[matt4848]

Hello,

I'll try to keep this short and sweet-

Bad oxy addiction, about two years- then I went into outpatient treatment w/doctor's advice of 12mg sub to start (yea, I know, the clinic turned out to be a 'live the rest of your life on methadone' clinic.)

Anyway, I stopped the clinic about 5 months back due to the enormous $600 a month bill, and continued to buy subox from other sources.

about 3 weeks ago I finally got down to less than 1/16 of a 8mg per day, with the help of my father. I don't know exactly how much I was taking but he managed to make a 8mg pill last over three weeks. - Before that I was personally taking 1/8mg pill a day.

My question is, since I am now almost at the end of day two (as in three mornings ago was my last dose) how long can I expect these withdrawls to last.

When I was taking subox these last few months, I would wake up EVERY morning with some kind of withdrawls. I knew this because I tested a few days, where I would wait atleast two hours past my normal dose time, just to see if it was 'in my head'. Well it wasn't. Every day I would take the normal dose my father gave me (which was him cutting the smallest peice possible with a razor blade, if it was too big he would cut it again- my estimate would be somewhere around 1/25 of a 8mg pill a day)

Now, I am feeling what I would call moderate withdrawl. I have a very hard time getting to sleep, but I can after about 3 hours- for another 4-5 hours then wake, feeling extremely bad.

Hard to breathe, heart pounding, all the normal axeixity, symptoms, but however it is alot better than the extreme withdrawls I have felt from high doses of oxy -

I'm just having a really hard time trying to take any kind of food or OTC medicines.

no vomiting or anything, but the axiety is killing me.

Any help appreciated (seen as this will make my 3rd attempt to break the cycle)--

-Matt4848 - desperatly wants off suboxone-

[brndout]

Hi Matt - This is Linda and I was wondering -How long did you stay at each taper? I took my last .25 sub dose on April 18 so i know how it worked for me . I have been reading many posts and it just occured to me that it may have nothing to do with how low a dose you get to if your not stabalized at the prior one. I think thats what Robert has been trying to tell us. I have been noticing that toward the end people .myself included get tired of it and want done so they push it. I don't think our little orange frenamy responds to that. I don't know how you have been taking the subs during your taper but I know I was on .5 for a month and .25 for over three weeks having to take a sliver -very small .12 and start over trying to put 4 days together again. I don't think you shpuld ever reduce until you have gone through that little adjustment where you taper and then feel worse about 24 hours later and then feel a bit better again. I am not saying wait till you feel great cuz i'd still be waiting but you feel a bit better. Then stay at that dose for a couple of days and repeat the process. Also, take at the same time every day and if your interested i can tell you or your dad a way to get your doses pretty darn exact down to .06. Linda

[Robert_325]

Hi Matt ... I thought you had finally beaten this thing. Listen to me, don't just stop your subs cold, I don't care how low your dose is. You need to do a process of skipping days properly. And Linda is correct too above. You have to be stable at each level before you go to the next one.

Take your regular very small dose, then skip one day. Take that small dose again and then skip two days. Take that small dose again, then skip three days. Take the small dose again, then skip four days. Once you've got that four day skip under your belt without having w/d symptoms you are done.

If you start feeling badly during the three day skip, for example, you would take that small dose and start that period of three days over again. This is important. You need to make the two days, the three days, and the four day stretches without having symptoms or else you take that small dose again and start again the next day where you left off. Hope that helps. Stay in touch! God bless.

[brndout]

Hi -Robert I just wanted to say that we are doing OK -an adjustment to be sure and a big one between Kevin and I but we are hanging in . I wanted to say Congratulations on setting the date. Melinda seems to be very excited. I'm sure you are too but girls really get into these things. I may be mistaken and maybe you'd like to post all about your tux, decor, your colors, food, gift registry etc... You two make quite the team and we are very happy for you both- may your marrige be as blessed as you both have blessed all of us on this forum. I am sure I speak for everyone whom you both have helped or attempted to help -we love you both and appreciate your long, tedious hours answering the same questions again and again. Robert -your plan is great and I'm sure Melinda's is also but to me the difference is the non-judgemental and brutally honest connection you both have with us that pulls us through. That and really cool members on this site . Linda

[musicman48]

Skipping days in succession is crucial.Those in between days may be a little unpleasant but it will make this as comfortable as possible.Gl MM

[brndout]

Originally Posted by musicman48

Skipping days in succession is crucial.Those in between days may be a little unpleasant but it will make this as comfortable as possible.Gl MM

I think this is another key item in the success of this plan alot of other ones you read do not have this. Unpleasant it is -but for me a mental thing but imperative as you have to break that final compulsion of daily piill taking. Our minds are so trained , you'll be amazed that you'll find youself counting the hours so you can take a .25 dose just so you can take something. Pretty powerful

[matt4848]

Well, my other delma, is my father took control of this to get me off and now as far as hes concerned, I just need to feel whatever leftover w/d's-

However - Today - I don't know why, but I have no withdrawls- and it IS DAY FOUR.

