[Daphers]

My work computer will drive me crazy by itself....

Sorry if it double posted.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

My supervisor just walked out so I'm editing this to explain a bit more

Appt went smooth...he filled the script for 12 mgs a day. So thats what? 24 8 mg pills?

Robert, I still feel weird, a bit on the edge of nervous, ears are humming, eyes wide open and generally feeling like I've drank 38 cups of coffee.

took the 2.25 this morning at 8:30......it takes forever to disolve? The Dr said it should only take a few minutes?? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You liked the bobble-head analogy huh? Well, it pretty much went just like that...uh huh, uh huh, huh uh, yup, ok Thank You! See you in a month! ....he's fast.

How's that flu bug? squashed it yet?

The flu is a lot better thanks for asking. As your sub dose goes down you should start to feel better. Let's see how you feel as we lower your dose during the taper.

I'm not ready yet to say that you're reacting to the naloxone in the suboxone like some people do. Need to give this just a little more time. I still think you'll feel better with a smaller dose so let's give this just a little time.

Keep me posted. God bless.

[Daphers]

It's good to hear your feeling better, or should I say it's good to read?

No no, this isn't feeling nauseous thing like the naloxone...

This is like yesterday, a few hours after I dose, I start sweating, pupils dilate, pulse races....same as yesterday, my arms even feel weak?

Whats going on? LOL

I did the 2.25 this morning...or as close to it as I could.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

It's good to hear your feeling better, or should I say it's good to read?

No no, this isn't feeling nauseous thing like the naloxone...

This is like yesterday, a few hours after I dose, I start sweating, pupils dilate, pulse races....same as yesterday, my arms even feel weak?

Whats going on? LOL

I did the 2.25 this morning...or as close to it as I could.

Sometimes as we taper (for a few people) it takes a day or two to get acclimated to the dose. I suggest that you push through it and we see how you feel in a couple days. Bear with this and I'm confident it will work itself out over the next 48 hours.

Some people can taper every three days like Pam did, some need more than four days. We all react a little differently to any drug including the subs. You've just began so let's give it a couple days and see what you feel like then. God bless.

[Daphers]

Ok,

I will use some crazy glue and pull it together....

Tapering? LOL I don't want to taper just yet. I'm still looking forward to feeling normal for an entire day. It's only day 3.

Wonder why I feel ok when I first wake up? even up to the first hour.

I don't take the sub right away...I wait 30 mins or so, but when the anxious, sweaty feeling starts, it doesn't seem to go fully away.

In all good things on God's wonderful Earth. I will never put myself through this again.

[Robert_325]

I didn't mean for you to start tapering yet don't worry. But honestly when you say you feel good in the morning, then you take the subs a little later, then a few hours later these symptoms start happening it actually does sound like it could be the naloxone. Would your dr write you a script for enough subutex for a week? Even enough subutex for four days would suffice our needs ... then we would know I promise. If it's the naloxone we'll know within 24 hours. The naloxone can cause all kinds of symptoms, not just nausea. Give me your take of the dr and if you think he'll work with us on the subutex instead of the suboxone. I think you could be one of "those people" who need the subutex. I hardly EVER miss on this one. It's only happened twice since I've started doing this this a couple years ago. Let me know. God bless.

[Daphers]

Robert....I think you may just find that I'm the epitome of "Murphys Law" nothing in my life ever goes as expected. LOL, I've had this condition since I was a child. Sorry, I should have warned you earlier.

Hmmm, really don't know what he would think if I showed up next week saying all the sudden I don't feel right, especially when he told me how peachy I was looking vs how I looked last Friday. Well DUH dude!

I would like to try to stick this out a few more days, if you don't mind. BUT, just to be on the safe side, I think I will put in a call to the Drs office and mention how I'm feeling....

I feel like I'm wired and nodding at the same time ?? Seriously....I took the
2nd dose at 4:30. It's been a little over 3 hours and I feel high? even a bit twitchy. ...3 hours later though....

Damnit! I have such a hard time putting my thoughts in to words anymore, it just makes me nuts! Everything gets all jumbled up.. Are my receptors ever going to "click" again?

I'm going to go back and re-read Pam's start on suboxone.

[Robert_325]

Daphers .... please understand that I can only base my advice on what you tell me. If you want to wait a few more days before making any moves and see if you get more acclimated to the suboxone go for it. I just attempt to make things easier on people based on their observations.

