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06-07-2009, 09:50 PM
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Bellabard,
You need to calm down and focus on this. You need to understand that Robert can only work with what you give him. The last time you posted here, before today, was on May 30. You can't ask for help, then leave for over a week and then come back posting all over. You can do this but you need to slow down and committ to it. If he doesn't have a clear idea of what you are taking or trust that you are being honest with him then he can't help you and actually could hurt you. I hope you understand what a tough position you have put him in. I think we need to know if you are not good on a computer or if you are posting all over because you are taking something that is making you a little mixed up. I understand at your age if you have a hard time on a computer. It's time to slow down and committ to this if you want help, and you sound like you do. I sense so much panic in you. Why is that? Be careful about taking too many medications that mix your head up. You will be ok. Just keep posting here and answer all questions very honestly so Robert can do this safely. You are in my thoughts and I hope I have not come across harshly. I am on your side!!!
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06-07-2009, 10:31 PM
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Barb, if you have been taking 24mg's for less than 1 month, I would suggest that you get down to 8mg's ASAP. Try taking 16mg tomorrow, 8mg a.m./ 8mg p.m. and see how it goes. I would bet the house that you would see improvement right away. Do that for 4-5 days, then drop to 12mg for 4-5 days, then try 8mg split dose until you stabilize. Do all of your daily totals in 2 doses, half in the morning and the other half in the late afternoon. Do this as soon as you see fit, but I would not want to be at that high a dose any longer than you need to. ( and you probably do not need that extreme amount of sub anyway ) I am not a doctor, but do have some experience w/ opiate addiction as I was on 360mg of methadone per day and should not even be alive today to tell anyone about it ! When I started out on subs, it took 4 years to taper down to 20mg methadone per day and I have only taken 8mg subs for 3 days. I then dropped to 6mg subs for 2 days, 4.5mg subs for 4 days, 3.5mg for 4 days, etc. I am now on 1.25mg subs, and this is day 35 since started subs. Please tell Robert everything !!! You can get this under control with a little help. I would not want to see a doctor w/ such a loose pen and pad !  Slow down, calm down, and concentrate on lowering your sub dose, it is way to high in my humble opinion.  I will let the expert take it from here. Just HAD to give you my 2 cents.
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06-07-2009, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Freedom4me  Bellabard,
You need to calm down and focus on this. You need to understand that Robert can only work with what you give him. The last time you posted here, before today, was on May 30. You can't ask for help, then leave for over a week and then come back posting all over. You can do this but you need to slow down and committ to it. If he doesn't have a clear idea of what you are taking or trust that you are being honest with him then he can't help you and actually could hurt you. I hope you understand what a tough position you have put him in. I think we need to know if you are not good on a computer or if you are posting all over because you are taking something that is making you a little mixed up. I understand at your age if you have a hard time on a computer. It's time to slow down and committ to this if you want help, and you sound like you do. I sense so much panic in you. Why is that? Be careful about taking too many medications that mix your head up. You will be ok. Just keep posting here and answer all questions very honestly so Robert can do this safely. You are in my thoughts and I hope I have not come across harshly. I am on your side!!! | Dang jenny
Lets beat up on the new girl  ...I think she has her plate full enough...I don't think anyone scolded you like that...I think Robert can handle this without anyone beating her up |
06-07-2009, 11:09 PM
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Really Melinda? I went back and read my post and thats what you got from it? I apologize Bellabarb. I think I said I was on your side. I hope you know that. Good luck in your recovery. I will go crawl in a hole somewhere. Time for me to move on anyway. I will leave this to the pros. Thank you to all who have helped me here. I appreciate it very much. It made a big difference in my recovery. Take care. God bless. I hope you all keep fighting the fight. You can do it. |
06-08-2009, 09:05 AM
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Please do not let one post stop you from helping us. I am still fighting and need to here from all of you. Robert and his better half have helped a whole lot, but we need all opinions here to get through this. PLEASE STAY !!!! 
