[Kauf]

I have a appointment tomorrow to get on suboxone and im scared to tell him I take 1mg of kladapin at night to help me sleep but I been buying them off the streets for 5 years and im scared he may tell me he wont prescribe me the suboxone untill im off the kladapin...I do want to get off it but I want him to help me taper but not sure that is something A Dr will do? So I guess im asking tell him or dont tell him?

[Kauf]

Anyone? I really need opinion's

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Kauf

Anyone? I really need opinion's

You're going to see a dr who deals with addicts every day. Do you think you will be the first person who he's seen on a klonopin? If he asks tell him the truth. He can always test you with a UA. You don't have to walk in the door immediately saying ,"I take klonopin" before he asks you but if he asks you tell him the truth. A dr is there to help you not to judge you. God bless.

[Kauf]

im sure it will be on the paper work and was just scared to get refused yet by another Dr the last 2 Dr I called said i would have to be off benzos for them to take me....though i buy my kpins on the streets and I am a addict it sure is not benzos it really does help me with my anxiety and sleep for the past 4 to 5 years and i never took more then 1mg and to tell you the truth i dont even think it works on me anymore but im scare if i quit I will go into a seizure but i dont wake up and say omg i need my kpin,sometimes i skip a day if i take to much opana so...i wish and hope he helps me taper off it, if it is on the paper work im going to say i just stoped taking it after 5 years 2 days ago and maybe he will tell me that i should not just quit that like that and help me with taper?



Thank you Robert it has been a bumpy road for me and my wife but we packed up and left our house and business to get away from all the people i hang with and im not sure if i ran from my issues or did the right thing but i feel i would of never got clean without doing it.i went from 4 to 5 opana 40s to 40mg op a day so we tapered down alot and it does not feel good but atleast im not going to od or something now wish i could taper off and not do subs but i have failed everythng being my own Doctor and im ready to let the doctors do there job and trust they will help us also we are going to be joining NA and counciling so our chances are much better..Thanks again and talk to you soon. God Bless .

[Robert_325]

If you've only been on 1mg then he could give you a script for something like Depakote and you would be able to stop the klonopin without risking seizures. Most drs give patients from rehabs subs and they will drug test you so they know what you're taking. Sub drs who prescribe subs to people off the street that just come to their office, it's probably a 50/50 chance they'll ask about benzos. If you want to say you're stopping the klonopin that is fine but I would tell him you're scared of seizures and that you need some depakote to protect you and he shouldn't have a problem with that. Depakote will work and you'll be totally clean doing that. You get an added bonus. It's not good to take benzos five years anyway, especially self-medicating. You just like klonopin and have become addicted to them. You even say they don't even help you anymore so get off the silly things! They are not good for you. So this could give you a double-whammy! God bless.

[Robert_325]

And if you can't sleep he could give a short term script for a low dose of seroquel or even an ambien for a month while you're getting over the klonopin but you should do that anyway.

[Kauf]

Hello everyone.

So went to my Doctor today and told him about everything....one thing I did not like about this Doctor was he prescribed me 3 8mg strips per day. I asked him how long would I be on the suboxone program and he said any ware from 3 months to 30 years.I was in full WD when I went to the Doctors and he gave me my script I went to walmart to buy it HOLY SMOKERS 700 bucks.. but all worth it Hell I spent more then that in a day on drugs. so I go back to the Doctors and he told me to start off with a 8mg strip he watched me place it in my mouth and walked out of the office soon as he did I took it out of my mouth and split it in half. waited maybe 45 mins still in WD he said to take another strip 8MG so the Doc opened it handed it to me and walked out of the office again so I did the same thing ripped it in half and put 4mg more in my mouth. So long story short this Doctor has his head stuck up his rectum but at least I got on the sub program..

as far as the kladapins I told him I been buying them off the streets like you said to and guess what?he gave me a script for them like it was nothing.. So at least I dont have to street search and im under a half rectum Doctor but at least I can be seen every few weeks to make \sure everything is going well.....


I do not plan on taking 3 24mg a day like my Doc wants im going to read your plan Robert and do my best to follow it very close with my wife's help and hope this time I do it im so sick of being handcuffed to pills and drug dealers.

all and all im very happy I finely got a doctor to help me but he just is not going to do things right with the subs but does he really need to know? he has been a Doc for 30 years if he does not have it by now I don't think I can change that but at least I got a good script to get me past this drug life im so sick of........

Also I thought when you are on Subs you have to do counseling?he never said anything about this so im going to look for some mental heath center to get some help.

Thanks all for listen to me and wish me luck ill keep in touch with the forum this time and take day by day and hope to make it this time.....

