[smooth618]

My name is Dave I was told that a person named Robert could help me get of Subs. I take 1/2 pill in morning then a quater at lunch then again around diner. I work full-time sometimes weekends so can't be in heavy withdraw at work lol that would not go well. I fell tired alot but really want off. I did pers and roxys for about 5 months and never want to take again, Please help me come off subs the best way with not to much withdraw signs at work i do have a 3 day weekend coming up for memorial day I will log on later as I am at work now. Please ask me anything you need to know to help me my friend Roy said you really helped him

Dave
email is dmarotto@gmail.com

[Robert_325]

First thing you should do is eliminate the lunch hour dose. You should reduce your daily dose by 25% for the taper and that works out perfect. I'll help you do this, seems I remember Roy too. But stay on the morning and dinnertime doses for four days. Then we'll cut a little off the morning dose and you'll stay there for four days. In no time you'll be totally clean. God bless.

[smooth618]

thanks Robert I will start skipping lunch time dose tomorrow wish me luck. Is it normal to start sweating thats why I take the lunch dose I just want my normal life back. I hurt my back and thats how this started but soon I was taking and my back was ok I have a job during the week thats in a office so I never get time to just chill and have a painting business on most week ends so just want to get off and get back to normal. any other tips that could help any suppliments to take is caffine ok or bad when on subs

[Robert_325]

A cup of coffee is okay, don't get carried away. Try to just follow the taper, you shouldn't need a bunch of supplements at least not now. Let's see how you do following the regular suggestions first. God bless.

[smooth618]

I have doing a 5 hour energy shot in morning should I not take that

[Robert_325]

I personally don't like the energy drinks but I don't base that comment on anything but my personal preferences. I figure if someone has abused drugs for a while and they are worried about an energy drink then it's getting too picky. I wouldn't drink a package full of them but I doubt drinking one would be any worse for you than it would be for anyone else. I personally think exercise is better for giving you healthy energy. God bless.

[smooth618]

I was able to skip the lunch dose I felt a little wierd for a bit then it passed. I had my dinner dose just a quater and hit the Gym. I hope each day gets better when do I reduce the next dose

Dave

[smooth618]

Didnt do as well today had to take a little bit at lunch not sure why I have been taking half pill in morning but I think I could cut that in half because when I take a quater pill at night I am fine till morning. I take a dose around 7:30 in morning then around lunch I started to fell really bad and being I am at work I had to do something so I took a half of a quater of a pill and was ok till night dose. any advice also is one pill 8 mg I really just want to get off as painless as I can I hav to work all weekend but have a 3 day weekend for memorial day so at least I will have soem days off I can handle the feeling a little bad when not at work but I know from reading yor post that u really can make this work for me and that I should start feeling much bettter ok hope I make sense I will see ifyou replyed b4 I go to bed and check tomorrow just want to have a normal day and do this correct.

Dave

[Robert_325]

Dave .... very simple. Even up your doses. Take the same amount TWICE a day and STOP that third dose. Take 3mg twice per day. Subs have too long of a half life for you to need three doses. You're just dealing with taking "something .. anything" .. it's addictive behavior, has nothing to do with the subs. I know I'm right. Take two doses ONLY tomorrow. God bless.

[smooth618]

Hey Robert

Just so I do this correvt 3 mg would be a quater of a pill and a half of a quater of a pill = 3mg I guess each pill is 8 mg according to bottle it says 8mg-2mg. thanks so much for all the help my birthday is june 18th I hope to be a free man by then from these pills.

