[dougy]

I have been crying for most of the day. I took my last perc sunday took 20mg and was on about a 60 to 90 day habit for the past 4 months and about 45mg habit before that for about year.'
anyway it was becuase of back injury now is starting to feel better but want to stop taking. I just just the heck with and done sunday morning well it's Monday night and I have be crying and am crying while I type this. not sure if I can do it.
Have wife and 2 small kids. I have some kloninpin and vitamints just wondering how long this is going to last and the crying is it normal? I"m a grown man bawling like a baby.
PLEASE HELP ME SOMEONE.

[cheekysod]

dougy, there is a recipe here somewhere called the thomas recipe. i will see if i can figure out how to print a link.
it has lotsof things that will help you through the withdrawls, you have not been on too high a dose, most of it is going to be mental, the physical will pass in 4 days for sure.
you are crying because you are going through something rough, i know how it feels.
i used to feel helpless coz it was me who got myself into this situation.
you have a family and everything to gain, by struggling on mate, you
CAN GET THRU THIS.
i will see if i can find that recipe and post back to you.
do not give up, you are going to get people here giving you all sorts of good ideas,
we have been there where you are now mate.
stay strong and focussed, you will make it,

your first big step was posting here for help,
good luck
cheeky

[cheekysod]

ok i dont know how to do the link, but i can copy and paste.
here it is. hope it is of some assistance to you.
cheeky. p.s im on suboxone, tapering off after a long history of methadone, etc etc. good luck

The Thomas Recipe - For Opiate Withdrawal

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I found this reading the board, but decided to post it again for those who haven't found it and for all us "newbies". Peace and good luck to all of those here stuggling with addicition.


"PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

THOMAS RECIPE

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

Thomas"

[Robert_325]

dougy ..... Any man that has really suffered through addiction and says he has never cried is lying or has no concept of emotion. Don't be embarrassd about shedding some tears. That is a sign of improvement in my book. We hide our emotions all that time we're using opiates.

I agree with cheekysod about the Thomas Recipe. There have been LOTS of people use it successfully on this forum and it's all over the internet. If there is anything I can do to help you let me know. I'm here every day just about. If not me there are other knowledgeable people glad to help. Hang in there, this will get better as long as YOU DON'T USE NO MATTER WHAT!!! Remember that if you do this right you only have to do this once then you never have to use again.

Most important understand that recovery is a process not an event. We use for some time, then we get clean and it's not realistic to expect everything to return to normal in a few days. I'm here for you any way I can be and you're in my prayers. Just let me know how I can help you. God bless.

[dougy]

Can't believe how bad the crying is. Would a really like if someone would pray for me. My wife wants to call my pastor tonight at 10;pm I keep telling no I'll be fine. but I do need someone to pray with..

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by dougy

Can't believe how bad the crying is. Would a really like if someone would pray for me. My wife wants to call my pastor tonight at 10;pm I keep telling no I'll be fine. but I do need someone to pray with..

dougy ..... believe it or not I pray for every single person on this forum every day. That even includes the few people that think I have something against them. Some people get mad at me occasionally as I tend to tell it like it is. But I'm a very sincere Christian and I will include a special prayer for you tonight. That is a personal promise from me to you as your brother in Christ.

Stay in touch with me. God is there looking out for you I promise you. I have always been grateful for having the "hope" that comes from Him rather than all the answers. I've always been grateful for having the "mercy and grace" that comes from Him even though life doesn't always seem fair.

Don't use no matter what! Stay in touch with me over the next few days. I'll talk with you tomorrow and if you will send me your email address I will pray for you in an email and send it to you. Give me a chance to get to know you a little and I'll help you get through this. But know that I'm praying specifically for you tonight. And God always listens to my prayers. He's never let me down yet. God bless.

[Freedom4me]

Dougy,
Please don't feel embarassed at all for crying. It's such and emotional thing you are doing. Take it 10 minutes at a time. Take many, many hot baths. It really does help. Keep hydrated. It wil get better in a few days. Beleive it or not this is the easy part although it sure doesn't seem like it. You have to just bare down and bite the bullet. There is no easy fix and it is a reminder that will help you stay clean. I couldn't imagine ever going through that again. No way. Just take care of yourself like you have the flu. Exercise, however horendous it sounds will help you. You are stronger than you think you are my friend. Robert is a tremendous source of spiritual help. He is truly a man of God and I know for a fact he will pray for you. We all will. I hope when you close your eyes you will feel all of us holding you in our hearts. We have all been there to some degree or another. It will be so worth it in the end my friend.

