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Old 08-20-2009, 06:42 PM
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Hello everybody my name is Jason...
Im about to start the process of c/t opiates, I have been on opiates for about two years, no real medical reasons why. I just enjoyed them. Most of my usage was percs and Vics, every once in a while Oxycontin. I know that i will have withdraw, and i know it will be bad. I have read that kratom may help with the withdraw, any advice on kratom or what to expect from the withdraw would be great. I am going to do this C/t and i am not going to be able to take any time off work.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:48 AM
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Hi Jason! Welcome to the board! The first best thing you did was post here. I know nothing about Kratom except to say that if it worked that well it would be all over this site as a way to do w/d from opiates. Many of us who have been on pills have gone c/t with the thomas recipe. Some have even done it going to work w/o the benzos (klonipin, valium, etc.). I'm posting the thomas recipe and some other things that others have said helped them. Post often. Let us know what's happening and we will be there to help!

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Extra Stuff:
Sleep:
Melatonin, sleepy time tea, tylenol pm

Resltess Leg/Cramping:
Excercise and hot shower before bed, even if it's just a walk down the block, helps with sleep as well.
Hyland's Restful Leg (cramping forumula also) healthfood store/walmart
Gatorade

Energy: Emergen-C

Anxiety: Valarian Root

STAY HYDRATED: Water, Gatorade, stay away from caffeine, energy drinks, sugar.

The Thomas Recipe - For Opiate Withdrawal

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I found this reading the board, but decided to post it again for those who haven't found it and for all us "newbies". Peace and good luck to all of those here stuggling with addicition.


"PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

THOMAS RECIPE

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

Thomas"


Also, check out this sight if you like, it was really informative for me - it has some great information on getting clean using primarily nutrition, suppplements, and exercise. It's written by a physician specialized in treating opiate withdrawal. It also talks about what abusing opiates does to our brain, which is scaring me into kicking this **** to the curb!

http://www.dpeg.org/treatment/methadone_withdrawal.htm
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:12 PM
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Hello everybody my name is Jason...
Im about to start the process of c/t opiates, I have been on opiates for about two years, no real medical reasons why. I just enjoyed them. Most of my usage was percs and Vics, every once in a while Oxycontin. I know that i will have withdraw, and i know it will be bad. I have read that kratom may help with the withdraw, any advice on kratom or what to expect from the withdraw would be great. I am going to do this C/t and i am not going to be able to take any time off work.


For every good piece of info on Kratom I can pull up one against it. If it was the way to go everyone would do it.

Take the good advice you've received, go with the Thomas Recipe to the letter and tough it out four days or so and you'll start feeling better.

That's a pretty fair deal considering what all we've done to ourselves over time but still want the fast and easy way out. Do the Thomas Recipe and don't create additional problems for yourself using Kratom. That's all I'll say on it. God bless.
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