[DumbPpl]

Hi, my mom is going through these withdrawrls right now for vicodin, I think she was taking 10 per day. So far we're about to be on her 7th day and the 1st, 2nd, and 6th day have seemed to be the worst.

Anyway, I don't understand why you people take pills of any kind. I have never taken a pill in my life and I just don't see any reason ever for doing it. So you take it to get rid of pain then you end up having to go through the pain anyway when you quit... Doesn't make sense.

I look at it as the drug companies making a buck and that is it. You all should't feel bad about going in to multiple doctors to get perscriptions or going and drug hunting because it's those companies that made you that way because of greed, and it was the doctor's that broke their hippocratic oath by prescribing such horrible drugs. Finally, it is the FDA for approving all these drugs that have worse side effects than what they are treating. It should be a rule that no drug can be prescribed unless there are no side effects or withdrawl symptoms. Hmm, might be low on drugs, but we really don't need them they're a waste of space and just a way to make the multiple drug company CEOs billionaires.

[norcoho]

To DumbPpl (nice name, by the way):

First of all, how old are you, 12? Of course you have never taken a pill in your life, you are probably a child. Just wait until you are an adult, or even a teenager. Second, how dare you post this tripe in an attempt make people who have REAL AGONIZING pain feel even worse than they already do. Yes the pills have side effects. Yes the pills CAN BE addictive if not used appropriately. But for some of us, there is literally no other choice. Like me, I have had major surgery to try and fix my back, and it did not work. Neither has anything else I've tried over the last 10 years. Without pain medication, I wouldn't be able to walk. Still think I'm an idiot for taking pain pills?

Next time, before you post, try reading the rules of the forum, or just look at the top of the page. See where it says CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE ONLY? Your post should have ended after the first paragraph about your mother. You are not telling us anything we don't already know about the health care and pharmacutical industries. I jokingly refer to my pain management doctor as my drug dealer, because that is exactly what he is. But I accept that and I do what I have to do to get by.

Go away troll.

[GottaStop]

Originally Posted by GottaStop

Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update on my situation.

Since I last posted, I unfortunately continued the taper for a couple days until I got to 1 pill on Monday. That was the last pill I had and my supply is now clean out.

I am now on day 3 of zero pills. To be honest, getting through the day hasn't been TOO bad. As long as I keep my mind off of it, I seem to get through the day relatively unscathed, aside from the pain and restlessness in my arms and legs and the ever frequent trip to the bathroom. Unfortunately for me, the demons seem to come out at night when I'm trying to sleep. The only sleep I've gotten since starting the taper can be credited to alcohol and Tylenol PMs.

The hardest part has been trying to combat the tricks my mind constantly tries to play on me. I tell myself I need it for the pain, I tell myself I must not be an addict if my withdrawl symptoms aren't that bad, etc. It's really disheartening to know that even though I am the one who made the decision to stop for myself, I am still my own worst enemy.

Part of us wants to get better, part of us doesn't.

Tomorrow morning I leave for a 3 day trip out of state, so I guess one can argue my timing isn't exactly on point. But if I can get through tonight without going out and buying some pills, the next time you hear from me I will be 6 or 7 days clean.

Maybe this trip is a blessing in disguise.

Well, it's been nearly a month an a half since that last post. Unfortunately, after 4 days clean at the time, I caved and bought some pills before my trip. I guess I was too ashamed to come back and update you guys with the bad news.

Anyway, after getting back into pills for a couple weeks after that, I finally built up the courage to dive head first into Withdrawal Lake once again and am now on day 27 of my painkiller free life.

However, I have to be honest and completely credit my success to Suboxone. I know many people may disagree (understandably) but I truly believe that Subpoxene is, in fact, a miracle drug. I lucked out in having the ability to get my Subs for free/cheap from a friend. This allowed me the rare opportunity to perform a proper taper as described on this website without having a money hungry doctor breathing down my neck.

I started in full blown withdrawal mode on the first day with an 8mg pill, which made me feel like a million bucks. Over the course of the next 2 1/2 weeks I continued to taper until I was down to little undiscernable pieces. I am now on day 2 free of Subpoxene. I am experiencing mild withdrawals during the day, similiar to those from the painkillers, and I'm still having a heap of trouble sleeping, but I wouldn't turn back for the world.

The only question I have for you guys at this point is whether you think these symptoms are still withdrawals from the Oxycodone/Hydrocodone due to a premature Suboxene taper, or if they are in fact now withdrawals from the Subs. Thanks, and good luck to all of you!

