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Percocet 10/325 withdrawal
Percocet 10/325 withdrawal
I have been using percocet 10/325 daily for about 10 months. It is prescribed to me by a pain management specialist for a work injury, I have bulging discs in my neck and neuropathic/radiculopathy. Epidurals and facet injections haven't helped that much, but percocet really did. I was only taking 2 tablets a day for the first four months, then I went back to work and reinjured myself and his advice was double up on the percocet to get throught it. He prescribed 6 tabs a day and I was at that level for four months, from february to May. I started noticing that within four hours of a dose, I would begin to feel withdrawal symptoms: anxiety, gnawing in my stomach, muscle aches and pains, feeling cold, sweating. I've spent the last six weeks gradually tapering down. In the last few days I had four on Thursday, 3 on Friday, and 2 yesterday. Now it's Sunday morning and it has been more than 24 hours since my last dose.
I've only slept a few hours a night the last few nights. I called in sick this morning so that i could have today and my next 2 days (scheduled days off) to try and tough this out. I don't want to be physically dependent on this stuff.
I feel pretty awful though, muscle cramps, anxiety, chills and sweats, irritability, it's really rough. I spend a lot of time in the bath tub because it's so relaxing, and then just going back to bed.
I'm wondering if I should continue to just stay at 1 to 2 a day for a while and plateau there (I am coming down from taking 6 a day) and would the symptoms be easier. The last six weeks of constantly feeling these withdrawal symptoms have been so rough.
Thanks from cold foggy San Francisco
counting the hours first, and soon the days
Two hot baths, three frozen smoothies, nine innings of Giants baseball on the radio and one bicycle ride in the sunshine later ... I'm taking it hour by hour. Taking Ibuprofen 600 every 6 hours, struggling. Getting out and exercising a bit by taking a bike ride helped- so many people out and about in the neighborhood on this sunny breezy day. Took some photographs. Was good to get out but I could only take it for so long. Very glad I called in sick to try and tough this out for the next 3 days before I'm scheduled to go back to my very physical very stressful job on Wednesday.
Have spent a lot of time reading the stories on here. Wondering if I should talk to my doc about suboxone or valium or klonopin, or just tough it out cold turkey with tincture of time and OTCs. Tapering down over the last six weeks from 6 a day to 3 a day has just been six weeks of withdrawal symptoms, I just want to be off this stuff. I hate this feeling.
This is such an inspiring community. I read stories for a while, then I have to try and do something else to distract me, but the support here is truly amazing,
Hi there, I'm not the best person to give advice, because I haven't been at this very long. But I can say that your habit was relatively minor compared to others. You weren't taking a huge amount, and you weren't taking it for a very long time. I think since you have another 2 days off of work after today, that you should just quit cold turkey (assuming you haven't taken anything today). Look up the Thomas Recipe....people say that it really does help lessen the withdrawel symptoms. You are doing the right thing by getting outside as much as you can. I truly think that if you do the Thomas Recipe, take the next few days off work to alternately relax AND take walks, baths, etc., you will do great.
You are stopping this at a good time. I wish that I had opened my eyes when I was only taking 60mg a day. You've recognized that this could keep going down a bad road. I think that once you are done with these, you'll get your old life back pretty quickly and this can just be a small 10 month chapter that you can look back on and think "glad that's over!".
Now as far as your legitimate pain (the reason why you started taking them in the first place), there are lots of people on here that can help you with that. I really sympathize with everyone that has legitimate pain (like yourself) and still has to find a way to deal with it without the pills.
Anyways, good for you, keep it up and really make the most of this time off work!
Thank you moon for your response! I really appreciate knowing that someone is reading and your words of support and encouragement really help.
The thing that medical professionals (I am one) like to say about pain meds when people worry that they'll become addicted is "not if you're taking them because you really have pain." By strict definition, I wouldn't say I'm addicted, but I am physically dependent, and it is an emotional struggle to have to engage my willpower to tough this out when my body is saying "just one pill and you'll feel better!" yes, maybe temporarily I will, but ultimately by dosing up I'm only prolonging this struggle of withdrawal.