If you want to hold off on taking any action until say Thursday then do it. I have no problem with that. Don't worry about writing your posts into eloquent poetic thoughts. It's no big deal. Just do your best to share with me how you're doing.

You don't need something else to stress over. I'm here to help not cause more issues for you. So stick it out a few more days if you like, just pay attention to how you react to things. You could even get a spiral notebook and write your thoughts down as you go along.

I'm on your side, I just want to help you. Keep me posted. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Daphers .... please understand that I can only base my advice on what you tell me. If you want to wait a few more days before making any moves and see if you get more acclimated to the suboxone go for it. I just attempt to make things easier on people based on their observations.

If you want to hold off on taking any action until say Thursday then do it. I have no problem with that. Don't worry about writing your posts into eloquent poetic thoughts. It's no big deal. Just do your best to share with me how you're doing.

You don't need something else to stress over. I'm here to help not cause more issues for you. So stick it out a few more days if you like, just pay attention to how you react to things. You could even get a spiral notebook and write your thoughts down as you go along.

I'm on your side, I just want to help you. Keep me posted. God bless.

Robert, I know your on my side!

I am going to put a feeler call in to the docs office tomorrow concerning the subutex, thats what I was getting at in my other post.

It's hard to explain but I feel spacy, like I could nod out....and anxious at the same time. When I was taking the oc's I rarely had this type of loopy la la stuff. I don't even want to think what might have happened if I took a full 16

Also I am taking a multi vitamin + a vitamin b tab in the mornings....aside from the wellbutrin. So far today I have only taken 3/4 mg of xanax.

I appreciate all your doing to help me get stabalized, believe me I do....I'm sitting over here hoping your not going to get frustrated with me!

There is no other way than to tell you exactly what I am feeling and taking, if not, then I would be defeating myself and I'm not a loser.

Composition book, check!

[tired2]

Hi Daphers...I know you and Robert are working on the possible reaction to the Suboxone vs Subutex.
I also remember you taking 2mg of Xanax not sure how long and then you said that you take 1.5 . How often and and how much Xanax do you take b/c if you take 1.5 regular and dropped to 3/4 of a pill that is to much and may be some of your problem . I don't know your whole history with Xanax .
Let Robert know on this thread and he will advice you.
Hang in there,
Pam

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Daphers...I know you and Robert are working on the possible reaction to the Suboxone vs Subutex.
I also remember you taking 2mg of Xanax not sure how long and then you said that you take 1.5 . How often and and how much Xanax do you take b/c if you take 1.5 regular and dropped to 3/4 of a pill that is to much and may be some of your problem . I don't know your whole history with Xanax .
Let Robert know on this thread and he will advice you.
Hang in there,
Pam

Hi Pam....

I am prescribed 2 mg's a day.

Normal days I don't take 2, but do take the 1.5

Example

.25 in the morning, .25 afternoon and 1. right before bed.

The other night I did not take it before bed. I felt OK, but later I didn't sleep.

Today I took .25 this morning, .5 this afternoon and will take .5 at bedtime.

Good thing about todays feelings vs yesterdays. I have zero desire to take another pain pill. That thought never entered my head.

Check this out....the pain I used to feel in the mornings at the base of my neck, are gone. While taking the oc's my neck would hurt so bad in the mornings. Now....nothing

[tired2]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Hi Pam....

I am prescribed 2 mg's a day.

Normal days I don't take 2, but do take the 1.5

Example

.25 in the morning, .25 afternoon and 1. right before bed.

The other night I did not take it before bed. I felt OK, but later I didn't sleep.

Today I took .25 this morning, .5 this afternoon and will take .5 at bedtime.

Good thing about todays feelings vs yesterdays. I have zero desire to take another pain pill. That thought never entered my head.

Check this out....the pain I used to feel in the mornings at the base of my neck, are gone. While taking the oc's my neck would hurt so bad in the mornings. Now....nothing

Hi Daphers,
I would go back to your normal dose of xanax .You need to be carefull changing your doses of xanax and since you are doing a sub taper I wouldn't drop till you are done. You need to take should take your doses evenly spaced out .
Try that and see how you feel...How long have you been taking the 1.5mg of xanax?
If you have been using them for awhile I'm sure Robert will agree but Run it past him.
That's great that your pain is gone and you are not wanting pills!!
Take care,
Pam

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Hi Pam....

I am prescribed 2 mg's a day.

