[Daphers]

and I will wait till you give the say so...

Meanwhile I will practice my dividing


The Dr wanted to start me on 8mg now and mgs later tonight. Said I would probably be fine around 12 - 16

bleh

thank you Robert, I know your not feeling well.

[RubyDean]

Wow! So exciting daphers, hang tight and I'm sure Robert is right around the corner.
So this is your induction? Are you in withdrawal as of now, and working the COWS worksheet? It is so wonderful to hear that you know your doctor is well misinformed.
It makes me *shudder* everytime I hear someone repeat a doctors ignorance.
You will do great!

[Daphers]

I was at 24 to 25 of 5 a.m. .....dr did it and i was over 26

I had the doc call them in as the pharmacy told me its an ordeal to get them sooner that 3 hours uh no.......they were waiting when i got there

I appreciate the confidence Ruby.....I almost gave and ransacked my sons room cos I know he kept some for just in casies, but I coudn't do that to him

[Daphers]

ok. i'm really not feeling well and Robert, I know your not feeling well either and to top that off, your 4 hours behind me...

I'm going to cut the 8 into 4's.......take 1, 2mg and hopefully you'll be up and at em by then.

I think I have this set to receive email alerts when someone posts on here, which will go straight to my phone.

bleh

my body feels like it's been beaten down

[mottam]

daphers:
Hang in there.
You will make it.
You will get through this.
Stick with the "program" - we are ALL pulling for you.
You are stronger then you think - be very proud of yourself!

BEST OF LUCK!

mottam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

ok. i'm really not feeling well and Robert, I know your not feeling well either and to top that off, your 4 hours behind me...

I'm going to cut the 8 into 4's.......take 1, 2mg and hopefully you'll be up and at em by then.

I think I have this set to receive email alerts when someone posts on here, which will go straight to my phone.

bleh

my body feels like it's been beaten down

I was waiting on your other thread. It's okay to take 2mg but no more. Then post back to me in one hour. Let's keep all of our posts about this on this one thread right here. Relax this will go fine. God bless.

[2Pumpkins]

I'm soo glad you got them!! You should be feeling great very soon. Go you!!!

[Daphers]

You got it Robert, I thought I would put it over here and well.....we crossed in the midst of it all. Thank you for everything you've done for me and all you've done for hundreds of others....I read and read lastnight, and Im truly touched.

The doc gave me 5 8 mgs, enough to last me until Monday in which I go see him again. He thinks I should smooth out around 12-16 mgs a day. So on Monday I will just have to tell him I smoooooothed out and let's say 8 or so, that way I will have enough to last awhile. I also did ask him if I was not feeling well on that large of a dose could I cut it down on my own I try not to lie......I always get caught

Time 2mgs taken was 4:45 acoording to the post time, but my time it was 12:45??

I'm ready for my legs to stop running around on the bed without my permission!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

You got it Robert, I thought I would put it over here and well.....we crossed in the midst of it all. Thank you for everything you've done for me and all you've done for hundreds of others....I read and read lastnight, and Im truly touched.

The doc gave me 5 8 mgs, enough to last me until Monday in which I go see him again. He thinks I should smooth out around 12-16 mgs a day. So on Monday I will just have to tell him I smoooooothed out and let's say 8 or so, that way I will have enough to last awhile. I also did ask him if I was not feeling well on that large of a dose could I cut it down on my own I try not to lie......I always get caught

Time 2mgs taken was 4:45 acoording to the post time, but my time it was 12:45??

I'm ready for my legs to stop running around on the bed without my permission!

First thing FORGET EVERYTHING that guy told you about what to take. I mean that seriously! HE IS WRONG!!!!

I will have you totally stabilized at less than 8mg, could be even 4-6mg. PLEASE do as I instruct you to do so you get off to the right start. That dr will have you all messed up just like the others here who listened to their uninformed sub drs.

DON'T take another dose until we talk in an hour. IF you listen to me I will have you feeling so good at such a low dose you'll be shocked I PROMISE YOU!!! I am praying you'll be naive enough to wait and do exactly as I instruct you to do. God bless.

PS .... and you WON'T be taking another 2mg dose in an hour. When we decide it's time to take the next dose it will ONLY BE FOR 1mg!!! That is it, but talk to me first.