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Kauf

Hello everyone.

So went to my Doctor today and told him about everything....one thing I did not like about this Doctor was he prescribed me 3 8mg strips per day. I asked him how long would I be on the suboxone program and he said any ware from 3 months to 30 years.I was in full WD when I went to the Doctors and he gave me my script I went to walmart to buy it HOLY SMOKERS 700 bucks.. but all worth it Hell I spent more then that in a day on drugs. so I go back to the Doctors and he told me to start off with a 8mg strip he watched me place it in my mouth and walked out of the office soon as he did I took it out of my mouth and split it in half. waited maybe 45 mins still in WD he said to take another strip 8MG so the Doc opened it handed it to me and walked out of the office again so I did the same thing ripped it in half and put 4mg more in my mouth. So long story short this Doctor has his head stuck up his rectum but at least I got on the sub program..

as far as the kladapins I told him I been buying them off the streets like you said to and guess what?he gave me a script for them like it was nothing.. So at least I dont have to street search and im under a half rectum Doctor but at least I can be seen every few weeks to make \sure everything is going well.....


I do not plan on taking 3 24mg a day like my Doc wants im going to read your plan Robert and do my best to follow it very close with my wife's help and hope this time I do it im so sick of being handcuffed to pills and drug dealers.

all and all im very happy I finely got a doctor to help me but he just is not going to do things right with the subs but does he really need to know? he has been a Doc for 30 years if he does not have it by now I don't think I can change that but at least I got a good script to get me past this drug life im so sick of........

Also I thought when you are on Subs you have to do counseling?he never said anything about this so im going to look for some mental heath center to get some help.

Thanks all for listen to me and wish me luck ill keep in touch with the forum this time and take day by day and hope to make it this time.....

I can have you totally clean with that one script if you'll listen to me and you'll never have to return to that dr again. He is an idiot, obviously doesn't know what he is doing. Let me know what you want me to do. God bless.

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I can have you totally clean with that one script if you'll listen to me and you'll never have to return to that dr again. He is an idiot, obviously doesn't know what he is doing. Let me know what you want me to do. God bless.

Robert as long as I do not have to redo the WD I will def follow your plan but im scared I will have cravings after your plan do you think I will?


Also like I said in the last post but it was a little messy cause im so damn happy to not be on opiates of my choice I only took 8mg at most im really not sure how much i took out of my mouth on the first strip but I know it was allot and the 2 one I took half so i think im ware I need to be I don't feel high I just feel good maybe high on life.GOD BLESS talk to you let me know what I need to do over the next week also can you give me the link to all your program post.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Kauf

Robert as long as I do not have to redo the WD I will def follow your plan but im scared I will have cravings after your plan do you think I will?


Also like I said in the last post but it was a little messy cause im so damn happy to not be on opiates of my choice I only took 8mg at most im really not sure how much i took out of my mouth on the first strip but I know it was allot and the 2 one I took half so i think im ware I need to be I don't feel high I just feel good maybe high on life.GOD BLESS talk to you let me know what I need to do over the next week also can you give me the link to all your program post.

You ARE on opiates, subs are an opiate. Now you're taking 12mg, which is about 3-4 times too much. I told you that I would help you but I can't help you working YOUR program. If you want to do this my way I can help you. You don't need any 12 mg of subs. You'll end up getting addicted to the subs and you'll be back asking for help getting you off the subs. Just watch, I've seen it too many times. And when you get addicted to subs it's worse than any pain pill addiction. You'll wish that you listened to me. Your dr just set you up to be another victim. God bless.

[shadowwally]

Hey Kauf!
Robt isn't going to put you in precip and you know that's the worst!
He'll just get you off faster. You know the drill.
Glad you got the script for klonopin.
How's the wife?
Marian

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You ARE on opiates, subs are an opiate. Now you're taking 12mg, which is about 3-4 times too much. I told you that I would help you but I can't help you working YOUR program. If you want to do this my way I can help you. You don't need any 12 mg of subs. You'll end up getting addicted to the subs and you'll be back asking for help getting you off the subs. Just watch, I've seen it too many times. And when you get addicted to subs it's worse than any pain pill addiction. You'll wish that you listened to me. Your dr just set you up to be another victim. God bless.

Robert sorry I have a hard time saying things on the internet spelling sucks,
This is what happen at Dr office

1 he had me place a 8mg strip under my tongue
2 he left office soon as he did that
3 I took it our of my mouth but it was in there for a min or less so im guess about 4mg stayed there

4 he gave me another 8mg he thought I placed it in my mouth but I didnt I put in my pocket and told him I felt good left his office and needed more then I got off the first strip so I took 4mg more so total mg is only 8mg not 12 and My way was much better then the DR way and now I want it your way but I did what I had to do at the office to please the DR or he would of not treated me like he said to me your under my care you have to do what I SAY so I played it off as I knew that was way to much....