[cferd]

The crying is normal, the oxy numbed you out and now your feelings are starting to come back. You will find a lot of help and support here.There are many caring people here that have been where your at right now. It always sounded too simple to me, but the phrase 'one day at a time' really helps when we use it. When your really feeling like ****, take it an hour at a time. By this time next week you'll be through the worst of it. I can't offer much advice, just some encouragement and support. You can do this dougy!

[bigboi15]

Dougy dont trip off the crying buddy. Im 6 foot 1 inch 230 lbs semi pro football player who didnt even cry at his moms funeral and this ******** had me balling the first couple days. It really messes with your emotions the first few days but if you let yourself know that it is only because your brain is healing and getting back to normal its not to bad. You would be surprised it doesnt take long at all for you to feel really happy off the pills. By day 6 you really start to feel very positive about the whole situation it you keep it in the right perspective.

[dougy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

dougy ..... believe it or not I pray for every single person on this forum every day. That even includes the few people that think I have something against them. Some people get mad at me occasionally as I tend to tell it like it is. But I'm a very sincere Christian and I will include a special prayer for you tonight. That is a personal promise from me to you as your brother in Christ.

Stay in touch with me. God is there looking out for you I promise you. I have always been grateful for having the "hope" that comes from Him rather than all the answers. I've always been grateful for having the "mercy and grace" that comes from Him even though life doesn't always seem fair.

Don't use no matter what! Stay in touch with me over the next few days. I'll talk with you tomorrow and if you will send me your email address I will pray for you in an email and send it to you. Give me a chance to get to know you a little and I'll help you get through this. But know that I'm praying specifically for you tonight. And God always listens to my prayers. He's never let me down yet. God bless.

Things are a littler more bearable today. I cried and prayed alot with my wife

I'm still crying while I type this what really hurt was my son seeing me cry don't know how to deal with that just yet
Still have trouble sleeping seem to moan and groan alot in my sleep The what for the perc is stilll there but non nearly as strong as was. The restless legs and body at night are bad real bad if I could get past those.
any God Bless you all I'll be praying for you.

[dougy]

I took a little bit of walk and hot bath did make me feel better for a few minutes's I'll take what I can get. I have had a lot of trouble eating in fact I haven't eating at all since sunday morning. It's be 21/2 days now since I last taking anything I don't have anymore klonopins but they again those where making me fell like a zomibe I have some ambiean that I'll use tonight.
Thanks Rob for all your help Your in my prayers to brother. I just hope I can hang in there. I have a good feeling I will be able too.

[Robert_325]

dougy ... you will make it this time. Just do what you know is right. We've been over this enough times. You know the process. I'm here for you buddy! God bless.

[cheekysod]

hi doug.
just saying hi.
each day its going to get better mate,
then you can cry with joy
and your son
can laugh with you

cheeky

[ARTIST658]

Hi Dougy,

Just wanted to post after reading through this thread to let you know you have another Christian praying for you, as well. I've been in your shoes, as many, many of us here have. There's no easy way through it, but toughing it out and reaching for that light at the end of the tunnel.

We simply don't see what the drugs are doing to us while we are taking them - and, once removed, suddenly, we are confronted with so many feelings - physical and emotional. Basically, your body has become used to the presence of the drugs -- and have relied on them to simply operate (and feel) "normal." So there is a time of adjustment now, free of the drugs, when your body, brain and emotions are healing. This is normal - this will pass.

Each day should get a little bit better - so glad you have support at home, as that is such a blessing. Keep posting here; it not only helps you, but helps so many others who are struggling in silence.

God bless you, you're in my prayers, Dougy,
Ruth

[dougy]

today wasn't so good I'm not sure if it's w/d or depression that im sinking into I haven't eaten since sunday. I have take the hot baths and long walks wich help I still can't seem to stop crying at the drop of pin..
My urge for the pills are not as strong as I thought they would be thank God for that for now. God bless you all.

[dougy]

Originally Posted by ARTIST658

Hi Dougy,

Just wanted to post after reading through this thread to let you know you have another Christian praying for you, as well. I've been in your shoes, as many, many of us here have. There's no easy way through it, but toughing it out and reaching for that light at the end of the tunnel.

We simply don't see what the drugs are doing to us while we are taking them - and, once removed, suddenly, we are confronted with so many feelings - physical and emotional. Basically, your body has become used to the presence of the drugs -- and have relied on them to simply operate (and feel) "normal." So there is a time of adjustment now, free of the drugs, when your body, brain and emotions are healing. This is normal - this will pass.

Each day should get a little bit better - so glad you have support at home, as that is such a blessing. Keep posting here; it not only helps you, but helps so many others who are struggling in silence.

