[groucy]

Went outside for a bit. Fresh air was very good. This body has got to start giving me a break though - gotta stop hurting! I did get some Gatorade. So far, not any better from that. I'm sorry I sound so depressing...but I am.

[tired2]

Hi Groucy,
I know how you feel I to got hooked on Morph and every other pain med ...I also was on Xanax ,Klonopin most my life and I'm 52....I had several surgeries and was seeing a P/M doctor .He wasn't to happy when I went to rehab . I give you credit going C/T...I had to go to rehab but that just got me off the Morph and Xanax, Klonopin....they told me no caffiene never new why... I only stayed a week and started going thru w/d thats when I left and went back to the P/M doctor.
That was 1 1/2 years ago and started the Klonopin and Vic's except this time he wouldn't give me anything stronger . I later found out that he had black balled me . Now I'm going the Sub route which I now which I had just gone c/d.
You will get thru this and it will be the beginning of your new life.
Take Care
Pam

[MARLEY123]

Originally Posted by xcalibure

another question, if i ever take another pain killer again or "fall off the wagon" even once will i be readdicted to the pain killers and have to go through all of this again?

yes your body will go through it again and again and it gets worse each time i have been struggling with this addiction for years. Each time gets worse and worse.

[groucy]

Day 5! I actually slept last night. I was up at least 4 different times and soaking wet with sweat but I did sleep a total of about 6 hours! Today is MUCH better but still some muscle/bone aches. Still depression but I actually was able to stop at the store and pick up some groceries!

Ok. I think I am through the worst of it. NOOOOOO desire for pain pills at this point but I am on guard. I don't have any anyway and really can't see myself making that choice again!!!! I NEVER WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN!

Thanks to all of you who offered support!

[josquin]

Hi everyone,
I found your forum on the web. I've been abusing vicodin (about 8 a day, 7.5mg) for about four years. I was an alcoholic with 14 years of sobriety when I had an episode of back pain and was prescribed vikes, percoset, even dilaudid for it. The back pain resolved but taking the drugs made me realize how great it feels to be high. So I am back where I started with sobriety.

My doc has given me some meds to deal with the withdrawal symptoms, though we did not discuss addiction. I am such a COWARD. Anyway, they all feel fairly awful (xanax, klonopin) so I am glad that they are not going to be a new drug of choice for me.

The physical part of withdrawal has been pretty awful. My biggest fear is of changing lanes back to alcohol.

I'd appreciate your advice.

thanks

Originally Posted by josquin

Hi everyone,
I found your forum on the web. I've been abusing vicodin (about 8 a day, 7.5mg) for about four years. I was an alcoholic with 14 years of sobriety when I had an episode of back pain and was prescribed vikes, percoset, even dilaudid for it. The back pain resolved but taking the drugs made me realize how great it feels to be high. So I am back where I started with sobriety.

My doc has given me some meds to deal with the withdrawal symptoms, though we did not discuss addiction. I am such a COWARD. Anyway, they all feel fairly awful (xanax, klonopin) so I am glad that they are not going to be a new drug of choice for me.

The physical part of withdrawal has been pretty awful. My biggest fear is of changing lanes back to alcohol.

I'd appreciate your advice.

thanks

I too was a vic addict at my peak I was up to 12-15 10/325s a day. I won't sugar coat it for you withdrawls are not easy it will be a week of hell. Is it worth it to get clean YOU BET....you just have to stay strong and stick to your goal. It takes a lot of internal will but you seem like a determined person.
Talk to Robert or Melinda in here they can fill you in on the thomas recipie to help a little with the w/d's I used a muscle relaxer and tylenol PM to help with the muscle spasms and sleep issues. Just stay determined and you can make it, posting in here is a great way to vent and get advice, we have all been through it too.
Feel free to read my story at Veteran Vicodin Addict.

Best wishes in your recovery.

AFSGTSAM..............aka Eric

[josquin]

Thanks, Eric. I went to an AA meeting today and then had a long talk with my husband. I feel like I have to work the 12-step program to resolve these issues. But support from forums like this one and people like you have lifted my heart!

Thank you so much.