So far, the last time I took anything was yesterday morning at 7am, so I'm about 32 hours in. The feeling of taking Percocet is great but comes at such a high price.
re: the actual injury and the associated pain symptoms- I would like to get back to "baseline" of knowing what my pain is like without any opiates; I feel like the physical dependency on opiates that my body is weighted down by is in itself a source of physical pain- as the amount of drug in my body drops a few hours after a dose, I start feeling pain, but I believe that is withdrawal as much or more than it is my injury. It is rough enough having to deal with neuropathy. I got off of Lyrica because it put me into a feeling of mental fog, tried neurontin and that made me feel anxious and depressed and suicidal- neither of those were easy to withdraw from but I felt so much better without them, mentally, cognitively.
I looked up the Thomas Recipe just now. After reading that I'm thinking hmmm. Maybe I'll take a percocet and give myself a break and call my doc tomorrow and not start w/d until I can do with the first 4 days on Valium.
This is tough. This is really tough.
I was addicted to oxycontin and percs, vics what ever I could get a hold of, for about three years I quit the oxycontin and did a taper like you...so I understand what you have been thru...so if I were you and you have three days off.. don't take ANYTHING !
hold off and if you go back to work and cant take it...then you could take a very very low dose... It will make it a lot easer on you...
Great job on what you have done so far !!!
keep us posted
You are in my thoughts! I am being treated for pain. I hope you can find a way to get relief. I too understand that emotional part you spoke of. I just want you to know you are supported here. I detoxed for 10 days not too long ago but i personally could not manage the pain. I am a cancer survivor so it is suspected thatmit is due to treatment yet nobody really knows what is wrong. I wish i could be more helpful but indeed you are in my prayers. I hope the rest of your day is wonderful
Me again fog
They had me on all that cr@p to..did the same thing to me..
please rethink taking a pill you have done so well...see if you can just hold out till you talk to your doc..what's another 24 hr ... I have DDD and fibromyalgia so I understand the pain also...but it will be so much better when you get off all the drugs please just trust me on this one !!!
You're doing SUCH a great job... I urge you to stay away from taking another pill as long as you can- but I also don't think it would be horrible for you to take one pill a day or one pill every other day while you taper. But honestly- go as long between pills as you physically (or mentally) can.
Please don't look into subs... you're doing a great job as it stands as I'm sure you feel pretty crummy with the w/d symptoms, it could be a LOT worse... and look around this forum- those on subs are dealing with a lot of big time issues. It's just not worth it if you don't have to do it.
Look into the Thomas Recipe... I detoxed with the recipe but didn't include the valium- well, I substituted the benzo's (valium/ativan) with some benadryl every time I got those anxious feelings.
Also, drink a TON of water. An 8 oz glass every hour at minimum.
Keep up the good work and keep posting
thank you so much for reading and responding!
it's true, there are many people dealing with difficulty with the sub too; i'll take that advice and steer clear. using benadryl instead of valium/ativan is sure an interesting idea. in the morning i'm going to go and get the other recommended Thomas Recipe essentials and I'll try that.
I sure do feel like ???? but also I am glad to be at this point, where I could go 24, then 36 hours - we'll see how the night goes. I am very glad that I took today off to do this. 24 hours was my goal, then 36, I just passed that so I think I can make it to 48 and that will feel awesome. About to fill up the tub for my 3rd bath of the day. I feel hungry but yet have no appetite either. Been having bananas and making smoothies.
Besides the Ibuprofen 600 every 6 hours, I take Co-Enzyme Q-10 and Udo's Oil, which is a flaxseed based Omega essential fatty acids. I take both of those every day anyway. From what I read, it sounds like the other supplements in the Thomas Recipe really make it possible to do this.