God bless you, you're in my prayers, Dougy,
Ruth

I really wish I had someone I could talk to in person though. I'm so nervous about calling my pastor. I feel so bad for my wife and kids and want I did to them. I was under a dr cares and instead of just following the script 1 tab 4 day I startded taken 2 at a time 5 times a day run out then I would have a my Brother go get me some on the street.
Now I"m here crying and feeling like im fighting for my life and losing my mind.
thank you so much for all the help you guys have giving me
I finally went out and got the L-tyrosine I got something else before . L-Ly something so watch out anyone else

How long will this last?? How long will this feeling last? emotions stomach upsets feeling of being lost..

[dougy]

well here I am almost 2;30 am I'm feeling lots better lots lot better still crying for uknown reason once in while but less then before.4 DAYS NOW
Reading the Bible and trying to find wisdom in johnny cash music. Can't believe I made this this far, but happy I have.. so today I'm wearing black. for all the ones who haven't made it. God be with us.

[cheekysod]

a song from the smiths.
way back.

i wear black on the outside, cause black is how i feel on the inside.

get some colour matey.
its all good, in the rainbow.

[dougy]

Just want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving for those on this board from the States and Thanks to all of you who have supported me. I took my last 45mg of oxy on sunday morning and been clean since.
It's a been a very emotional ride for me more then I thought it would be. Never realized how much family and friends and faith in Jesus means in times like these
I feel a little better today been napping on off throughout the day took a walk and it was quite chilly here then took hot shower that was better then any sleep aid could of been.
I told my 89 year old Aunt about what i'm going through she held my hand prayed and told me son , Life is nothing more then trials and tribulations one after another we get through one problem or tribulation as she put it. We are faced with another. Some more difficult to deal with then others but we manage we somehow always manage. She told me after I get through this I'll have to face another one. I thought geez thanks Auntie But I seen where she was coming from and she told me never ever lose faith in God never what ever you do never lose your faith. He's the one Rock that will be right where you need it to be to lean on when you can't stand on your own dealing with your problems. It has saved many mans lives.
So that is my Thanksgiving message to all of you.
What ever you do never ever lose your faith even if you slide back down this this slippery drug induced hill. Never ever lose your FAITH. He'll be that rock you need to put your foot on or grab on to get back up. That rock won't move and it will be in that right spot right where you need it to be.
God Bless and keep up the good fight.

[Robert_325]

dougy ..... I received your email today. I trust you've received my reply. Answer my reply ASAP and by tomorrow we'll have a chance to talk more. Hang in there buddy! God bless.

[ARTIST658]

Hey Dougy,

How's it going? I'm glad to see you're corresponding with Robert by email, as I know you'll benefit tremendously through his support. Looks to me like today marks one week clean - am I right??? Post when you get the chance, as others are following along - and praying for you, as I am.

God bless you in your journey,
Ruth

[dougy]

Originally Posted by ARTIST658

Hey Dougy,

How's it going? I'm glad to see you're corresponding with Robert by email, as I know you'll benefit tremendously through his support. Looks to me like today marks one week clean - am I right??? Post when you get the chance, as others are following along - and praying for you, as I am.

God bless you in your journey,
Ruth

Thank you so much. Yes it was last week today I stopped taking. Just knowing that Robert and guys like you are out there with a sincere concern for me and others is so much of a help. I honestly feel that this forum and others has had to have save thousands of lives and families.
I'm feeling pretty good to. Just can't sleep I think I have slept 5 hours since last Tuesday I think I have that RLS my lower body is really jumpy and jitters
And the energy is hard to find I think that has more to do with lack of sleep then anything else though I think If I could get just 5 hours of straight sleep I would feel like Million bucks. I'm going to try and make it to church today but if I can sleep I'll do that instead. The Cravings are not that bad. My cravings for a Cigarette were stronger when I quit those. The first few days are bad really bad
Here's a little story Friday Night a friend of my wife who she hasn't talked in a very long time called. The first thing she asked my wife is the family ok God told her call and make sure things were ok. The women works for the Mayo Clinic and her Husband is Professor with a christian Collage. Very religous and good people. My wife told her everything that has happen and my wife was having a hard time with this. That phone call gave my wife a so much hope you could see it her eye's she cried a lot the phone she really opened up. Her friend told her more then once to during the conversation that God kept telling her to call. This has taking just as much toll on my wife as it has me. I honestly think that it's going to make us stronger if we get through and she can love me care for me after what I did. I know we can overcome most anything.
Well thanks for your prayers and concern I will keep posting..
God Bless.

[dougy]

Well it's been 7 days since my last use. I would just like little info. I'm still have a terrible time sleeping is there anything that I can do that might give me a few hours of sleep.
It's really starting to take it's toll on me. I only sleep couple of hours of day and thats only in the morning say from 10 am to around 12pm then I"m up all day and night till morn again.
I've tried melotonin, advil pm , benydryl and ambiein which usually knocks me out. but now it seem's like its keeping me awake. I am starting to run very short on energy. I force my self to walk a mile today witch I have to admit did make me feel better,but very very worn out.. Now I'm just worried I won't be able to sleep again tonight. I'll take any suggestions.

