[fkunorko]

I know there is really no scale of addictivness, but which one would you say is more addictive? Oxycodone (oxycontin, percocet, percodan etc) or hydrocodone? (vicoden, norco, lortab, lorcet, etc) I am getting down to where I only take a couple of 10mg hydrocodones per day, I thought 10mg was the highest pill available..But then I read about 80mg ones which leads me to believe that oxycodone must be not quite as strong??? Can they even be compared? I dont want to try so thought i'd ask<br>

Also, what kind of withdrawals can I expect if I'm only taking 2 or 3 of the 10mg hydros (immediate release) for the WHOLE day and I completely quit? I'm getting kinda scared, but then i read about 80mg pills and maybe the initial withdrawls wont be so bad compared to taking those... I've been tapering for a while (as you probably know) and I think its time to finally kick it out completely. It has been dificult as heck these past few days to ONLY take 3 or less...so i'm thinking its time to just be done!! I've been dragging it out for almost a year! But i'm scared because at about 18-20 hours I feel so aweful that if it gets much worse I'd never be able to quit! So invariably I always end up taking one just to feel better and quit worrying how much worse i'm going to feel!
GrrrrrrrrrrrRr

[DSLDAW]

It is very hard to tell what kind of withdrawls you will have,as
everyone is different.I will tell you my not so proud past.
I used to drink and do Cocaine on a regular basis.I still kept
a good paying job but barely.I went to rehab and got finally clean.
About 3 months being totally clean and happy,I had very bad pains
in my legs.After an MRI,I was diagnosed with Avascular necrosis and
that I needed both my hips replaced due to the bone disease alcohol
caused.To make a long story short,I was now addicted to pain killers
after having my hips replaced a year apart from each other.I have
been on some form of Oxycodone for at least 3 years now.My doses
are very extreme.I can't tell you the doses that I take,but I take
way more than I should.I run out of my pills about 2 weeks before
the end of the month.The only withdrwls I have are hot sweets from
the painkillers coming out of my body.That's it.I have a very high
tollerance for this medication.recently at times,I feel the meds
even increase my pain since I take too much.Please try to ween
yourself off the painkillers as soon as possible.I would hate for
anyone to go through what I'm going through.
Good Luck

[fkunorko]

thanks DSLDAW for the reply...sorry for what you had to go through with the surgery thing :-( Whenever I read or hear something like what you wrote I realize how strong other people must be! and how weak I myself am!

[zippysgoddess]

You are correct, the highest dosage available of Hydrocodone is 10mgs with the Acetaminophen, not sure where you heard about 80, but it is not available. It might have been something from someone who confused it with Oxy or something else, a lot of people also think they have a higher dose because they do not realize that the higher mgs in their med is the Acetaminophen or Ibuprofen and not the Hydro.

Here's the drugs.com page that list the various brands and doses available:

http://www.drugs.com/hydrocodone.html

Hydrocodone is also not available by itself like Oxycodone is, it is a very powerful narcotic and considered far too dangerous to make available by itself or in higher doses.

10mgs of Hydro would be equivelent to 10mgs of Morphine.

Oxycodone is now available in a max of 80mgs of Controlled Release and 30mgs of Instant Release.

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[zippysgoddess]

Oh, and as to your other comparison of comparing it to Oxy, Oxy is much stronger than Hydro, each 10mgs of Oxy is equivelent to 30mgs of Morphine so with the 15Hydro to 10 of morphine the breakdown is:

20mgs of Oxy = to 60mgs of Morphine
and 20mgs of Oxy = to 60mgs of Hydro

You can see the breakdowns here on this page, with the conversion rates:

http://www.ohsu.edu/ahec/pain/part2sect3.pdf

"Converting from Oxycodone to Hydrocodone or Morphine
Oxycodone and morphine/hydrocodone are equianalgesic on a two-to-three basis. Increase
the total oxycodone dose by 50% to get the total morphine or hydrocodone dose.
•For example, a patient on Oxycontin 20 mg bid receives 40 mg of oxycodone
daily. A 50% increase to morphine is a total morphine dose of 60 mg/d that can be
prescribed as long-acting morphine 30 mg bid.
Formula: Total oxycodone dose x 1.5 = total morphine or hydrocodone dose"

So the Oxycodone is actually 1 and a half times stronger than Morphine or Hydrocodone.