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06-08-2009, 08:03 PM
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thanks so much melinda....i actually really need you to explain how i get on the same thread as you and robert...i totally trust both of you
right now i am in 24 mgs (for about 6 days)
i take prozac 60 mgs wellbutrin 200 x 2
simvastin 2o mg
i have buspar but don't take it
all that other stuff valium, clonodine, sleep meds were rx's that my doc thought i might need on this detox road i have not had them filled
i am ready to begin.....my fear of w/d is out of control and i apologize to anyone i annoyed...i'm really a beautiful hippie from the 60's...i've worked in drug tx for about 10 years off and on......i have never won ANY BATTLE AGAINST OPIOIDS, I ALWAYS LOSE..I surrendered and had 2 periods of 8 yr sobriety...both relapses were from terrible pain like breaking my back......i freak out when i can't find you guys...please dont leave me i am ready to work with you. Warmly & lovingly, Barb.....walk with me on this path....................... |
06-09-2009, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by melinda7.5 Dang jenny
Lets beat up on the new girl ...I think she has her plate full enough...I don't think anyone scolded you like that...I think Robert can handle this without anyone beating her up | melinda i sent you reply....they said it cant be posted until moderator has looked at it
how does that work have you gotten my reply yet/ barb |
06-09-2009, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert_325 robert please don't give up on me!
It's not a matter of giving up on you Barbara. It's just hard for me to know what to tell you while you're on a 24mgs per day. That is a LOT more than I ever recommend taking in a day. I don't know how to advise you taking 24mg. I don't think you need that much.
You need to post here each day how you're doing. Don't post around the forum looking for me just post how you're feeling each day right here. Then I can make suggestions based on what you say.
See how you're doing tomorrow at this dose. I personally think it should a minimum of half what you are taking. We'll see how it's going tomorrow. God bless.  | i will try to go to 16 mgs tomorrow
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06-09-2009, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bellabarbara i will try to go to 16 mgs tomorrow
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If you're at 16mg tomorrow take 8mg when you get up and 8mg in the late afternoon. You should do well like that. Then let us know tomorrow evening. God bless.
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06-09-2009, 11:54 AM
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Hey Barbara,
I am sorry you are having such a hard time. I stopped taking my sub yesterday. I guess I just want to see for myself how bad the withdrawals are. If I can handle this then I will try to make it through if not I will go back on sub at the lowest dose possible like 1 or 2 mg.
I'm not sure why your doc would put you on 24mg. That sounds way too high. I hope the best for you though. Keep us posted on how you're doing. |
06-09-2009, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert_325 If you're at 16mg tomorrow take 8mg when you get up and 8mg in the late afternoon. You should do well like that. Then let us know tomorrow evening. God bless. | i did not make it....i took small pieces off and on...when i felt any physical difficulty .i only know that i want my recovery back so much/////and this disease is soooooooooooooooo powerful...please stay with me all you guys out there please send prayers and words of wisdom.....i won;t stop trying....i am the biggest wimp
i'm sorry i feel so worthless and my disease adores that. in love and light barb |
06-09-2009, 05:50 PM
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Then do 16mg tomorrow. That's all you can do. God bless.
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06-09-2009, 06:19 PM
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Hi Barb
We were talking about what a hard time you were having, so we just want to make sure how you are taking your subs...
did you take 8 mg in the morning and then try to wait till afternoon till you took the other 8 mg...and did you put it under your tongue and let it dissolve...
I will be around most of the day tomorrow...so get on here and let me know how its going and maybe i can help talk you thru it...
Talk to you later, Melinda
P.S. oh what a cute puppy you have...
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06-10-2009, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by melinda7.5 Hi Barb
We were talking about what a hard time you were having, so we just want to make sure how you are taking your subs...
did you take 8 mg in the morning and then try to wait till afternoon till you took the other 8 mg...and did you put it under your tongue and let it dissolve...
I will be around most of the day tomorrow...so get on here and let me know how its going and maybe i can help talk you thru it...
Talk to you later, Melinda
P.S. oh what a cute puppy you have... | hi i luv u guys
i did terrible yesterday.....but i am trying again today......just knowing you and R are concerned gives me hope! how amazing the day wlll be when i wake up clear, peaceful and totally clean. love/light, b |
06-10-2009, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bellabarbara hi i luv u guys
i did terrible yesterday.....but i am trying again today......just knowing you and R are concerned gives me hope! how amazing the day wlll be when i wake up clear, peaceful and totally clean. love/light, b |
Barbara .... please listen to me. I'm very serious here. 16mg is HIGH dose. There is NO reason for you to be taking that much.