My muscles are still sore, still have a little headache, but the shakes, the axeity has lifted. I still had a hard time sleeping, hour here hour there, last night, but what I call the 'cold in my viens' has lifted also, I have been through this three times, and I dont want to do it again- every time I go 2-3 days without I take it again, and get stuck again.

Other problem is my only source of subox is out untill next week. I knew this long in advance why I made my last one last so long.

I cannot get it for ATLEAST another 4 days, and by then I'm not taking it.

When I cold turkey'd off 80 oxys, the withdrawls only lasted for me, (atleast the unbearable parts) about 5 days. Today being day 4 off sub, feels like being a week off OXY's.

What I'm saying is today it has finally lowered to a bearable level. - Is this a fluke or am I going to go up and down like this for a while-

I have no choice. I cant get subox - unless I find a doctor, which I cant do.

Anyway today is good - I'm hoping it continues.

PS Rob- Thanks for all your help, quit the opiates along time ago, just cant seem to get my receptors working again

[Robert_325]

Matt ... if you've made it for four days and haven't taken anything with as low as your dose was you've maybe gone long enough that you're done. It's possible since you were taking almost nothing. Half life doesn't last past the fourth day very often. You would be getting worse instead of better if you were still in w/d. I say you should give it another day since you say you're really getting better. If you're not feeling w/d by tomorrow then 100% absolutely you are done with the subs. I hope that's the result for you for sure! Hang in there buddy. God bless.

[brndout]

Originally Posted by matt4848

Well, my other delma, is my father took control of this to get me off and now as far as hes concerned, I just need to feel whatever leftover w/d's-

However - Today - I don't know why, but I have no withdrawls- and it IS DAY FOUR.

My muscles are still sore, still have a little headache, but the shakes, the axeity has lifted. I still had a hard time sleeping, hour here hour there, last night, but what I call the 'cold in my viens' has lifted also, I have been through this three times, and I dont want to do it again- every time I go 2-3 days without I take it again, and get stuck again.

Other problem is my only source of subox is out untill next week. I knew this long in advance why I made my last one last so long.

I cannot get it for ATLEAST another 4 days, and by then I'm not taking it.

When I cold turkey'd off 80 oxys, the withdrawls only lasted for me, (atleast the unbearable parts) about 5 days. Today being day 4 off sub, feels like being a week off OXY's.

What I'm saying is today it has finally lowered to a bearable level. - Is this a fluke or am I going to go up and down like this for a while-

I have no choice. I cant get subox - unless I find a doctor, which I cant do.

Anyway today is good - I'm hoping it continues.

PS Rob- Thanks for all your help, quit the opiates along time ago, just cant seem to get my receptors working again

Hey - This is Linda and that is great news -by the time i made it that far it was pretty much home free. I'll be praying that this is it for you and it may very well be -let us know -thinking of you and your family linda

[matt4848]

eh, well spoke a little too soon, still having some of the bad blood pressure problems, but just keep telling myself its worth it.

its worth it just to be free -

Up and down all day, but its getting better - we shall see

-Matt

[matt4848]

Day 5.

... =D

Words cant explain this morning.

-Matt

[matt4848]

still having heart problems and 'icy viens' but it seems to slowly very slowly, going away-

hanging in there-

hoping tomorrow will be the day-

Matt

[musicman48]

Originally Posted by matt4848

still having heart problems and 'icy viens' but it seems to slowly very slowly, going away-

hanging in there-

hoping tomorrow will be the day-

Matt

Matt,You sound like you are doing a lot better than a person in full blown opiate detox.You should be close to being done.Good luck ! Keep us updated.MM

[matt4848]

still got no sleep, (less than hour or two)

and heart on day 5, STILL continues to rapidly beat- thats whats killing me-

if I could just get my heart to slow down- all the other symptoms have virtually gone, except the RLS and heart problems-

amazing how the human body can go 98 hours without sleep...

stillll... hanging in there...

just terrified that these will still be around when the suboxone becomes availble again- if that happens .................

matt