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[DSLDAW]

I take Roxicodone. I know it is a form of oxycodone. Why does it
seem a lot stronger than say Percicet or hydrocodone?

[zippysgoddess]

Well first of all, the Acetaminophen affects how the narcotics acts in your body. Secondly, the binders and fillers in various drugs can affect how they work for different people.

Third, if you are using generic meds, you will occasionally run into some that just have poor quality control. The FDA permits a generic to differ, in the active ingredients and Bioequivelence, from the name brands by as much as plus or minus 20%, so that can be a significant difference and can also affect how well a drug works for you.

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[fkunorko]

thanks for the info. to anybody else just reading, I am NOT looking for different ways to get high or anything like that. I was just curious about all the different numbers and descriptions here. I am not giving up on my fight, and i'm not going to replace one addiction (hydro) with another (oxy) so I didnt even want to try thats why I asked. Especially according to zippy's reply in that oxy is even "stronger" than hydro I definitely dont want to risk that.

[DSLDAW]

Thanks for the very appreciated info Zip. I knew in my heart that the
generics were definately weaker in strength, but everyone including my pharmacist, kept telling me that they were the same. If that is the case, then why do the brand name meds cost more? It usually has a
lot to do with advertising, but narcotics are not advertised to my
knowledge. I think the old saying "You Get What You Pay For" still
applies here.

[zippysgoddess]

Yes, it most definitely does. To make the meds cheaper, you know there would have to be some differences somewhere. When you get a company with poor quality control, you get poorly made drugs.

I have experienced this myself, with both Oxycodone and Percocet. In the same bottle, I have had some pills that did nothing, I might as well have swallowed a Tic-Tac, some that worked fine, and then another few that were hyper-potent and you'd have sworn when you saw me afterwards that I was abusing my prescription and had taken more than the prescribed dosage, even though I only took one.

I even had my husband try a couple when he was in pain and couldn't get to a docs appointment yet, with my docs permission, and he had the same things happen to him, so I knew it wasn't all in my head. So I went online and started hunting more information, that is when I found out about the 20% difference thing. Now, if you really think about that, that gives them a 40% window of difference and the FDA will still say the drug is acceptable.

Right now I have a bottle of Instant Release Oxycodone for breakthrough pain, I picked up the scrip a few days ago so I have tried several already and none of them have worked at all, nothing to these ones.

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[Cats Meow]

Zippy, you said :
"Hydrocodone is also not available by itself like Oxycodone is, it is a very powerful narcotic and considered far too dangerous to make available by itself or in higher doses".

What I don't understand is Oxy is available all by itself and it's far stronger so that doesn't quite make sense does it?
I think maybe since hydro is a class 3 drug, the FDA wants to keep it there, it would have to label it class 2 like oxy is. This is only my guess. With all the liver damage acetaminophen causes, it sure would save a lot of peoples (mostly addicts) livers. Or it would be nice if they made them in a 100mg acetaminophen dose.

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[DSLDAW]

Generic hydro was like popping candy to me.To me, Roxicodone is the
strongest of the bunch. Brand name of course. Is Roxy a brand name?
I still am confused. I know it is a form of Oxy. Percocet is a brand
name correct? They are all types of Oxy. Why don't they just make
Oxy a brand name? This is not pharmacistically correct.

[Cats Meow]

Yes Roxicodone and Percocet are brand names. Oxycontin is the brand name for Oxycodone ER (it's generic name). ER stands for extended release, the roxi and percs are instant release. For strength you have to compare milligrams not names, Roxicodone is not the strongest.
And pharmacistically isn't a word.

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[Cats Meow]

Does anyone know what the equivalent of Dilauded is in mg compared to Morphine?

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[mpvt]

On my dosage converter it says that 2.50mgs of dilaudid is = to 10mgs of morphine so 4 to 1 ratio.....Dave

[Cats Meow]

Dave, what about MS Contin?

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[Cats Meow]

I'm confused, "Zippysgoddess" says oxycodone is one and a half stronger then hydrocodone and then says: 20mgs of Oxy = 60mgs of Hydro, that makes it 3 times stronger. So which is correct 1.5 or 3x?

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