[melinda7.5]

Hi josquin

How many days have you been clean...
I had a nasty pill habit myself OH Man
This forum has helped me also...I just could not totally quit till I found this place.
Here is the Thomas Recipe Eric is talking about.
Keep us posted on how you are doing...
Talk to you later, Melinda

THOMAS RECIPE

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

Thomas"

[lap12766]

I have been reading this thread to see what I am going to face, stopping cold turkey taking vicodin for over 2 years now, on average I have been taking 4 to 10 tablets a day. Well to be completely honest, it ain't totally my idea to quit but I have desided that quitting is the way to go. What am I truely and honestly going to face, I have a couple days left with 2 maybe 4 a day for about 2 maybe 3 days. So please be honest and direct with me, hold back no punches please. I may be scared and confused about things, but not about quitting my relationship with vicodin.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by lap12766

I have been reading this thread to see what I am going to face, stopping cold turkey taking vicodin for over 2 years now, on average I have been taking 4 to 10 tablets a day. Well to be completely honest, it ain't totally my idea to quit but I have desided that quitting is the way to go. What am I truely and honestly going to face, I have a couple days left with 2 maybe 4 a day for about 2 maybe 3 days. So please be honest and direct with me, hold back no punches please. I may be scared and confused about things, but not about quitting my relationship with vicodin.

Count on feeling like hell for about 4-5 days. After that it will get a little better each day. If you will follow the Thomas Recipe it will help you with the w/d symptoms. Lots of people have used it successfully. Here is link you should check out. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...wal-35169.html

[lap12766]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Count on feeling like hell for about 4-5 days. After that it will get a little better each day. If you will follow the Thomas Recipe it will help you with the w/d symptoms. Lots of people have used it successfully. Here is link you should check out. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...wal-35169.html

thank you very much, I printed out a copy of the Thomas Recipe, I have a question though, does the fact that I am already taking Klonopin 2mg bedtime, help me slightly out at the start, my mental health meds at bedtime are prescribed to put me to sleep at night (2mg Klonopin and 800mg of Seroquel), thought to be honest about it, this was also the part of the day that I would either add a couple vicodin or more to. And to be open about my addiction my doctor was fine with me having 120 tabs a month following his directions of only 4 a day, but I had figured out that his direction of 2 every 4 to 6 hour actually mean I could refill the 120 tab script every 15 days, he just caught onto it and I looked face to face at my own addiction, and didn't like what I saw.

[Robert_325]

You know those scripts ACTUALLY say "every 4-6 hours AS NEEDED" ... not every 4-6 hours. That's why the drs get POd.

Man I hate to see you take much more than 2mg of klonopin AND 800mg Seroquel. Is the seroquel for something other than sleep? That's an awfully high dose just for sleep. The most I ever used was 150mg for sleep and you wouldn't even believe how many drugs I took for over 35 years. God bless.

[lap12766]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You know those scripts ACTUALLY say "every 4-6 hours AS NEEDED" ... not every 4-6 hours. That's why the drs get POd.

Man I hate to see you take much more than 2mg of klonopin AND 800mg Seroquel. Is the seroquel for something other than sleep? That's an awfully high dose just for sleep. The most I ever used was 150mg for sleep and you wouldn't even believe how many drugs I took for over 35 years. God bless.

My sleep issues stem from PTSD and a list of other mental health issue, my total medication list would take up a lot of thread space. between health and mental health issues my night stand looks like a mini drug store. (MS/Epilepsy/a brain tumor, non-op non-cancer/ and trust me the health issues are a lot easier to list than the diagnosed mental issues)

[Robert_325]

I can't say that I'm glad about your health conditions but at least I know there is a legitimate medical reason for all the seroquel. It kind of concerned me. I have to ask questions so I know I'm not getting in the middle of something I would be better off staying away from. Take care. God bless.

[Brian G]

Originally Posted by lap12766

I have been reading this thread to see what I am going to face, stopping cold turkey taking vicodin for over 2 years now, on average I have been taking 4 to 10 tablets a day. Well to be completely honest, it ain't totally my idea to quit but I have desided that quitting is the way to go. What am I truely and honestly going to face, I have a couple days left with 2 maybe 4 a day for about 2 maybe 3 days. So please be honest and direct with me, hold back no punches please. I may be scared and confused about things, but not about quitting my relationship with vicodin.