[Daphers]

Good thing I read this before I absorbed the 2

Ok Robert......I'm here, I'm cutting the 2 into 1

I'm really not feeling that much different, my legs aren't quite running now, more like skipping.

lemme know.......i'm waiting

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Good thing I read this before I absorbed the 2

Ok Robert......I'm here, I'm cutting the 2 into 1

I'm really not feeling that much different, my legs aren't quite running now, more like skipping.

lemme know.......i'm waiting

The way I'm having you do this will take a couple extra hours but it will dramatically lower your dose that you maintain on. We are allowing the minimal doses to have all the effect on you they can rather than slamming 2-4mg doses. That is a waste of meds and runs your dose higher. Just trust me, that's all I can say at this point, but you'll see I'm right in a little while.

I got a guy from France stable on 1.2mg last month and he was coming off methadone. I have a guy now that his dr told him to take 24mg and he is doing GREAT on 1mg. I know what I'm doing.

Take the 1mg dose, let it dissolve under your tongue and post back to me in one hour. I bet you that we get you stable at approximately 4mg ... 6mg MAX. Just go along with me. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

The way I'm having you do this will take a couple extra hours but it will dramatically lower your dose that you maintain on. We are allowing the minimal doses to have all the effect on you they can rather than slamming 2-4mg doses. That is a waste of meds and runs your dose higher. Just trust me, that's all I can say at this point, but you'll see I'm right in a little while.

I got a guy from France stable on 1.2mg last month and he was coming off methadone. I have a guy now that his dr told him to take 24mg and he is doing GREAT on 1mg. I know what I'm doing.

Take the 1mg dose, let it dissolve under your tongue and post back to me in one hour. I bet you that we get you stable at approximately 4mg. Just go along with me. God bless.

OK, disolving as I type

I do trust you Robert, something about your "Naive" statement really hit an emotional flashback for me. My xhusband used to tell me I was to "naive", trusted to many people. For awhile during the divorce process I believed him and took on "loner" qualities. Then oneday, while in church, the Priest was talking about being naive. It's a good quality to be naive and trust people. I'm not saying to trust everyone.....but don't stop believing there are good people out there. there are many.

I know without a doubt you have mine, and many many other people's best interest at heart. Completley.

Now.....I'm not sure what stable is supposed to feel like anymore, however, I guess bells and whistles followed by fireworks isn't going to happen!!! LOL

[Robert_325]

No bells and whistles but stable is feeling normal, feeling no "high", just feeling like you have NO drugs in your system. No need for a bunch of xanax or other benzos, no need for sleeping pills. I want you to feel like you did before you started putting drugs in your body. That is normal and that is where we will have you today I guarantee if you follow me to the letter. You have my word. All I ask is that you follow what I suggest and trust me. God bless.

[Robert_325]

The rest of your taper doses will be .5mg ... that is all. This is how you'll end up at 4mg -5mg most likely and be totally stable. You'll be shocked when we're done how good you feel. Hang in there. God bless.

[htoth19]

Hi robert. Ive been readin quite a bit on here. and I see that you may be willing to help people, hopefully me too...to get off the methadone? I am 24, My name is Heather, I am on about 10mgs a day now. I have a 1 year old daughter, and my husband is clueless on how to help me get off but he is very supportive. Can you help me ween down? I need help, I need mental support. I have been getting the pills from my father, I know BAD right? He feels like ******** for having ever given them to me in the first place. its been a year so far that I have been on them. AGAIN. The first time, I stopped cold turkey after being on 20mg for about a year and a half. I went through 43 days of complete AGONY. I cant do that this time with my baby, She needs me. Please help me do this as pain free as possible. Ill do whatever you tell me to do. I am a blank slate, please give me any help you can possibly give. WHat vitamins, how much to week down from now, (I am feeling a bit icky from dropping 5mgs a few days ago, I am on 10mgs now. Its not too bad) please help me get clean!!(and STAY that way)!!!

Heather-heathertoth84@yahoo.com-please respond to my email!!!!

[Daphers]

.5 disolving!!

and.............BELLS WHISTLES!! my legs are doing what they are told to do. I actually got out of bed and cleaned up a bit

still some achiness in my lower back and calves but NOTHING like this morning...OMG, my water bill is going to by insane from lastnight!

Ok....

I'm mathemtacically challenged, so......I went back and wrote it all down.

it's the damn time thing thats confusing me


hmmm........I think I waited an hour n half. Sorry. I was up doing some stuff and forgot! thats a good thing right?

I'm at 3.5 mgs so far .........right? LOL LOL

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

.5 disolving!!

and.............BELLS WHISTLES!! my legs are doing what they are told to do. I actually got out of bed and cleaned up a bit

still some achiness in my lower back and calves but NOTHING like this morning...OMG, my water bill is going to by insane from lastnight!

Ok....

