[Daphers]

Good morning!

Hey Robert...I didn't take anymore last night, so I'm still gonna call it 3.8 when I divide the 8's into halfs, I will take a tiny junk off each on for the next 4 days (or is that 3 as yesterday counts as 1 )? and then divide that into half. Either way, it's going to get tricky getting the right amount ! Today I'm taking half of whats left of yesterday.

I'm going to get that mirror and my lines set up! LOL

Slept like a baby all night....at first I wasnt tired, didn't think I would go to sleep, knew I was in for a long night just laying therezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I can see where people feel 'brand new' and can trick themselves into jumping off to quick. Don't worry, I won't do that. I'm following your directions as close as I possible can!

I also read that some people gained major pounds and uhm......the 1 thing I did like about the oc's......lost the weight I couldn't get to budge before!! My treadmill really needs to stop being used to hang clothes on and I better start a exercise regime or I'm done for!

Maybe I should stop procrastinating and just go ahead and start it now

Have a great day!!

[Robert_325]

Daphers .... 3.8mg is outstanding. And I don't think subs cause anyone to gain weight but I would still exercise. I've not had anyone complain of that, it certainly didn't happen to me.

The way you are suggesting taking just a little off the 4mg and splitting it is fine for your induction. Keep your dosing times about 8-10 hours apart. And let me know how you're doing later in the day.

We'll continue this through the weekend and will then lower your dose a little more for you to take the next week. Talk later in the day. You've done great. God bless.

[Daphers]

3.8 just sounds soooo much better than 4 ! and that's where I'll stay all weekend.

How are you feeling? Are you kicking the flu's butt yet? I sure hope so....

I'm heading out to the beach, it's still nice n sunny here and the water is still warm enough to get in yeah, I live in Miami and you know us, when it drops below 70 we are done! By mid December we start getting "Sweater Alerts" on the news, that means it's going below 65, at 60 it's bundle up in your big jacket and scarf !! LOL....hey, before you start raggin on my love of the tropics, I was born in Oregon and lived in Alaska for 20+ years, I've had my fair share of rain, cold, snow and COLD. LOL

I will check back in later tonight.....it's just such a blessed feeling to head outside without the panicky fear the oc's gave me?

You and Melinda have a wonderful weekend!

[melinda7.5]

Hi Daphers
you did great starting out at 3.8......that was funny when you were talking about your treadmill...when I quit my drugs I was so out of shape I had to start out at 2 minutes a day and work my way up...but lucky you...you can go running on the beach...
I just wanted to jump in and say hi...
talk to you soon, Melinda

[htoth19]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Heather .... had I talked with you back at 20-30mg I would have suggested switching to suboxone to complete the taper. But my goodness, being at 10mg you should just finish off the methadone taper. It HAS TO BE SLOW now, no more 5mg reductions. Give it about a week and let me know how you feel. We'll be reducing your doses at about 10-15% every two weeks. This is the part that really drags along but I will help you do this where you won't get sick. Stay in touch, post often. I'm just sufferering with the flu today but I'll be here for you as you taper down. And you need to do the taper down all the way to ZERO. Won't be any jumping off abruptly at ANY dose. Stay in touch. God bless.

Robert- I was never up to 20-30mgs. Th highest ive gone is 15. i dropped from 15 to 10 and im ok now on that amount. But it took awhile. I dont want to be sick. I dont want to have to drive a half hour everyday to go get my daily pill. Its getting on my nerves to the point that its depressing. I think I should drop 1 mg every 2 weeks?

[Freedom4me]

Heather,
I started you your own thread. I posted on it again so it should be near the top of the list. Daphers, glad you are doing so well. 3.8 is awesome!! good for you

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Daphers
you did great starting out at 3.8......that was funny when you were talking about your treadmill...when I quit my drugs I was so out of shape I had to start out at 2 minutes a day and work my way up...but lucky you...you can go running on the beach...
I just wanted to jump in and say hi...
talk to you soon, Melinda

Hey Melinda!

