[magsj]

Hi Pam -

Friggin headaches!!!!! Just what you didn't need right now. It sounds like it is finally getting better, but sounds you have the left over residual soreness at the base of your head/neck. I used to get migraines (enter Norco) and after one would go away I was left with a soreness in that area, sounds much the same. Fortunately I don't have them at all any more.

Your getting there kid....(I say kid, I think you, Melinda, Linda and I think Freedom are all about the same age.....Instant wisdom and common sense must set in at our age (i.e., getting clean....) I just never wanted to be a 78 yaer old addict and the years were clipping by...hehehehe.

Keep up the good work... I can't believe how determined you are!!!! I know this is when it gets hard just from keeping track of everyone at this stage.

The auto immune studies they did were all negative......thus the consensus seems to be an acute flare of fibromalgia.....ugh. There are days when I am so tired and hurt so much and get really frustrated, then I will have days when I think I'm okay. Yes still stuck at 4mg. I just don't feel like I have the mental fortitude right now to continue, EXCEPT i was thinking that there is a good liklehood that I could get down further before withdrawal starts, maybe I could get down to 2mg at least before having to deal with w/d. So I think what I will do is set a goal of getting down to 2mg.

Sorry I haven't written in a couple days, had a cortisone injection in my thumb, OMG, I thought it was going to be no big deal, for two days the acute pain was worse than anything I can remember having done; throbbing, felt like a knife was stabbing my wristl. Finally better today. I didn't want to complain on your site, 'cause that is reserved for you at this point!

Melinda and I shared pictures via email. I would so nice to put a face to the names....would you be interested in doing that? Just let me know if you are.

Well, it's thundering a lightening and my lights are flickering so will sign off for now.

Take care, your doing great!

Hugs,

mags

PS-LINDA I'M GOING TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL, HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU FOREVER.

[brndout]

Originally Posted by magsj

Hi Pam -

Friggin headaches!!!!! Just what you didn't need right now. It sounds like it is finally getting better, but sounds you have the left over residual soreness at the base of your head/neck. I used to get migraines (enter Norco) and after one would go away I was left with a soreness in that area, sounds much the same. Fortunately I don't have them at all any more.

Your getting there kid....(I say kid, I think you, Melinda, Linda and I think Freedom are all about the same age.....Instant wisdom and common sense must set in at our age (i.e., getting clean....) I just never wanted to be a 78 yaer old addict and the years were clipping by...hehehehe.

Keep up the good work... I can't believe how determined you are!!!! I know this is when it gets hard just from keeping track of everyone at this stage.

The auto immune studies they did were all negative......thus the consensus seems to be an acute flare of fibromalgia.....ugh. There are days when I am so tired and hurt so much and get really frustrated, then I will have days when I think I'm okay. Yes still stuck at 4mg. I just don't feel like I have the mental fortitude right now to continue, EXCEPT i was thinking that there is a good liklehood that I could get down further before withdrawal starts, maybe I could get down to 2mg at least before having to deal with w/d. So I think what I will do is set a goal of getting down to 2mg.

Sorry I haven't written in a couple days, had a cortisone injection in my thumb, OMG, I thought it was going to be no big deal, for two days the acute pain was worse than anything I can remember having done; throbbing, felt like a knife was stabbing my wristl. Finally better today. I didn't want to complain on your site, 'cause that is reserved for you at this point!

Melinda and I shared pictures via email. I would so nice to put a face to the names....would you be interested in doing that? Just let me know if you are.

Well, it's thundering a lightening and my lights are flickering so will sign off for now.

Take care, your doing great!

Hugs,

mags

PS-LINDA I'M GOING TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL, HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU FOREVER.

I am sorry you are having all this go on-I keep reading your posts hoping it will get better for you. I think you have a great idea about getting down to 2mg. I know how frustrated you are at 4 so some movement downward would be a good psychological boost. Sure, e-mail me and let me know all that is happening. Thinking of you

[tired2]

Originally Posted by magsj

Hi Pam -

Friggin headaches!!!!! Just what you didn't need right now. It sounds like it is finally getting better, but sounds you have the left over residual soreness at the base of your head/neck. I used to get migraines (enter Norco) and after one would go away I was left with a soreness in that area, sounds much the same. Fortunately I don't have them at all any more.

