question for the Suboxene Expert.

[UserReady]

I am getting ready to make the call. I have decided to go the sub route. I just cant handle the WD's off of oxy. Having said that, I know it may not be the most appropriate way to go about it, but at least I am ready!
Call me a wimp...?
So, here is my last question, after playing looky loo here..

If i am on subs, get stable, (hoping for 8mg. a day, so 4mg bid.)

How long do i have to wait to start getting off subs?

I guess I am wondering (Robert) you say you can assist getting people off sub in 4-6 or 8 wks. right? Am I wrong to assume I can do this without WD's.? thus that would mean basically a tapering. I choose that over CT anyday. I just wanna make sure I understand fully what I am doing here..and what I can hope for..so its easier to taper off Subs, than your drug of choice obviously.
cuz an addict has their drug in their house they use it.!! I do.!!

What kind of feelings can I expect on subs. Will I finally calm down, and get back to what I used to do 3 yrs. ago. Working out. Eating right. etc: Will the old "ME" come back?

pleezzz someone reply soon..as I am making my appt. this week.

[Robert_325]

I am getting ready to make the call. I have decided to go the sub route. I just cant handle the WD's off of oxy. Having said that, I know it may not be the most appropriate way to go about it, but at least I am ready!
Call me a wimp...?
So, here is my last question, after playing looky loo here..

If i am on subs, get stable, (hoping for 8mg. a day, so 4mg bid.)

How long do i have to wait to start getting off subs?

I guess I am wondering (Robert) you say you can assist getting people off sub in 4-6 or 8 wks. right? Am I wrong to assume I can do this without WD's.? thus that would mean basically a tapering. I choose that over CT anyday. I just wanna make sure I understand fully what I am doing here..and what I can hope for..so its easier to taper off Subs, than your drug of choice obviously.
cuz an addict has their drug in their house they use it.!! I do.!!

What kind of feelings can I expect on subs. Will I finally calm down, and get back to what I used to do 3 yrs. ago. Working out. Eating right. etc: Will the old "ME" come back?

pleezzz someone reply soon..as I am making my appt. this week.

I can help you do the subs and it won't be bad. If you will be naive enough to do as I ask you to then you'll get through this with minimal discomfort.

It's VERY important to start out correctly doing the induction properly. That sets everything up for you to be doing this either right or wrong. Check out the following link. Be sure to read the INDUCTION section closely.

I'll be here when you get ready to begin. It would be best if you could do the induction right here. I can walk you through the whole thing. You'll have to see how your dr does it. But I'm here most every day. Let me know. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[UserReady]

I am the one that told u I found a doctor very inexpensive, and I qualified for subs by saying i didn't use benzo's..remember? and u told me why (respiratory distress)

well my question is this: when I start induction, being an oxy user of 40-80mg for 2 yrs..I am not sure how long I can last vs.the COWS worksheet at prob.26...but becuz I have a bad anxiety problem..are you gonna tell me I cannot have any xanax? during Induction???

I do need them so I don't get a PANICK ATTACK...
and Is it okay once I am on subs to take them? once in awhile?

I doubt I will have distress...I have been using oxy and xanax for yrs. with no problem..so I am sure I will be fine...

[Robert_325]

If you take xanax during the induction you'll hide the effects of your w/d. You won't be able to tell if you're at a 26 on the COWS worksheet and you'll make the induction last too long. Don't take them up until you start on the suboxone.

I used xanax for over 25 years myself and did the xanax detox at the same time I was on the subs. That's just me and I survived it.

Don't take xanax until we talk about it after the induction. You will be okay on a SMALL dose if it absolutely necessary, just not too soon when we begin this process. God bless.

[UserReady]

I was wondering around the house, doing my chores, gettin a bit high..making a call for more I guess. No answer. It hit me!
Like a ton of bricks. I AM DONE WITH ALL THIS ********, AND HAVING OTHER PEOPLE RUN MY FRICKING LIFE.!!! the waiting, the wondering, the money, the lack of $$$, the planning my whole day around my nxt. high, all the b.s.

