[LucyGoose]

Hello fellow members .I wanted to start a new thread today as hopefully today is going to be the start of the new me. My last posts were on a thread of Robert's just this morning. If you can find it, will let you know where I am walking now.

I like all of you have come here for support, help, advice, patience, understanding and just a safe place to talk.

I read here everyday, with amazement of the enormity of such compassionate people. Robert, Melinda, and Longroad, I could go on forever right!

I would like to let you know how I progress, and with any luck hopefully my experiences will help someone too.

Thanks again Robert for sending me that thread from ,Cheryl Icandoit and her road to recovery. I admit it does scare me some, I know this isn't a walk in the park but I know you and others are there if I need you.
Well it's time to go and it's an hr drive, and it's not the best time in the day for me, just going to suck it up Bye for now

[TTTDogs]

Lucy,

You have made a courageous step to post here - and to meet with your Dr to start your recovery process - you will soon realize how HUGE that is - Good For YOU!! You have come to the right place - I am clean 19 days today YEA ME! and I can tell you I could not have done it without the support of this forum - life savers - that is what these folks are!...... compassionate, understanding , supportive and caring individuals - YOU CAN SO THIS - We are HERE FOR YOU!

Ley us know how it goes and keep posting keep posting, keep posting!

HUGS TTT my thread is Escaping the morphine prison...... for some late night reading..........................

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
I wanted to put up some of your history so everyone will know what your going thru...I hope that was OK...I took your post to Robert and put it here...
Well be here for you just let us know how you are doing ???
Talk to you soon, Melinda


After too many delays and postponements on the Dr.'s part and on mine, tomorrow I finally have app t Oct 30 to see a Dr.(psychiatrist) to begin Oxy to Suboxone. He was the one who suggested the Subs, but way over prescribed
After I found this site, and you, and your Induction, tapering method, I brought it back to him. I expected him to be offended questioning his knowledge etc. but amazingly he was quite impressed and on board. WOW. He is acknowledged for addictions but I think his only info re Suboxone is typically from drug manufacturers, not real life His only requirement was that I did it as in patient. 2-3wks. Not just to deal with the Subs, but he felt that my depression was not simply from the Oxy, that I had 'issues'. hmmmm.
For many reasons and responsibilities, it is not an easy thing for me to just close up life and go in there. and also maybe I was afraid he was right. Maybe I am crazy. But until I am off Oxy and then the Subs I really won't know will I.
I am confident that I will succeed kicking it all. When I first saw him in June I was on 120mg a day but on my own have managed to taper to 100mg, I tried 80 and didn't last.
The underlying Pain I think I will manage. it's taken me awhile to realize the diff between it and the pain and body aches that come from the Oxy - when I am in need of a dose.and the aches from CFS. Along with my spinal\damaged nerve difficulties my biggest fight is CFS. Unless you have it, it's hard to get anyone to really understand what complete and total exhaustion is. Fatigued down to the bone ! So dam tired can't even keep my eyes open.fall asleep sitting up, where you can't lift a muscle and every part of your body aches. I will have months on end where everyday by 2-3pm I crash for several hrs, and then after, I feel like a dishrag and the rest of the day has been wasted too. But fortunately I have good periods too. and then I go like hell to catch up on life and all the things I missed.
What I am getting at is that, yes I want to be off the Oxy and be able to get my head back together and rid of all the a other side effects, but I will still always have the CFS, at least with the Oxy it gave me some semblance of life with energy. Alot of the effects that Oxy have are also contributed to CFS, ie depression, cognitive and more, so again until I kick it I won't know.

Not sure when he wants to start this. and I only want to stay in there max 2wks. I am hoping that I can stabilize at 6mg. but doing the math, there is no way I am staying until taper is done.
Another big problem is that my drug plan has just capped, not eligible till Jan 2010, Subs would be free in hospital but after the 2wks would be out of pocket and I just can't do it. And he hasn't yet agreed to supply me with a RX of it, initially he said I would have to go to my Pharmacy daily for my dose. I live way out in 'boonies' and my fatigue often makes me unable to go out, or drive. And having Xmas creeping up factors into too.

