaving ...LOL
I don't think anything gets past Robert .... I mean that in a good way Robert I know you are listening in LOL
All is well .... I got on the the elliptical yesterday for 15 min. talk about breaking a sweat....It was good got those endorpins going....even lifted weight at home today boy those endorpins should be real happy or shocked
I did something to my thumb hurts like h*** even up my hand ..that's what I get for all that painting ...giving it a rest not helping yet wierd...OH well that's the least of my worries at this time. I now reach for a mortrin instead of a pain pill .
I will see if I can get a used book also following your suggestions... I will let you know when I get my butt to the gym.

I've tapered to 4.5 tomorrow will be day 4 .
I sent a message to Robert earlier today but haven't heard back yet...
Talk soon,
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Melinda,
I'm sure he heard you talking... LOL .Why do you think I was behaving ...LOL
I don't think anything gets past Robert .... I mean that in a good way Robert I know you are listening in LOL
All is well .... I got on the the elliptical yesterday for 15 min. talk about breaking a sweat....It was good got those endorpins going....even lifted weight at home today boy those endorpins should be real happy or shocked
I did something to my thumb hurts like h*** even up my hand ..that's what I get for all that painting ...giving it a rest not helping yet wierd...OH well that's the least of my worries at this time. I now reach for a mortrin instead of a pain pill .
I will see if I can get a used book also following your suggestions... I will let you know when I get my butt to the gym.

I've tapered to 4.5 tomorrow will be day 4 .
I sent a message to Robert but haven't heard back yet...
Talk soon,
Pam

Hi Pam
If you did 15 minutes on the elliptical you did GOOD...my daughter has one but that thing kicks my but...I can run for ever,but I get on that thing and I feel like I will never make my mile...

I use Advil now I always have a big bottle in my purse.but if that's all i take it's ok..I can handle 10.00 dollars a week for them...

I'm sure Robert will see your post soon,
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hope all is well Robert ...
I have a lot for you to chew on...I know a lot of stuff ...not including my prior rehab which you already know about.

I never mentioned this or thought about till now. I have suffered nausea on and off prior to my tapering . Well here it goes I was taking Dalmane 30mg but stopped in rehab ...then last Sept. I had a script so I started taking them again till I ran out. I ran out stopping cold .

I was also on Seroquil (not sure on spelling) I took them for about 7 months last year also stopped cold.

I was also on Effexor XR...the doctor wanted me to take 150mg but I only took 75mg a day probably more regular basis last Oct. but then I read it was hard to get off so I got the doctor to give me a diff. dose 37.5mg was the lowest . Took for maybe a month or two. Then said screw this so I stopped cold then got sick started back on ....well then I started skipping days . I started every other day for about week ,then every two days for little less than a week ,when I got to skipping every three days I skipped 1x took another then just stopped totally . Boy I had mood swings like you would not believe ....one min I was great then I'd flip out for know reason. I would also get restless mostly in the evening which really pissed me off (even the Requip 1mg didn't help) That's when I'd take extra Klonopin and pain pills till it stopped .I never really know how I would feel from day to day.

After I stopped all the above I was still taking the Ambien CR 12.5 for over 4 yrs. maybe longer but they didn't work I'd wake in the middle of the nite .I then stopped them cold back in Jan.

Yes I was on all the above at the same time along with pain meds and Klonopin

I later read that if you do not taper correctly that you can get symtoms months later ?
Could this be causing my ups and downs of nausea ? It' mostly in the morning.

I'm still on the Requip 1mg for restless legs is that addictive ? I hope not...since my next taper after the Subutex will be the Klonopin.

I'm still on 4.5 doing well on day three some muscle aches worse at night. When I'm ready what dose should I taper to next

Sorry for all the questions...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Certainly all those meds could affect how you've felt. If you remember when we first started talking that was something I pointed then. You've been taking lots of medications. That was also when I first brought up the klonopin and you tapering OFF those things.

You've been on serious meds for years and years. It's a totally different ball game when people use for 25 years vs someone who's used for a couple years. You and I have used for almost our whole life.

Next time you reduce you should drop by 25% again. That comes out to 3.375mg which is a joke trying to cut a piece that accurate. So do your best to cut a piece that is just a little less than half a pill. That will be close enough. Then cut it in two pieces as close as you can and there you are. Take the pieces twice a day just like you've been doing. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Certainly all those meds could affect how you've felt. If you remember when we first started talking that was something I pointed then. You've been taking lots of medications. That was also when I first brought up the klonopin and you tapering OFF those things.