[Robert_325]

You are doing really great! 27 days clean from oxy and hydro is a huge accomplishment if you are like I was. Don't even worry about your relapse. I did it too. Sadly most of us relapse. The key is if you can learn from it and use what you learned to stay clean this time. It appears you have done well.

I think going with buprenorphine was a wise decision. I did it too. It saved me from a really horrid detox. I've done that before and it's sooooo hard. I'm so thankful that subs were available for me the last time I cleaned up. I have had ZERO problems since going on subutex. I am sure you will do well when you complete your taper.

As far as any w/d symptoms that you may be experiencing it is my opinion that you may have stopped the suboxone a little too soon to do this totally symptom free. I didn't start my taper until I was about where you are now. I was on subs for a total of six weeks including the taper. You could still be suffering some symptoms from the opiate detox. No way you have built up a dependency to suboxone in a couple weeks. You started tapering almost as soon as you began and never took a high dose at all. So any w/d symptoms you feel are from the opiate detox and not the suboxone. Even though you probably stopped a little too soon no way I would say to take a piece of suboxone. If you decide to do it, you know it would just take a very little sliver and your symptoms would probably subside. That wouldn't be the end of the world. But you have made it this far. I would just suck it up now and all the symptoms will be gone any day. It couldn't possibly last too much longer. Keep us posted. Good luck.

[sisterwin2]

Congrats Gotta stop........ keep us posted on how the next few days go ..... I am getting near my detox from sub..... now on 8mg but had a bad start. Tomorrow I go to 4mg..

again CONGRATS

[sisterwin2]

Originally Posted by norcoho

To DumbPpl (nice name, by the way):

First of all, how old are you, 12? Of course you have never taken a pill in your life, you are probably a child. Just wait until you are an adult, or even a teenager. Second, how dare you post this tripe in an attempt make people who have REAL AGONIZING pain feel even worse than they already do. Yes the pills have side effects. Yes the pills CAN BE addictive if not used appropriately. But for some of us, there is literally no other choice. Like me, I have had major surgery to try and fix my back, and it did not work. Neither has anything else I've tried over the last 10 years. Without pain medication, I wouldn't be able to walk. Still think I'm an idiot for taking pain pills?

Next time, before you post, try reading the rules of the forum, or just look at the top of the page. See where it says CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE ONLY? Your post should have ended after the first paragraph about your mother. You are not telling us anything we don't already know about the health care and pharmacutical industries. I jokingly refer to my pain management doctor as my drug dealer, because that is exactly what he is. But I accept that and I do what I have to do to get by.

Go away troll.

Whoa....... having a bad day?
... I do think the poster is young and hope she stays that way about drugs. Dumbpl. Your right on what you said...... But, there are times when you really need the help for pain, just like if your a diabetic or have a bad heart. There are some of us that dont know how to live life with out alot of help and it gets us into alot of trouble.

You learn from your mothers mistakes and mine..... take a tylonel or Motrin for pain, not much to worry about then as long as you take it as you doctor says.

[newleaseonlife]

i want to start off by saying that i'm ABUNDANTLY grateful to each and every one of you for sharing your stories. thank you, thank you, thank you. i am on day 3 of low-dose vicodin withdrawal and it has been a rollercoaster, to say the least. the physical discomfort is easy for me compared to what's going on inside my head...i'm weepy, irritable, impatient, bored. i was so used to supplementing certain daily activities (work, grocery shopping, cleaning) with a vicodin or two that doing these things without it is almost excruciating. i'm panicking because i'm meeting my mom for lunch tomorrow and it is going to be vicodin-free. i can't remember the last time i went out to lunch without taking a couple.

i have to say, though, that i'm thinking more clearly and have used this time for a lot of self-assessment. i live with my boyfriend, who is an oxycontin addict and completely unaware of my problem. in retrospect, i realize how much i was the pot and he was the kettle. i harped on him all the time to stop. i've come to realize that just because oxys are stronger, and he used more frequently, doesn't make ME any less of an addict. i feel like such a hypocrite now. in my vicodin-induced haze i thought because i had never moved on to oxys, i was somehow better than him. i'm much more supportive now that i have recognized my own problem.

anyway, thanks everyone. i feel stronger with every post i read. good luck to all of you!