Last time I was on subs I ended up on 6mg and never felt right at this dose I feel much better so I think 8mg is about where I needed to be but if you think different let me know but I did what I had to do at the time.....im not looking to play DR I just do not want to fail anymore,.let me know what you want me to do and we will take it from there and hope this explains things better.....

[Kauf]

(im so damn happy to not be on opiates of my choice) Not sure what you was reading but I never said I was not on a opiate.

Hi,

Good luck to you! I was sober 7 years in AA and went on a 2 week bender with my ex and freaked out cause i thought i would withdrawl. I was so scared instead of toughing it out, if there even would of been a w/d, which i doubt he gave me subs. It was great. I started taking close to 14-16mg a day and got addicted to that feeling. These things are SUPER strong. I am grateful i saw my pattern so within about a 6 weeks time i realized what was happening and came to this site and now i am tapering off the damn things. Robert is THE BEST! He knows what he is talking about. He has been my guide and i am now down to .70. This is no joke. These things are addicting if you take them in large doses. I am living proof. By the grace of God i realized what i was doing. I could kick myself in the butt for even taking them but it is what it is. I am just grateful i am now down to .70 and will taper down again on Monday! Please Please trust Robert with this. I know you are clean off of YOUR opiate of choice but trust me this is a strong opiate as well. I wish u all the best in your taper and i would not go any other way but Robert's way!

God Bless.

[shadowwally]

Originally Posted by Kauf

(im so damn happy to not be on opiates of my choice) Not sure what you was reading but I never said I was not on a opiate.

K-
What ya need to know? Last time your legs were awful!!! I so remember that. I know you know how to use the subs.
Do you need the links?
Remember the cowsheet last time? What a hoot! You aren't there now and that's great!
Lost your number cause I moved.
What's going on in your family? Daughter, son, wife?
Business? Still a lot of temptation there?
you know this back and forwards, way better than i do, but i do know you want to be clean.
Let me know if there's anything i can do.
Love ya!
Marian

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by Bean222

Hi,

Good luck to you! I was sober 7 years in AA and went on a 2 week bender with my ex and freaked out cause i thought i would withdrawl. I was so scared instead of toughing it out, if there even would of been a w/d, which i doubt he gave me subs. It was great. I started taking close to 14-16mg a day and got addicted to that feeling. These things are SUPER strong. I am grateful i saw my pattern so within about a 6 weeks time i realized what was happening and came to this site and now i am tapering off the damn things. Robert is THE BEST! He knows what he is talking about. He has been my guide and i am now down to .70. This is no joke. These things are addicting if you take them in large doses. I am living proof. By the grace of God i realized what i was doing. I could kick myself in the butt for even taking them but it is what it is. I am just grateful i am now down to .70 and will taper down again on Monday! Please Please trust Robert with this. I know you are clean off of YOUR opiate of choice but trust me this is a strong opiate as well. I wish u all the best in your taper and i would not go any other way but Robert's way!

God Bless.

Thanks for the kind words but im not sure what I said wrong that said I ddint want to follow Roberts plan matter facted I been waiting for him to tell me what to do but it is going on day 2 waiting//....//././. tomorrow Im going to bring myself down to 6mg to see how I feel but in no way and im going to just stop taking subs and put myself back into WD and be sick all over I can not handle doing that again.... hell im at 8mg and im still craving drugs so no clue what going down is going to help I know what I was doing when I got to the 8mg I did the subs before and followed Roberts plan and relapsed after I was done with the subs...........


Robert im not trying to be a know it all here I would really like your help but I can not seem to get A answer on what you want me to do and im not about to put my progress of being clean on hold and taking a chance of going back to drugs.hell im tired I need some sleep Robert if you can please give me advice on how to proceed I will do my best to backtrack to what you think is best but I cant do it if you wont post it.

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by shadowwally

K-
What ya need to know? Last time your legs were awful!!! I so remember that. I know you know how to use the subs.
Do you need the links?
Remember the cowsheet last time? What a hoot! You aren't there now and that's great!
Lost your number cause I moved.
What's going on in your family? Daughter, son, wife?
Business? Still a lot of temptation there?
you know this back and forwards, way better than i do, but i do know you want to be clean.
Let me know if there's anything i can do.
Love ya!
Marian

Hello Marian, Im feeling fine other then some cravings matter fact I have not felt this good in along time even when I was on subs last time I never felt right this time I do and im on 8mg going to move down to 6mg but I dont see how that will help me with the cravings ........