I can only help you if you go along with me. There is NO reason why you should be hung up on 16mg, you should be able to drop that dose with NO problems. It's all in your head.
IF you can't get off the 16mg dose I have NO IDEA what you're going to do about lowering it. You've got to suck it up and stick out what I'm telling you to do. Just don't take any more than 16mg PERIOD! God bless.
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06-10-2009, 06:27 PM
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robert...i hear you loud and clear....everytime something makes me nervous/upset i think i'm in withdrawal & eat a piece
i am now going to break up doses for myself for the next few days and put the rest away...i will pray so hard on my knees...i will try to love this total wreck that drugs has made me...
2 questions....my exhaustion is extreme..everything is a chore..i am taking care of my 88 yr old mom .i am so friggin tired all the time.....may i use a small dose of provigil and are there any vitamins i can start now like the ones in the thomas recipe
hope you can help me with this God Bless You R. |
06-10-2009, 07:04 PM
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Hi Barb
I'm just thinking...Do you think you are trying to numb your emotional pain with the subs and do you think some of this could be depression...I know how much you have been thru... and how hard it is to be taking care of your mom, when you need a little help your self... It does sound like to me that your taking them to relieve some stress...
What do you think about that ???
Do you think it could be some of what I was talking about...
Talk to you soon,Melinda
PS I would take out 2 doses 8mg each for tomorrow and put the rest away.
if you get upset find another way to deal with it... |
06-11-2009, 10:35 AM
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yes i believe it is all inter-related and i dont think my prozac and wellbutrin work anymore because of all the opiates in the last year but i'm not going to stop them now because prozac has mean w/d & wellbutrin- you can seizure if its not tapered...i'm going to make an appt w/ psch. while i still have insurance and see what he says......i'm not such a big FB fanatic but i am happy to be your friend, as u are an angel to me, b |
06-11-2009, 10:39 AM
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thank you r it's a.m and i am following the direction
do you think it's ok for me to take some provigil for my low energy or start with some of the vitamins from thomas recipe |
06-11-2009, 05:43 PM
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Hi Barb
It's a no Go on the provigin...But the vitamins on the Thomas recipe would be great...
Robert wanted to know if you were able to stay at 8 mg for the morning...
and how are you feeling...
Talk to you soon, Melinda |
06-11-2009, 08:57 PM
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Barbara .... please take this reply the right way, take it the way it's intended. 
You have got to get a grip on yourself. I've read the emails you sent to Melinda and I'm trying to make you understand how helpless I am when you fail to do as I ask.
Please STOP taking the suboxone throughout the day when you are feeling anxious or depressed. First of all suboxone is not made for that purpose. Next it isn't a medication that you even take like that throughout the day. You're doing more harm than good taking suboxone like that.
I can help you with the sub taper and there should be enough time based on your requirements per the emails. But the only way I can make this work for you is when you follow through with my suggestions. That's just common sense, I know you understand.
I want you to take 16mg per day for four days. NO MORE THAN THAT!!  You will need to drop to 12mg after these four days, then after another four days you'll be reducing again. It's going to be impossible to keep lowering your dose if you can't get past even keeping your dose stable at 16mg. I don't know what else to say.
I'm not going anywhere, I'll be here to help as much as I can. Just understand that I can only do SO much. I am helpless here without your help and cooperation. God bless.
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06-12-2009, 10:12 AM
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hi robert
i'm just grateful you will work with me
it's 10:00 am here i just took 8 mgs
will get the vitamins
God Bless, Barb |
06-12-2009, 10:15 AM
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Thank you for being here with me
You and R are so busy I am trying to stay brief...please see my post to R and a prayer would be great......talk to you later, b |
06-12-2009, 10:38 AM
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Thank you for being here with me
You and R are so busy I am trying to stay brief...please see my post to R and a prayer would be great......talk to you later, b | Hi Barb
you don't have to thank me...i will be here till you don't need me anymore...
stay strong my friend...