So I started getting all organized around here, bills, shredding old bills, reading online, etc....and just knowing that I finally am there, I feel this overwhelming sense of excitement...robert.!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO BE FREE!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
AM I gonna miss the high? yes,absolutely..but there are a million things I miss already, & I am surviving..just fine.
I sat here & I weighed out the Pro's & Cons'. how ridiculous is that. The Con's column had 1 item in it...the Pro's was full "OF LIFE" AND FULLFILLMENT., and joy, and health and just plain living....and knowing that when I am off this ********, the next demon is the cigarettes. plus my dr. has been calling me to have a procedure done...gotta get that done.

Do you happen to know how well a person on Subs is knocked out, with local anesthesia? With Vic's, one doesn't get knocked out very well..the drugs block the anesthesia...I have no plans of telling ANYONE I AM ON SUBS.

I am probably gonna be looking for you on monday for Induction..k? If I get a Dr. appt tormorrow.
thx.

[Robert_325]

I'll be here Monday. If you're starting Monday you will need to stop all opiates as of Sunday morning at the latest. Don't wait until Monday morning or it will be Tuesday before you're ready for induction. You've got to be a 26 on the COWS worksheet.

How you're affected by subs during surgery depends on the dose you're at, the length of time, etc. I would do the detox first unless the procedure is absolutely necessary. You'll have to make that call. God bless.

[intelmetal]

IWANTOUT

To Live My Life And To Be Free !

[UserReady]

well my appt is all set up..at 9am monday. I will be off opiates for 27 hours...
! whoa..this should be awful.sounds pretty sufficient.huh?
I won't do none on sunday...so I should be pretty well into WD's.

However I just went thru that...! here recently.

its weird, I notice people just pop these subs any ole' time, and it makes them feel better? like it they run out of Opiates, and they have a couple of Subs? they use em'' Robert how does that work? why don't they go into
precipitated WDs'?

I am hoping to start at 8mg a day..? Is there a huge difference in price..between a 8mg and a 16mg?

Well its nice knowing u are gonna be here for me...ARE YOU READY FOR YET ANOTHER INDUCTION?
God" I wish there was a way to pay people like u back? I mean why do you do this for complete strangers Robert.?
I'm not complaining..believe me, but such a selfless person.

[Robert_325]

well my appt is all set up..at 9am monday. I will be off opiates for 27 hours...
! whoa..this should be awful.sounds pretty sufficient.huh?
I won't do none on sunday...so I should be pretty well into WD's.

However I just went thru that...! here recently.

its weird, I notice people just pop these subs any ole' time, and it makes them feel better? like it they run out of Opiates, and they have a couple of Subs? they use em'' Robert how does that work? why don't they go into
precipitated WDs'?

I am hoping to start at 8mg a day..? Is there a huge difference in price..between a 8mg and a 16mg?

Well its nice knowing u are gonna be here for me...ARE YOU READY FOR YET ANOTHER INDUCTION?
God" I wish there was a way to pay people like u back? I mean why do you do this for complete strangers Robert.?
I'm not complaining..believe me, but such a selfless person.

It's no big secret. I could use subs and get high both if I timed the doses of each appropriately. Don't even try to go there though. Those people are messing themselves up doing that and don't even know it. I won't waste my time even trying to explain things to those people. They will do what they want to do anyway.

Sure I'll be here to help you Monday. I'm on Pacific time so you'll know. What time zone are you in so we can coordinate our clocks? If you get up Sunday and don't take ANYTHING until Monday you should be okay. DON'T deviate from that plan though. You'll mess yourself up badly if you do. We'll plan on starting Monday when you get home from the dr.

Don't plan on "trying" to start at 8mg. If you do this with me there is NO WAY it will be any higher than that. It could even be lower. NO WAY you should take 16mg. PLEASE don't do that to yourself like almost everyone else does. Half the people here would not have to be here if they had not started out at such a high dose.