Normal days I don't take 2, but do take the 1.5

Example

.25 in the morning, .25 afternoon and 1. right before bed.

The other night I did not take it before bed. I felt OK, but later I didn't sleep.

Today I took .25 this morning, .5 this afternoon and will take .5 at bedtime.

Good thing about todays feelings vs yesterdays. I have zero desire to take another pain pill. That thought never entered my head.

Check this out....the pain I used to feel in the mornings at the base of my neck, are gone. While taking the oc's my neck would hurt so bad in the mornings. Now....nothing

Let's handle one addiction at a time. After the subs we'll do the benzos just like I'm doing with Pam.

It's very common that when we aren't in dependency from the pain pills the pain goes away. It happens to most of us so this was to be expected. I just like for people to notice on their own so they understand it really does happen. Our mind plays tricks on us when we are in active addiction making us feel more pain than is just from our physical problems.

I agree that if you are omitting very much of that benzo daily dose it could totally make you have the symptoms you've described. So you may want to just focus on the sub dose, hold off on the benzo taper till we finish the subs and see how you feel tomorrow night or so.

Let me know tomorrow how you're doing. I just came in from church .... a Celebrate Recovery meeting. I go weekly. Anyway, talk with you tomorrow. God bless.

[Daphers]

Good morning!

First things first. I feel great this morning. I always feel wonderful in the mornings. Well, not alwayssssss, but for the last 4 mornings I have

The xanax I've been taking a little over 4 years now. Started out at 4 mg's per day, then a year or so ago, I weaned down to 2. Now, in the last 8 months or so when I was deeply into the ox's, I wouldn't take them as prescribed, at all.

Today I'm going to do things a bit different in one sense, but the same in another, if that makes any sense.

I took my wellburtrin and xanax 30 minutes after I got up .5 xanax and 300mg extendred release wellbutrin.

Since it seems to me the other issues come up later in the day, I will take my sub does around 9:30 each day from now on. I haven't been consistant with the sub dosing time and that needs to change. Today.

Friday I dosed until I felt ok. Saturday I dosed around 8:00 then again around 5ish? I felt ok on Saturday, Sunday since I didn't sleep to well, I was up early and dosed around 6:30, then I started to crash and took the .25 and it eased up, took the last dose around 5:00 and it was a good day.

Oh, last night was the first night that I didn't really sweat that much.

I sure felt a buzz tho. Ick.

Yesterday, lets see what I did different, first of all, I took 2 antibiotics for a skin infection, bactorban based. Took the vitamins, xanax, then the subs. Pretty close together......so again, I'm spacing them apart and the subs are last.

Robert, thanks for not giving up on me. I promise I will do this. Oh oh....I've checked into the Celebrate Recovery, I do believe they have one not far from me!!! Going to check into that as well.

If I could feel like this all day long......it would be splendid!

Pam and Jenny, again.......your support means the world to me.

day 4, here we come!!

[mottam]

daphers:
Sorry I have not popped on to your thread recently.
I see that you are going through what I guess is called "dual-addiction".
I agree with the comments made:
Tackle one addiction at a time. Work w/ Robert on the opiate/suboxone route. He is the person to guide you through this. I, like many on this site, will continue to offer you our support, advice, and prayers.

Stay strong - you CAN do this. I know it seems almost impossible. Nothing is impossible if your really want it and you set your mind to it.

I will pray for you, and if you need to vent to anyone - just post.

Best of luck!

mottam

[Robert_325]

Daphers .... that sounds a lot better. And I totally support Celebrate Recovery. I went last night at our church. I go every week, it's different than NA/AA but similar. It's just that the solutions lie in Jesus Christ with Celebrate Recovery. I love it, of course I'm a Christian. Give it a try and let me know what you think. God bless.

[Freedom4me]

Robert,
I admire your Faith.
Daphers,
You are doing great. You sound so up beat all the time, even when you are having a rough go of it. That will help you tremendously! Keep posting and have a great day!

[Daphers]

Thanks Jenny for the encouragement. I have been holding tightly to my PMA (positive mental attitude) so I can kick this in the butt!! Even the humor, I love to smile and laugh, I love it when I can make others smile and laugh, even during the worst of times......it helps.....tremendously

I feel great today!! I eliminated 2 things today from yesterday.

