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Old 06-13-2006, 06:29 PM
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Anyone know if this is a felony or a misdemeador? I just got notice in the mail that I am being charged for obtain rx by fraud, See I forged my prescription for methadone last september, I lied to the police and told them that my script was at my mothers house and someone there must have forged it to see if I would get away with it, I was afraid to tell the truth at that point in time because I still had my addiction and I was so afraid of what would happen to me, regardless, the police officer never got back with me after he had questioned me and apparently they have enough evidence or whatever to charge me becuase he had to have sent it to the prosecuting attourney in order for the state to press charges on me, I am going to see my court appointed lawyer this week about another felony that I am being charged with, and this here warrent for the rx thing just got issued becuase I just went to the courthouse for arrainment to get rid of my warrent for the other charge and If I would have had 2 warrents out then they would have said something to me about it, I am really scared now as to whats going to happen to me, I dont wan tto end up going to jail!! I cant go to jail I am 8 months pregnant and I have 2 small children these mistakes that I have made were last year when I had a problem with drugs and I was abusing them, I have since gotten help for my problem, I am going to tell my lawyer this week, I will still have to go to arraignment for it to ged rid of the warrent but I really want his advice as to what I should do, I am hoping when I go in front of the judge for it I can explain that I realize what I did was wrong and that is why I went and got treatment on my own for my drug problem, If he sees I made the effort on my own and sees that I have had clean urine for 2 months and that I go to counsling for it 2 times a week I am hoping the most I get out of that is probation and I am hoping none of this **** goes on my record you know that kind of **** is permanent, it could screw up my chance to work in the healthcare system like I want, boy I have really f@ck@d up this time around, all these criminal charges, I am so scared that with so many of them I will end up in jail, these no way I will get off of everything with no jail time!! Has anyone ever done what I did with the whole prescription thing? does anyone know what the consequenses are? Man I am so scared I havent even told my boyfriend whats going on yet, he knows nothing, hes going to flip when he finds all this out, I hope he doesnt split up with me over it!! Gosh anyone know what will happen to me?
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Old 06-13-2006, 07:57 PM
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Unfortunately, I believe it is a felony because methadone is a controlled substance. If it was just a regular prescription it would be a misdemeanor. Just tell the truth. Get as much documentation from your counselor and the people you get clean urine through. Do everything in your power to stay clean. Take parenting classes, and ask other agencies for help. Getting lots of extra help will look good and help you in the long run. Don't worry about your boyfriend. Perhaps he should be out of the picture right now. Worry about you and your children. If I can help in any way I will be glad to. Are you able to make arrangements for your children and your baby if they send you to prison? I think they will be easier on you if you do everything in your power to turn things around. Just be honest and accept responsibility for your wrondoings.

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Old 06-13-2006, 09:26 PM
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By all means talk to your liar about it, hopefully he can plead it down to a misdemeanor, maybe you can pay a fine and do some community service. Saying someone else forged it doesn't sound like a good defense, I doubt anyone would believe it. You're such a crazy girl!

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She's not "such a crazy girl," rather she is someone who needs our help and prayers right now. We all go through tough times and have all done things we are not proud of. Unfortunately, when you have an addiction problem as well, most people live for their drugs when they are in that deep. Can't seem to get out. Perhaps this is your eye opener. Keep your chin up and know we are thinking of you. God Bless.

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Hey cats meow, typo I think you said talk to my liar about it I think you meant Lawyer??lol ha ha