I have my own personal reasons for doing this. I receive my blessings for trying to help others. I've had a few people who insisted on sending me gifts but it's not required. Most people show up here in pretty bad shape financially. It's a spiritual thing for me not to try and sound corny. But let's just focus on you getting off to a good start. God bless.

[UserReady]

not good posting in 2 diff places!

Ok..at 9am pac.time (calif) I will be home around 9:30am.
with subs...not gonna do it in the office...k?

I will come home and take 2mg. upon arrival and stop!
log on!
look for you!
thats it.!

till tommorrow..that other thread i will not post on. i found the cows...I am a 24..25//!

[Robert_325]

not good posting in 2 diff places!

Ok..at 9am pac.time (calif) I will be home around 9:30am.
with subs...not gonna do it in the office...k?

I will come home and take 2mg. upon arrival and stop!
log on!
look for you!
thats it.!

till tommorrow..that other thread i will not post on. i found the cows...I am a 24..25//!

Listen to me! I know that you feel like hell. This is going to be one VERY LONG day and night out of your entire life. Didn't you just start this detox today? You just began this morning not using isn't that correct? You used yesterday didn't you. You can't be a 24-25 yet if you just stopped this morning.

Go to the dr tomorrow, get your pills, and I will have you feeling like you did when you were in high school if you do as I say. In a couple hours I will have you TOTALLY turned around.

If your dr insists that you take something in the office tell him you want to do it in 2mg increments. Otherwise wait until you get home and we'll do the induction then. I just don't want you to freak out if the dr says to take medication in front of him. Insist you only want a little bit. Tell him you'll take the rest at home if you need it. Then get your meds and go home. I'll be online then too as I'm Pacific time also.

When we taper you off the subs it won't be anything like what you're feeling now. Hang in there. God bless.

[UserReady]

Yes that is where I was on COWS..due to not using the prior couple of days, but 10mg..I took a crumb sat...and went into withdrawal sat afternoon, sunday and just woke up..I decided I am going to do this..

This is sheer hell...I do not want to do this ever again, meaning substituting a drug, and re-doing it w. sub tx..I decided I should feel like hell, due to my financial mess I just gave to my hubby this am. to fix, I feel like I in some crazy way, SHOULD SUFFER!

Robert: I just cancelled my dr..appt.!! after reading my other post, and so forth, I have decided to go CT..I think I am on day 2.? Either way I have my husband looking after me, feeding me meds, motrin-tranquilizers-flu remedies-food-milkshakes, while i sleep on and off.
I think I can do this.
You say I am gonna feel like HELL. I do robert i do...!!!
I cannot even walk.
my laptop was brought to me by my hubby, cuz i had to log on to tell you what i decided.
I count the hours...I have lost all access to cc's, chek book, even a pen.
thats fine by me though....
let me quickly do cows......I am a 22.
>???? pls. reply. Lets not forget I am on Benzo's..that could be the reason for the 22.? ty

[melinda7.5]

Hi userready
You will get thru this you will get thru this,just try to do things to pass the time watch movies for a couple days, thats what I did, and take it ten minutes at a time.in just a couple days your going to start to feel human again and this will be all over.
be good to yourself we all screw up sometims...Im glad you have your husband to help you that will be great...
post on here and read all of the stories it seems to help. it makes you feel like your not alone...
hang in there your going to get this all behind you soon
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

UserReady ... I think you made a good decision. Continue to post, let us know how you're doing. The COWS score doesn't matter if you're doing a cold turkey. You will be starting to feel better in 2-3 more days. Stay in touch. Giod bless.

[UserReady]

thank you...I am in tears at this time...very very sick..this is bad
mel-watched more t.v. than ever.
i CAN DO THIS...

I only think GOOD THOUGHTS WHILE I LAY THERE IN PAIN & AGONY.
I PICTURE MYSELF WELL---NOT SICK..

GOOD THOUGHTS EQUAL WELL BEING

my pictures of me are sooo wondeful, drug free, no more waiting, money..I already had it all, and now I really will FOREVER

I have plans of speaking at the local High Schools when this is over...bout OXYCONTIN.