I'm mathemtacically challenged, so......I went back and wrote it all down.

it's the damn time thing thats confusing me


hmmm........I think I waited an hour n half. Sorry. I was up doing some stuff and forgot! thats a good thing right?

I'm at 3.5 mgs so far .........right? LOL LOL

Sorry! I fell asleep for a few mins. I feel like hell today. I just want to make sure you do this right so it goes well for you. Yes you've taken 3.5mg so far.

Actually waiting 1 1/2 hours from this point forward is good! That is what I wanted you to do, but being ill today I forgot to say that. So figure another 1 1/2 hours and tell me how you feel after this last dose.

You should be taking that other .5mg now. You're not quite there yet. Wait another 90 mins (1 1/2 hours) and let me know again. I think you'll probably end up stabilizing at 4 mg MAX. WE will see how you feel when you check in again but it surely won't be any freakin 12mg or more like the goofy dr said.

DON'T you just LOVE sub drs who tell people to take four times as much medication as they need? God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by htoth19

Hi robert. Ive been readin quite a bit on here. and I see that you may be willing to help people, hopefully me too...to get off the methadone? I am 24, My name is Heather, I am on about 10mgs a day now. I have a 1 year old daughter, and my husband is clueless on how to help me get off but he is very supportive. Can you help me ween down? I need help, I need mental support. I have been getting the pills from my father, I know BAD right? He feels like ******** for having ever given them to me in the first place. its been a year so far that I have been on them. AGAIN. The first time, I stopped cold turkey after being on 20mg for about a year and a half. I went through 43 days of complete AGONY. I cant do that this time with my baby, She needs me. Please help me do this as pain free as possible. Ill do whatever you tell me to do. I am a blank slate, please give me any help you can possibly give. WHat vitamins, how much to week down from now, (I am feeling a bit icky from dropping 5mgs a few days ago, I am on 10mgs now. Its not too bad) please help me get clean!!(and STAY that way)!!!

Heather-heathertoth84@yahoo.com-please respond to my email!!!!

Heather .... had I talked with you back at 20-30mg I would have suggested switching to suboxone to complete the taper. But my goodness, being at 10mg you should just finish off the methadone taper. It HAS TO BE SLOW now, no more 5mg reductions. Give it about a week and let me know how you feel. We'll be reducing your doses at about 10-15% every two weeks. This is the part that really drags along but I will help you do this where you won't get sick. Stay in touch, post often. I'm just sufferering with the flu today but I'll be here for you as you taper down. And you need to do the taper down all the way to ZERO. Won't be any jumping off abruptly at ANY dose. Stay in touch. God bless.

[Daphers]

I'm so sorry your feeling hellish today Robert...I don't have any words at this moment to describe what you've done for me. (wiping my tears away) how utterly selfless of you to help me and others when your the one that needs some extra TLC! From reading all over the boards, I know Melinda is right there with you and your in great hands.

hehehe......I'm LOL so I know I'm feeling mucho better! Your 90 minutes
(1 1/2 hours ) cracked me up. and definatley helped! LOL

Go back to sleep......I will take the other .5 at 5:00 and let it go and hopefully 4 will be the magic numbers.

If I feel a bit icky at night do I ride it out or take a sliver?

and

Tomorrow do I break it down like today or do 2 and 2?

Just thought I'd ask the last questions and quit bothering you for awhile so you can get your rest.

(((((HUGS)))))

and may God continue to keep blessing you and your family!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

I'm so sorry your feeling hellish today Robert...I don't have any words at this moment to describe what you've done for me. (wiping my tears away) how utterly selfless of you to help me and others when your the one that needs some extra TLC! From reading all over the boards, I know Melinda is right there with you and your in great hands.

hehehe......I'm LOL so I know I'm feeling mucho better! Your 90 minutes
(1 1/2 hours ) cracked me up and definatley helped! LOL

Go back to sleep......I will take the other .5 at 5:00 and let it go and hopefully 4 will be the magic numbers.

If I feel a bit icky at night do I ride it out or take a sliver?

and

Tomorrow do I break it down like today or do 2 and 2?

Just thought I'd ask the last questions and quit bothering you for awhile so you can get your rest.

(((((HUGS)))))

and may God continue to keep blessing you and your family!

NO NO NO! Don't automatically take anything!

Thanks for the blessings and I am in great hands with Melinda. Don't automatically take the next .5mg dose though. 3.5mg may do it and if it does you don't need to go to 4mg. The induction (the way I do it) is a four day process. It may very well be that you do okay after this last .5mg does its thing and 3.5 mg could be enough. So let me know. I don't want you to take more if you don't need it.