Your getting there kid....(I say kid, I think you, Melinda, Linda and I think Freedom are all about the same age.....Instant wisdom and common sense must set in at our age (i.e., getting clean....) I just never wanted to be a 78 yaer old addict and the years were clipping by...hehehehe.

Keep up the good work... I can't believe how determined you are!!!! I know this is when it gets hard just from keeping track of everyone at this stage.

The auto immune studies they did were all negative......thus the consensus seems to be an acute flare of fibromalgia.....ugh. There are days when I am so tired and hurt so much and get really frustrated, then I will have days when I think I'm okay. Yes still stuck at 4mg. I just don't feel like I have the mental fortitude right now to continue, EXCEPT i was thinking that there is a good liklehood that I could get down further before withdrawal starts, maybe I could get down to 2mg at least before having to deal with w/d. So I think what I will do is set a goal of getting down to 2mg.

Sorry I haven't written in a couple days, had a cortisone injection in my thumb, OMG, I thought it was going to be no big deal, for two days the acute pain was worse than anything I can remember having done; throbbing, felt like a knife was stabbing my wristl. Finally better today. I didn't want to complain on your site, 'cause that is reserved for you at this point!

Melinda and I shared pictures via email. I would so nice to put a face to the names....would you be interested in doing that? Just let me know if you are.

Well, it's thundering a lightening and my lights are flickering so will sign off for now.

Take care, your doing great!

Hugs,

mags

PS-LINDA I'M GOING TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL, HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU FOREVER.

Hey Mags...Wow now that I think back thats pretty much when I started on the pain meds...I had a doctor that would give me 100 vic's and Valium with just a phone call...the good old days . I have had Migraines since I was 17 totally ,sucks I think this one was a sinus and migraine....then the back surgery ,shoulder and 5 knee surgeries and now fibro but I keep on going.....I think I'm remembering why I started taking more pain meds I really hate being in pain and my mid back is killing me but I will deal with it ...I do know that when I workout regular it helps after I get past the first few painfull sessions and right now going thru taper I don't want any add pain .

Hey we are all 29 and holding hehehe I would love to put a face with who I have been talking to.....are you on facebook Kameron found me thru Melinda there if not let me know ...thats were I have all my pics but I can e-mail them to u too.

Well I' sorry to hear you were in so much pain what did u do to your thumb...sorry to her u have fibro but don't let it hold u back on tapering just go slower....did i just say that me the on with no patience lol.

Well you take care of yourself and keep cheering I'm on day3 of my skip YEH!!!
Talk soon...
Big Hug back
Pam (skipper girl)

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam sorry but it was pretty funny I was reading it to Robert and I was laughing not at you but I use to take pain pills for just about anything...
kind of like well ya !!!
Thats what got us in trouble...LOL
Hope you had a good day...
I just got home.it was a long day...
Talk to you later, Melinda

Melinda you are right now that I read it it was pretty funny....but hey he asked what I use to take so I told him...
Boy it sure did get us in trouble...lol
Hey I'm on day 3 today even slept last nite...I just seem to get restless at night around 9pm....really hate that...
Oh I left you a message ...
Talk soon ,
Skipper Girl LOL

[Robert_325]

Glad to see you slept Pam. And you're feeling better, that is good news! Let me know how the day goes. God bless.

[tired2]

Hi Robert...well it's day 3 I slept great last night ... I do have the pain in my mid back but it makes me remember why I was on pain pills to begin with which doesn't have to do with the taper....
As far as the taper I just get restless around 9pm but this is every night....my leg are alittle restless but I think if I get off my but and do something it will go away....and all this rain doesn't help .....So what do you think Mr Robert....I keep going and I let you know how I am later today...

Thank's you are a God sent for helping so many people... I don't know how you do it but , I'm greatfull that you do help and care so much.....God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Guess we were typing at the same time. Just let me know later today or this evening how you're doing.

I think we are going to have a little back pain at this point in life. Hang in there. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Guess we were typing at the same time. Just let me know later today or this evening how you're doing.

I think we are going to have a little back pain at this point in life. Hang in there. God bless.

Robert....well it's about 10:00 pm here and so far most of my day was just lack of energy and crabby but it's been raining all day other than that doing well so far ....still have slight RLS which seems to happen every night around this time...hopefully this will go away when I'm off the sub's....unless the pill were masking this ********py RLS....

So has anyone done a silver after taking the last skip to 4 days ....