1. did not take the oral antibiotics, used the topical one

2. did not take the Extra fuel powered vitamin B tablet


Took the other stuff as prescribed, dosed my 2.25-ISH 1 hour later than normal to give time for the other stuff to absorb, ate breakfast (which I hardly ever do) and today is a GOOD DAY! No anxiety, no space oddity going on inside my head and Im cheerful

Maybe I'm stabalized????????


Woo-Hoo !!!

[tired2]

Hi Daphers,
I'm glad you are feeling better now.Your doing great!!! You will get through this just stay focus and positive.
I see Robert agreed with what I mentioned about the xanax.
Don't get way to hung up on the taking the subs at an exact time each day since our schedules don't always follow suit. I use to just dose when I woke then take the second around an hour or so around your normal time . After awhile you will get use to the taste. Heck I actually found myself licking the powder from my benzo pill after trying to cut 2mg from a 5mg pill which just turned into powder...Even licking it out from my finger nail. I felt like an idiot and yes they were clean LOL
Take care
Later,
Pam

[Freedom4me]

Pam, The image made me laugh.
Daphers, great job and great news. Glad you are feeling good!!

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by tired2

Hi Daphers,
I'm glad you are feeling better now.Your doing great!!! You will get through this just stay focus and positive.
I see Robert agreed with what I mentioned about the xanax.
Don't get way to hung up on the taking the subs at an exact time each day since our schedules don't always follow suit. I use to just dose when I woke then take the second around an hour or so around your normal time . After awhile you will get use to the taste. Heck I actually found myself licking the powder from my benzo pill after trying to cut 2mg from a 5mg pill which just turned into powder...Even licking it out from my finger nail. I felt like an idiot and yes they were clean LOL
Take care
Later,
Pam

LOL !! You crack me up!

I kinda like the taste...it tastes like an "Orange crush" soda just a little flat when you swallow it!

By far yesterday was the best day I've had in such a long LONG time.

So, I will stick to this through Friday and drop it down right? Like maybe take the normal in the morning but only the 2 mgs in the afternoon. That wouldn't be so bad because I really get a buzz off the afternoon one?

Hey......it's almost the weekend!!

I set up a FB page if anyone wants to be-friend me....you should be able to find me under Daphers75@yahoo.com

Have a great day!!

[Freedom4me]

Sounds like things are going great Daphers. Good for you. One day at a time right? Have a good day. Live strong

[Daphers]

Hola`

How is everyone doing tonight?

Robert? how bout you....have you kicked the flu's butt yet?

Today is day 6 since starting the subs and being oxy free. yay! day 2 of feeling great!

Robert, I think it's time to drop some off now right?

I'm doing the 2.25 in the morning and 2.25 in the afternoon. The morning dose is great. Like i've mentioned before, I usually wake up feeling good so the morning dose keeps it that way. I take the same amount around 5 in the afternoon, however, by 7 I'm feeling a "buzz", similar to what I used to feel. If it's been long enough, i'm ready to drop, preferably the .25 in the evening.

What do you think?

Oh, does anyone know where to find some "me" time? I don't know where I put it and I sure need some.

[Robert_325]

Daphers....... I normally tell people to wait a week before starting the taper but six days is close enough if you're game. You can drop to two doses of 1.6mg. That's so little over 1.5mg that it will just be a crumb literally. I'm doing better since the flu. Now I'm waiting till Friday when I will be gone to the Orthopedic Surgeon about my knee. So I will be gone most of Friday. Keep your doses equal for now. This is too early to take that much off the one dose. Stick with what I said. Keep me posted. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Daphers....... I normally tell people to wait a week before starting the taper but six days is close enough if you're game. You can drop to two doses of 1.6mg. That's so little over 1.5mg that it will just be a crumb literally. I'm doing better since the flu. Now I'm waiting till Friday when I will be gone to the Orthopedic Surgeon about my knee. So I will be gone most of Friday. Keep your doses equal for now. This is too early to take that much off the one dose. Stick with what I said. Keep me posted. God bless.

Great news on the flu and adding and extra prayer for a great outcome at the ortho's tomorrow!


I will give it a go tomorrow.

Thanks and have a good night

[Robert_325]

4.5mg X .75 = 3.375mg for the day. 3.375mg X .5 (two doses) = 1.68mg per dose. I'm just calling it 1.6mg per dose for convenience sake. Talk tomorrow. Dr is Friday. God bless.

[Daphers]

Hey Robert,

I hope your doing well.

I'm sure you have a ton of stuff on your mind concerning your knee and the possiblity of having a knee replacement?