and nene thank you for your support, very nice of you, although you asked me if I could make arrangements for my children and my baby if I were to go to prison, you said it so bluntly almost like can you find a sitter if you go to the mall, I mean I kind of threw me off guard, I really dont think that they will throw me in prison over it, Its my first offense with it, I didnt get the drugs I only attempted to and I have seeked drug counsling and quit all on my own, I dount they will throw a mother of 3 in prison over something like that, and cats meow, I do plan to tell the truth I know no ones going to believe it if I say I didnt do it, I only said that at the time because I was scared, I am hoping that I get a considerate judge and explain to him that I am aware of my wrongdoings and that the drugs played a big role and that since I have gotten off the drugs I have stayed out of trouble, do you seriously think that I will go to prison over that? I wouldnt be able to do it I would end up kiling myself, I cant be away from my kids for that kind of time or for that reason, my mother went to prison when I was 9 years old she was there for 3 years, I didnt live with her anyhow I was taken away from her at 3 years old and lived with my aunt and uncle but I couldnt imagine doing to my children what was done to me, they are only 2 and 4 and I have another on the way, I realize my mistakes and I know I need to grow up and knock off the dumb **** for my kids sake, I hope I get get all the charges against me taken care of without doing jail time, It wasnt anything serious or dangerous or anything I thought was that wrong criminally, I was on drugs and It altered my thinking the only thing that I thought about was how I was going to get my next fix, I have since then changed that and I hope the judge that I get sees that, I cant go to jail, It would ruin my life, and another thing, I cant just leave my boyfriend out of the loop, I live with him, I have been with him for 5 years and hes the father of all my children, I am doing everything in my power to work on our relationship right now, if he knew any of these charges he would prolly throw me out on my ass, I love him so much I dont want to lose him and I really really dont want to go to jail, I am so scared please keep me in your prayers,
honestly what do you think will happen to me? You really think I am going to go to prison?

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No, not a typo, it's what I call them, and basically what they all are. I don't think you'd go to jail over that, I sure hope not, you've gone through so much, I just hope they don't lump all your indiscretions together and try and make a bigger issue out of all of it- then it would be singularly. I think because of your situation (kids, health, income), and if you have no serious police record, all you'll get is probation, and maybe some community service. I know you'll tell the truth, and you want all this behind you, and you've learned from your mistakes, you're a good person on the inside, the judge or DA should see that and go easy. Try not to worry too much, you're going to be okay.

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Thank you I needed to hear that!! I am still scared to death and I cant stop thinking about it, I meet with my attourney tommorow, I wonder what hes going to say, he will know if I am going to get jail time or not..

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Nenene (Hello by the way and welcome to another of my favorite realms online to haunt!) is right, it is a felony. She was a pharmacist for quite a few years and still maintains her license, though she is PHD in something else.

I know you are worried, and it just goes to prove my point of how different the addict is, from the person who is really hidden under that addict and the desperate drug haze. I am sorry to say, that I will be surprised if you don't get any jail time. They are really taking these crimes seriously now and cracking down on them serverely.

I don't remember what state you said you are in, but there was a young woman, with a situation similar to yours, who had moved in with her parents across the street from us. She was single with two children and had a drug problem, as well as many others. I will not bother you with all the details of how she misused and abused our kindness, I will just leave it at saying that if she dropped dead tomorrow, we would not give one whit anymore. But anyway, her oldest son was sick and the doc had prescribed a children's cough syrup, since his cough wasn't responding to OTC meds. Well, she tried to say that when she got in the car, she dropped the scrip on the floor, it was wet and muddy and her boys stepped on it and the ink bleed a little, so she didn't change the scrip, "It just happened." LOL! (No offense to you, you are facing up to what you did!) Anyway, I am not sure how she thought that was going to explain it changing to a prescription for cough syrup with codeine, especially for a 3 year old, but she really did try that when she got caught.

Her situation was a little worse though, because she actually got the Codeine Couch Syrup. She went to one of the really small, family owned pharmacies and a young kid was working, and he filled it for her. Then when the kids dad, who was the head pharmacist came in and he saw the scrip in the file, he had a fit about him fillin a prescription for any narcotic substance that looked tampered with. The guy called her and said he would not press charges if she just returned the rest of the bottle, it hadn't been long enough for her son, if she was really giving it to him, to have taken more than one or two doses at first, heck, if she gave a 3 year old a Codeine Cough Syrup, he probably wouldn't wake up for the second dose for a few days.