Ill try to figure out how to get my number to you im not sure how we can do that ill have to figure it out.........Miss you.....going to bed before I exsplode im so pissy right now....seems like I did something wrong here even though the damn Doctor is the one who did the wrong I did what I thought was best at the time hell I would of been so sick if he watch and made me do 3 strips like he scribe me....I was lucky he turned his head............Good night talk to you tomorrow

[shadowwally]

K-
Think I found your e-mail address.
Let me know if you get it.
Take care!
Marian

[shadowwally]

was a temp at gmail you set up.
Since I moved I can't seem to find anything!
Marian

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by kauf

hello marian, im feeling fine other then some cravings matter fact i have not felt this good in along time even when i was on subs last time i never felt right this time i do and im on 8mg going to move down to 6mg but i dont see how that will help me with the cravings ........

Ill try to figure out how to get my number to you im not sure how we can do that ill have to figure it out.........miss you.....going to bed before i exsplode im so pissy right now....seems like i did something wrong here even though the damn doctor is the one who did the wrong i did what i thought was best at the time hell i would of been so sick if he watch and made me do 3 strips like he scribe me....i was lucky he turned his head............good night talk to you tomorrow

6206704048

Hi,

Please forgive me if u came off rude. I so was not trying to. I can tell an feel
How bad u want to get clean and I understand not wanting to go through those damn w/d. So please know I was not being rude or anything of th sort. I just know Robert can help you and we all Havw had our share of relapses, I know I have. Just wanted to clear that up so u didn't think I was not pulling for you, cause I am. Stay positive and take it a day at a Time. you will do great.

God bless.

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by Bean222

Hi,

Please forgive me if u came off rude. I so was not trying to. I can tell an feel
How bad u want to get clean and I understand not wanting to go through those damn w/d. So please know I was not being rude or anything of th sort. I just know Robert can help you and we all Havw had our share of relapses, I know I have. Just wanted to clear that up so u didn't think I was not pulling for you, cause I am. Stay positive and take it a day at a Time. you will do great.

God bless.

Thanks. Bean it means a lot having supports for sure.......the one thing I did different this time was I gave up everything and moved across thee country so I have. No drug dealing friends so my chances are much greater I think

[shadowwally]

Whoa!!!!
You moved! Good for you!
Got what you posted...
Thx
Marian

[shadowwally]

K-
Contacted you, but I'm sure you are probably asleep.
I know how bad your legs were last time on the subs.
You know, I know, I don't know diddly about subs....but I do know about cravings.
I cannot imagine that there truly is a magic pill (or strip) that will take away those.
I taught pre-school yesterday and today......I am telling you the honest to gosh truth here.....if I had a pill in my house right now, I would take it I hurt so bad.....
but it wouldn't help me long term and I know it.
My choices with the MS have always been the same....up or off.
Up leads to tolerance and then to off which means withdrawal again and I cannot go there again! Just can't! I'm not saying never, cause nobody should let their
guard down that much.
I just know that I'm not sure I'd make it all the way back physically and mentally if I had to go through all that again. It was a darn miracle the last time. Thanks to this forum.
But I also know that sometimes I feel like I would sell my soul for some relief from the pain......not always, just sometimes.....and so I do crave the pills.
They just don't work. Not long term. As a matter of fact, in the long run, they make me hurt a whole lot more.
So if you told me, that subs take away pain, cravings, tolerance........aaaah! Where would I be?
Dead.
Well, that was kind of dramatic, but you get my point don't you? I don't think the subs are going to take away the triggers and cravings. They will keep the physical w/d's away to a very great extent.
I just don't see, and never have, an easy way out of addiction. Subs help, you know it and I know it. I believe you have made the right choice in taking them.
But as far as the cravings go......I think you and I and everyone else have the same battle to fight, and the same choice to make each and every day.
For today....I will be clean. Just for today.
I know what you've lost......your family struggles and disapointments. The highs, the lows....the constant pressure you have been under.
I understand, because I have them also......as we all do in one way or the other.
So you have to go to the basics to fight the cravings.....NA, AA, what the heck ever.
I used NA.
My brother's used AA.
To get off the fentanyl patches I used; in your words to someone else.....ddc.com, rinse, repeat, .......I laughed so hard at that post of yours.
Seriously tho, I'm not sure if I hadn't had 14 years of NA backing me up that ddc would have been enough for me. That's just me tho. One of my best friends here got clean just using this forum. I just happen to know all the pressure you are under.....which makes me think maybe you need a support group of some kind.
I also know your business has held you back from that.
So alls I'm really saying my friend is that I hear you!
You wanta get clean.
You wanta not crave.
Join my world
Love ya buddy!
Check your phone.
Marian

