[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ..... I think you are probably talking about Baclofen? It's a muscle relaxer, also used for muscle spasms for people with MS.

Baclofen could help some for your legs and back ache. It shouldn't hurt you if you, just don't get carried away. I don't know that it would stop the headache, I don't know of it being used for that off-label purpose. Not saying it's impossible, just that I don't know about using it for that. It's not anything that should have a severe adverse effect with the subs.

I just checked baclofen in search box at the top of this page. It seems that there is sometimes a side effect (though uncommon) of headaches. Doesn't say it's a regular thing, but it does happen sometime. You should read the information for yourself too so you'll know what it says.

One other thing I do have to caution you on is that you do take several medications. I know there is a "moderate" potential interaction between the baclofen and buprenorphine from the subs as well as with the klonopin, requip and neurontin. So all of these meds mixed together do pose some interaction potential for CNS/respiratory depression. The baclofen would add one more med to the list.

I know that you're aware of potential interactions and that is why you're planning on going after the klonopin next. But I would be remiss in my responsibility to you if I failed to mention the interaction potential before saying anyting about taking other meds.

I always try to point out the potential negatives about taking anything as I'm not a dr. I don't think the baclofen would hurt you if you are conservative. If it doesn't help soon I wouldn't add to the dose hoping more would stop a headache when that could be a potential side effect itself. God bless.

I Robert I see you found my name on Tiff's thread ... boy you guys really are all over .

Just to let you know I'm not taking baclofen ... I'm currently only on Klonopin ,Reguip and of course the Subutex .

I 'd rather not take anything my goal is to kick it all and live a normal life.

Why are some words in red in my thread I do not remember doing anything

Talk soon God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
I sooo understand about the body aches....Oh man...just give it some time to heal...
I just asked Robert about you dropping on the subs and he said he doesn't want you to drop to fast he said wait till tonight and well see how you feel.

And on the smiley faces they don't work on the quick response hit the other reply buttons ...quote or reply

I will never forget getting off all of my pills I think it took me a year to get there..I found this place when I was down to two 5mg vic's...and that's when Robert helped me...but oh it was hard..The first time i quit my oxycontin...I think I made it two weeks i did it cold turkey and I quit my klonopin at the same time......OMG I was so sick...LOL...I had a 2 month long panic attack....If I would have known about this place I would not have had such a hard time...

Your doing great...I really do know how hard this is...
I will talk with you soon,Melinda

Melinda that sounds rough... You came a long way thats great . I total understand panic attacks they are no walk in the park .How did you function?

I was taking vic's 7.5 around 6 most of the time ,some days 8 -10 if the pain was bad ...however I was down to 4-5 by the time I started Sub's . The Klonopin I was taking .05 4x a day ( some days when I was in a bad mood which was most of the time) I would take 2 more.(didn't abuse them very much at that time) I'm not looking forward to tapering off the Klonopin.

I was on Efflexor xr which I got off on my own it was not a great ...I felt terriable . I looked it up and read all the problems people had tapering off. My mood was so up and down...my kids would not speak to me. This was maybe two month ago or more. I was so depressed and had no one to talk to all I did was cry .Then one day my grandson (he is 4 but a little guy )came over he just looked at me with his blue eyes and wanted to know what was wrong with his nana .Well he tried to make me feel better but nothing worked I justed cryed .My kids hated me so I did something really stupid and drank a whole bottle of wine and took my pain pills and Klonopin along with a couple Zanax . Boy was I every sick I couldn't even get off the floor it was horriable. I was so stupid ...I could have died...I have never told this to anyone.

I'm so glad to have someone I can talk to.

Talk soon and God Bless
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Melinda that sounds rough... You came a long way thats great . I total understand panic attacks they are no walk in the park .How did you function?

I was taking vic's 7.5 around 6 most of the time ,some days 8 -10 if the pain was bad ...however I was down to 4-5 by the time I started Sub's . The Klonopin I was taking .05 4x a day ( some days when I was in a bad mood which was most of the time) I would take 2 more.(didn't abuse them very much at that time) I'm not looking forward to tapering off the Klonopin.

I was on Efflexor xr which I got off on my own it was not a great ...I felt terriable . I looked it up and read all the problems people had tapering off. My mood was so up and down...my kids would not speak to me. This was maybe two month ago or more. I was so depressed and had no one to talk to all I did was cry .Then one day my grandson (he is 4 but a little guy )came over he just looked at me with his blue eyes and wanted to know what was wrong with his nana .Well he tried to make me feel better but nothing worked I justed cryed .My kids hated me so I did something really stupid and drank a whole bottle of wine and took my pain pills and Klonopin along with a couple Zanax . Boy was I every sick I couldn't even get off the floor it was horriable. I was so stupid ...I could have died...I have never told this to anyone.

I'm so glad to have someone I can talk to.