Then of course, she left her parent's apartment, and claimed she was returning it. When she got back, she assured them and us, that it was over, just a misunderstanding because the scrip got smeared, and she had returned the bottle as he asked. Well, of course she danged well didn't return it, so they called the police and DEA. Then the warrant went out, more than one charge on hers though, because she had actually managed to fraudulently obtain the substance. She was charged with the attempt as well as the obtaining of a controlled substance through fraudulent means. They arrested her, and she ended up with time served for the attempt charges, then 3 months in jail for the obtaining of it, plus 3 years of probation.

Then of course, she tried it AGAIN! So more jail time and probation, she can't stay out of trouble anymore, and she is not a peaceful drunk or druggie if you get my drift.

Anyway, I am not trying to scare you, your charges are less than hers were, but you might end up with a little jail time for this one.

Anyway, this same person actually stole my birthcontrol prescription fills once. I didn't even know, I was on my period week and went to the pharmacy to ask for my refill so I could start my new pack on time that Sunday. Anyway, they told me it was too soon, I had just picked it up a few days ago, I am on the state medical, and you can't get fills on anything until 1 week or less before it is due, but at least they do give you that week, in case you did just drop or lose a pill somewhere, to make sure you don't run out. Anyway, I knew dang well it was the inactive pill week, I never even take the placebo ones, I just ignore them and toss them out, and that I hadn't gotten if filled yet.

Anyway, there I am in the pharmacy trying to tell them that NO, I HAD NOT PICKED THEM UP OR EVEN ORDERED THEM TO BE READY YET! As a matter of fact, I had a new paper scrip on file at the pharmacy, I was out of the ones on the package, so I couldn't call in and use the automated system like I would usually due where you can just punch in your scrip number and they will get it ready for you, because no refills left means the number on that bottle is no longer valid. However, this girl had ridden to the store with my husband several weeks before when she needed something from the pharmacy (Having of course been banned from the other one!) and he was going anyway to pick up my refill for me. So she knew what I was prescribed.

I raised holy double toothpicks over it, they kept saying I must have had someone pick it for me or something, and I said no, the only one who ever picks up my stuff other than me, is my husband, and he never goes in and waits for the new fills, because they take so long, he will only go when he can run in, grab something, sign the paper and leave. So finally they decided to pull the papers from the day it was picked up and check. So they asked me if I had indeed picked up another prescription for a different med on such and such a day, I said yes, they pulled the paper files for that day and had me confirm that what was on there was indeed my signature. Then they dug out the ones for the day the pills had been picked up.

Then the arguing stopped, I had already been using that pharmacy for almost 2 years, since we moved here for Andy to go to college since it is closer and transferred everything from our old pharmacy, so they had tons of examples of my signature, and my husbands on file, and the one for the day my BC was picked up, was not even close, heck, my name wasn't even spelled right, now I mean I know my name is very unusual, but spelling it has never been a problem for me, really, I can usually handle my own name, and both were spelled wrong, not just my first name, but our last name as well. So they went into the computer and had to fix it so I could get my pill pack, and also reverse the charges from my insurance as an error, because it would not cover another pack that soon.

Then they had to pull the store surveillance videos from that day, though it wasn't hard, they had just built this store a few blocks from the old one, so they had the most modern equipment and the image files were kept in the main computer databank. So they made me wait while they did that, and also contacted the police and DEA. They asked if I could identify anyone from the images, the stills are done every so many seconds, so they pulled the ones around the time the computer said the scrip had been scanned out, the second pic was HER! So I had to give them and the police her name, phone number, and address. Thankfully, I was never involved after that, since I hadn't actually witnessed the event, and had just ID'd her so they knew who had done it.

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By the way, the attorney will not know for sure if you will get jail time, any sooner than you will when you have your trial. Unless you try to get the DA to settle for something easy like fines or community service. But like I said, it is a felony, and the DEA has a stake in this, so they might now want to be that lenient.