[Robert_325]

dougy .... as long as you just do it for a day or two even if you take a valium or other benzo, a soma, whatever. It won't hurt if you only do it short term. Even the Thomas Recipe calls for valium for four days.

I don't advocate taking drugs while you're trying to get clean. This is just something for you to consider and I think it would be okay for a couple days or so. Monday is a work day and some sleep would help you. God bless.

[dougy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

dougy .... as long as you just do it for a day or two even if you take a valium or other benzo, a soma, whatever. It won't hurt if you only do it short term. Even the Thomas Recipe calls for valium for four days.

I don't advocate taking drugs while you're trying to get clean. This is just something for you to consider and I think it would be okay for a couple days or so. Monday is a work day and some sleep would help you. God bless.

My Brother has some pills called Tazadine or Tazodone something like that He said they would help me sleep but i'm really worried about taking anything.
I know he has Benzos he would give me . I might just have to ask him for a few more to sleep. The lack of sleep is putting me into a depression I think. I just feel if I slept for more then just 2 hours I would feel so much better. I will say one thing feeling so ************ for so long makes me not want to take the opiods even more. I sure don't want to have to go through this again. lol
Thanks alot friend and God Bless.

[Robert_325]

He's talking about Trazodone. They may help you or the benzos either one. If you go with trazodone keep it under 100mg, take 50mg at a time. Just take a small dose of either and only do it for 2-3 days. Don't get hung up taking them more than that. But you do need some sleep and I don't think anyone should have to suffer more than necessary. God bless.

[dougy]

Well I would just like to say pretty much done with my 7th day heading into my 8th And I feel better now than I have in very long time.
I tell my self I feel better now then I did in year, but then I get the runs the shaky legs and the little bit of Depression sets in.. Then I start to exercise I have to say EXERCISE IS THE MOST THAT HAS HELPED ME.
Anyone considering going CT like I did you must force yourself to move and get outside and it's not easy trying to exercise when your in W/D is not easy but you have to do it.
Being able to sleep is still a big problem. I had a bad night last night. couldn't sleep. took some meds didn't help.. Then about 5am I start to throw up. mostly water, been drinking a lot of water. No idea why I started to throw up. could of been the meds no sleep stressed out don't really know.
About 7;30 am I feel asleep and slept good deep sleep till almost 1pm so I got my sleep. and it did make me feel better. Better appetite more energy willing to walk that extra block in the cold here.
Anyways it's almost 12am here Tuesday probably another long night but I feel a bit different more tired more sleepy tired then i have in while so I hope than translate into a good nights sleep or just a few good hours anyway.
My dream To go to bed at 3am and wake up and 8am. to see my kids off to school. I know it's going to happen I just know it. Maybe not tomorrow but soon I can feel it.
God Bless and Take care.
You never really know how much you have to live for until your about to lose it all.

[dougy]

I Had a bad night last night didn't fall alseep till almost 11am this morning then woke up about 3pm sounds like a I got 4 hours of sleep but I'm a mess till I fall asleep.
When I lay in bed my legs get twitchy and restless and then most of my body get that way. I even dreamed of buying pills and was happy that I did. but I know it was only a dream but still mess's with my head some.
Does anyone have any way or idea I might be able to get my legs to calm down.
I walk take hot baths and tried many sleep aids.
Does anyone know how long this might last? I'm into my 9 day of being.

[Robert_325]

Did you try the Trazodone or benzo? Again I'm not advocating using drugs but you need some sleep. Even the Thomas Recipe calls for valium for four days. If you just did it for a night or two to help you get some sleep it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Just don't give up before the miracle happens and use the opiates again. You're so close. But you don't have to be a martyr. You said yesterday that you could get something to help you sleep. I don't think it would be that bad for you to do. Stay in touch. God bless.

[dougy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Did you try the Trazodone or benzo? Again I'm not advocating using drugs but you need some sleep. Even the Thomas Recipe calls for valium for four days. If you just did it for a night or two to help you get some sleep it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Just don't give up before the miracle happens and use the opiates again. You're so close. But you don't have to be a martyr. You said yesterday that you could get something to help you sleep. I don't think it would be that bad for you to do. Stay in touch. God bless.

Yes I took some Seroquel and it made me extremely drowsy slept for about 10 mins woke up and was mess after that. I'll never touch that stuff again. I'm at my wits end but I'm not going to use again. I'm not going through this again ever. No way. I'll go to my DR to help me, but I keep telling my self I'll never go through this again.