Water to drink, water to soak in. If tomorrow's a nice day, I'll go spend some time at the ocean.
Thank you, with all my heart.
dear cryin out - thank you for keeping me in your thoughts! it means more than i can say. i can tell that posting here is going to be key to me being able to do this. it's not something i can share with the people in my real life.
dear melinda 7.5 - it really helps to know that you have the same issues that i have- the DDD and fibro - and to know that I have you in my corner. Thank you! and yes, Lyrica and neurontin - seems like some people love that stuff but oooo it scrambled up my mind. i want to see what i'm like on nothing neuro or psycho tropic at all. i want to feel like i'm in control of my mind and body again.
dear amanda - thank you for your support! i appreciate the reminder about water water water. i'm filling a tub, poured in my last 3 cups of epsom salts and just drank a glass of water and had a banana and some benadryl. I took 50mg, which is a lot, but I think that was a good idea, and benadryl's relatively benign, and I haven't been sleeping well. I think it'll be very calming. I usually don't even take benadryl when i have allergy symptoms because it's so sedating, but I had some on hand from a bad bout a few months ago. It's unusual for me to even have any in the house, I'm so glad I did. How much did you take?
How long did you use the Thomas Recipe? If I have to, I can call in sick on Weds too, that would get me through four days.
I really want to do this. I really don't want to take any more perc.
the chills! i feel SO COLD and it's not that cold out- thermostat in my house says 70 in here. My feet feel numb and sore and I'm shivering.
Hi Fog, you sound like you are doing great (well, I know you aren't feeling great...but believe me, you are doing great!). You have a really positive situation in that you can take this time off and focus on yourself. Think of how this would be going if you had no time off of work!!!
You CAN get through this....try to picture how you will be feeling 10 days from now. I just really don't think you will be one of those people having issues weeks later. I think if you can tough out these next couple of days, you will start really feeling the positive effects. I guess I'm saying that because I did quit at a time that I was taking about what you were. I remember how I felt about 9 days later.....AWESOME! I can remember thinking at that time "why was I even taking those things??". My problem is then boredom sets in, I get cocky and think "I'll just take them on the weekends, etc etc ". Same old story.
I agree with Melinda....try to not take anything during this time off from work. If when you go back to work you absolutely have to, you can think of it then. But I suspect by that time, you won't want to take anything. Keep going and keep posting!
I've almost made it to 48 hours, will have to set my next goal now, making it to 56 hours - Thank you Amanda for the benadryl suggestion. I took 50mg of Benadryl and a 3mg Lunesta and a hot bath with Epsom Salts and was able to sleep six hours straight through. woke up feeling a preview of what it will feel like to wake up mornings in the future without my body yearning for this drug. There was a few minutes where my body actually felt good. Now that gnawing aching and chills are back. Going to drink some water, take some more benadryl, get to the health food store when it opens for Thomas ingredients.
Thank you for posting to support me! Having your advice informed by your experience and that of others who have done this before me chronicled on this site is really making it possible for me to do this. It would be so easy to cave.
It's amazing really how powerfully this stuff pwns you ! Even at as low a dose as I was down to, this break off point is tough.
I made it to 48 hours with no percocet! big landmark.
It's going to take a lot of strength and force of will to get moving enough to get out of here and go buy the things I need though.
Gotta do it.
Well let me be the first to congratulate you!!!
But also be aware that days 3 and 4 tend to be the hardest. Hunker down with the Thomas recipe and anything else to keep you as comfortable as you can get... You can do this- think of how long you've gone already! When I was going through w/d I took one vicodin on day 2.5 and it prolonged my w/d for an entire day... it wasn't worth it for the 2 hours that I felt better.
You can do it!
uuuuuuuuugh thank you for posting the encouragement helps a lot.
if tomorrow and the next day are going to be worse than this ...
i have to just stay in the moment
honestly don't know how i am going to do this
filling a bath now, then will go out for the thomas recipe ingredients
except i don't have any benzos. will take more benadryl
I'm about to cave and take a perc 10/325. I can't take this. My doctor tried to call me at 1:30 when I was in the bath. His medical assistant says he's going to try again at the end of his day.
this is soooo hard. i feel really awful.