I will keep you in my thoughts that you don't get any severe punishment. Maybe I should cast a spell or two for you? LOL!

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yeh, you ought to do that lol ha ha ha I am really scared though, I didnt know any better, I guess I never really thought of what the consequenses would be for it, but I will make them aware that since the incident whoch was almost a year ago that I have become drug free and I havent gotten into any trouble since then, It was a stupid mistake and I learned my lesson, I never even got it filled, they called my doc right then and there and told me they couldnt fill it becuase it had been altered, I acted like i had no idea, I really dont want to go to jail so I hope theres something that I can do, I want to be able to talk to the judge and explain everything to him, maybe hell be understanding...who knows, I will let you know what my lawyer says tommorow

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Being on Methadone isn't being drug free, you don't have that statement going for you, maybe since that script wasn't filled, they'll see it as attempt and go easier.

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Yeh I hope they do go easier on me, and I see what your saying about the methadone but I look at in differently, the only reason I am taking it is for the sake of my unborn baby, otherwise I wouldnt be on it and its been over 2 months since I have put any drugs in my system, you may look at it however you want but I consider myself clean unser the circumstanses, I have not abused anything in over 2 months!! my dr and my therapist, my drug counslers all consider me as "clean"

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Well, you guys were right, I am definately going to get jail time, I just got out of jail 2 hours ago, This morning at 800, I heard banging on my glass door to my livingroom, I came downstairs, I was in my underwear and there was a policeman in my house!! He asked me if I was Elizabeth and informed me that he has warrents for my arresst and that I had to come with him, I had to have my neighbors come sit with my kids, he followed me around, he must have thought that I was going to attempt to run or something, he wouldnt even let me go to the bathroom to go pee without going in there with me, talk about an ivasion of privacy, I had to get undresed and dressed in front of him as well, something just doesnt seem right there, I didnt think they have a right to come in your house, how did he know for sure whether or not I even lived here? I know he had warrents but I didnt htink he had that kind of a right!! anyhow, I am super lucky to be out, my bond was 10,000$ thankfully the judge let me out under the circumstances with me being 8 months pregnant and the medicine I am on and the fact that I already get help for my drug problem, he almost through me back into rehab to ensure that I stayed on the methadone throughout my pregnancy, well I was able to explain to him that I have been on it and I have been driving down to the clinic once a week on my own free will, once he talked with my dr he ok'd it for me to go home on a pr bond, thank god, although I dont feel much better being home, I can tell my boyfriend was upset that they let me out, I dont think that he wanted me home, he didnt know about the warrents and what not o now he thinks I was decieveing him, I myself have only known for 2 days...except for the one I took care of last week, anyhow, I dont think he wants to be with me anymore, he said some pretty awful things to me on the ride home, I left my kids at his sisterinlaws house for the night because of everything thats going on, I didnt want the kids to be around us if we were fighting, well I am not fighting its him fighting with me I am just listening, he had some sort of plans tonight I dont know exactly what they were he wouldnt tell me he said it was none of my buisness, I asked him if he was having people over becasue I am not in the mood for his lil girlfriends to come over here drinking and what not, XXXX they are only 19 years old, my ol man is going to be 29, what the XXXX is he doing hanging out with girls that young? and I am really supposed to believe that they are just friends? my XXX!! I am still his girlfriend so I think its pretty bogus of him to have said the things he did, just because I asked him he said dont XXXXXXX worry about it its none of your buisness, you arent my wife and you never will be so get off of it, he said you aret going to tell me what I can and cant do, your the XXXXXX criminal!!
so much for support right? I mean I didnt expect it from him but I didnt htink he would be this way out of line!! I can tell he doesnt want me here I just dont think he has the XXXXX to kick me out being 8 months pregnant with his child, he knows I have no where to go, not only that I take care of our 2 children every day when he goes to work, well hek I take care of them when he gets home from work as well, he doesnt do anything with them, I think thats the ONLY reason he hsant kicked me out, things werent going good even before this happened today, he doesnt have sex with me I can tell he doesnt even want me in his bed, I just dont know what to do , normally I would be like okay I will leave, I am not going to stay where I am not wanted, but for some reason I just cant do that, I love him way too much and my children are my responsibility I cant just take off without a plan, as bad as I want to for his sake, I was thinking that maybe if I did that and didnt contact him for 2 weeks or so that he might come to his senses but I cant take the kids away from him for that long either, hed press kidnapping chrges on me or something, besides its me that he doesnt want around, not the kids, he had to come pick me up from his sister in laws house to bring me home, I walked to her house from the jail, I would have walked home but we live 26 miles from the jail, and I didnt have my car or any money so I had no other choice but to ask him, boy oh boy was he mad that he had to come pick me up!! He must have thought he was picking our kids up as well and I told him they were going to spend the night there because she had already planned on it and my kids wanted to stay so they could go swimming and play with their cousin, he says to me what a waste!! I wouldnt have drove all the way here to get you if I would have known I was only coming here to get you!! and I said oh thanks so I am not worth picking up and he said XXXX no, can you imagine how bad it hurt me to hear that? I mean I know I made a mistake but this is just uncalled for, this whole forged script thing happened 8 months ago, he acts like I just did it or something, I mean I went in on my own to get help for my problem you think hed be supportive in some sort of way!! I love him so much, any suggestions as to what I should do? I mean I know hes real mad at me, this proves it ok his sister in law talked to his dad, well they went out of town today and his dad said if I needed him to bail me out when he got back then he would, Todd told me he would have made sure his dad didnt bail me out, I mean he hates me that much!! He really doesnt want me here otherwise he wouldnt have said that, I feel so uncomfortable being here, should I just give him his space and maybe start sleeping on the couch or something, and just pay no attention to him? He already told me that I will never regain his trust back so I might as well quit trying, I just dont knwo how to act around him, no matter what I do or how I act its going to XXXX him off regardless to its a no win situation, I just have to be real careful he doesnt kick me out of his house, I know he wants to, he tried to kick me out of his car on the way home and I told him I wasnt getting out of the car, I feel like such a loser, If I wasnt pregnant and didnt have kids, I think I may have considered suicide, dont get me wrong I am not suicidal but the thought has crossed my mind!! theres is no one left in my life that cares about me or loves me, I screw everything up, I am a poor excuse for a person I tell you that...