Over the next three days we will get your dosing times down perfect and make any adjustments that may be necessary. Then after four days we will reduce your dose by 25% from whatever it is and then you'll have the "lowest effective dose", or at least that is what I refer to it as. You'll stay there for one week and then we'll start your taper.

Talk to Henry in the thread "Suboxone needs help please Robert" and he will tell you how this has worked. I got him stable at 1.25mg and then dropped him to 1mg. His week there is almost up and he will be starting the taper this weekend. He will tell you how this works and won't mind you asking him any questions. Same thing with Pam (tired2). She did this like we've done it and she's four months clean after using opiates over 20 years. She is on the same thread as Henry. So this system works.

Don't worry about me not feeling well. This is too important for me to not pay attention all the way until the end. So post back to me BEFORE you take anything else. I want to be sure we have you at the lowest dose.

If the 3.5mg works, after four days we'll drop you to 2.6mg. That would be an amazing dose for you to move forward at. So I'm staying up until I hear back from you. Then I'll tell you what to do tomorrow. But you don't take anything else tonight. You will be done for today when we finish the first stage of this induction. I'll wait to hear from you. God bless.

[Freedom4me]

Daphers,
Hooray, you are on your way girl. So happy to see you feeling a little bit better and love the way you are following Roberts advice to a "T". He is going to get you to a better place. I wish you all the best and we will all be riding this thing out with you.

Htoth19,
I am sorry about your situation. It must be so hard on you. We will all be here for you and give you as much support as you need my friend. We have all been there and know how rough it is. Stay strong and keep posting.

Robert,
Should I make Htoth19 their own thread so it doesn't get mixed up and we can continue with the support?

[Robert_325]

Jenny ... that would be a good idea.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

NO NO NO! Don't automatically take anything!

Thanks for the blessings and I am in great hands with Melinda. Don't automatically take the next .5mg dose though. 3.5mg may do it and if it does you don't need to go to 4mg. The induction (the way I do it) is a four day process. It may very well be that you do okay after this last .5mg does its thing and 3.5 mg could be enough. So let me know. I don't want you to take more if you don't need it.

Over the next three days we will get your dosing times down perfect and make any adjustments that may be necessary. Then after four days we will reduce your dose by 25% from whatever it is and then you'll have the "lowest effective dose", or at least that is what I refer to it as. You'll stay there for one week and then we'll start your taper.

Talk to Henry in the thread "Suboxone needs help please Robert" and he will tell you how this has worked. I got him stable at 1.25mg and then dropped him to 1mg. His week there is almost up and he will be starting the taper this weekend. He will tell you how this works and won't mind you asking him any questions. Same thing with Pam (tired2). She did this like we've done it and she's four months clean after using opiates over 20 years. She is on the same thread as Henry. So this system works.

Don't worry about me not feeling well. This is too important for me to not pay attention all the way until the end. So post back to me BEFORE you take anything else. I want to be sure we have you at the lowest dose.

If the 3.5mg works, after four days we'll drop you to 2.6mg. That would be an amazing dose for you to move forward at. So I'm staying up until I hear back from you. Then I'll tell you what to do tomorrow. But you don't take anything else tonight. You will be done for today when we finish the first stage of this induction. I'll wait to hear from you. God bless.

Ok...had to quote this to make sure I didn't miss anything!

I will not take another.5 unless I start to feel some sort of w/d. Check!

I really feel quite well. Just tired from lastnights butt whoopin, other than that, well.......I'm perfectly fine. Had a brief fleeting thought of something, then shrugged it off? Wow.

It's hard to imagine taking so many of those other things and being at a low dose on the subs. It's the fear Robert, I truly think it's the fear of letting go of something we (or at least I ) thought I depended on for so long to get me throught the days. I hated being in such a grip of fear all the time. I could see exactly what it was doing to me but I couldn't/wouldn't stop. Seriously, I've posted on other websites a few times several months ago, but it wasn't anything ANYTHING compared to the astounding knowledge, love and support that is given here.

I believe you are 4 hours earlier than I am, so I will post again in about 2 hours or so and let you know.

No worries, I have been reading Henry's, Pam's and anyone elses I could to fill me with strength and knowledge, I will continue to do so, but now....hehehehe, I can participate a bit more as I feel confidant.

One last question and I will sit back and relax the rest of the evening.

Do I start out in the morning at 1 mg?

(((super big hugs))) and of course I worry about your health! You will be in my prayers for a speedy recovery and a few miracles to maximize your health so you and Melinda will have 50 more years to share life together.

My sincerest thank you ...for all your help today.