Talk soon and God Bless
Pam

Hi Pam
OH MAN it was hard to function...I have a cleaning business and when I went to peoples houses to clean and they were home it was really hard to be pretending that I wasn't having a panic attack...LOL
Your not going to have as hard of time as I did getting off the klonopin if you just go slow you will be fine...I just quit everything at the same time...YIKES
That was really stupid but I didn't know any better then...
I was chewing up oxycontins 2 at a time plus a couple of ten mg vics to top them off...that = about 20 5mg oxycodone at a time...I was a real pill head...
I'm so glad those days are over.I threw away every picture of me at that time in my life it just makes me sick to look at them...
I think your going to come out of this on top and I don't think it will take you all that long...
Your kids will forgive you if they haven't allready...
Life is just hard sometimes...but we find a way to get thru it and we really do come out allot stronger...

Talk to you soon, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
OH MAN it was hard to function...I have a cleaning business and when I went to peoples houses to clean and they were home it was really hard to be pretending that I wasn't having a panic attack...LOL
Your not going to have as hard of time as I did getting off the klonopin if you just go slow you will be fine...I just quit everything at the same time...YIKES
That was really stupid but I didn't know any better then...
I was chewing up oxycontins 2 at a time plus a couple of ten mg vics to top them off...that = about 20 5mg oxycodone at a time...I was a real pill head...
I'm so glad those days are over.I threw away every picture of me at that time in my life it just makes me sick to look at them...
I think your going to come out of this on top and I don't think it will take you all that long...
Your kids will forgive you if they haven't allready...
Life is just hard sometimes...but we find a way to get thru it and we really do come out allot stronger...

Talk to you soon, Melinda

Thanks for all your support ... we can make it if we want it bad enough. I just can't go out when I'm having panic and anxiety attacks .

Well I need to get this done I had to cancel two hair appointments hairs lookin bad .

Well I've been doing pretty good all day ...after MR.Headache went away and took Mr Nausea with ....Oh Mr Body Pain tried running after them and got up so what is the next plan of action.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Pam ... reducing your dose tomorrow is asking for trouble I think. You've not felt well enough today to reduce yet. I don't want you to push your luck. Keep it at 10mg for the day again tomorrow.

Let's hope you become more acclimated to this Sunday. We've got the naloxone out of your system so let's pray that it's is a better day. Then you could plan on a reduction Monday. Talk with you tomorrow. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ... reducing your dose tomorrow is asking for trouble I think. You've not felt well enough today to reduce yet. I don't want you to push your luck. Keep it at 10mg for the day again tomorrow.

Let's hope you become more acclimated to this Sunday. We've got the naloxone out of your system so let's pray that it's is a better day. Then you could plan on a reduction Monday. Talk with you tomorrow. God bless.

Ok Robert just want you to know I took my 6mg this morning as you said ...I came close to just doing the 4mg like we were going to do . I was good and did not and told myself I must be patient ....remember Robert knows best. So what is your next plan?

Well this morning just tired and a little down and started crying for no reason (maybe I can blame the weather it's rainy) while writting this . I'm not nausea's and do not have a headache ...I should be happy not crying.

What is good for me to take while I taper?

I know this sounds stupid but why are sub w/d worse than w/d off vic's? I read how people w/d in a week but are sick then thats it life goes on. Why is the w/d from subs so much different ? I read people are cutting pills so small and doing lines why is that?

I hate never knowing what the next day will be like. It sucks not being able to make an appointment and knowing whether I can keep it. I just want to have my life back .....Yes I know I did this to myself along with my doctors help.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[magsj]

Originally Posted by tired2

Ok Robert just want you to know I took my 6mg this morning as you said ...I came close to just doing the 4mg like we were going to do . I was good and did not and told myself I must be patient ....remember Robert knows best. So what is your next plan?

Well this morning just tired and a little down and started crying for no reason (maybe I can blame the weather it's rainy) while writting this . I'm not nausea's and do not have a headache ...I should be happy not crying.

What is good for me to take while I taper?

I know this sounds stupid but why are sub w/d worse than w/d off vic's? I read how people w/d in a week but are sick then thats it life goes on. Why is the w/d from subs so much different ? I read people are cutting pills so small and doing lines why is that?

I hate never knowing what the next day will be like. It sucks not being able to make an appointment and knowing whether I can keep it. I just want to have my life back .....Yes I know I did this to myself along with my doctors help.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Dear Tired-

I've been following your progress. I am tapering off of Suboxone and am at about the same place you are, dropped to 4.5mg yesterday. The part in your post about "not knowing what the next day will bring" hit home for me........I feel the same. I haven't had my hair trimmed in a long time because I don't want to make an appt. and then 2 hours before realize there is no way I can get myself there. Oh well, I guess the hair thing is pretty unimportant right now 0.

As far as the crying, I remember about 2 or 3 days after getting onto the Suboxone I had a day where I just cried at the drop of a hat, not even sure what I was crying about! I do know that part of it was I felt more clear-headed and started actually FEELING emotion again (I was on methadone and norco and didnt' feel much), part of the tears were out of guilt because I DID have some clarity and the realization of how I had been living and how it affected my husband was a bit much to deal with initially, but I cried for no reason at all as well, I think I even cried at the end of a very stupid movie that was totally unworthy of my tears!!!!! That lasted for a couple days and then subsided.