[Kauf]

Robert can you please reply to me. Im at 6mg 3mg am 3 mg pm I called my Doctor to tell him im still having cravings and guess what lol he told me to take 4 8mg A day what a joke. so I have no help there for sure.....My body feels ok other then my legs are sore from the walks Ibeen taking but other then that I feel good...will you please let me know what I should do from here...if you do not want to help me cause I did things my way (only cause I had no choice or the doctors way) that is fine just let me know and I will look at other options but I would love for you to help me.

[Kauf]

Also Robert im nerves that my Doctor can tell that im not taking 4 8mg a day by checking levels or is that something that can not be done they can only check to make sure it is in my system?? not sure what to do cause I realy need this Doctor for other reasons then Suboxone right now.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Kauf

Also Robert im nerves that my Doctor can tell that im not taking 4 8mg a day by checking levels or is that something that can not be done they can only check to make sure it is in my system?? not sure what to do cause I realy need this Doctor for other reasons then Suboxone right now.

There is no law against tapering. Tell him that you got sick taking what he told you to take. That guy is an idiot anyway telling you to take 32mg! That's pure stupidity!

I haven't blown you off, I'm just having computer issues for the next several days. Mine is dead, I'm dropping it off after church tomorrow and having to use another computer as it's available to me until I get mine back.

If you're at 6mg I would stay there the first week. Get past the opiate detox. Then reduce your dose by 25% every four days. But allow your body time to get over the original detox first. Hope that helps. God bless.

[Kauf]

after moving down to 6mg im getting really bad RLS but I also took some long walks but it just seems off that when I did this cut my legs fall apart..Do you think I should go up to 7mg Robert or give it another day to see how I feel?

Is there anyone I can report this Doctor to? I feel like he is setting me up for a worse drug addiction that I already have? If i was to tell him im tapering down I do be-leave he would not let me stay with his office so telling him that will only put my back on the streets and he is the only Doctor so far that I found that is willing to help me with the Kladapin the rest just said sorry we cant help you.

[Denny_D]

Originally Posted by Kauf

after moving down to 6mg im getting really bad RLS but I also took some long walks but it just seems off that when I did this cut my legs fall apart..Do you think I should go up to 7mg Robert or give it another day to see how I feel?

Is there anyone I can report this Doctor to? I feel like he is setting me up for a worse drug addiction that I already have? If i was to tell him im tapering down I do be-leave he would not let me stay with his office so telling him that will only put my back on the streets and he is the only Doctor so far that I found that is willing to help me with the Kladapin the rest just said sorry we cant help you.

Hi Kauf ..... I know that Robert is is most likely in Church at the moment and has also been having computer issues as well. I just wanted you to know and understand that you are in the best hands possible! Robert has done this with the Subs literally thousands of times and he will get you right back on track!

I would do just as he told you to do in his last post to you and remain on the 6 mg dose until he tells you to do something different ok? You can really over-think the situation if you let your mind wander. Robert knows what he's doing and he will be get to you as quick as he can do it.

I'm sure that when he gets home from Church and is able to have the use of a computer that he will post to you right away ok? So please just try to relax a bit and wait until Robert is here to guide you further. I'm pulling for you just as is many others as well! God Bless....Denny

[Kauf]

Originally Posted by Denny_D

Hi Kauf ..... I know that Robert is is most likely in Church at the moment and has also been having computer issues as well. I just wanted you to know and understand that you are in the best hands possible! Robert has done this with the Subs literally thousands of times and he will get you right back on track!

I would do just as he told you to do in his last post to you and remain on the 6 mg dose until he tells you to do something different ok? You can really over-think the situation if you let your mind wander. Robert knows what he's doing and he will be get to you as quick as he can do it.

I'm sure that when he gets home from Church and is able to have the use of a computer that he will post to you right away ok? So please just try to relax a bit and wait until Robert is here to guide you further. I'm pulling for you just as is many others as well! God Bless....Denny

thankks, i have worked with Robert b4 i just have always fell off the wagon, this time I did something different i moved across country with my wife and kidws and pretty much do not have any contaacted from home.


can you baleave this Doctor really wants me to take 32mg what the hell is wrong with these doctors do they really think I need that or do they gain something from getting people hooked on it?I asked the Doctor how long will I be on it he told me from 3 months to 30 years as if he has no short term goal for me.