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Your BF sounds like a real immature Ahole loser. Try and hang in there, I hope things turn around for you, sounds like a real rough road for awhile. Don't you have any family you can turn to? You need to get into a better situation somehow. Try and stay focused and take care of each individual problem as they come along, it's about all you can do at this point, don't give up hope.

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quote:I am a poor excuse for a person I tell you that...
Sweetchik, this is the quote I was looking for, but I responded in another thread. "Methadone help" I think was it...

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Very sorry to hear what happened and how your boyfriend is acting, however, this is not new for him and it is NEVER going to change. You can't love enough for two, and no matter how much you are worried about your kids, it will better for them if you two step away from eachother, it is not going to be good for them to grow up listening to daddy hating mommy and etc.

And yes, when they have a warrant for your arrest, they can do that, when you did the crime, you basically gave up your privacy rights, even in the bathroom, jail privacy will be even worse.

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Yeh well one of the things I am being chrged with I didnt do, I admit the other 2, but last summer I pawned some jewlrey for my crack addict mother, I should have known it was stolen so my bad there but still I am being charged for initially stealing the jewlrey when I in fact did not, I dont know whats going to happen with that, it too is another felony, I doubt the judge will believe me considering I am facing 3 charges...but I really didnt do it, I would admit it If I did because I am coming clean with everything so I can put it all behind me...I dont mind being punished for the crimes I did commit but its highly unfair to have me take the punishment for something that I did not do...