I dropped to 4.5mg yesterday and feeling very fatigued today. My brain wants to do things but my body just can't keep up right now. Oh well, it will be well worth it in the 3end!!!!!

Just thought I would say "hi" and commiserate with you!!!! I hope you continue to do well and will keep in touch since we are in the same boat right now )


mags

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Ok Robert just want you to know I took my 6mg this morning as you said ...I came close to just doing the 4mg like we were going to do . I was good and did not and told myself I must be patient ....remember Robert knows best. So what is your next plan?

Well this morning just tired and a little down and started crying for no reason (maybe I can blame the weather it's rainy) while writting this . I'm not nausea's and do not have a headache ...I should be happy not crying.

What is good for me to take while I taper?

I know this sounds stupid but why are sub w/d worse than w/d off vic's? I read how people w/d in a week but are sick then thats it life goes on. Why is the w/d from subs so much different ? I read people are cutting pills so small and doing lines why is that?

I hate never knowing what the next day will be like. It sucks not being able to make an appointment and knowing whether I can keep it. I just want to have my life back .....Yes I know I did this to myself along with my doctors help.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Pam ... First of all no questions are stupid! But slow down a little, your mind is running 200 miles a minute ... try to RELAX! I'm serious ... go back and read your post. There are seven questions in there. I'm not complaining or giving you are hard time I just want you to try and settle down a little.

You mention that you realize you did this to yourself ... but really think for a moment about what both of us actually did to ourselves over the years. You and I have both been abusing opiates since before many of the people on this forum were even born. That's a fact! I'm not just talking about you, I'm throwing me in there too. You were inducted last month on what I think was the wrong med with the naloxone in the suboxone. We are just now STARTING to get you stabilized on the subutex. Hopefully we will have you totally stable by tomorrow as induction takes up to four days. But you also have to add all the years and the amount of drugs we've consumed into the equation here. You and I aren't the same as a kid who abused hydrocodone for a couple years and is trying to decide whether or not to cold turkey or use subs to get clean. We've trashed ourselves for a long time and eventually we have to pay in some way for doing that to ourselves.

I remember the first time I went into rehab. I told them when I went in to be evaluated that I didn't want any recovery meetings, all I wanted was for them to take the drugs out of my system and I would be fine to go. I was too busy to be bothered with any of their programs or anything else. I just wanted the drugs gone so I would be well. Little did I know that it would take me years to finally get clean for good. So what I'm saying is that your body is going crazy as it wants some opiates and it isn't going to be quiet for a while yet. I can honestly say that it took me three months when I got clean initially before I could speak in complete sentences again without my mind going off in 20 different directions just like yours is now. I was a total mess.

You'll learn to welcome all feelings both good and bad as you accumulate some clean time as all feelings are a part of life. But it's been so many years since you were clean that your body and mind are tripping out right now. Subutex is a good medication but some people, like you and I, sort of test the strength of the medication to its limits.

Once we get you stable, now that you're on the proper medication, you are going to improve. Just hang in there and give this some more time. You've got a long ways to go yet between the subs and then stopping the benzos. You've got to get a hold of your emotions if you're going to be successful over the long haul ahead of you. You've got a long ways to go so try to help yourself relax so you're not so stressed. That will also help with your headaches if you can relax a little more.

Go ahead and try 8mg tomorrow. Take 4mg twice during the day. I think you'll be okay with it, again just try to settle down as much as you can. You're going to get your life back if you'll go along with me I promise. But I can also promise this isn't going to be a short easy road for people like you and me. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Ok Robert just want you to know I took my 6mg this morning as you said ...I came close to just doing the 4mg like we were going to do . I was good and did not and told myself I must be patient ....remember Robert knows best. So what is your next plan?

Well this morning just tired and a little down and started crying for no reason (maybe I can blame the weather it's rainy) while writting this . I'm not nausea's and do not have a headache ...I should be happy not crying.

What is good for me to take while I taper?

I know this sounds stupid but why are sub w/d worse than w/d off vic's? I read how people w/d in a week but are sick then thats it life goes on. Why is the w/d from subs so much different ? I read people are cutting pills so small and doing lines why is that?

I hate never knowing what the next day will be like. It sucks not being able to make an appointment and knowing whether I can keep it. I just want to have my life back .....Yes I know I did this to myself along with my doctors help.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Hi Pam
It's OK to sit down and cry for know reason...look at all you have been thru...
I'm sure your nervous system is a little frazzled...so give it some time to settle down...
For now, till you get better, try and just live for today..
You will get your life back soon enough...
try to be a little kinder to yourself right now...
tell yourself I'm going to be OK,and know that you are !!!
give this some time and your going to say what was I so worried about...
I promise...
I will talk to you soon, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam ... First of all no questions are stupid! But slow down a little, your mind is running 200 miles a minute ... try to RELAX! I'm serious ... go back and read your post. There are seven questions in there. I'm not complaining or giving you are hard time I just want you to try and settle down a little.