LAP your story is very very similar to mine . you can find my story at vicodin withdrawl .. I was on 8 to 12 vicodin a day for 2 1/2 years i just started my detox monday and have been clean for almost 4 days now .. (cold turkey)
to be truthful as of right now i haven't had any bad w/d . the 1st day just a little restless leg syndrome sneezing & emotional and i was on the pills day and night . depending on if you want to do it cold turkey or not I used the following to help me 1. a good multi vitamin 2. vitamin water 3. 6 glasses of water a day 4. bananas . 5 most important this site to talk to others and vent .. keep us posted and god bless you


Brian G

[lap12766]

Originally Posted by Brian G

LAP your story is very very similar to mine . you can find my story at vicodin withdrawl .. I was on 8 to 12 vicodin a day for 2 1/2 years i just started my detox monday and have been clean for almost 4 days now .. (cold turkey)
to be truthful as of right now i haven't had any bad w/d . the 1st day just a little restless leg syndrome sneezing & emotional and i was on the pills day and night . depending on if you want to do it cold turkey or not I used the following to help me 1. a good multi vitamin 2. vitamin water 3. 6 glasses of water a day 4. bananas . 5 most important this site to talk to others and vent .. keep us posted and god bless you


Brian G

Thanks Brian and all, but it seems that my doctors actually talk to each other, namely my pcp spoke to my shrink, whom has desided that as soon as a female detox unit bed is open, that is where I will be doing my detox. I explained to him my side of wishing to home cold turkeyin this issue, he said NFW, I live in a rural area of Alliance Ohio about 35 minute to the nearest hospital, and he feels that it may be better to be a 4 day inpatient detoxed with some medication, sorry forgot the name of it. My counter to his oppinion was that I have lifeline (the I've fallen and can't get up botton), and a home health care aide two hours a day, still no go to him.

[Brian G]

Originally Posted by lap12766

Thanks Brian and all, but it seems that my doctors actually talk to each other, namely my pcp spoke to my shrink, whom has desided that as soon as a female detox unit bed is open, that is where I will be doing my detox. I explained to him my side of wishing to home cold turkeyin this issue, he said NFW, I live in a rural area of Alliance Ohio about 35 minute to the nearest hospital, and he feels that it may be better to be a 4 day inpatient detoxed with some medication, sorry forgot the name of it. My counter to his oppinion was that I have lifeline (the I've fallen and can't get up botton), and a home health care aide two hours a day, still no go to him.

well best wishes to you hope everything works out great . congrads on taking this step . god bless you

try to stay in touch here let us know how your recovery is going !

Brian G

[Opee]

Hi, Robert, Melinda and Kara if you're out there (I hope you are).

Been a while with some ups and downs, mainly downs. I was doing really good and then my best friend since I was 12 died 2 weeks ago. Long story short he drank himself to death. Officially he had a seizure due to the DT's, hit his head and stopped breathing. Suffice it to sat I took it hard and went on a pretty bad bender. I'm into my dealer for alot (paid it down to only a few hundred so that's OK) but I took 24 Norco's the day before the funeral. That's 48 Vicodins to any normal humans out there. I am ashamed and disgusted by it. The worst part is I could have done more. I did heroin for the first time (snorted) two nights in a row and son of a ********** I let a tiger out of a cage. If you like pills, do not even go near this ********. Since we're honest here it was an amazing feeling. For a while. Like all opiates. Anyway, I am now 100% committed to this and firmly entrenched in Day Two. My Dr. gave me a ton of Xanax (because I was a legitimate train wreck) and it's all that's keeping me on my feet. That and a handful of Klonnie's I fast talked a friend into.

The reason for my post is that we all have trials in life, it's how we handle those trials that define us as a man (or woman). I feel I chose a very poor path to honor my friend's memory. There is no Fate but what we make. Nothing is preordained. We all have the ability to change ourselves and our positions in life at any time. All it takes is that first step. Make that first step. I did.

I am going to beat this. I never had the resolve before. It truly took the death of my best friend for me to get my ******** together.

K, if you're out there, drop me a line. I can't wait to meet you on the Other Side. I'm coming, Sister, save me a seat!