[Mastachefsteve]

Honestly i think it depends on the person. I was on vicodin for 3 years and took at the peak/end about 30 a day. I stopped taking them CT and felt nothing. However I was only on a VERY ****** high dose of oxycodone for a month and i'm still w/ding exactly 1 week later. It is getting much better however. The hot showers and gatorade help like everyone recomends. Hang in there bro

---And to DumbPpl... How about i bash your head in with a hammer every night then see if you are going to make it to work in the morning without meds. Because honestly thats pretty f'''in much what it feels like every morning of my life.When i wake up i feel like ive been hit by a bus. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF PAIN you can F'''ing talk down to us. Because you will then understand that you will do ANYTHING to getrid of the pain for even 5 mins.

[mouse1111]

im under 25 years old and i have been taking pain killers for about 4 years on and off from percocet 10's down to vicodin 5's...a lot of the time everyday more than once and taking 10's and 5's in the same day. i tried a medical detox outpatient type thing but never returned for appointments once i got clean. i relapsed due to excess surgeries and i want to quit again. how long will the chills, sweating, vomiting, irritability last? just for the vicodin 5's. so, not as bad as getting off of something stronger. i really don't want anyone being nasty towards me as i am in a very sensitive place right now. i cant go to rehab, it's out of the question and i can't go back to the doctor because i'll end up black-listed and i will need to get them in the future after other surgeries...

i've never reached out to anyone, so any advice would be helpful.

mouse

[mouse1111]

could anyone list EVERY POSSIBLE WAY to feel better? so far..it sounds like..

tylenol
gatorade
hot showers
orange juice
red bull
lots of water
(tea) but i cant drink it, makes me sick..

um, what else?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mouse1111

im under 25 years old and i have been taking pain killers for about 4 years on and off from percocet 10's down to vicodin 5's...a lot of the time everyday more than once and taking 10's and 5's in the same day. i tried a medical detox outpatient type thing but never returned for appointments once i got clean. i relapsed due to excess surgeries and i want to quit again. how long will the chills, sweating, vomiting, irritability last? just for the vicodin 5's. so, not as bad as getting off of something stronger. i really don't want anyone being nasty towards me as i am in a very sensitive place right now. i cant go to rehab, it's out of the question and i can't go back to the doctor because i'll end up black-listed and i will need to get them in the future after other surgeries...

i've never reached out to anyone, so any advice would be helpful.

mouse

No one is going to be nasty towards you. Just relax. We have been exactly where you are.

If you do this cold turkey you will feel badly for at least a week maybe two. Then you will feel almost as good as new. You have read and listed a bunch of the things that will help you feel a little better during detox. We are all a little different so I don't think anyone could list every single thing that might ever make you feel better detoxing. You already seem to know most of them.

If you don't want to do the cold turkey the hard way have you read about the Thomas Recipe on the forum??? We have at least one member doing it right now. I can direct you to that thread if you are interested. It's a proven way to detox by yourself without using suboxone or going to rehab or any of that.

[mouse1111]

yes, please direct me to the thomas thing. im on day 1 and i feel like death. i feel like im never going to make it.

[melinda7.5]

Mouse
There are a fews uf us newbees out there right now,Im on day 6 and another fellow is on day 3.If you can just let some time pass and move thru it.
You WILL be ok. hang in there,Ill be thinking of you.
Melinda

[mouse1111]

thanks for the support, i hope i can make it to day 6. what do you feel like? like, do you see the world differently or anything? does your body still hurt? do you still throw up? cry? just help me know what 5 days from today will be like..
mouse

[Robert_325]

Hi mouse ... I was just looking at the thread I mentioned. There is a lot of conversation about tapering off oxy on that thread. Not really what you need. You just need the Thomas Recipe for yourself, not this other thread. If you follow this recipe you will feel better. It is a tried and proven method to reduce your w/d symptoms. Won't make them disappear, but it will help.

I don't understand why I am unable to pull up the link I have for the Thomas Recipe. I usually just give a link and it takes you right to it. For some reason that isn't working. However all you need to do is go to Google and type The Thomas Recipe in the search box and click it. You will pull up an entire page of links that will take you right to it. Let us know how it works for you. Good luck.

[mouse1111]

i just found it, thank you so much. its nice to know that 2 people i dont even know care so much about me getting clean. i told one friend once and she told me to "just stop taking pills, get over it, and you'll be fine.." easier said than done, sadly.