You mention that you realize you did this to yourself ... but really think for a moment about what both of us actually did to ourselves over the years. You and I have both been abusing opiates since before many of the people on this forum were even born. That's a fact! I'm not just talking about you, I'm throwing me in there too. You were inducted last month on what I think was the wrong med with the naloxone in the suboxone. We are just now STARTING to get you stabilized on the subutex. Hopefully we will have you totally stable by tomorrow as induction takes up to four days. But you also have to add all the years and the amount of drugs we've consumed into the equation here. You and I aren't the same as a kid who abused hydrocodone for a couple years and is trying to decide whether or not to cold turkey or use subs to get clean. We've trashed ourselves for a long time and eventually we have to pay in some way for doing that to ourselves.

I remember the first time I went into rehab. I told them when I went in to be evaluated that I didn't want any recovery meetings, all I wanted was for them to take the drugs out of my system and I would be fine to go. I was too busy to be bothered with any of their programs or anything else. I just wanted the drugs gone so I would be well. Little did I know that it would take me years to finally get clean for good. So what I'm saying is that your body is going crazy as it wants some opiates and it isn't going to be quiet for a while yet. I can honestly say that it took me three months when I got clean initially before I could speak in complete sentences again without my mind going off in 20 different directions just like yours is now. I was a total mess.

You'll learn to welcome all feelings both good and bad as you accumulate some clean time as all feelings are a part of life. But it's been so many years since you were clean that your body and mind are tripping out right now. Subutex is a good medication but some people, like you and I, sort of test the strength of the medication to its limits.

Once we get you stable, now that you're on the proper medication, you are going to improve. Just hang in there and give this some more time. You've got a long ways to go yet between the subs and then stopping the benzos. You've got to get a hold of your emotions if you're going to be successful over the long haul ahead of you. You've got a long ways to go so try to help yourself relax so you're not so stressed. That will also help with your headaches if you can relax a little more.

Go ahead and try 8mg tomorrow. Take 4mg twice during the day. I think you'll be okay with it, again just try to settle down as much as you can. You're going to get your life back if you'll go along with me I promise. But I can also promise this isn't going to be a short easy road for people like you and me. God bless.

Robert you are so right this is something that doesn't happen over night we have put our bodies thru so much...and now it doesn't know whats going on.
Brains doing one thing and body is doing the opposite .

I remember going into rehab all I wanted was the same as you " just get the drugs out of me" .I thought you go in detox and your good to go. I know totally nieve thinking on my part. Then by day 5 I had diahrrea so bad I might of as well moved into the bathroom. I couldn't get Imodium since they told me it had benzo in it so I downed a whole bottle of Bepto which by the way didn't do a thing . That lasted a few days .I couldn't stand the smell of food so I hardly ate . I hated every meeting they would make me stand up give my name and say "I'm addicted to drugs and a alcholic " I didn't even drink real great for the self esteem. My counsler was a total SPINSTER and a B****. My husband called her to let her know my script came in ...she told him to bring them in . However he brought them but left them outside in the truck. I actually threated to leave him . He never gave them to her. I had to get out which I did never looked backed.

When I got home I went into a panic about having my pills .I just about ripped my husbands head off because he took my Klonopin which I got back...I was so use to them that I had to know I had something around .I was calling the PM doc also .... I was going thru w/d for pain meds and benzo's ....sweats,chills,clammy feeling etc. I tried but it only last a week my head was spinning ,couldn't hold a conversation .I ended taking one pill then just continued . However I was not abusing them to get high . I only took my dose...ok sometimes I would take extra.

I know I can do this with your help and the support I get from others . I think the one thing that is freakin me out is that I won't be able to get into the doctor before I run out of Subutex and that I will have to go back on the Suboxone or he won't let me have them ...had I been able to get to 8mg today it would have got me a extra day. I know I wasn't ready .

One good thing is my husband is going to go with me .

I'm doing better only cried a few times writting this ...I know relax which will be easier after I go to the doctor.

Ok I will do 8mg tomorrow and call the doc and mean while I won't think about it, at least try not to.

Sorry this was so long ....I feel better

Thank's Robert and God Bless

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
It's OK to sit down and cry for know reason...look at all you have been thru...
I'm sure your nervous system is a little frazzled...so give it some time to settle down...
For now, till you get better, try and just live for today..
You will get your life back soon enough...
try to be a little kinder to yourself right now...
tell yourself I'm going to be OK,and know that you are !!!
give this some time and your going to say what was I so worried about...
I promise...
I will talk to you soon, Melinda

Hi Melinda,
Thank's I'm feeling better ,you are so right even Robert just told me my body is going thru alot .

It's like my brain says one thing and my body is wants to do something else.

I know I have a long way to go but at least I have you and Robert to walk me thru not to mention the support of the others on this site.

Right now I'm more freaked out that the doctor won't let me stay on Subutex and that I won't be able to get my appointment before I run out....but for now I'm going to stop thinking about it.