One of the secretaries in our office had a total knee replacement done back in June. She was out 6 weeks then came back part time. She's in her early 70's. Once upon a time she barely was able to walk, she "hobbled" but now......she can run down the hallway after some of the kids!! LOL

She was really nervous about the surgery and wanted to know as much as possible. We found this website http://www.edheads.org/activities/knee/ and she did her own virtual knee replacement online, several times!!

I hope it all goes well for you.

[mottam]

daphers:
Popping in to say great job, stay strong, I am proud of you, and you are in my prayers.
You are winning!

Kindest Regards
Tom

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Hey Robert,

I hope your doing well.

I'm sure you have a ton of stuff on your mind concerning your knee and the possiblity of having a knee replacement?

One of the secretaries in our office had a total knee replacement done back in June. She was out 6 weeks then came back part time. She's in her early 70's. Once upon a time she barely was able to walk, she "hobbled" but now......she can run down the hallway after some of the kids!! LOL

She was really nervous about the surgery and wanted to know as much as possible. We found this website http://www.edheads.org/activities/knee/ and she did her own virtual knee replacement online, several times!!

I hope it all goes well for you.

Hi Daphers .... My appt is at 8:00 in the morning so I likely won't be on here until up in the afternoon. I am a research freak too as you can likely see from all the info I give out. Trust me I've done that surgery in my mind so many times I think I could do it myself if not for the pain of being awake during the operation. But I appreciate all your kind thoughts and I will let my friends know what they tell me when I get back. I'm really just expecting an MRI and some testing tomorrow. Then they will advise from there. This won't be a one-stop fix.

I just looked over that website for a virtual surgery and saved it to my favorites. Thanks for that. It's a very cool site and has some great info. I appreciate the thought.

I'm not necessarily hoping for a replacement. I just want them to make it not hurt so badly. I can take pain, I've lived with it for decades since I played football in high school and injured my back and knees the first time. I've had five knee surgeries alone so far. But this is different and I'll do anything they tell me. I just want it to feel better whatever that entails. I'll keep you posted and you take care of yourself too. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Hi Daphers .... My appt is at 8:00 in the morning so I likely won't be on here until up in the afternoon. I am a research freak too as you can likely see from all the info I give out. Trust me I've done that surgery in my mind so many times I think I could do it myself if not for the pain of being awake during the operation. But I appreciate all your kind thoughts and I will let my friends know what they tell me when I get back. I'm really just expecting an MRI and some testing tomorrow. Then they will advise from there. This won't be a one-stop fix.

I just looked over that website for a virtual surgery and saved it to my favorites. Thanks for that. It's a very cool site and has some great info. I appreciate the thought.

I'm not necessarily hoping for a replacement. I just want them to make it not hurt so badly. I can take pain, I've lived with it for decades since I played football in high school and injured my back and knees the first time. I've had five knee surgeries alone so far. But this is different and I'll do anything they tell me. I just want it to feel better whatever that entails. I'll keep you posted and you take care of yourself too. God bless.

LOL I would never have guessed you weren't a research enthusiest!! Did you go to youtube and watch the complete replacement videos? We did....poor thing got a little scared after that, but she knew she would be asleep so it didn't matter to her, like you, all she wanted was the pain to stop.

Embarrassing thing....she would come in and tell me how she was only taking the pain med as described, I would secretly battle asking her for the extra's but I was proud of her for following through with everything.

Your knee sounds like it's been through some battles Robert! Even if they have to do a total replacement it has to be better than the continuous pain your in?? Is this one knee that gives you all the pain or both? Yes. Be sure to let us know what they have planned!

Is there such a thing as a "one stop fix"? Wouldn't that be great? Hmmm, on second thought maybe it's not a good idea, some of us need to experience life lessons in order to get to the fix-it place


Oh, on a side not....I decided to wait until Saturday then drop. I have this thing about doing my best at work and I really don't want to run the risk of being sick while here. I KNOW I probably won't know the difference, but.....uhm....just in casies.

It will have been 8 days clean off oxies.

OH OH OH, the pain clinic called today and left me a message to get in touch them concerning my appointment on Oct 14th. I didn't answer. It went to VM. I'm not calling them back. Ever. They are like dope dealers, calling to remind you and put the thought in to your head. Uh huh....

HA! I just saved myself $280.00

and why are we allowed only 3 emoticons per post??