God help me.!?
pls. pray

[AzWickedCool]

I was where you are one week ago. It is a really dark place, and the next couple days are going to be really bad, so be prepared. If I could use expletives to describe it, I would. It would be appropriate.

That said, I think it is awesome your going cold turkey. Once you are over the hump, you need to remember how it is right now and this memory should prevent the relapse.

I will say in about 5 days you really should be feeling much better (but you will still be feeling it for a while), and thats when the battle switches from physical to mental. You will tell yourself, ahh that wasn't so bad. I can beat this whenever. Don't listen to yourself, because you are lying.

Post here in this thread as much as you can describing how you feel. That way as it gets better, you can come back and read what a bad place you were at.

I am your biggest fan, being my most recent memory of w/d is where you are right now.

And remember, it is supposed to suck. But the payoff is 100 fold.

Just by picking cold turkey and actually doing it, is half the battle. That is a sign of stregth!!!


Again keep posting about how you feel. You will always be able to come back and read it when tempation/cravings happen later on.

Good Luck!!!

And you can do this as you already have!!!!

[UserReady]

After searching for a place to sleep last night, oh about 50 locations/positions
(that aint no lie) I found one and slept 7hrs.! yeah!!!!

My god I hate the night when my hubby goes to sleep & leaves me alone

today is day 3--unfortunately I am still very sick
last nite on t.v. Kathy griffins show came on & she preceeded to talk about the latest Hollywood drug--OXYCONTIN-my hubby bolted out the door!!
changed the channel, M.Jackson--using OXYCONTIN..good god its following me everywhere I go.....its haunting me people.
my thoughts are so surreal, all the lies, the money..omg--I deserve every minute of hell i am in...i will never use or lie, and i will try to make it up to my husband somehow....(maybe some good sex>>)) lol
I did tell him thats why i am not into it anymore..i told the truth about it all.

most of all i regret what i did to him...he ran home yesterday with French fries, potassium, and electrolytes ...and put me to bed!


i gotta keep posting...but i am going down hill...so i am logging off..
dangit, I SURELY AM IN HELL...(LIVING HELL)

[UserReady]

i am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooosick..!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can feel the toxins leaving my body. I smell mentholatum, in my fricking nose, what is that?
diarrheas' here...good god..I am getting weak minded. I am thinking about ending this. I am crying constantly as I am at my witts ends!!!!!!!!!!

Pls someone tell me this could be the worst day as I cannot do 1 more day like this.??????????

pleeeeezz?
robert mel, I feel different. my mind is clearer, but symptoms are new. chills are mostly gone. aches horrid, legs/back esp. no shower today..surely.

i did eat toast. potassium-electolytes drink-motrin-tranquilizer.

I got so oooo upset to wake and find oh god another day of this 3days straight fricking ********* agony.!!!

Now I am cussing throwing pillows.
i told my hubby it i called him and begged him to take me to the sub dr, he would try to talk me out of it.
he agreed!!!
when i see his able body he looks at me almost disgusted with what is happening to me...ahhhhhh poor man. to my hubby, I am sorry for putting u thru this..

thx someone give me hope today pls.

[Robert_325]

You've only got a couple of really bad days left AT THE MOST. You're going to start feeling better soon. Use imodium AD for the diarrhea. Use it as needed it will help. Drink lots of gatorade for dehydration from diarrhea. TAKE A HOT SHOWER OR BATH. IT WILL HELP YOU. You're making progress. In a few days you'll be glad you did this. Hang in there. God bless.

[intelmetal]

I feel so bad for you, I've been there too. Just try to hang on a few more days, it will be worth it BIG TIME ! I know you will beat this and be a much better person for it. Your hubby is your best friend, God Bless him for helping at all. Some spouses of drug addict's don't understand or give a hoot. I am also very lucky that my wife is so supportive and caring. PLEASE BEAT THIS ! You owe it to yourself and your loved ones. The light is there, believe me. A month from now you will feel 100% and that will be amazing !!! Good Luck.
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[fitmamaof5]

I am praying for you...
you can do it..