Good night

[smooth618]

Hey Robert see above question just want to be sure I am doing correct oh so far ok missing lunch dose must be a mind thing but I do get Sweaty its strange LOL

[smooth618]

Hey Robert I barlet made to my diner dose started feeling really sick I have only been on subs for 3 weeks and 5 days maybe I should be at half a pill in morn and same at night seems like I am having trouble getting stable I know that if I can find that I can do this I would love to just jump off but except it will take time today started sweating got headache and felt nauese and tired after dose I felt better my dr really dosn't seem to know much what should I do my friend I feel like I am going backwards and this weekend I am working my side business painting so at least I will be busy and my busiss partner is my sponsor for AA I have not had a drink for 15 years but when my back felt better from the injury I stopped meds and HELLO got sick and the rest is history

Ok talk to u soon need to eat a little and see if the Yankees are winning

Your friend Happy Grateful Dave

[Robert_325]

I just deleted the message I wrote to you a few minutes ago while you were writing this post. GO ahead and take 4mg in the morning and 4mg at the late afternoon. I want you to get stable. Then we'll go from there. Stay in touch, let me know how it goes tomorrow at 8mg. God bless.

[smooth618]

ok I still need to take a sliver in afternoon or I get wds is there some way to start over, I hate this I have a side business that I do and I have some Great ideas but I am waiting to get off this ******** to do them I want off so bad AAAAGGGGGHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Sorry I am at work going to gym then will sign on Robert why is this so hard for me I am getting depressed. Oh well one day at a tiime Brother

Dave

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by smooth618

ok I still need to take a sliver in afternoon or I get wds is there some way to start over, I hate this I have a side business that I do and I have some Great ideas but I am waiting to get off this ******** to do them I want off so bad AAAAGGGGGHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Sorry I am at work going to gym then will sign on Robert why is this so hard for me I am getting depressed. Oh well one day at a tiime Brother

Dave

I've been traveling but I'm back now. OK you'll notice I asked you to take 4mg twice each day. Did you take that yesterday and doing it today? Tell me EXACTLY what you've taken the last couple days. Are you taking 8mg plus slivers too? I don't understand what you're taking now.

I want you to RELAX! I'm going to walk you through this. I need you to do just as I ask you to do though. We've only been talking a few days and at first you indicated you were doing the subs three times per day. I want to get you on track the right way. Talk to me. God bless.

[smooth618]

HI Robert,

Ok I have been doing half pill in morning 7:30am Then between 12 and 2 pm I start to sweat and feel like I am getting Flu so I take less then a quater and feel ok then at dinner I take the half again. here is some things I may have left out when I wake up I usally feel ok but once I get going I feel like I need something also it seems like aloot of the medicine gets in my salava and I sometimes ended up swallowing not on purpose at night I usally feel my best I hit the gym when I can I am in pretty good shape I use to be a powerlifter. maybe I am feeling bad because I am taking to much or do u think I am just nuts I have a three day weekend coming up so I can do my best to skip the afternoon dose it is hard when I am at work and helping customers and begin to feel sick. I have a second job on weekend painting so after this weekend will not have a day off for about 3 weeks I also work some nights at my regular job . I could try just taking a quater of pill in morning see how that feels. is there anything else i could do to help myself i am very active person. oh I do drink alot of caffine that seems to help also I noticed I feel sleepy after some doses . ok my friend hope I made sense got to get back to working

Thanks Robert hope I get this right soon
Dave

[Robert_325]

Suboxone has a half life between 36-72hours. How can a person become ill after a few hours with an adequate dose? It's impossible, it's in your head. I swear it is even though what you're feeling is real.

Our mind can play serious tricks on us. We can feel things that are fabrications of our imagination, fears, worries, habits, whatever. I promise you that during your three day weekend if you'll do what I say we'll fix this problem. You're just trippin thinking that you have to take this medicine all day long because you're used to taking pills all day. I know that I'm right.

I can get you taking your medication twice a day and finally it will be down to one time and then skipping days. Taking subs three times in a day is addictive behavior and you'll NEVER stop until you get past this. There is just NO reason to take subs three times a day. Is this coming weekend your three day weekend? Because if it isn't then we need to do this anyway. God bless.