Well should I take my .25 tomorrow....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Robert....well it's about 10:00 pm here and so far most of my day was just lack of energy and crabby but it's been raining all day other than that doing well so far ....still have slight RLS which seems to happen every night around this time...hopefully this will go away when I'm off the sub's....unless the pill were masking this ********py RLS....

So has anyone done a silver after taking the last skip to 4 days ....

Well should I take my .25 tomorrow....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

Yep on both questions. Yes some people need a sliver during the four day skip and yes take .25mg tomorrow. Then it will be the four days.

This is it Pam! You finish the four days and you should be okay. You're NOT a loser if you need a sliver but don't do it unless you really need it. I'm sure you'll do fine. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Yep on both questions. Yes some people need a sliver during the four day skip and yes take .25mg tomorrow. Then it will be the four days.

This is it Pam! You finish the four days and you should be okay. You're NOT a loser if you need a sliver but don't do it unless you really need it. I'm sure you'll do fine. God bless.

Hi Robert....Thank God I made it past day three of the skip ...I even slept good...Ok here'e another dumb question so the last sliver after day 4 is needed for what reason....I just want to totally understand the process of stopping Sub's at the last part....

Ok this may sound real stupid but I get the half life being 24-72 hrs and having symtoms....what happens during the other half of the drugs life ...

Sorry for all the questions just me making sure I understand...
Thanks you so much for being so patient with me...


God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Robert....Thank God I made it past day three of the skip ...I even slept good...Ok here'e another dumb question so the last sliver after day 4 is needed for what reason....I just want to totally understand the process of stopping Sub's at the last part....

Ok this may sound real stupid but I get the half life being 24-72 hrs and having symtoms....what happens during the other half of the drugs life ...

Sorry for all the questions just me making sure I understand...
Thanks you so much for being so patient with me...


God Bless
Pam

Pam quit worrying about slivers. You aren't even where you need a sliver. We just misunderstood each other about the slivers.

When I said some people need a sliver during the four day skip, I didn't mean AFTER the four day skip was over. Once you get PAST the four days you shouldn't need a sliver anymore.

You're almost done with this. Don't worry about slivers. Don't worry about taking anything. Just focus on getting through the four days. Talk to me as you go forward. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam quit worrying about slivers. You aren't even where you need a sliver. We just misunderstood each other about the slivers.

When I said some people need a sliver during the four day skip, I didn't mean AFTER the four day skip was over. Once you get PAST the four days you shouldn't need a sliver anymore.

You're almost done with this. Don't worry about slivers. Don't worry about taking anything. Just focus on getting through the four days. Talk to me as you go forward. God bless.

Robert ...I think you miss understood what I was asking...I'm not worried about slivers etc...my only focus is the 4days which I'm not worring about.

Just wanted to understand how the rest of it's half life works never really understood it totally once you past the first part....I get the first half just thought there was more to the other half if there is even one ....Sorry I was just curious since I never really understood it...

I will keep in touch....

Thank you and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Pam .... I don't mind explaining the half life. It's easy to see why the w/d symptoms last so long when you understand the half life.

Buprenorphine half life can be from 36-72 hours or thereabouts. It can vary based on your metabolism, physical body make up, all kinds of things so it changes a little from one person to the next. But the 36-72 hours is accurate and that's why some people can reduce their dose every three days like you did for a while. But other people need a week or so between reductions. That's determined by the half life for that person.

Say the half life is 48 hours for you, then after 48 hours half the drug is out of your system. Then in another 48 hours half the remaining drug is gone, in another 48 hours another half is gone again and so on. It will eventually go down to zero as long as you don't take more. A sliver puts that .25mg back into your system for the whole half life process again. That's why I say take a sliver only if you need it.

When you figure in using subs for a long time you've got lots of subs accumulating on top of each other. It becomes impossible to tell exactly how long a person will be affected. But you've been on a small dose for a good while. That's why I always suggest the day skipping at the end. You won't have a lot of buprenorphine built up in your system as you've been tapering off a really low dose and then skipping days. It will work out just fine for you.

I will be surprised if you need anymore slivers at all. I personally think you are already done Pam. I think that you're done and you don't realize it yet. I bet your waiting to see if you make it and you won't have any problems to amount to anything. So I will be the first to congratulate you on being clean from opiates! You're clean date starts after your last day of subs. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Pam .... I don't mind explaining the half life. It's easy to see why the w/d symptoms last so long when you understand the half life.