Opee

[karaboo]

I will post an update later tonight but I wanted you to know Opee that you've been in my thoughts and prayers for the last month. You're not alone in your struggles, hon, I'm right there with ya. I am so sorry for your loss; I know how devastating that can be. Keep your head up, and feel free to email me.

Hugs,

~Kara

[Freedom4me]

Opee,
So sorry for your loss. You are right though that you can honor your friend in another way and it sounds like you are going to do that. You don't want the same fate. It's not a start over, it's a new beginning for you. I know you want to do this and that you can do this. This set back is not the end of the world. Keep moving forward...

[magsj]

Dear Opee:

Have been participating in this forum for about 6 months and have read your posts from time to time. I am so sorry to hear abou your friend. I think recovery would be a great way to honor your friend; I am sure that is his wish for you! I completly agree with your philosophy regarding choices in life. I too believe there is nothing preordained and that our fate is in our own hands. Yes, I have made poor choices at times, but I have to remind myself often that I also have made many good choices as well. Drug Addict is not all that I am, there IS much more to me that is good (It took me awhile to come to this conclusion..hehehe).

My DOC was Norco and there are times when I took 18 a day, so I know what you mean about thinking you could take more (very frightfull to think that is 36 Vicodin, never thought of that). I am now on Subutex 4mg a day, tapered to 4mg and am just beginning the process of tapering down again.

Best wishes to you. You have CHOSEN the best path my friend.

mags

[Opee]

Originally Posted by karaboo

I will post an update later tonight but I wanted you to know Opee that you've been in my thoughts and prayers for the last month. You're not alone in your struggles, hon, I'm right there with ya. I am so sorry for your loss; I know how devastating that can be. Keep your head up, and feel free to email me.

Hugs,

~Kara

K!

Thanks so much for responding. I was so hoping you would. Here we are at Day 3 (again). I am doing it this time. I even turned down an offer last night, which is the biggest step ever. I do not feel good. I wake up at 4am and take a Xanax. Sometimes I go back to sleep, sometimes I don't (like last night). I just have to get thru work today and I am off tomorrow. Friday will be Day 5 and as I have been thru this many times before, it will be a better day. Day 3 is typically the worst for me (and it is now). I exist in time frames of an hour. If I can just make it to 12:00.... then, if I can just make it to 1:00, and on it goes. The nice thing about Klonnies is that they remove the majority of the pukiness feelings but make me a zombie. I'll take Night of the Living Dead over the shakes any day of the week. The chills are THE worst for me. I'm always cold. Everyone is in short sleeve shirts and I have to wear a long sleeve since my desk is under the A/C (I seem to get all the breaks... I alternated between freezing and sweating all night and my A/C is set at 79 degrees! My friend came over (who offered - he is a friend, not a creep) in shorts and was like ******** it's hot in here! Anyway, steady as she goes.

K, how are you, Girl? About 2 months clean now?

Much love,
Opee

[Opee]

Originally Posted by Opee

K!

Thanks so much for responding. I was so hoping you would. Here we are at Day 3 (again). I am doing it this time. I even turned down an offer last night, which is the biggest step ever. I do not feel good. I wake up at 4am and take a Xanax. Sometimes I go back to sleep, sometimes I don't (like last night). I just have to get thru work today and I am off tomorrow. Friday will be Day 5 and as I have been thru this many times before, it will be a better day. Day 3 is typically the worst for me (and it is now). I exist in time frames of an hour. If I can just make it to 12:00.... then, if I can just make it to 1:00, and on it goes. The nice thing about Klonnies is that they remove the majority of the pukiness feelings but make me a zombie. I'll take Night of the Living Dead over the shakes any day of the week. The chills are THE worst for me. I'm always cold. Everyone is in short sleeve shirts and I have to wear a long sleeve since my desk is under the A/C (I seem to get all the breaks... I alternated between freezing and sweating all night and my A/C is set at 79 degrees! My friend came over (who offered - he is a friend, not a creep) in shorts and was like ******** it's hot in here! Anyway, steady as she goes.

K, how are you, Girl? About 2 months clean now?