[SILVER BULLET]

I'll start off by letting you know my back ground. I was using 13 30mg oxy a day for about 6 months. I get 3-4 Kidney stones a month. So I Started yesterday 5-18-09 taking my induction. I went to 6 2mg tablets. He told me take 4 more 2mg before bed. Then to take 2 more at any problems in the night. Then to take 4 in the morning and two mid day. He stated my begining maint. dose is going to be 24mg.
After reading everything, this is high.
Right now, 3 pm and it's been since 6am since I took my 4 and I have no problems.

Please help me with a quick taper so I don't get strong withdrawls.

Thank You for your help.
Travis

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SILVER BULLET

I'll start off by letting you know my back ground. I was using 13 30mg oxy a day for about 6 months. I get 3-4 Kidney stones a month. So I Started yesterday 5-18-09 taking my induction. I went to 6 2mg tablets. He told me take 4 more 2mg before bed. Then to take 2 more at any problems in the night. Then to take 4 in the morning and two mid day. He stated my begining maint. dose is going to be 24mg.
After reading everything, this is high.
Right now, 3 pm and it's been since 6am since I took my 4 and I have no problems.

Please help me with a quick taper so I don't get strong withdrawls.

Thank You for your help.
Travis

I can't believe the way some of these drs tell patients to take subs. Those are some dumb instructions. You don't need to take subs throughout the day and night, twice a day is it. 24mg is ignorant.

When you say you took 4 I'm assuming that is 8mg? That should be enough for the entire day. Let me know in mg what you've taken. I was taking thirty 30mg roxies a day for a LONG time. I know the subs will work for you in a smaller dose.

Did you read my sub therapy link. Check it out so you'll see what I'm talking about. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[SILVER BULLET]

Yes you were correct 8mg, I only have 2mg tablets. I am now sweating really bad, and started having bad stomach cramps, but I'm holding off as long as I can to do anything about it.
Yes I have read it and I got this from it I was stabilized at 20mgs. So my 25% reduction is 16mg, or 8mgs x2 daily. I don't want this too take longer then it should but I also don't want to do the wrong thing. I know some or little withdrawl is going to happen, I just don't want it to be like what I've read.
Thank you for your help and information

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SILVER BULLET

Yes you were correct 8mg, I only have 2mg tablets. I am now sweating really bad, and started having bad stomach cramps, but I'm holding off as long as I can to do anything about it.
Yes I have read it and I got this from it I was stabilized at 20mgs. So my 25% reduction is 16mg, or 8mgs x2 daily. I don't want this too take longer then it should but I also don't want to do the wrong thing. I know some or little withdrawl is going to happen, I just don't want it to be like what I've read.
Thank you for your help and information

First off you need to get 8mg pills. The 2mg cost almost as much as the 8mg do. The 2mg are just money makers. Tell the dr you want 8mg pills. He has you taking 10 pills a day if you took 20mg. That's silly.

I've only stabilized one person in my life that needed 20mg. I'm serious. I don't believe you needed 20mg to stabilize. It only took 8mg to stabilize ME! I had a guy about a week ago who was stabilized at 24mg. I had him stop for 1 1/2 days, re-inducted him myself at 6mg. He will be off completely within weeks now.

I'm tempted to tell you to stop everything, don't take anything for a day or two and us do this totally over again so you're at the right dose. There is no way you should have stabilized at 20mg. W/D is NOT just going to happen. You still aren't stable if you're feeling w/d. You've only done this for one day. I'm serious, I think you would be better off to stop completely and let me induct you properly at the correct dose. God bless.

[SILVER BULLET]

Oh I did make a mistake, I was tapered at 5 2mg pills. Then told me to take 4 more 2mg pills before bed then 4 2mg pills in the moring and 4 2mg pills at night. He said I will be on 8mg twice a day. With that I apologize, I just read through my notes I wrote down. I will still stop taking what he recommended and wait to see what you say, and possibly wait to Thursday.