56 hours since my last dose.
YOU CAN DO IT.
Seriously. You can.
Remember: you have the flu. There are worse things in life than having the flu. And think, by Thursday you'll be a LOT better, I promise.
Read the stories on here... especially the people coming off oxy. Wow. I thought I felt bad.
Force yourself to go on a walk. For 30 minutes.
DRINK A TON OF WATER.
Lots of love... you're close by me- I'm in Sacto
Hi Fog! I hope that you were able to hold off....I'm really pulling for you! I think because I just know that if you can get through this next few days, you will see such a change. I do remember feeling very dissapointed that day 5 was so ?????? for me when I quit that time. But it was right after that that I turned a major corner. Oh if I had just stuck with it, where would I be now???
I second the walking! I actually worked out today for the first time in a LONG time and I feel SO great. I'm taking the subs. A small amount but I thought I would have tapered down by now. I feel like maybe if I work in the exercise, and make that a part of my life, it will be easier to completely get off everything. After I worked out I felt like I could conquer the world. I'm not suggesting a full workout for you, because you are going through a lot right now. But you mention that you live by the beach? Could you drive (or if walk, lucky you!) there and take a nice walk by the ocean? I think that would fortify your body and mind, and you will be ready to take on these next few hours. Remember, just an hour, or a minute at a time...
fortunately, my doc called at the end of his day- 5pm - i was trying to hold out till he called. he said "it's not wrong if you take half a tab or something, and go easier on yourself. i'm a band-aid off quick kinda guy though, and you've made it this far. i'll give you a week's worth of a strong dose of valium, it'll knock you on your butt so don't plan on working." and he called it in- 14 tabs of valium ten. I got my friend to take me to the pharmacy and it was just gloriously sunny and warm so I walked from the pharmacy a couple of blocks to Whole Foods- Walgreen's did not have L-Tyrosine- and getting out really gave me a lift.
(side note, San Francisco microclimates are a-mazing. Five blocks away in Noe Valley was easily ten degrees warmer and no wind, compared to my neighborhood on the other side of the hill. a-mazing.)
so yes, I held off, and will continue to try to hold off. i bought protein-vitamin shake mix so I can get nutrition without the work of trying to prepare something. It's 8pm, I made it through another 12 hours.
Going out back to sit in the hot tub now. Thank you soooo much for the encouragement. This is freaking hard.
I'm glad your doctor wrote the script for the valium - it will most definitely help you. I drank Shakeology my entire detox and oddly enough it helped a LOT. Look into the stuff... it's amazing.
Your doctor is right, though, half a tab or even a 1/4 won't hurt... but unfortunately a lot of people would say "ok, just half one"... and then the next time they felt kinda crummy they'd take the other half- and then all this hard work would be for nothing. So anyway... if you can handle just one half a tablet, then great... you are doing a great job for even having them in the house!
I absolutely LOVE the microclimates of SF... we lived in the Sunset when we lived in SF and I loved it there. I miss it tremendously... but really do like living in Sacramento.
i wonder how i should be counting the days. Saturday am was my last dose, at 8 am - so was that Day One? or is Sunday, my first day without anything Day one?
Today's Monday, so I'm either on Day 2 or Day 3. Why this should even matter, IDK, except I'd like to think I'm in the worst of it now and that it's going to be better soon.
I took a hot epsom salts bath, a bunch of vitamins per Thomas Recipe, and a 10mg of Valium and hour ago and really can't believe I'm still awake after 10 of valium. i was all chills before today, although the temps were hot outside, and now i'm totally totally sweating soaking through my clothes. Aches, stomach cramps, gnawing empty gaping feeling inside, skin crawling. The valium did seem to knock out the RLS though, and that sure is nice. That ????e is annoying.