You've been on serious meds for years and years. It's a totally different ball game when people use for 25 years vs someone who's used for a couple years. You and I have used for almost our whole life.

Next time you reduce you should drop by 25% again. That comes out to 3.375mg which is a joke trying to cut a piece that accurate. So do your best to cut a piece that is just a little less than half a pill. That will be close enough. Then cut it in two pieces as close as you can and there you are. Take the pieces twice a day just like you've been doing. God bless.

Hi Robert ...
Ok... back to that MATH... here I had my 2mg cut into my lines ...alrighty now so I guess I shouldn't have cut my lines up This should be fun....guess there's no way to use my lines from my 2mg which I put into my 4 nice little piles ...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Robert ...
Ok... back to that MATH... here I had my 2mg cut into my lines ...alrighty now so I guess I shouldn't have cut my lines up This should be fun....guess there's no way to use my lines from my 2mg which I put into my 4 nice little piles ...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Pam ... if you're using the pill after it's been powdered you can still use the lines. If you have 1mg or 2mg lines cut up just add them up to what you need to be taking. Think girl.

If you're supposed to be at 3.375 mg then take 2mg in the morning and a little less than 2mg in the early evening or whenever you take the late dose. That's close enough. Doesn't matter if you cut the pill or if it's turned to powder. It's still the same thing. As long as you take the right amount total for the entire day that is all that matters. God bless.

[brndout]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Robert ...
Ok... back to that MATH... here I had my 2mg cut into my lines ...alrighty now so I guess I shouldn't have cut my lines up This should be fun....guess there's no way to use my lines from my 2mg which I put into my 4 nice little piles ...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

No reason to waste good lines -just take three .5 lines and a tiny bit more than 1/5 of the other , and you have 1.64 half of you daily dose -or so Linda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
If you did 15 minutes on the elliptical you did GOOD...my daughter has one but that thing kicks my but...I can run for ever,but I get on that thing and I feel like I will never make my mile...

I use Advil now I always have a big bottle in my purse.but if that's all i take it's ok..I can handle 10.00 dollars a week for them...

I'm sure Robert will see your post soon,
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Well just for the record it did kick my but I did little over mile...talk about being out of shape body went into shock.....I want to start running again just won't be able to take my running buddy with me ....Maybe I will run tomorrow it's suppose to be nice..

I have a 9 yr old lab retreiver mix ...he is my baby...I treat him better than the husband . He won't be able to run long he has arthritis but you'd never know it unless he does to much ...he loves his runs behind our house in the field....and had exploritory surgery last Oct they had to remove 8cm of his colon found out he had cancer had 37 staples. He had one chemo treatment but we stopped didn't want him to go thru all that....They said the type of cancer he has is agressive and will come back in 4-10 months. Chemo only would buy maybe two months .We all just thought it was from a corn cobb but it wasn't ....So I pray for him everyday.
Ok ,can't talk about that anymore I'm starting to cry.

Robert did get right back to me ....I hate doing math....should have listened in school better yet kept the old scale LOL
Talk soon
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by brndout

No reason to waste good lines -just take three .5 lines and a tiny bit more than 1/5 of the other , and you have 1.64 half of you daily dose -or so Linda

I like the way you think ...never did like math....I knew I should of kept that scale....
Thank's,
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ... if you're using the pill after it's been powdered you can still use the lines. If you have 1mg or 2mg lines cut up just add them up to what you need to be taking. Think girl.

If you're supposed to be at 3.375 mg then take 2mg in the morning and a little less than 2mg in the early evening or whenever you take the late dose. That's close enough. Doesn't matter if you cut the pill or if it's turned to powder. It's still the same thing. As long as you take the right amount total for the entire day that is all that matters. God bless.