C'mon....don't tell me you never used your treadmill as a place to drape half your closet on? My treadie used to be in my bedroom before I moved, and it literally sat right next to the closet....for some reason it was such a huge effort to hang the damn shirt back in the closet vs draping it across the treadmill........same goes for the folded clothes. Dry them, fold them on top of dryer, walk to bedroom, set on treadmill. Done. LOL

You say you were so out of shape when you quit your drugs, I've noticed that as well. BUT, when you were on your drugs, didn't you feel like you could go for hours? I mean, a work horse kind of feeling? I sure did. Something that would put most to sleep......perced my little butt right up. Odd

Oh, I do not run down the beach sweetie........I walk as fast as I can across the hot sand, put down my chair, and thats it! I like to listen to E-Books on my Ipod, that way I can still hear the seagulls chirping and people around me.

My guy friend is making me sad. He's an addict also, but his DOC is not pills, its something worse. He seems to have a handle on it and does it once a month or so.....but, he now thinks that I'm changing and he's not, nor will he ever My son also quit smoking weed last week. We had a long talk before I did this so he knew what was going on. Between his weed smoking and my pill taking we were not pleasant to each other, but we do love each other immensley. I felt like no one understood me, nor loved me. I was just a place to crash and a bank. He felt I was always mad at him and couldn't understand why I was crying all the time, and then angry the next minute. So my son and I kind of kicked this together in a way. But my guy friend..........he said he feels awkward around us now. We've been seeing each other for 3 years and things started to get bad a year or so ago when I began heavily popping. I'm telling you, I could not contain my mood swings, I was NEVER happy and it took it's toll on our relationship. I made the choice to stop the pills for me first and foremost, but also I knew it would help my relationship with my son and guy friend....

I know my guy friend is a trigger for me, but I really care for him and don't want to simply walk away, not yet. I've been feeling like he's pushing me away though, because he feels he's no good for me. It kind of makes sense, yet it stings none-the-less.

We shall see.

A very important lesson I've learned. Do not over worry. Do not stress yourself out before you attempt to do this. It makes it worse.

(((hugs))) Melinda, and thank you for visiting!

[Robert_325]

I went back to bed. The flu had beat me up this week pretty badly but I'm starting to get better I think. I know south Florida very well. I lived in West Palm and also in Sarasota. I love Florida except for it freakin raining every single day in the summer time. Otherwise it's great.

I used to nearly live on the beach at Lake Worth near West Palm. I was there every day while I lived in West Palm. That was in the 1970s. Then I was in Sarasota from 2003-2005. Shortly thereafter I retired and ended up back in Houston where I'm from. Lived a good four years in Florida. I was traveling the country in my business and Florida seemed a good place to "hide out" when I wasn't traveling. Then I met Melinda and ended up in Seattle for a while. It's too cold here for me. We'll go back south after her daughter graduates school in the spring.

Stay at 3.8mg this weekend and then we'll take you down "just a little". You're going to do very well at this. Talk with you later. God bless.

[BentReality]

Ohhh its not THAT cold up here Robert

Although this morning really gave you a sense of what is coming...another looong Winter.

[melinda7.5]

Hi daphers
OH yes, my treadmill had an inch of dust on it, it was down stairs...
I have a cleaning business and most of the people i clean for have treadmills and they to have clothes on them...I smoked when i took drugs and oh man it was hard to get started...I don't use it any more now, I like to go running outside...i still only do a mile,I have fibromyalgia so it is hard to do more than that...
I use to live around a bunch of addicts also, but i had to leave them behind,I started to go to church again when I stopped my drugs and they all said I was in a cult and I just didn't fit in with them anymore it is really hard to be around them...they all got mad at me because I quit......
your guy friend may see you clean now and want what you have, maybe you will help him by getting clean...
I hit the jack pot with Robert he was my prise for getting clean...LOL
Good things will come your way to just wait...

In the beginning i could work like a work horse, but after a couple years it took a toll on me...i was taking enough drugs to kill an elephant...
I was the oxycontin queen...
good talking to you...
Melinda

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I went back to bed. The flu had beat me up this week pretty badly but I'm starting to get better I think. I know south Florida very well. I lived in West Palm and also in Sarasota. I love Florida except for it freakin raining every single day in the summer time. Otherwise it's great.