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Man oh man my boyfriend is such an XXX!! He came home from the bar an hour ago at 230 in the morning and woke me up, he was/is drunk and boligerant, he was being so XXX ignorant!! He kicked me out of the house in the middle of the night, I am 8 months pregnant with his kid and he had the nerve to kick me out for nothing, I called him at the bar at midnight and told him I was going to bed and he said goonight, I love you which was odd he never tells me he loves me especially not lately, I knew he was drunk to tell me that, I didnt think he would get mean drunk though, anyhow I left as he asked and waited for him to fall asleep before I came back in the house, I have nowhere to go at this hour of the night, and I have no money for a hotel room, when he wakes up I am guessing early afternoon tommorowI am going to start packing my things and go stay with my aunt, he can spend fathers day with his kids all by himself, I already told him that I am not putting up with his ****, he has said and done enough, just because I have made some mistakes doesnt give him the right to treat me the way he is, I am only human and my mistakes are in the past, I have forgiven myself but I ask myself why I have done that because he throws it in my face every single day and he holds the fact that I live with him in his house over my head hes constantly kicking me out when he gets angry and then tells me he didnt mean it, lastnight I slpet in my car because he kicked me out, right across the street in the church parking lot and he didnt even come and get me to tell me he was sorry, he actually let me sleep there all night long knowing i had nowhere to go, then he called me from work around 10 this morning and acted like nothing was up....I just dont understand him but I know I dont need him, he is only making mt life more miserable, who knows if hes cheating on me as well, I know he and I arent having sex, Im not even allowed to sleep in his bed...plus he takes off all the time and doesnt tell me where hes going he says its none of my buisness, well I am done, Im not going to stay where I am not welcome, I guess I am going to have to go stay at the homeless mission or something, I have nowhere to go and he knows it but I am not going to live like this either, being kicked out every other night and sleeping in my car...its not right, I would never do that to him no matter how mad I got at him, and not to mention if I were a man and my women was pregnant, especially 8 months, I would never kick her out and make her sleep in her car, its wrong in so many ways, I can tell he doesnt love me anymore though so I am going to go as he asked, but I refuse to go sleep in my car again, Its too uncomfortable and I am too far along in my pregnancy for that, I am going to go back in the house and go to sleep on the couch, in the morning when I get up and around I will call around and go stay somewhere, I am sure by morning hell act like he doesnt know whats going on and he wont remember kicking me out, I know he would have been dumbfounded if I werent here when he wakes up in the morning, which is still a possibility, If I wake up before him which I prolly will I am going to be gone before he wakes up, I am not leaving a note or anyhitng, in fact I am going to leave my cell phone here, he pays for it so I am not taking it with me....I cant imagine how that will go over, I have never left and went somewhere where he had no idea where I was at or at least when I did that I had my phone so he could call me, this time I wont do any of that, well I will check in with you all later, if I am not on for a few days its becasue I dont have access to a computer where I am at...

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You don't need the stress that's for sure.When someone uses your past all they are trying to do is control you,say goodbye to this turkey.He can see the baby every other weekend or whatever you decide.Sounds like he's very inmature and self centred to boot,something that you don't need anymore.It might hurt for awhile but one of these days your going to meet a guy that treats women like they should be treated and it will blow you away.Have a good day and don't take his shet.....Dave
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:46 AM
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well its been 10 days since we had those problems and although he is still pretty moody I think he has lightened up a bit, I really dont want to move out, I love him so much I would do anything to make things work out betweeen us and have things go back to the way they were a couple years ago when he wanted to marry me, you know when he truly loved me, he has put up with a lot of my **** I will give you that, I give him lots of credit because he dealt with me at times no one else would have and he has put up with a lot more **** than most guys would have tolerated but now its time for a fresh beggining but if my past keeps getting brought up that wont end up happening..
Things are ok between he and I right now, just a little tense becasue of how the kids have been acting lately but well get through. anyhow I will be back later if I need to talk..

Liz ann
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