Buprenorphine half life can be from 36-72 hours or thereabouts. It can vary based on your metabolism, physical body make up, all kinds of things so it changes a little from one person to the next. But the 36-72 hours is accurate and that's why some people can reduce their dose every three days like you did for a while. But other people need a week or so between reductions. That's determined by the half life for that person.

Say the half life is 48 hours for you, then after 48 hours half the drug is out of your system. Then in another 48 hours half the remaining drug is gone, in another 48 hours another half is gone again and so on. It will eventually go down to zero as long as you don't take more. A sliver puts that .25mg back into your system for the whole half life process again. That's why I say take a sliver only if you need it.

When you figure in using subs for a long time you've got lots of subs accumulating on top of each other. It becomes impossible to tell exactly how long a person will be affected. But you've been on a small dose for a good while. That's why I always suggest the day skipping at the end. You won't have a lot of buprenorphine built up in your system as you've been tapering off a really low dose and then skipping days. It will work out just fine for you.

I will be surprised if you need anymore slivers at all. I personally think you are already done Pam. I think that you're done and you don't realize it yet. I bet your waiting to see if you make it and you won't have any problems to amount to anything. So I will be the first to congratulate you on being clean from opiates! You're clean date starts after your last day of subs. God bless.

Robert.....Thank you so much for the info and all you time and patience you have had with me...I could never have done this without you and will never forget that you gave me my life back....

I will let you know how my 4days go which I'm sure I will be fine...now I can go tell my sub doctor I'm FREE no thanks to him since that will be day 4 when I see him.

Well the next will be the Benzo's ....that won't be any walk in the park from what I've heard...

Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

I wish that I could be a mouse in the corner of the room when you tell the dr you're done with subutex. I would like to see to see his immediate reaction.

You've done good Pam. Rest for a bit when you finish the subs. Then we'll start on the klonopin. It won't be all that bad doing it slowly. You know that I don't like w/d pain of any kind. We're too old for that. I prefer doing it the painfree way if possible. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I wish that I could be a mouse in the corner of the room when you tell the dr you're done with subutex. I would like to see to see his immediate reaction.

You've done good Pam. Rest for a bit when you finish the subs. Then we'll start on the klonopin. It won't be all that bad doing it slowly. You know that I don't like w/d pain of any kind. We're too old for that. I prefer doing it the painfree way if possible. God bless.

Robert wish you could be there to ....I will let you know what he says or actualy more the look on his face will be a Kodak moment....I love the way you think no w/d pain of any kind....Should I start a new thread or will we use the same for the benzo taper...
Pam

[Robert_325]

Wait until the subutex business is over. We can start a klonopin thread later. I think it will be better keeping it on different threads. Talk later. God bless.

[chose2live]

hi robert
and all

day 8 of suboxone..am already on a taper. 8ng total a day my head sweats constantly
i have goosebumps..blurred vision at times and confusion.

but anyway, june 15, today, is my birthday, and i am drug free. how cool
is that???
44 years old. i have a whole life time ahead of me.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by chose2live

hi robert
and all

day 8 of suboxone..am already on a taper. 8ng total a day my head sweats constantly
i have goosebumps..blurred vision at times and confusion.

but anyway, june 15, today, is my birthday, and i am drug free. how cool
is that???
44 years old. i have a whole life time ahead of me.

Hi chose2live... are you still on Subs.....your post is a little confusing say you are still on 8mg a day if so you need Robert to help you taper...how long ago did you strart the Subs....you really should not be having the symptoms you are describing....
Yes you do have a whole life ahead of you to live...and Happy B-Day ....
Pam

[tired2]

Robert...I just wanted you to know that I finally got a script for the Zomig ...just thought I'd let you know so hopefully that will work in the future for my headaches....didn't sleep to good last night but at least I was able to get back to sleep after 3 hours...sorta wierd it was like I woke up and my brain wouldn't shut down ...not to worried since I had sleep problems even on pills unless I took enough so i guess my body needs to relearn to act without opiates....
Thank's and God Bless
Pam

[Robert_325]

Glad you got the Zomig. That's been the best headache med I've ever used. I'll be shocked if it doesn't help you. God bless.