Daphers

[subjunky]

Just another sub user wishing you well daphers.
These little pills definately do the trick, you will feel better than you have for years, with a much clearer head.
Good luck and all the best
SJ

[Robert_325]

Daphers ..... Don't take ANYTHING else today. There is no need for it at this point in the induction. After the first day of the induction you go to a split dose. I'm assuming you stuck to 3.5mg. So tomorrow, for simplicity's sake take 2mg when you get up and then take 1.5mg late in the afternoon. That is it!

Post to me later this evening that is fine. I'll be up and down probably all night so I'll see your post. Don't worry about me, it's just a flu bug. I'll survive. I want you to do this correctly and the next few days is very important.

Put about 8-10 hours between your two doses tomorrow. It's really outstanding that you did this at 3.5mg. Then after four days we'll adjust it down a little further.

Don't worry about ANYTHING related to having problems if you'll go along with me with everything I ask you to do. I won't tell you anything that will hurt you. I'll watch for you later in the evening. I'm on the Pacific coast so you'll know time wise. Have you set your time in your profile?

Take care and congratulations! I know how good it feels to suddenly be totally out of w/d. God bless.

[tired2]

Hi Daphers,
This is Pam you are in great hands just follow everything Robert tells you and you will be fine.Robert will get you stable. I had been on opiate's and benzo's for over 25 yrs . Well back in mid March my doctor threw me on 16mg of Suboxone with no induction it was not pretty. I got real lucky and found this forum and Robert who lowered my dose but I was still sick so when I called the doctor he wanted me to increase my dose . Nobody needs to be on that high of a dose..these doctors over prescribe then keep people on this drug for way to long and have no idea how to taper them off.
Well I refused and to top it all I couldn't take Suboxone and Robert had told me it was the Naloxone that was making me ill ..so I called the doctor but he would only give me enough for 4 days but I felt so much better then I got 4 more days . I finally went in loaded with info and he switched my script. I also finished my taper a few months sooner than I would had I listened to him.
I did my taper every 3 days sorta by accident thinking every 4th day I was to taper but wouldn't recommend that since it was a little rougher but Robert worked with me and let me continue. My doctor was going to have me stop at 1mg that would have sent me bouncing of the walls. I have been opiate free now for 16 weeks this Sunday. If you have a problem cutting you pills I do have a method that works great since when you get down to 2mg they crumble. Let me know if you need any help.
I'm currently tapering of the benzo's with Robert now.
Sorry this is so long ...just stay positive and strong and listen to Robert and you'll be free.
Pam

[Daphers]

Hey Robert....

It's almost 10 here, I've had a good solid 3 hours of sleep....the RLS and sweating woke me up....should I ride it out or take the .5? All in all it's been 10 hours at 3.5...

I will be awake for awhile if you happen to pop in, I'll wait until I hear from you.

Have I set the time in my profile?? LOL NO! no wonder I was having a hard time figuring out what the hell time it was. I think mine automatically set itself 4 hours ahead.

Thanks Pam. I would love to know your trick cutting the pills. I'm sure mine was not an exact cut, it's probably a little over 3.5 ..., if I was to get really technical, I would say....3.8 I did read somewhere to get a straight razor, so I got that and held it tight with my fingers so it wouldn' crumble to bad.

Let me go ahead and post this in case Robert is waiting ...

I have more to say though

[Robert_325]

Daphers .... if you REALLY need it you can take .5mg. But we will call it 4mg and you'll take 2mg twice tomorrow. Post back if you like. I just watched "Passion Of the Christ" so I'll be up freaking out for a bit. What a movie, what a God!

[tired2]

Hi Daphers,
I would get a glass from a picture frame then you take a pill cut it carefully into small pieces with your razor and use the side to smash the pieces into a powder. I'm assuming you have 8mg pills divide your piles accordingly . You can divide the powder into 4 piles by eyeballing them which equal 2mg each. Then you can take the 2mg cut into 2 piles which each line will be 1mg.
Then you can take the 1mg line and cut into 4 piles each will be .25 cut that in half you get .12 cut that .6 etc. Make sure you label your lines and cover . I just used glasses. Then all you have to do is use and index card and put the powder in the card and place the powder under your tongue. Paint chip samples work great. I hope this makes since. You can prepare your doses ahead of time that way less thinking just get up and dose. You can only imagine what my dresser looked like with my lines . Let me know if you have any questions just post on my benzo site. Only b/c you have several thread going .This works like a charm especially as your doses get lower,
Later ,
Pam

[Freedom4me]

Good job Daphers. Keep it up!
Htoth19, I started you your own thread so you can talk to Robert on it and the rest of us can support you.