[Robert_325]

The thread I was talking about is in the Featured Conditions category on this forum. The thread is titled Getting Off Oxycontin and Percocet. The guy there was having problems and he just started the Thomas Recipe. He isn't doing this without any symptoms but I know the recipe is helping his w/d symptoms. You should check out this thread. You guys can probably talk about the Thomas Recipe too. Glad we could help you.

[melinda7.5]

Yes,Im starting to feel better.Things are starting to work in my brain that havent worked in a long time.My legs still hurt a little but i am able to walk on the treamill now and that helps alot.I know every minute seems like a lifetime,
but just give it some time.you will be so glad you did.YOU CAN DO IT...
melinda

[hydrowhore]

please see my post in "for everyone". I am on day 10, and as I've said before, was a SERIOUS pill popper. This board has been my most helpful source of support. Melinda, Robert, Sister, you three have especially been great help to me.

You will get through this mouse. I cannot tell you how much better i feel. Maybe not physically all the way there yet, but mentally - life is so much simpler. Just imagine not having to worry about money for pills, or if you have enough pills again, ever. You can do this. On day 3 i started a very bland diet (bananas, yogurt, rice & toast) after not eating for three days. It is all i ate for 4 days, and slowly added more foods after that. I quit drinking any soda/carbonated beverages, stuck to water & believe it or not, orange kool aid (tasted soo good at the worst of times). Please do not give up or give in. You are so young and have your whole life ahead of you, you don't need this bullsh!!t. Please keep the faith and give it another couple days, your body WILL feel better . . . and you will feel even better about yourself.

HW

[melinda7.5]

HW
OMG...I love ging to work and coming home and not spending all the money I made on drugs.I have money again....melinda

[melinda7.5]

mouse
how are you doing today?let me know if your ok....
melinda

[mouse1111]

i feel really sick and lethargic, im taking a benzo to help with the w/d. i can't eat and i live alone and don't feel like reaching out to anyone outside of this thread. i just want to make it to tomorrow. im on day 2 now.
mouse

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mouse1111

i feel really sick and lethargic, im taking a benzo to help with the w/d. i can't eat and i live alone and don't feel like reaching out to anyone outside of this thread. i just want to make it to tomorrow. im on day 2 now.
mouse

Have you tried using the suggestions from the Thomas Recipe??? It suggests the benzo which I totally agree with but what about the other suggestions?

[mouse1111]

i have to wait until saturday to start everything else as i am currently not allowed to be on an herbal supplements, etc. i have a procedure tomorrow and im not allowed anything except for acetometiphen? products. sorry, im a terrible speller.

[hydrowhore]

If I could, I'd run you over some orange kool-aid right now . . . if you can, try a hot bath with some epsom salts (helped me through the severe pains) . . . one day i took like 6 baths . . . hang in there kiddo, it's right around the corner.

HW

[Robert_325]

Good suggestion from Hydro. The hot baths is one of the main things that is mentioned in the Thomas Recipe. It says that you can stay in the tub if you have to.

You can do the physical things that the Thomas Recipe suggests like the hot baths and exercise even if you can't begin on the supplements at this time. Try it.

[sisterwin2]

Originally Posted by mouse1111

i have to wait until saturday to start everything else as i am currently not allowed to be on an herbal supplements, etc. i have a procedure tomorrow and im not allowed anything except for acetometiphen? products. sorry, im a terrible speller.

Hang in there mouse.......... I know you feel horrible. I remember having to stay in the tub and just keep filling it.... only way I could get warm sometimes. Becarefull geting out. Take it slow.
Be sure to tell them (they will notice something is wrong) that your in WD. Your going to be tachacardic and sweating..... you want you doctor or who ever is doing the proceedure aware.. This will make the proceedure if they decide to continue alot easier. They may chose to give you a week to recover if the proceedure is elective.

I am praying for you.

Sister

[mouse1111]

they are going to know?!!?!?!?!? what does taharacardiac mean? i was just going to tell them im sick, its not an elective procedure i wish it was!

[sisterwin2]

Originally Posted by mouse1111

they are going to know?!!?!?!?!? what does taharacardiac mean? i was just going to tell them im sick, its not an elective procedure i wish it was!

sorry.. tachy means fast heart rate...... yes you need to tell them, why would you not tell them...... I learn alowng time ago never to lie to you laywer your mom and your doctor

[hydrowhore]

we're all worried about you mouse . . . please check in!
HW