Much love,
Opee

Freedom4Me and Mags, thank you so much for the kind words of support. I am at work and I get leary of walking away from my desk with this site up (for obvious reasons). Sometimes I have to get off quickly, but as a long time addict, I'm good at being sneaky. Thank you again to EVERYONE on this site, I have never in my life seen a group of complete strangers band together with so much genuine love and support. We're all in this together. I don't care if it's Day 1 or Day 100. Every day is a struggle.

Regards,
Opee

[karaboo]

Originally Posted by Opee

K!

Thanks so much for responding. I was so hoping you would. Here we are at Day 3 (again). I am doing it this time. I even turned down an offer last night, which is the biggest step ever. I do not feel good. I wake up at 4am and take a Xanax. Sometimes I go back to sleep, sometimes I don't (like last night). I just have to get thru work today and I am off tomorrow. Friday will be Day 5 and as I have been thru this many times before, it will be a better day. Day 3 is typically the worst for me (and it is now). I exist in time frames of an hour. If I can just make it to 12:00.... then, if I can just make it to 1:00, and on it goes. The nice thing about Klonnies is that they remove the majority of the pukiness feelings but make me a zombie. I'll take Night of the Living Dead over the shakes any day of the week. The chills are THE worst for me. I'm always cold. Everyone is in short sleeve shirts and I have to wear a long sleeve since my desk is under the A/C (I seem to get all the breaks... I alternated between freezing and sweating all night and my A/C is set at 79 degrees! My friend came over (who offered - he is a friend, not a creep) in shorts and was like ******** it's hot in here! Anyway, steady as she goes.

K, how are you, Girl? About 2 months clean now?

Much love,
Opee

Hey Opee! I'm close to 30 days again, actually. I slipped a disc in my back in the first week of June and was on hydros and soma for two weeks. I've really been struggling. I want soooo badly to call in a scrip! I almost did two days ago and when I was thinking about it yesterday I got an email saying you had posted. Your post brought me back here, where I need to be. Thank you so much, it was exactly what I needed. I've missed you LOL!

~Kara

k

[jworley35]

Originally Posted by Opee

K!

Thanks so much for responding. I was so hoping you would. Here we are at Day 3 (again). I am doing it this time. I even turned down an offer last night, which is the biggest step ever. I do not feel good. I wake up at 4am and take a Xanax. Sometimes I go back to sleep, sometimes I don't (like last night). I just have to get thru work today and I am off tomorrow. Friday will be Day 5 and as I have been thru this many times before, it will be a better day. Day 3 is typically the worst for me (and it is now). I exist in time frames of an hour. If I can just make it to 12:00.... then, if I can just make it to 1:00, and on it goes. The nice thing about Klonnies is that they remove the majority of the pukiness feelings but make me a zombie. I'll take Night of the Living Dead over the shakes any day of the week. The chills are THE worst for me. I'm always cold. Everyone is in short sleeve shirts and I have to wear a long sleeve since my desk is under the A/C (I seem to get all the breaks... I alternated between freezing and sweating all night and my A/C is set at 79 degrees! My friend came over (who offered - he is a friend, not a creep) in shorts and was like ******** it's hot in here! Anyway, steady as she goes.

K, how are you, Girl? About 2 months clean now?

Much love,
Opee

Well just like you -- I am on day 3 and sitting at my desk at work just watching the clock tick, tick, tick and the end of day could not come any sooner. Last night for me was very bad -- I tossed, and turned all night long and just could not get comfortable in order to sleep. Today is my third day clean and I feel awful -- achy, tired, irritable, and have cold flashes all the time. I went cold turkey after Sunday night -- of which I took 14 10/325 Vic and then cold turkey after that!

Have been on them for about 1 year I would say -- and never thought I would experience any kind of withdrawal symptoms -- boy was I wrong!

I am just hoping most people are correct in this forum that after day 5 things will start to get better! If that is so, then I only have a couple of more 'bad' nights to endure!

Thanks for all the good advice and kind words in this forum!

Jeff

[Opee]

Originally Posted by jworley35

Well just like you -- I am on day 3 and sitting at my desk at work just watching the clock tick, tick, tick and the end of day could not come any sooner. Last night for me was very bad -- I tossed, and turned all night long and just could not get comfortable in order to sleep. Today is my third day clean and I feel awful -- achy, tired, irritable, and have cold flashes all the time. I went cold turkey after Sunday night -- of which I took 14 10/325 Vic and then cold turkey after that!