Dear Frisco Fog, from your future self- thank you so much for doing this. I can not tell you how much you've improved our quality of life and hopefulness and sense of freedom by doing this. please stick with it. i know you can do it. it feels ????ty now but it's just temporary and think how good you will feel when you no longer have days of w/d symptoms. hang in there.
Wow- this is so funny... my most successful detox was the time in which I took my last dose on Saturday at 8am. And in one of my posts I wrote to my future self...
Ok, so Sunday at 8am is the END of day 1 for you. So you are officially on day 3 and day 3 will be over tomorrow morning at 8am... then on to day 4. By Wednesday you will hopefully be improving... and if not by then, by Thursday.
I think this is day 4 for you, so things will start to turn around for you...
I must tell you great job and I'm so glad you waited for your doctor and didn't cave.
for most of us ..just that one pill blows it for us...
If you can, do some exercise today it will help with starting up your endorphins.
very happy for you !!!
yes so this is day four. i got an rx for valium, took one last night at 8pm and got some sleep, took another one about 8 this morning. not really sleeping, but the RLS is better. today is a little better than yesterday I think- still feels awful, but in a different way- just feel very tired and weak and achy and flu-ish- yesterday was a real battle.
I'm not really clear on the dosage and schedule of the different things in the thomas recipe, so i took l-tyrosine early this am (500mg) and waited an hour, then had a protein shake which also has a bunch of vitamins and minerals in it, and took potassium. a few hours went by and I feel so weak so I took some more minerals and potassium.
it's so nice out, hoping to feel good enough in a bit to get out and get a little sunshine and fresh air but not pushing it.
i truly could not have done this without your checkins and encouragement.
i am supposed to go back to work tomorrow but i think i will give myself one more day.
went out for about 20 minutes for a slow-paced walk in the sunshine. really not feeling so hot at all, tired, weak. but at least the skin crawling muscle cramping nauseous sore all over stuff from yesterday has abated. just feel really tired and weak and no appetite and uncomfortable- just plain lousy. will call in for another sick day tomorrow and hopefully will be able to return to work thursday.
i'm really really glad i did this. now i know i'm going to make it. i feel pretty sure the worst part is done (yesterday) and this is just like a rotten flu. baseball's on tonight and that's always a great diversion for me. if i were up to it, i'd be going to the game but no way. i could barely make it around the block. in fact, i'm so proud of myself for even getting fully dressed and going out.
drinking lots of water, having protein/vitamin shakes (some brand from whole foods called Alive!) and hanging in there.
really feel so glad i made it this far.
Looks like we are neighbors. Here in the Bay Area myself and was born in SF, went to school there until after HS them moved on out into the world. Noe Valley know exactly where that is. One of my best buds lived on the corner of Noe and 23rd. Moved to Antioch then Vegas. Myself I'm out in San Ramon but work in Oakland.
Just wanted to chime in and say hang in there you are doing the right thing. Flu like symptoms are one of the main characteristics of opiate detox.
Thanks Henry! I really appreciate the encouragement.
San Francisco's an amazing place to live, that's for sure. I feel lucky that we were only in the 80s today here in my neighborhood while everywhere else in the bay area topped 100.
Today is definitely an improvement over yesterday so I hope this trend continues and that I've come through the worst and it will only get easier from here. Yesterday I felt so bad it was very, very difficult not to take any percocet because I knew I would feel better. But I didn't. Definitely think the valium helped. And the power of hot baths is really amazing. I've been doing that a LOT.
I live on the side of a hill overlooking San Bruno mountain and I am watching the fingers of fog roll in off the ocean now. Going to take my radio out back to sit in the hot tub and listen to the Giants pre-game. Will call in sick and take one more day, I don't think I'm ready for my very physical, very stressful job yet, but maybe by Thursday.
I took percocet for an injury, and am hoping that I will be able to live without it. The physical dependence is such a high price to pay for the pain relief.
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