It would be nice to know when I can make an appointment and know I can keep it ...

Thanks ...talk soon
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by magsj

Dear Tired-

I've been following your progress. I am tapering off of Suboxone and am at about the same place you are, dropped to 4.5mg yesterday. The part in your post about "not knowing what the next day will bring" hit home for me........I feel the same. I haven't had my hair trimmed in a long time because I don't want to make an appt. and then 2 hours before realize there is no way I can get myself there. Oh well, I guess the hair thing is pretty unimportant right now 0.

As far as the crying, I remember about 2 or 3 days after getting onto the Suboxone I had a day where I just cried at the drop of a hat, not even sure what I was crying about! I do know that part of it was I felt more clear-headed and started actually FEELING emotion again (I was on methadone and norco and didnt' feel much), part of the tears were out of guilt because I DID have some clarity and the realization of how I had been living and how it affected my husband was a bit much to deal with initially, but I cried for no reason at all as well, I think I even cried at the end of a very stupid movie that was totally unworthy of my tears!!!!! That lasted for a couple days and then subsided.

I dropped to 4.5mg yesterday and feeling very fatigued today. My brain wants to do things but my body just can't keep up right now. Oh well, it will be well worth it in the 3end!!!!!

Just thought I would say "hi" and commiserate with you!!!! I hope you continue to do well and will keep in touch since we are in the same boat right now )


mags

Hi mags,
Thank's it's great that you want to commiserate with me you are more than welcome ....I sure can use some.

Well glad I'm not crying alone....I'm better now between Robert ,Melinda and you I will make it.

I will be tapering down tomorrow to 8mg ....I'm learning not to make appointment ...I see you have the same problem...hey I guess we'll just have to wear hats for awhile

I have noticed that I do think a lot clearer and more alert something I haven't felt in yrs. ....when I feel well and Mr Nausea and his friends aren't hangin around I have so much energy ....but some how they always find thier way back.

Congrad's on your taper .You should have more energy tomorrow...
Talk soon and God Bless
Pam

[tired2]

Robert I took my 4mg of subutex this morning...I only have 2mg.left of Subutex. I called the doctors office and told them it was an emergency but they wouldn't give me an appointment till Wed. and that he is booked today and will not be in tomorrow.

I doubt he will call so now I will have to go back on the Suboxone which I have issues with.

When I do see or talk to the JERK I know to tell him that Suboxone makes me sick ....as far as the taper etc. we were going to discuss what I should tell him .

Thank's and God Bless

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Robert I took my 4mg of subutex this morning...I only have 2mg.left of Subutex. I called the doctors office and told them it was an emergency but they wouldn't give me an appointment till Wed. and that he is booked today and will not be in tomorrow.

I doubt he will call so now I will have to go back on the Suboxone which I have issues with.

When I do see or talk to the JERK I know to tell him that Suboxone makes me sick ....as far as the taper etc. we were going to discuss what I should tell him .

Thank's and God Bless

I would go ahead and tell him that you did well with the subutex when you were trying to make it last until you could get back in to see him and you've lowered your dose. Tell the truth, you've done nothing wrong. You just tapered your dose, I don't think he can get mad about that especially when it worked. Tell him if he'll give you enough to last a month he can see for himself how well you do then when you go back to see him again.

Tomorrow take the same amount of suboxone as you did the subutex today. God bless.

[tired2]

Robert ,sorry to have bothered you so much....didn't check the e-mail....I thought you totally forgot about me .

Alright I couldn't get an appointment today even said I had an emergency but they said the Dr JERK was booked and he's not in tomorrow. So they said they would give him the messages ....Right that was over8 hrs ago. I did get a appointment for Wed. late afternoon.

I called the JERK again they told me to leave a message with the girl that handles the scripts .She will be viewing and then talks to the doctor and then he decides yes or know. He is also in a meeting...I did leave a lengthy message . Even asked for at least enough to get me thru Wed for my appointment.

Yes I'm in panic mode and totally freaking out ....since it's almost 7pm here ....I need a lot of prayers right now . It's almost time for me to take my pill and I only have 2mg left of Subutex . What should I do???? I tapered to 8 today...I took my 4mg this morning doing great got a little visit from Mr. Nausea but he left right away.

What's next if I can't get them?

What dose should I tell him I'm on?

Thank's and God Bless
I'm going to pray that this works out.

[Robert_325]

Take the subutex and make up the difference in your evening dose with the suboxone. Try not to visualize yourself feeling badly. Maybe you'll be okay until you get the other meds filled possibly tomorrow even a few. Stay positive, it will work out I believe. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Take the subutex and make up the difference in your evening dose with the suboxone. Try not to visualize yourself feeling badly. Maybe you'll be okay until you get the other meds filled possibly tomorrow even a few. Stay positive, it will work out I believe. God bless.

Alright I will think positive... (could I have screwed up the day I cut the Suboxone to 12mg ffrom 16mg the one day after only taking it for 2 weeks give or take after starting)? I'm still holding out before I take my pill in hopes they call.

How much to I tell the doctor I'm taking now?