I have to go to work again today... ...LOL but it's Friday....yea !!!!
Talk to you when I get home
Melinda |
06-13-2009, 01:21 AM
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I didn't here from you tonight,,,LOL |
06-13-2009, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bellabarbara i did not make it....i took small pieces off and on...when i felt any physical difficulty .i only know that i want my recovery back so much/////and this disease is soooooooooooooooo powerful...please stay with me all you guys out there please send prayers and words of wisdom.....i won;t stop trying....i am the biggest wimp
i'm sorry i feel so worthless and my disease adores that. in love and light barb | Hi -This is Linda and my husband and I were on subs for three months with last dose of .25 being on April 18. We found robert late so started to high but we finished the taper with him. I will share a story I haven't told on here because it may help you. The problem with me when I did as you were doing was because I did not understand suboxone. In my world if 3 were good than 8 were even better. I did not know what Suboxone was, an opiate, that it has a ceiling effect at 16mg, its very long 1/2 life -between 36 and 72 hours, how very powerful it really is, I could feel a .06 dose when I was down to .25, how small these doses really are, and the nature of suboxone itself.(more later on that) Anyway, the first time i tried it was in november and I did the induction in Dr. office and he put me on 16mg. -8mg. twice a day. I felt fine when I left but started getting anxious so about two hours later took another half. I was still anxious as Suboxone doesn't help with anxiety sobefore bed I took another half and then woke up in the night and took a quarter. Well in the morning it was time for my 8 mg. dose etc....so you get the picture i was taking it for anxiety and because i was used to taking pills etc. to make me feel better. Well it made me feel worse and I got a terrible headache and quit after several days and went back to original drug. I even did it one more time like that and it did'nt work. I have a very healthy respect for it know and those pieces you are taking add up to be a very large dose and it will just make things worse.I will tell you more of my story as you go on with this but you absolutly have to listen and do what Robert is telling you. No, "I'll try ". You decided to get off and if thats what you really want, at this dose you just do. Over 16 is just a waste anyway and you need to taper down as quickly as you can. I had a lot of anxiety and had no anxiety meds but it got better in a short time. Suboxone does not work like any other drug I have ever taken, you will need to make a commitment and not waver at this point, do exactly what Robert says, be regimented and purposeful-dose when you are supposed to and take no more than that and finally you need to be the one in control of this. It does not control you and it is a good drug to get off opiates , if used properly. I really can't stress that enough - you're attitude about this need to be proactive you are using it as a tool to get where you want to be, it isn't telling you what to do . Let there be NO other options -eyes forward, don't look back and keep going straight forward-you will be very glad you did . |
06-13-2009, 08:50 PM
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linda thanks
please tell me how much suffering you had at the end of robert's detox
i need something to hope for, linda.
with love, barb |
06-13-2009, 08:54 PM
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melinda
i started having bad migraines from the suboxen and will contunue to until i can get to doc to switch to subutex....i'm in hell i am begging for your prayers |
06-13-2009, 09:26 PM
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i started having bad migraines from the suboxen and will contunue to until i can get to doc to switch to subutex....i'm in hell i am begging for your prayers | Hi Barb
I was wondering how you were doing today...Im sorry your having migraines...Is there any way you can get out and have some time to yourself and have some fun.I think you need to do something that will make you feel better...When I get stressed I like to go tanning or go shopping at Marshalls...
you need to do things for yourself not just everyone around you...
I know how hard you work at taking care of everyone else...
Talk to you soon, Melinda |
06-14-2009, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bellabarbara linda thanks
please tell me how much suffering you had at the end of robert's detox
i need something to hope for, linda.
with love, barb | Hi -this is Linda and I'm glad you're still around. We didn't have any suffering during the taper or at the end once we followed Robert's instructions. There was fatigue and chills at some points during the taper but nothing even close to opiate w/d. Just follow Robert and Melinda's advice. Like I said they are great when used correctly. Don't take any more than you are supposed to, measure your dose correctly, take it at the right time, and don't just try to do this - do it - no second thoughts. I want you to know that you have a great opportunity on this forum to do this privately,(kind of) for free, you have 1 on 1 expert assistance and cheerleaders. How often does that happen? Hang in there. | | |
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