I used to nearly live on the beach at Lake Worth near West Palm. I was there every day while I lived in West Palm. That was in the 1970s. Then I was in Sarasota from 2003-2005. Shortly thereafter I retired and ended up back in Houston where I'm from. Lived a good four years in Florida. I was traveling the country in my business and Florida seemed a good place to "hide out" when I wasn't traveling. Then I met Melinda and ended up in Seattle for a while. It's too cold here for me. We'll go back south after her daughter graduates school in the spring.

Stay at 3.8mg this weekend and then we'll take you down "just a little". You're going to do very well at this. Talk with you later. God bless.

Ahhhh......so you understand what I mean when I say 60 degrees is COLD! LOL..Even Texas is warmer than Seattle! Hey, I am by no means knocking Seattle at all. I grew up in Oregon and I remember the damp rainy days well, I also remember how nice the summers were, mountains, leaves turning in fall, those things we don't have here in S. Florida.

Lake Work/West Palm Beach has the prettiest beaches and the color of the ocean........so gorgeous. I'm pretty sure thats what keeps me here. I love the weather, water and sand. Although 3/4 of my is in Oregon and hound me weekly to move "Home" since the divorce has been over for awhile. Hmmm...maybe oneday.


Oh....You had to go mention the rain we get everyday in the summer! Damnit! Now it's raining ....hehehe, it's ok, a person needs to come inside eventually eh?

So your going migrating back south huh? This Spring? If that's the case then winter shouldn't be so hard this year as it could be the last! LOL I'm sure Melinda will love the warmer, less rainier weather.

I'm doing fine on the 3.8 Robert, I really am. The hardest part will be watching out for those triggers. It's going to be more mental for me than physical right now. Especially if I come of the subs "pain free". I don't want my mind to think this is a "get out of jail free" card.

Hope the weekend is being good to you!

[Robert_325]

There will always be triggers and temptation. It's inevitable so plan on and expect it. You can do anything you set your mind to do. God bless.

[joeyo720]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Ahhhh......so you understand what I mean when I say 60 degrees is COLD! LOL..Even Texas is warmer than Seattle! Hey, I am by no means knocking Seattle at all. I grew up in Oregon and I remember the damp rainy days well, I also remember how nice the summers were, mountains, leaves turning in fall, those things we don't have here in S. Florida.

Lake Work/West Palm Beach has the prettiest beaches and the color of the ocean........so gorgeous. I'm pretty sure thats what keeps me here. I love the weather, water and sand. Although 3/4 of my is in Oregon and hound me weekly to move "Home" since the divorce has been over for awhile. Hmmm...maybe oneday.


Oh....You had to go mention the rain we get everyday in the summer! Damnit! Now it's raining ....hehehe, it's ok, a person needs to come inside eventually eh?

So your going migrating back south huh? This Spring? If that's the case then winter shouldn't be so hard this year as it could be the last! LOL I'm sure Melinda will love the warmer, less rainier weather.

I'm doing fine on the 3.8 Robert, I really am. The hardest part will be watching out for those triggers. It's going to be more mental for me than physical right now. Especially if I come of the subs "pain free". I don't want my mind to think this is a "get out of jail free" card.

Hope the weekend is being good to you!

hey daphers. i live in pompano bch. i saw that you were from down here. roberts gonna help me induct like he did for you, probrably sometime monday,as my last dose of pills will be tommorow.i saw your induction went smoothly. if you dont mind me asking,how much were you on a day? im hoping mine goes as good as your does. i tried to do this last month without roberts help and it didnt work for me. i ended up going to see my pm doc . im glad things worked well for you, at such a low dose too. i have a pretty big tolerance. ill be glad to be where your at.take care.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by joeyo720

hey daphers. i live in pompano bch. i saw that you were from down here. roberts gonna help me induct like he did for you, probrably sometime monday,as my last dose of pills will be tommorow.i saw your induction went smoothly. if you dont mind me asking,how much were you on a day? im hoping mine goes as good as your does. i tried to do this last month without roberts help and it didnt work for me. i ended up going to see my pm doc . im glad things worked well for you, at such a low dose too. i have a pretty big tolerance. ill be glad to be where your at.take care.

Hi Joey !!