[brndout]

Hey, You did it, I knew that you would cuz you made up your mind -and Robert, Melinda, Mags etc... I am so proud of you and happy for you also. I loved taking that last .25, just seemed endless for some reason. Getting off of it reminds me of that story The Tortise and the Hare, where Rabbit loses because he runs so fast, gets tired, takes a nap and the Tortise keeps on going-plodding along -putting one foot in front of the other with his eyes fixed on the finish line. See, your just like the tortise -how's that for a compliment? Linda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by brndout

Hey, You did it, I knew that you would cuz you made up your mind -and Robert, Melinda, Mags etc... I am so proud of you and happy for you also. I loved taking that last .25, just seemed endless for some reason. Getting off of it reminds me of that story The Tortise and the Hare, where Rabbit loses because he runs so fast, gets tired, takes a nap and the Tortise keeps on going-plodding along -putting one foot in front of the other with his eyes fixed on the finish line. See, your just like the tortise -how's that for a compliment? Linda

Hey girl love that compliment only you could come up with that one...Thank's for all your support and the help with those lines ...I couldn't believe that whole episode totally brain dead I guess then a light bulb went off finally hehehehe ....I mention them to others to make it easier for those with the smaller doses etc... you guys have been great Robert, Melinda, Kameron ,Mags ( and all her cheering ) and everyone else for your support you have no idea how much you guys mean to me...
Robert you have put up with so much with me lets see God knows how many questions I threw at you ,oh and a spat here and there but you never gave up on me ...Robert you and Melinda have devoted so much of your time.... hopefully I can give some back.

Sorta funny I know I'm done but, I still find myself waiting for day 4 to come then I know I truely made it....still can't sleep well but I did use my pain meds to help me sleep ...I actually think it's more the Benzo's after reading that site benzo.org.uk that I have seen around the forum...

Well I'm not done yet now I still have the Benzo taper ...

Hey you need to send me some pics I need a face to go with you....Melinda and Mags have my other e-mail address so just use that one...Kameron sorta found me so I justwe finally saw each others pics... I have Robert and Melinda's.... Mags and I are working on it....
Wow I'm opiate FREE after 27 +yrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!YEH!!!!!!!
Chat soon,
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Glad you got the Zomig. That's been the best headache med I've ever used. I'll be shocked if it doesn't help you. God bless.

Robert... still need to pick you brain some more I go to the Sub doctor the 17th ....will I need to have him to give me anything different for the benzo taper...I only ask b/c I was reading that site that melinda posted benzo.org.uk and it mentions diazapam in the mix for tapering but I don;t know what your way is....after reading alot of it I'm wondering if alot of my problems are do to the fact I have been on the same dose for so long that my body can actually be having w/d due to the fact it's needs more and Klonopin is short acting and at just .05 it's half life is 18 - 50 hours which I take 4 per day but did up it at the end of my taper to sleep ( I know bad idea). However it doesn't help at all I took 3 last night and only slept 4 hrs I hate waking up at 2 and 3am it really sucks....so when I go back to see the doctor I just want to make sure I get what I need also plan to give him that site....It seems to have a ton of info I never new...
PS...I'm OPIATE FREE YIPPEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Thank's and God Bless

[melinda7.5]

Hi Pam

I just wanted to tell you how proud of you I am...I knew you could do it...
Us young 29 and holding young ladies still have some kick A$$ in us...

well be on to the benzos next...ugh ...I did that one to...

Talk to you later, Melinda

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam

I just wanted to tell you how proud of you I am...I knew you could do it...
Us young 29 and holding young ladies still have some kick A$$ in us...

well be on to the benzos next...ugh ...I did that one to...

Talk to you later, Melinda

Melinda ...Thank's it means so much coming from you...
So you finally came around that us young 29yr and holding and yes we still can kick A$$

I know the benzo's are next is it that bad....Robert said he doesn't believe in painfull w/d so I will put my life in his hands once again....

I have read that site benzo.org.uk I must say I have learned a lot from it boy a lot of reading....I want to take it to the doctor...I posted to Robert to see if I need anything else from the stupid doctor...

Ok how does that taper work...
It's great to be opiate free....Life is Great!!!!
Chat soon

[melinda7.5]

Hi Pam

Your benzo taper will be easy with Robert,I did mine before I found this forum and thought I was tough and went cold turkey off mine ...OH girl what a mistake...LOL...I wont tell you how I did...but if you taper it will be easy...