D

[UserReady]

few more days, but each will b better. mark my words right here and now

I will never USE DRUGS AGAIN IN MY LIFETIME...
(that was more for me, to read later)

ty all for your replies

I do feel a bit better.
god i cry sooo easy..I just took a walk and checked my garden..2 c if my hubby was taking care of it.

IT WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING I HAVE SEEN IN DAYS. IT MADE ME WEEP...THAT there will still be beauty when I am thru with this agony...ok...........shower time. I am not up to drawing a bath..

ty all of u from the bottom of my heart, which seems to have surfaced.

[melinda7.5]

Hi UserReady
Don't worry about crying we all have raw emotions when we stop are pills,people talk about crying over a commercial...It's funny later on down the road.
I'm glad your garden is doing good, that is my most favorite thing in the world to do is work out in my yard,the world could be falling in and I wouldn't notice...
your doing a great job at getting clean give yourself a big pat on the back...
Talk to you later, Melinda

[UserReady]

I am completely fine today other than raw emotions, that let loose this a.m.
I was consumed with guilt...I had to have forgiveness from my hubby!!

I got it this a.m...he forgave me.
Now I will go to the church and ask for FORGIVENESS..I have sinned.

It occurs to me today that reading my thread, many people may be scared.
to go C/T. DON'T BE. I AM SO PROUD OF WHAT I DID. no one knows how it feels to do it unless they have.
I am not on suboxene. and I know in my heart if I had done that, I would still feel like a drug addict. thats just me though. I am the type of person who carries alot of guilt, and always have, very easily.

I probably wont' spend a dime for a year of our household money. thats my character.

for anyone thinking of which one to do, sub or c/t......I am not gonna lie, its almost unbearable, but definitely do-able.
I went into it thinking I deserved every bit of agony I felt. You Play U Pay.

so, for now....I will go. 1 more thing 4 those doing c/t.
my hubby threw my a** in our Pool last nite. I was in so much pain, he knew the warm/cold water would stop the pain..in my legs. sure as s***.....I have zero aches as of that 30 mins. of soaking.

do not underestimate the power of soaking the aches...it is THE BEST REMEDY INDEED. if u have a jacuzzi, pool, get in it IMMEDIATELY.

BYE and thank you all for your support. i will always be back.

[Robert_325]

Look at you now! It only took a little time and you're feeling like new.

Doing a cold turkey WAS the right thing for you to do. For others suboxone is just as right for them as this was for you. We are all different and have options to choose from accordingly. The main thing is you did SOMETHING and followed through. Doesn't matter how anyone does it as long as they do it.

Keep us posted how things are going. Temptations happen you have to remain focused. All things are possible through Christ. God bless.

[UserReady]

Its soooo true. No matter how you do it, JUST DO IT AND DON'T LOOK BACK

I chose what I chose. c/t, but almost didn't make it....I am very proud of myself..almost as close to when I gave birth to twins.

now....I can't wait to help others.

Guess whats back?????? with a vengeance!!!!!!!!!

(keep ya' all thinking)
my new user name is now


dun-usin'

[UserReady]

Does anyone know if its normal to feel sick again..on day 5 after being well day 4?

My agony is my achy legs. Ever heard of that?
anyone pleez?

[Littlebug]

WTG on your CT, that is huge.

[AzWickedCool]

expect to alternate good day/bad day for a while.Just make sure to get up, hot showers help. Find some diversion.

[Robert_325]

Does anyone know if its normal to feel sick again..on day 5 after being well day 4?

My agony is my achy legs. Ever heard of that?
anyone pleez?

It's just the opiate addiction taking one last stab at getting you back. It happens sometime. I know that sounds crazy but it happens. That's a good reason why these pills are so freakin evil. They just wait for a chance to get inside your head. Stick it out and this will pass. NO WAY that you should give in now. Hang in there. God bless.