Well Robert I did have to think this morning had no choice.... my nice little lines didn't quit make it ....lets just say I bumped my hand and bye, bye lines ....boy I was not a happy person. Linda even told me what to do since I already had my lines...didn't want to waste a good line. So much for that.
I have a stupid question to ask has anyone every complained about pain in thier hands like palms and thumb ? I know I did alot off painting but never had this problem ...starting to worry since it's been a few days and hurt's like heck ...
Left you a message on Linda's site....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Well Robert I did have to think this morning had no choice.... my nice little lines didn't quit make it ....lets just say I bumped my hand and bye, bye lines ....boy I was not a happy person. Linda even told me what to do since I already had my lines...didn't want to waste a good line. So much for that.
I have a stupid question to ask has anyone every complained about pain in thier hands like palms and thumb ? I know I did alot off painting but never had this problem ...starting to worry since it's been a few days and hurt's like heck ...
Left you a message on Linda's site....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

No way Pam that your finger and thumb would be hurting from the subs. That's just not a side effect of subs at all.

Sounds like you probably strained a tendon/ligament in your hand to me. Maybe hurt a nerve or something, hard to say. Definitely not from subs. At least I've NEVER heard of anything even remotely like that before.

It's really hard to treat something like that. Without knowing what it is I don't know whether heat or cold would be best. Icy Hot might help some from the pharmacy. It's over the counter ... no RX needed. Take care of yourself. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

No way Pam that your finger and thumb would be hurting from the subs. That's just not a side effect of subs at all.

Sounds like you probably strained a tendon/ligament in your hand to me. Maybe hurt a nerve or something, hard to say. Definitely not from subs. At least I've NEVER heard of anything even remotely like that before.

It's really hard to treat something like that. Without knowing what it is I don't know whether heat or cold would be best. Icy Hot might help some from the pharmacy. It's over the counter ... no RX needed. Take care of yourself. God bless.

Thank's Robert I just thought I'd ask I really didn't think it was Sorry to bother you on that one ....I have done all the above...

Talk soon and God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Hi Robert ...I noticed that you told me to taper to 3.375 did you mean 3.75 ?
Day one hot flashes which made me grumpy...really hate those you get dressed and it's put it on then take it off etc ...

Day 2 two woke up chilled to the bone which lasted little over hour, sl. muscle pain thats about it felt good rest of the day...worked out a little and took the dog for a long walk Feeling good most of the day .

I do have a loss of appetite but that has been ongoing just not hungry....Yes I do force myself to eat and take vitamins .

Thank's and God Bless,
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Hi Pam
I'm sorry it sounds like your not feeling to good...
It will get better and I know you know that...
Hang tough girl..
I will say some prayers for you
Melinda

[brndout]

Hi -this is Linda and no he means 3.375 not 3.75 .I was not good at math either but I can figure a discount so I just convert it to prices of things. I hate to admit my simplistic ways but 4.5 becomes $4.50 and a 10% discount is .45 cents and another 10% is another .45 cents and thats 20% and you need another 5% so split the ten in half which is about .22 . Then add .45and .45 and .22 which is1.12 but round to 1.1 and subtracy from 4.5 and you have about 3.4-really 3.375 but I rounded up. I don't know if you are dosing once or twice but I have some ideas for cutting smaller doses if you need them linda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by brndout

Hi -this is Linda and no he means 3.375 not 3.75 .I was not good at math either but I can figure a discount so I just convert it to prices of things. I hate to admit my simplistic ways but 4.5 becomes $4.50 and a 10% discount is .45 cents and another 10% is another .45 cents and thats 20% and you need another 5% so split the ten in half which is about .22 . Then add .45and .45 and .22 which is1.12 but round to 1.1 and subtracy from 4.5 and you have about 3.4-really 3.375 but I rounded up. I don't know if you are dosing once or twice but I have some ideas for cutting smaller doses if you need them linda

Thank's Linda that does make since ...I love the way your brain works Now that's something I can relate to....it was my husband that kept telling me about the 3.75 ....what can I say he's a guy I may need your help with later tapers.
Thank's,
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
I'm sorry it sounds like your not feeling to good...
It will get better and I know you know that...
Hang tough girl..
I will say some prayers for you
Melinda

Hi melinda I'm doing well just hit a little bump in the road...it didn't last long about an hour.
The only thing I hate is being nausea's which I was having before the sub's.
I just think it's from all the other prior meds along with stopping a couple to fast like the Effexor XR , Dalmane etc...
I will kick this ...it will not win. I need to find out from Robert on how much my next taper will be ?
I can use the prayers thats for sure.
Hope all is well with you?
It's great to have support and to know I'm not alone in this.
Well off to the elliptical I go ...
Thank's
Pam