Talk with you soon, Melinda

PS I like your 29 and holding...LOL

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tired2

Robert... still need to pick you brain some more I go to the Sub doctor the 17th ....will I need to have him to give me anything different for the benzo taper...I only ask b/c I was reading that site that melinda posted benzo.org.uk and it mentions diazapam in the mix for tapering but I don;t know what your way is....after reading alot of it I'm wondering if alot of my problems are do to the fact I have been on the same dose for so long that my body can actually be having w/d due to the fact it's needs more and Klonopin is short acting and at just .05 it's half life is 18 - 50 hours which I take 4 per day but did up it at the end of my taper to sleep ( I know bad idea). However it doesn't help at all I took 3 last night and only slept 4 hrs I hate waking up at 2 and 3am it really sucks....so when I go back to see the doctor I just want to make sure I get what I need also plan to give him that site....It seems to have a ton of info I never new...
PS...I'm OPIATE FREE YIPPEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Thank's and God Bless

If your dr will give you diazepam (valium) instead of the klonopin that would be good. Klonopin half life is second longest behind valium. Don't make a big deal out of it though if he is argumentative.

Most drs don't know anything about the Ashton method for benzo detox. They will usually say to stop by dropping like 1mg every week or so. They usually do it entirely too fast trying to get you off over a month or two at the longest.

Benzo detox like an opiate detox in that we'll have to see how you do with reductions as we go along so we can make a plan that fits you. Get the valium if you can, if not we can do it with the klonopin.

I agree with you that unless the benzo dose is adjusted according to your level of tolerance you will go into w/d even doing as the dr orders. So the first thing we will do is get you stable on whatever dose it takes. Then we'll work our way down slowly.

Make sure your dr understands how we're doing your taper so he doesn't cause any problems for you getting the amount of klonopin or valium that you need. You may need a little extra right at first but then your dose will go down. I'm not sure you'll need more, just saying it's a possibility.

You'll do fine. I think you should get a week or so behind you off the subutex before we start the benzos. Get yourself a little rest for a few days and I'll be ready when you are. God bless.

[tired2]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Pam

Your benzo taper will be easy with Robert,I did mine before I found this forum and thought I was tough and went cold turkey off mine ...OH girl what a mistake...LOL...I wont tell you how I did...but if you taper it will be easy...

Talk with you soon, Melinda

PS I like your 29 and holding...LOL

Melinda....Oh I know what you mean I did the c/t a few years ago it was horriable....that was when my kids all at home the noise just from the tv sounded so loud....my head sorta felt like I was on speed everything racing it was not good....

I told Robert I see the Sub doctor tomorrow he wishes he could see his face when I tell him I'm done with the Subs and opiate free....

I knew you'd like that one...29 and holding....LOL
Talk soon,
Pam

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

If your dr will give you diazepam (valium) instead of the klonopin that would be good. Klonopin half life is second longest behind valium. Don't make a big deal out of it though if he is argumentative.

Most drs don't know anything about the Ashton method for benzo detox. They will usually say to stop by dropping like 1mg every week or so. They usually do it entirely too fast trying to get you off over a month or two at the longest.

Benzo detox like an opiate detox in that we'll have to see how you do with reductions as we go along so we can make a plan that fits you. Get the valium if you can, if not we can do it with the klonopin.

I agree with you that unless the benzo dose is adjusted according to your level of tolerance you will go into w/d even doing as the dr orders. So the first thing we will do is get you stable on whatever dose it takes. Then we'll work our way down slowly.

Make sure your dr understands how we're doing your taper so he doesn't cause any problems for you getting the amount of klonopin or valium that you need. You may need a little extra right at first but then your dose will go down. I'm not sure you'll need more, just saying it's a possibility.

You'll do fine. I think you should get a week or so behind you off the subutex before we start the benzos. Get yourself a little rest for a few days and I'll be ready when you are. God bless.

Robert....I actually printed the Ashton method and plan to in go in loaded with info... and yes I will give him all the info to read ....who knows maybe he will .I think if he knows I'm serious as I was with opiates and show him all the info along with asking him to please trust me and I need him to work with me ....Hopefully he will give me what I need....I will tell him I did the slow taper before from Klonopin and it did not work....so which me luck and say a prayer for me....How many mg do I need of the Valium will I need.

Well if he doesn't listen I tell him that I will find another doctor that will listen and help me.....this is my body and life and you can not put me on the same plan that is a standard plan ....we are all different.

I still have problems sleeping wish really sucks....but at least I'm done with the subs....I totally agree about giving my body a break for a week or so...
Thank you and God Bless
Pam