Honey, I can't begin to tell you how good it feels not to be craving those damn pills. I'm telling you, If Robert was standing here right now, I'd give him the biggest kiss and hug imaginable (I know you understand Melinda ...Robert eased my mind, he kept me calm, he KNEW I could do this. He knew it better than I did. That alone was such a huge thing for me. Robert knows we aren't losers, we are human and humans make mistakes. We need the encouragement, support and love from others whom understand and identify. The Drs, although I'm sure are trying to help, really haven't experienced this so how the hell can they actually tell you how to do it?

You'll be fine Joey, I promise you. Like Robert said, if you listen to him and do exactly what he says, you'll be fine. If you believe in yourself Joey, that you can do this.....there isn't anything that can stop you.

I was taking anywhere from 90- 120- 140 mgs a day. I know it isn't much in comparisom to others, but it still has that freaking grip on you. That horrible feeling of FEAR.

Sorry, I'm babbling away here....I'm still trying to get my words out. It's been so long since I could form a decent sentence.....sheeeeeeesh.

Melinda! I will reply to after Mass!! I have a few questions for you

Have a Blessed Sunday!

[Daphers]

Robert, Melinda, Pam.....

I wasn't able to sleep well at all last night. Also had some stomach problems going on but took some Immodium. Fixed that. I tried to take a nap a little bit ago but couldn't sleep.

Also having some sweating/chills, minor ones but they are there, and now anxiety is kicking in

I'm trying to make it 8 - 10 hours but I'm getting anxious, top that up with the no sleep.

Ugh.

Also......since the anxiety is there I've had those thoughts

Sorry to bother you on Sunday but I want to do this, not fail and now here come the tears......

[Freedom4me]

Daphers,
Hang in there. Don't do anything until Robert responds if you can take it. There is bound to be some discomfort. Take a hot bath, and I mean soak in it. That really helps. Drink lots of water and gatorade. If you can try to take a short walk that would be good. Just take it 10 min at a time. Robert is probably at church but he will be on today again. He will make the proper adjustments to your induction. I can't stress enough to hang on if you can and NO opiates. You will just have to start all over and I know you don't want that. You can do this. Keep posting, keeps you busy. Go post to other people in you position and encourage them. It will pump you up.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Robert, Melinda, Pam.....

I wasn't able to sleep well at all last night. Also had some stomach problems going on but took some Immodium. Fixed that. I tried to take a nap a little bit ago but couldn't sleep.

Also having some sweating/chills, minor ones but they are there, and now anxiety is kicking in

I'm trying to make it 8 - 10 hours but I'm getting anxious, top that up with the no sleep.

Ugh.

Also......since the anxiety is there I've had those thoughts

Sorry to bother you on Sunday but I want to do this, not fail and now here come the tears......

Thanks for jumping in Jenny. We just got in from church. Relax. Don't cry! Remember that I told you this induction is a four day process? During the 2nd -4th days sometimes we have to make adjustments. You're only at 3.8mg which is a very low induction. I want you to take .5mg right now. Then this afternoon take your normal dose. That should make you better. Let me know in a couple hours how you're doing.

Tomorrow, if all goes well today, you'll still only be at 4.5mg which is a great job, certainly nothing to be sad about. You should be ecstatic, you're on your way to getting well. You should take 2.25mg in the morning and the other 2.25mg in the afternoon 8 hours after the morning dose if this extra .7mg works as I anticipate. You'll still only be at 4.5mg which is fantastic!

Keep me posted with how you're feeling and have faith! This will all work out fine for you. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Thanks for jumping in Jenny. We just got in from church. Relax. Don't cry! Remember that I told you this induction is a four day process? During the 2nd -4th days sometimes we have to make adjustments. You're only at 3.8mg which is a very low induction. I want you to take .5mg right now. Then this afternoon take your normal dose. That should make you better. Let me know in a couple hours how you're doing.

Tomorrow, if all goes well today, you'll still only be at 4.5mg which is a great job, certainly nothing to be sad about. You should be ecstatic, you're on your way to getting well. You should take 2.25mg in the morning and the other 2.25mg in the afternoon 8 hours after the morning dose if this extra .7mg works as I anticipate. You'll still only be at 4.5mg which is fantastic!

Keep me posted with how you're feeling and have faith! This will all work out fine for you. God bless.