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Alright I will think positive... (could I have screwed up the day I cut the Suboxone to 12mg ffrom 16mg the one day after only taking it for 2 weeks give or take after starting)? I'm still holding out before I take my pill in hopes they call.

How much to I tell the doctor I'm taking now?

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

As I said I would tell him the truth. Tell him the exact dose you are taking. No reason to lie. You're taking 8mg, tell him 8mg. Tell him that you tapered to that dose on the subutex and it worked for days just fine. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

As I said I would tell him the truth. Tell him the exact dose you are taking. No reason to lie. You're taking 8mg, tell him 8mg. Tell him that you tapered to that dose on the subutex and it worked for days just fine. God bless.

Yippie!!!
Well Robert God answered my prayers ....I never heard back from the doctor so I cut my pill . Then I took the rest of the Subutex mean while I just stared at that Suboxone and was about to take it but something said not tooo.

So I called the Pharmacy about 10 mins. or so later and guess what they had a script ....I was able to get 4 this time not much but it's better than nothing.
Then I see doc on Wed. with my husband.

Well I must work on cutting this thing...not so easy cutting the Subutex into 2mg especially when it broke this time .I can't imagine when they get really small...

Thank's and God Bless

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Yippie!!!
Well Robert God answered my prayers ....I never heard back from the doctor so I cut my pill . Then I took the rest of the Subutex mean while I just stared at that Suboxone and was about to take it but something said not tooo.

So I called the Pharmacy about 10 mins. or so later and guess what they had a script ....I was able to get 4 this time not much but it's better than nothing.
Then I see doc on Wed. with my husband.

Well I must work on cutting this thing...not so easy cutting the Subutex into 2mg especially when it broke this time .I can't imagine when they get really small...

Thank's and God Bless

I don't want to sound corny but I knew you would get some meds. I told you to have faith, if you're going to pray then don't worry, if you're going to worry then don't pray. They don't work together.

Now just focus on doing this right, everything is going to be fine. Stay on 8mg of subutex tomorrow and for the next several days. Want you to get settled down before changing anything else again.

HE has never let me down yet. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I don't want to sound corny but I knew you would get some meds. I told you to have faith, if you're going to pray then don't worry, if you're going to worry then don't pray. They don't work together.

Now just focus on doing this right, everything is going to be fine. Stay on 8mg of subutex tomorrow and for the next several days. Want you to get settled down before changing anything else again.

HE has never let me down yet. God bless.

Hey Robert ...I'm still here thought I'd give you a break.

Well I went to the doctor today with my husband . I got GREAT news he agreed to let me have the Subutex instead of the Suboxone...the funny part was all I told him was that I was so sick that I could hardly even shower or anything else . He then told me that he wanted me to take 8mg per day. Well then I told him I had already tapered to 8mg . He was shocked but happy and told me I'm looking better since I'm no longer on the pain meds.

His future plan was for me to take 8mg for one month , then 4mg for the second month , 2mg for the third . I told him that I read that people have w/d at 2mg.
He said that doesn't happen on Subutex is that true ? I know that the Naloxone is the only thing difference between the two drugs. I was shocked that he would have dropped me from 16mg to 8mg that fast also...

Boy I'm glad I have already tapered to the 8mg with you prior. I actually can't imagine dropping that much at once.

Well since my taper to 8mg on Monday I have been feeling better...I actually started painting a room yesterday my husband was shocked ...had to rest once in awhile but then continued .... I do have pain mostly at night. Today I only had a slight headache but I did get out to the doctor and even had a pedicure. lol

Do you think I will be off the subutex by at least Memorial Day or sooner???The sooner the better...know way I'm I going to stay on this for three month like the doctor wants ...as is he started me on high of a dose.

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Glad you've got that all worked out with the subutex. I had a feeling about this one, everything was just too obvious. The dr had to agree. Now just settle down and let's do this right.

We are all different Pam as far as any problems at a particular dose goes. That is what makes us different from a dr here, we make suggestions based on how a person is doing at that time. We do this on a daily basis where drs just can't get to us daily.

Not any specific number of people have problems at 2mg or any other dose. Sometimes it gets easier as we go, sometimes we do have a little harder time at the really low doses. I see people having different experiences at EVERY dose though. You can't really make any generalities about this. That's the main thing we make a point of here is that we are all different and have to deal with this accordingly.

You're on your way now! I doubt you'll be done by the end of May, that is only a little over four weeks but can't say for sure at this point. I haven't put the pencil to the number of days vs the taper plan. I just can't give you a date right now, we have to see how you do. It wouldn't be fair to you to say you'll be done on any specific date. Do the next right thing as it's suggested to you and you'll be done as soon as possible I guarantee. That's the best I can do right now. We're going to get you through this ASAP with you doing well at the same time. God bless.

[tired2]

Hi Robert hope all is well ....well now that I have stopped bothering you so much I'm back . Well I tapered last Monday to 8mg which you suggested I remained on for several days to stabalize my body as you stated.