Have been on them for about 1 year I would say -- and never thought I would experience any kind of withdrawal symptoms -- boy was I wrong!

I am just hoping most people are correct in this forum that after day 5 things will start to get better! If that is so, then I only have a couple of more 'bad' nights to endure!

Thanks for all the good advice and kind words in this forum!

Jeff

Hey Jeff,

We sound real similar, I've just been at it ALOT longer. Count on 5 bad days, then it will slowly get better. You may be lookintg at 2 weeks, depending on your usage. I doubt it, you should notice a huge change by Friday. Day 3 has always been the absolute worst for me and it is now. Tough to work, I feel you, Brother. Alot of people talk about the Thomas Recipe, but it didn't do much for me. I spent alot of money at GNC for little to no benefit. Klonopin is huge, Pottassium pills (every morning) 800mg Ibuprofen and water water water. I bought all the herbal ******** and it did nothing. When you are as hardcore as I am something like Valerian Root is a Pez (not to diss anyone, all our bodies are different - if it works for you, right on!).

Nights are tough. It's all you can do to get thru work thinking, "God, if I could just get home, it'll all be OK." Then you lay on the couch feeling exactly the same. I've been an addict of about everything at one time or another for @20 years (I'm 36). Hydro's became my DOC about 8 years ago and I can literally trace the progression. I remember when 2 got me high. Then 3. Now it takes me a minimum of 12 (or 6 norco's) to get off and mostly it just makes me feel normal.

You have two very amazing people on this site, Robert and Melinda. Or as I affectionately refer to them as the Dynamic Duo. Wherever you and I have been, they have been there and more. They know what's what, they do not judge and offer nothing but love, encouragement and support (as does everyone).

Bite on a stick because you're gonna kick covers for a few more days. The worst thing I learned (this isn't my first rodeo) is that the W/D's get worse every time. When you get to our point, it's all or nothing. I just can't be a casual user. Few can. Keep on keepin' on, Man, I'm with you. Look forward to hearing your report on Day 4. You can expect mine. Stay cool! Or don't, because I'm effing freezing and it's hot as blazes outside! That's my worst, the chills.

Jeff (Opee is my opiate alias - clever, huh?)

[Robert_325]

Opee ... sorry to hear about your friend. I've buried three lifelong friends this past year myself. Two of them died due to addiction. One was a heart attack. It's tough losing old buddies like that. Sorry you found it necessary to use over it but it is what it is. Now you've got to do the next right thing. Let me know if I can help. God bless.


jworley .... Congratulations! Three days is a miracle. It's hell but with three days under your belt there's no turning back now. In another three days you'll be feeling really good about yourself. Around days 3-5 are usually the worst for most people. Then you'll get a little better each day.

You're talking about the bad nights. Remember that if you're laying in bed tossing and turning just get up. It's easier to stay up than fighting it in bed all night. Try a hot shower about an hour before you go to bed. Go for a walk maybe around the block during the evening. I promise that moderate exercise is the best medicine there is for opiate w/d. Hope that helps. God bless.

[jworley35]

Originally Posted by Opee

Hey Jeff,

We sound real similar, I've just been at it ALOT longer. Count on 5 bad days, then it will slowly get better. You may be lookintg at 2 weeks, depending on your usage. I doubt it, you should notice a huge change by Friday. Day 3 has always been the absolute worst for me and it is now. Tough to work, I feel you, Brother. Alot of people talk about the Thomas Recipe, but it didn't do much for me. I spent alot of money at GNC for little to no benefit. Klonopin is huge, Pottassium pills (every morning) 800mg Ibuprofen and water water water. I bought all the herbal ******** and it did nothing. When you are as hardcore as I am something like Valerian Root is a Pez (not to diss anyone, all our bodies are different - if it works for you, right on!).