I took the 3.5 a little earlier than I should have , probaby 8 hours......waited , still going up in anxiety, am going to take the .5 now.

I don't mind if it takes more to work, I really don't.

I will stick to it for as long as it takes.

Going to go out for awhile to see if I can settle down.

F4....thank you so much, panic isn't fun at all.

Taking deep breathes....

Church was good today, really good.

[Robert_325]

8 hours is fine. Remember the induction takes four days. Just bear with me and we'll get this down just fine. Post back in a couple hours, let me know how you feel. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

8 hours is fine. Remember the induction takes four days. Just bear with me and we'll get this down just fine. Post back in a couple hours, let me know how you feel. God bless.

HA! Bare with you? That isn't a problem...you bare with me!

Ok Robert my heart has stopped pounding and the pupils returned to normal size.

I'm good. yup.

Talked the boyfriend into taking me fishing this evening, to keep my as well as him busy.

It makes me sad I may have to say goodbye to him for awhile until I get this under control.

hugs!

[Daphers]

Jenny, again thanks for coming to my rescue. Your post went straight to my phone so I received it right away. Whew.

Robert, I'm feeling much better. One thing I need to remember is.....the xanax. I do take it daily. No more than 2 mg. Normal days it's 1.5 . I did let the Dr know about this and he said as long as I stay below that I will be fine. Well....I've been scared to take them so I cut back and didn't take one last night to help me sleep. So that could have had something to do with the feelings I had today. I dunno....

I am estatic that I made the choice to stop and have stuck to it. I plan on keeping it that way.

2.25 and 2.25 . Got it and it's all ready for tomorrow.

I do see the Dr tomorrow....not sure yet what I'm going to tell him. It's going to be somewhere in the area of "12 was too much, 8 seems to be ok". He did tell me it was ok to adjust it if the amount prescribed was to much.

It's his idea that this is and will be a maintenace (long term) medication for me. No. I didn't need it a few years ago and I don't plan on needing it 4 months from now.

Hi Melinda! I hope you guys had a great weekend and a wonderful week to come.

Hugs,

[Robert_325]

When you go tomorrow just nod yes when you are asked a question, don't talk about anything. You need the meds from him. You don't have to go into details. Get as many meds as you can and soon you won't even have to go back anymore. But don't blow your cover and spill your guts. God bless.

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

When you go tomorrow just nod yes when you are asked a question, don't talk about anything. You need the meds from him. You don't have to go into details. Get as many meds as you can and soon you won't even have to go back anymore. But don't blow your cover and spill your guts. God bless.

Ugh.

Not one of my best abilities. Talking. I'm a nervous talker.

Yeah, I will just say everything went just smooooooooth!

Oh...I have to pee in the cup tomorrow. Ha! He wanted me to pee last Friday but he must have forgot what I went through the night before and hydrated I wasn't.

Nodding my head....night night!

Dolphins Won!!

[tired2]

Hi Daphers,
I'm sorry you hit that bump..Glad Jenny was able to help. So will this be the thread you will be using? So are you taking Xanax also if so I wouldn't taper of it till you are done with the sub taper. I'm glad you are doing better .We can talk later.
Pam

[melinda7.5]

Hi Daphers
When I took the subs after my surgery,Robert had to adjust my dose the next day also...Im really proud of you, your doing great and did you catch any fish when you went fishing...
have to work for a bit in the morning
talk to you later, Melinda

[Freedom4me]

Daphers,
Keep on keepin on girl!!! You can do this if you really want it and I know you do. Keep posting here. If i'm not here to help you in a "down" moment someone else will be. This is the best place for you right now. Stay glued. There are the best people for you right now. You are doing really great. We have all been here.
Jenny

[Daphers]

Originally Posted by Freedom4me

Daphers,
Keep on keepin on girl!!! You can do this if you really want it and I know you do. Keep posting here. If i'm not here to help you in a "down" moment someone else will be. This is the best place for you right now. Stay glued. There are the best people for you right now. You are doing really great. We have all been here.
Jenny

Thanks again Jenny!!

I do want to. I had a few people make some unwanted comments yesterday and it makes me want to get off and stay off even more. I'm starting to realize how active addicts manipulate without them even knowing they are doing it. hmmmm.....thoughts to ponder.