I have been feeling a lot better ...only couple headaches nothing to bad . I do seem to get nausea's at times mostly in the morning So far I just work thru them .You told me about a medicine for headaches ...I believe it was called Zomig is that correct and can I buy OTC ?

I have had so much more energy and have gotten a lot done . I can even thing clearer . Boy I never sweated from painting before I know that sounds stupid . I'm even going to try to get back to the gym.

I do have my anxiety and some panic attacks however as you know I take my Klonopin for those .

I did have a moment last night were I got very agitated and began to cry ...I haven't felt like that since I stopped taking pain pills ...well I still have days that I will cry for no reason .

I have a dumb question well actually a couple... is it any easier to taper off Subutex than Suboxone? When I saw the doctor last he made it sound so simple to stop at 2mg in three more months . One more thing why and how do they come up with their duration of time limits of how long a person needs to take these meds before stopping ?

So as far as my tapering goes when should I taper and how much should I taper to ?

Thanks and God Bless
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Robert hope all is well ....well now that I have stopped bothering you so much I'm back . Well I tapered last Monday to 8mg which you suggested I remained on for several days to stabalize my body as you stated.

I have been feeling a lot better ...only couple headaches nothing to bad . I do seem to get nausea's at times mostly in the morning So far I just work thru them .You told me about a medicine for headaches ...I believe it was called Zomig is that correct and can I buy OTC ?

I have had so much more energy and have gotten a lot done . I can even thing clearer . Boy I never sweated from painting before I know that sounds stupid . I'm even going to try to get back to the gym.

I do have my anxiety and some panic attacks however as you know I take my Klonopin for those .

I did have a moment last night were I got very agitated and began to cry ...I haven't felt like that since I stopped taking pain pills ...well I still have days that I will cry for no reason .

I have a dumb question well actually a couple... is it any easier to taper off Subutex than Suboxone? When I saw the doctor last he made it sound so simple to stop at 2mg in three more months . One more thing why and how do they come up with their duration of time limits of how long a person needs to take these meds before stopping ?

So as far as my tapering goes when should I taper and how much should I taper to ?

Thanks and God Bless
Pam

Hi Pam
I just took Robert to the airport...He wont be on till tonight...
I hope all is well...Hang in there ...
Talk to you later, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
I just took Robert to the airport...He wont be on till tonight...
I hope all is well...Hang in there ...
Talk to you later, Melinda

Hi Melinda
Well I hope he went some place nice...so will I be hearing from Robert ? Hope I didn't scare him off .

All is well I actually painted my whole family room thats a first in a long time.

Hope you are well also . Hey I have a question for you to do you live in Seattle ? I read a site which is were I saw it.
Talk soon,
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Hi Tired
Your to funny....
Robert will be on line tonight,he wont leave you hanging

I do live in Seattle.

It sounds like your doing good...At least getting stuff done...
I still think it's good to cry...it means your not holding everything inside...
if you go to the gym I bet it would help with your anxiety...I know when I exercise...it gets my endorphins going.

I will leave tho sub questions for Robert

Hey will you come over and help me paint ...Just kidding...

Talk to you later, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Tired
Your to funny....
Robert will be on line tonight,he wont leave you hanging

I do live in Seattle.

It sounds like your doing good...At least getting stuff done...
I still think it's good to cry...it means your not holding everything inside...
if you go to the gym I bet it would help with your anxiety...I know when I exercise...it gets my endorphins going.

I will leave tho sub questions for Robert

Hey will you come over and help me paint ...Just kidding...

Talk to you later, Melinda

Hey Melinda....

It's a small world I was born in Seattle and my mom lives there

I am doing better ...it's been so long since I really did much so it does feel good. It is good to cry sorta gives you some relief. I need to get past the panic attacks to get to the gym ...still working on that one. Got any advice?

Sure next time I'm in Seattle I'll come help paint

Talk later
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hey Melinda....

It's a small world I was born in Seattle and my mom lives there

I am doing better ...it's been so long since I really did much so it does feel good. It is good to cry sorta gives you some relief. I need to get past the panic attacks to get to the gym ...still working on that one. Got any advice?

Sure next time I'm in Seattle I'll come help paint

Talk later
Pam

Hi Pam
I have had 2 bouts of panic disorder in my life.WOW...I have read every book there is on panic attacks...and anxiety... LOL...
I would get books on CD down load them on my I-pod and listen to them at work...that was hard going to work having a panic attack and pretending I wasn't having one.
have you read any of the books on panic disorders...
I really had to find out what is was that I was afraid of.
and you have to be truthful with yourself...
when I figured out what is was...I hammered it down till it didn't bother me so bad...It took allot of work.
I'm not sure in your case but if you were like me I'm sure your brain is telling you stuff like...your not going to make it with out drugs or your never going to get off this stuff...or things like you never recover financially from what you got yourself into...there are allot of different kinds of fear that people make up in there minds.but for me I just started watching what my brain was telling me,and I would stop it dead in it's track, I would just tell it to shut the **** up.
Then I would counter act with things like I WILL MAKE IT AND I WILL RECOVER FROM THIS...
when you start having a panic attack try to remember what it was that you were thinking about.
it could be many things...some of the most popular ones are fear of dying fear of loosing someone fear of your kids getting hurt.financial reasons.
can you see where I'm trying to go with this...
I have many books that can help....the other thing that I listened to was motivational speekers..like Anthony Robbins he has one on drug addiction...
like I said I listened to them all day at work,but it was putting good stuff in my brain that Finlay allowed it enough time to heal.now if something starts to bother me I take care of it right away.
If you want any info on the books let me know.
you can always e-mail me too...
Talk to you later, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Robert hope all is well ....well now that I have stopped bothering you so much I'm back . Well I tapered last Monday to 8mg which you suggested I remained on for several days to stabalize my body as you stated.