Nights are tough. It's all you can do to get thru work thinking, "God, if I could just get home, it'll all be OK." Then you lay on the couch feeling exactly the same. I've been an addict of about everything at one time or another for @20 years (I'm 36). Hydro's became my DOC about 8 years ago and I can literally trace the progression. I remember when 2 got me high. Then 3. Now it takes me a minimum of 12 (or 6 norco's) to get off and mostly it just makes me feel normal.

You have two very amazing people on this site, Robert and Melinda. Or as I affectionately refer to them as the Dynamic Duo. Wherever you and I have been, they have been there and more. They know what's what, they do not judge and offer nothing but love, encouragement and support (as does everyone).

Bite on a stick because you're gonna kick covers for a few more days. The worst thing I learned (this isn't my first rodeo) is that the W/D's get worse every time. When you get to our point, it's all or nothing. I just can't be a casual user. Few can. Keep on keepin' on, Man, I'm with you. Look forward to hearing your report on Day 4. You can expect mine. Stay cool! Or don't, because I'm effing freezing and it's hot as blazes outside! That's my worst, the chills.

Jeff (Opee is my opiate alias - clever, huh?)

Thanks for the encouragement Opee (and I like the alias!). Well I made it through the 3rd night and today begins day 4! My ex-wife is a nurse (RN) and she gave me some naproxin (I think that is how you spell it) and a mild type of muscle relaxer last night (I took 1/2 of it) -- and once I got to sleep, I did not toss and turn until my alarm went off this morning for the first time -- but when I got up out of bed, I had a huge headache and was exhausted. I am at work now hoping that the day will not drag like it did yesterday. Good thing is I am confident that I will stay clean for the long haul

I have a long 10 hour day today -- so I will prob. post on here again later this afternoon and let everyone know what I went through!

Talk to ya soon!

Jeff

[jworley35]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Opee ... sorry to hear about your friend. I've buried three lifelong friends this past year myself. Two of them died due to addiction. One was a heart attack. It's tough losing old buddies like that. Sorry you found it necessary to use over it but it is what it is. Now you've got to do the next right thing. Let me know if I can help. God bless.


jworley .... Congratulations! Three days is a miracle. It's hell but with three days under your belt there's no turning back now. In another three days you'll be feeling really good about yourself. Around days 3-5 are usually the worst for most people. Then you'll get a little better each day.

You're talking about the bad nights. Remember that if you're laying in bed tossing and turning just get up. It's easier to stay up than fighting it in bed all night. Try a hot shower about an hour before you go to bed. Go for a walk maybe around the block during the evening. I promise that moderate exercise is the best medicine there is for opiate w/d. Hope that helps. God bless.

Yes -- for me the bad nights are the worst -- I feel like my skin is crawling mainly on my limbs (arms & legs) and I just toss and turn and sweat and am cold -- truly, truly awful. I am happy to be on day 4 now and I do feel a little better today aside from the major headache I had when I woke up this morning. I took some tylenol for that -- but I feel like I might be able to actually get some work done today. Yesterday (day 3) I could not get ANYTHING done, and I felt soooooo bad. If every day moving forward gets better, I think I can actually kick this for good!

Also -- thanks for the advice on the getting up instead of fighting the sleeplessness. I will see if tonight is better than the last and if not, I will just get up and take a walk or something.

Thanks so much again!

Jeff

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by jworley35

Yes -- for me the bad nights are the worst -- I feel like my skin is crawling mainly on my limbs (arms & legs) and I just toss and turn and sweat and am cold -- truly, truly awful. I am happy to be on day 4 now and I do feel a little better today aside from the major headache I had when I woke up this morning. I took some tylenol for that -- but I feel like I might be able to actually get some work done today. Yesterday (day 3) I could not get ANYTHING done, and I felt soooooo bad. If every day moving forward gets better, I think I can actually kick this for good!

Also -- thanks for the advice on the getting up instead of fighting the sleeplessness. I will see if tonight is better than the last and if not, I will just get up and take a walk or something.

Thanks so much again!

Jeff

Hi Jeff .... sounds like you may be one of the lucky ones and start feeling better on day four. You're not just vegging around the house and that will help.

Activity does a world of good at the point you're at in the detox. I bet you feel like a totally different person tomorrow.

You're about to turn the corner on this based on what you've said. Keep me posted buddy! Talk to you this evening. God bless.