A few questions.

1. How long do I hold this under my tongue?? and I'm going to venture out and say I swallow right what if it's not all disolved and I swallow? aside from it tasting nasty that is.... I will have to dose at work today and uhm....kinda hard not being able to talk?? do I hold my tongue down on the pill? LOL I feel silly asking this ....especially when I have a mouthful of spit

Melinda! Yes we caught several fish last night!! Ocean fishing is such a different experience from the lakes n rivers I'm used to! Here, you never know what your going to pull up We caught several grouper, yellow tail snapper and an assortment of other things you don't keep, like grunts, porgies, goggle eyes..........it's so much fun at night when it's dark n creppy, your out in the middle of the ocean, pulling up something from the dark waters...but it's peacefull and it's therapeutic for me, I would do it everyday if the boyfriend would go out! The moon was full last night and seemed to hang right over the boat. So pretty......and I smelled so fishy!

I will try and get on here during the day, but again, it's hard at work for me to log into the internet, I have a boss who plays on it all day but I'm not supposed to! HUH?

Ok, off to the Drs with zipped lips and a bobblehead!! uh huh...uh huh, sure, hmm...uh uh, everthings fine, uh huh, thank you BYE! LOL LOL

Have a great day everyone!

[Freedom4me]

Daphers,
I have not used the subs but I'm sure someone will pop in here anytime and give you some advice. Pam? Melinda? Robert? Tell your doctor I said Hi lol. They think they know so much. Look how far you've come and what you have accomplished by following some "internet guy" lol. Your doc would laugh his a$$ off if you told him you put your faith in Robert! So sad and closed minded. Daphers, you have a good day. You are doing everything right to beat this!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Daphers

Thanks again Jenny!!

I do want to. I had a few people make some unwanted comments yesterday and it makes me want to get off and stay off even more. I'm starting to realize how active addicts manipulate without them even knowing they are doing it. hmmmm.....thoughts to ponder.

A few questions.

1. How long do I hold this under my tongue?? and I'm going to venture out and say I swallow right what if it's not all disolved and I swallow? aside from it tasting nasty that is.... I will have to dose at work today and uhm....kinda hard not being able to talk?? do I hold my tongue down on the pill? LOL I feel silly asking this ....especially when I have a mouthful of spit

Melinda! Yes we caught several fish last night!! Ocean fishing is such a different experience from the lakes n rivers I'm used to! Here, you never know what your going to pull up We caught several grouper, yellow tail snapper and an assortment of other things you don't keep, like grunts, porgies, goggle eyes..........it's so much fun at night when it's dark n creppy, your out in the middle of the ocean, pulling up something from the dark waters...but it's peacefull and it's therapeutic for me, I would do it everyday if the boyfriend would go out! The moon was full last night and seemed to hang right over the boat. So pretty......and I smelled so fishy!

I will try and get on here during the day, but again, it's hard at work for me to log into the internet, I have a boss who plays on it all day but I'm not supposed to! HUH?

Ok, off to the Drs with zipped lips and a bobblehead!! uh huh...uh huh, sure, hmm...uh uh, everthings fine, uh huh, thank you BYE! LOL LOL

Have a great day everyone!

Drink a big glass of water before you take the sub dose so your mouth is hydrated. Then put it under your tongue and let it stay there until it dissolves. Yes eventually you'll swallow it but not until it dissolves, that's why being hydrated is so important.

I like the zipped lips and bobblehead analogy. That's too funny. Talk to me when you get a chance, let me know how it goes. God bless.

[Daphers]

My supervisor just walked out so I'm editing this to explain a bit more

Appt went smooth...he filled the script for 12 mgs a day. So thats what? 24 8 mg pills?

Robert, I still feel weird, a bit on the edge of nervous, ears are humming, eyes wide open and generally feeling like I've drank 38 cups of coffee.

took the 2.25 this morning at 8:30......it takes forever to disolve? The Dr said it should only take a few minutes?? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You liked the bobble-head analogy huh? Well, it pretty much went just like that...uh huh, uh huh, huh uh, yup, ok Thank You! See you in a month! ....he's fast.

How's that flu bug? squashed it yet?