I have been feeling a lot better ...only couple headaches nothing to bad . I do seem to get nausea's at times mostly in the morning So far I just work thru them .You told me about a medicine for headaches ...I believe it was called Zomig is that correct and can I buy OTC ?

I have had so much more energy and have gotten a lot done . I can even thing clearer . Boy I never sweated from painting before I know that sounds stupid . I'm even going to try to get back to the gym.

I do have my anxiety and some panic attacks however as you know I take my Klonopin for those .

I did have a moment last night were I got very agitated and began to cry ...I haven't felt like that since I stopped taking pain pills ...well I still have days that I will cry for no reason .

I have a dumb question well actually a couple... is it any easier to taper off Subutex than Suboxone? When I saw the doctor last he made it sound so simple to stop at 2mg in three more months . One more thing why and how do they come up with their duration of time limits of how long a person needs to take these meds before stopping ?

So as far as my tapering goes when should I taper and how much should I taper to ?

Thanks and God Bless
Pam

Zomig is not over the counter. It's a RX med for migraines. And it works!
I don't know what to say about the crying. I never had too much trouble with crying, just relapsing.

I don't think it's easier to deox off subutex unless you're having reactions to the naloxone like you were. Then it would affect you obviously.

The drs get their suggestions for using subs from the drug co reps. That's why they're screwed up. The salespeople are trying to make money, that's all. Think about it logically. On our taper plan here I just use what works for each person as they progress.

If you are comfortable with how you feel and you're ready to reduce again then you should go to 6mg, taking 3mg twice daily. Let me know how it goes. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam
I have had 2 bouts of panic disorder in my life.WOW...I have read every book there is on panic attacks...and anxiety... LOL...
I would get books on CD down load them on my I-pod and listen to them at work...that was hard going to work having a panic attack and pretending I wasn't having one.
have you read any of the books on panic disorders...
I really had to find out what is was that I was afraid of.
and you have to be truthful with yourself...
when I figured out what is was...I hammered it down till it didn't bother me so bad...It took allot of work.
I'm not sure in your case but if you were like me I'm sure your brain is telling you stuff like...your not going to make it with out drugs or your never going to get off this stuff...or things like you never recover financially from what you got yourself into...there are allot of different kinds of fear that people make up in there minds.but for me I just started watching what my brain was telling me,and I would stop it dead in it's track, I would just tell it to shut the **** up.
Then I would counter act with things like I WILL MAKE IT AND I WILL RECOVER FROM THIS...
when you start having a panic attack try to remember what it was that you were thinking about.
it could be many things...some of the most popular ones are fear of dying fear of loosing someone fear of your kids getting hurt.financial reasons.
can you see where I'm trying to go with this...
I have many books that can help....the other thing that I listened to was motivational speekers..like Anthony Robbins he has one on drug addiction...
like I said I listened to them all day at work,but it was putting good stuff in my brain that Finlay allowed it enough time to heal.now if something starts to bother me I take care of it right away.
If you want any info on the books let me know.
you can always e-mail me too...
Talk to you later, Melinda

Hi Melinda,
Thank's for the info it helps and makes sense ....I will use all the information you gave me . I know it will still take a little time but I will try . I'm definatly interested about the books .

It's wierd it's like I want to go to the gym but I feel like everyone is watching me... really STUPID .Yet I know that once I walk in all the bad feelings go away ....It's not like I've never been there but, now I will be going to a new gym so I'm in panic mode. I even have a hard time just going to the grocery store or getting gas so I get my husband to go.

I use to always run around to the stores,gym ,get gas etc...never a problem .When I think back my attacks began at my last job .
When I was working I would freak just knowing I had to go to work (the job was stressfull which didn't help) but once I got there I was alright . I would just stay in my little area ....I'd even eat at my desk for fear being around people (corporate office lot of to faced people). I would force myself to get coffee but hurry back to my desk. I guess you can call it my safe place. Then I would have to take test for my job ....that would throw me into anxiety and panic attack .I hate test ....it's like I know the answers but you say test and I say what's my name

The attacks got worse when I stopped working b/c I didn't want to go out . I even had to make myself walk the dog but once I did it I was ok.
Well I'm sorry for going rambling on..I'm interested in the books....

Thank's Melinda
Pam