Thank you again and sorry for the mistake

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SILVER BULLET

Oh I did make a mistake, I was tapered at 5 2mg pills. Then told me to take 4 more 2mg pills before bed then 4 2mg pills in the moring and 4 2mg pills at night. He said I will be on 8mg twice a day. With that I apologize, I just read through my notes I wrote down. I will still stop taking what he recommended and wait to see what you say, and possibly wait to Thursday.

Thank you again and sorry for the mistake

The amount you stabilized at is the total amount you took for the first day total. Was that 20mg or 10mg? 20mg is stupid, so is 16mg. If you are only on the second day and you're at 20mg yesterday then I would stop completely and let me redo this entire thing with you. I mean it, you're setting yourself up for misery at that kind of dose. You'll end up like the horror stories you read about hear. Tell me how much you took total yesterday. God bless.

[smooth618]

Hey Robert this weekend is a 3 day weekend yes so what should I do there where some post after yours not sure if you put there for me to read. just tell me what to do this weekend and I will do it.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by smooth618

Hey Robert this weekend is a 3 day weekend yes so what should I do there where some post after yours not sure if you put there for me to read. just tell me what to do this weekend and I will do it.

Talk to me again on Thursday night or Friday morning. Tell me then exactly what you've taken the two previous days. We'll make a plan from there. I'll be looking for you. God bless.

[SILVER BULLET]

From 4pm yesterday to 5 pm today, as the doctor ordered I have taken 32mg. This was his instructions, after the int 10 mg I was to take 4mg in a hour then before bed 8mg, then 10mg when I wake up. I was just doing what I was told. I wish to do this your way. So I will not be taking anymore til I'm advised to. Please let me know what course to take with this.

Thank You

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SILVER BULLET

From 4pm yesterday to 5 pm today, as the doctor ordered I have taken 32mg. This was his instructions, after the int 10 mg I was to take 4mg in a hour then before bed 8mg, then 10mg when I wake up. I was just doing what I was told. I wish to do this your way. So I will not be taking anymore til I'm advised to. Please let me know what course to take with this.

Thank You

Hey Travis .... I'm proud of you for making that decision. That shows me you're really serious about doing this the right way. I want you to read another thread. It's with the other guy who I had him stop taking subs and start over again too. You can ask him how it's gone since doing this. It will make you feel a whole lot better about this. Here is the link to his thread. Talk to Freshstart. He will tell you how well this has gone.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/need-talk...ion-52696.html

I know that this isn't your fault. I know you've taken what you were told to take. It's just that you were told the wrong thing just like freshstart was. He was taking Roxies too like you and me.

I want you to stop everything right now. Understand you're going to go right back into w/d. I'm going to let you get well into detox and then I'm going to pull you right out so easily it will blow you away. Trust me Travis. That's all I can tell you. I won't let you down I promise. Stay in touch and talk to freshstart. God bless.

[SILVER BULLET]

How long do you want me into w/d, and what type of symptoms do you want me to tell you about?

[SILVER BULLET]

I 'm reading freshstart now, I should let you know the last time I took anything was at 6 am 5-19-09 Tuesday Morning. It was 8mgs

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SILVER BULLET

How long do you want me into w/d, and what type of symptoms do you want me to tell you about?

I want you to pull up the following link. This is called the COWS (clinical opioid withdrawal scale) worksheet. This is how you score yourself to determine if you are really ready or not for induction. Do you have anyone who could help you score yourself?

http://www.suboxone.com/pdfs/OWR.pdf

You need to score a minimum of a 26 when you add up your symptoms. You've got to help me with this induction. We'll have to do it together. I will be talking with you and you'll have to score yourself. You'll tell me how you're doing and when you know you've reached a 26 we'll begin. It will be sometime tomorrow late. DON'T take anything else until we agree that it's time.

It's very important that you do this right. If you start too soon you'll go into precipitated w/d. In other words you'll get sick. It almost sounds like that is what happened to you yesterday. You're still sick and you've taken 32 mg already. Freshstart had the same thing happen. He got sick with his dr too. I promise that won't happen when you and I do this together. Hope that helps. God bless.