Wish me luck tomorrow. I'll stay on here to post my progress and to rely on the great support from all the great caring members on here too. God bless u all
THANKS and SORRY ABOUT RAMBLING ON

[gordoheli]

I know what CFS is, had mono when I was 19. It got a little better after a year and a half and then stabilized at a low symptom. It returned with a vengence 25 yrs Later, it sucks. I get hot burning skin from m ine, and then a WD sickness for me would be a bummer.

I wish you luck and a prayer, get by on as little as you can but I know how bad the CFS can be!!

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Lucy
I wanted to put up some of your history so everyone will know what your going thru...I hope that was OK...I took your post to Robert and put it here...
Well be here for you just let us know how you are doing ???
Talk to you soon, Melinda


After too many delays and postponements on the Dr.'s part and on mine, tomorrow I finally have app t Oct 30 to see a Dr.(psychiatrist) to begin Oxy to Suboxone. He was the one who suggested the Subs, but way over prescribed
After I found this site, and you, and your Induction, tapering method, I brought it back to him. I expected him to be offended questioning his knowledge etc. but amazingly he was quite impressed and on board. WOW. He is acknowledged for addictions but I think his only info re Suboxone is typically from drug manufacturers, not real life His only requirement was that I did it as in patient. 2-3wks. Not just to deal with the Subs, but he felt that my depression was not simply from the Oxy, that I had 'issues'. hmmmm.
For many reasons and responsibilities, it is not an easy thing for me to just close up life and go in there. and also maybe I was afraid he was right. Maybe I am crazy. But until I am off Oxy and then the Subs I really won't know will I.
I am confident that I will succeed kicking it all. When I first saw him in June I was on 120mg a day but on my own have managed to taper to 100mg, I tried 80 and didn't last.
The underlying Pain I think I will manage. it's taken me awhile to realize the diff between it and the pain and body aches that come from the Oxy - when I am in need of a dose.and the aches from CFS. Along with my spinal\damaged nerve difficulties my biggest fight is CFS. Unless you have it, it's hard to get anyone to really understand what complete and total exhaustion is. Fatigued down to the bone ! So dam tired can't even keep my eyes open.fall asleep sitting up, where you can't lift a muscle and every part of your body aches. I will have months on end where everyday by 2-3pm I crash for several hrs, and then after, I feel like a dishrag and the rest of the day has been wasted too. But fortunately I have good periods too. and then I go like hell to catch up on life and all the things I missed.
What I am getting at is that, yes I want to be off the Oxy and be able to get my head back together and rid of all the a other side effects, but I will still always have the CFS, at least with the Oxy it gave me some semblance of life with energy. Alot of the effects that Oxy have are also contributed to CFS, ie depression, cognitive and more, so again until I kick it I won't know.

Not sure when he wants to start this. and I only want to stay in there max 2wks. I am hoping that I can stabilize at 6mg. but doing the math, there is no way I am staying until taper is done.
Another big problem is that my drug plan has just capped, not eligible till Jan 2010, Subs would be free in hospital but after the 2wks would be out of pocket and I just can't do it. And he hasn't yet agreed to supply me with a RX of it, initially he said I would have to go to my Pharmacy daily for my dose. I live way out in 'boonies' and my fatigue often makes me unable to go out, or drive. And having Xmas creeping up factors into too.

Wish me luck tomorrow. I'll stay on here to post my progress and to rely on the great support from all the great caring members on here too. God bless u all
THANKS and SORRY ABOUT RAMBLING ON

Hi Melinda , I didn't mind at all thank you .

quick question.. I am not very good at navigating around here. How do I add to my new thread -Look out here comes Lucy Goose ? as I had said I want to add to it daily. Do I just click on Quote at the bottom of my last entry ?

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
you just go down and hit post reply...and write all you want...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by TTTDogs

Lucy,

You have made a courageous step to post here - and to meet with your Dr to start your recovery process - you will soon realize how HUGE that is - Good For YOU!! You have come to the right place - I am clean 19 days today YEA ME! and I can tell you I could not have done it without the support of this forum - life savers - that is what these folks are!...... compassionate, understanding , supportive and caring individuals - YOU CAN SO THIS - We are HERE FOR YOU!

Ley us know how it goes and keep posting keep posting, keep posting!

HUGS TTT my thread is Escaping the morphine prison...... for some late night reading..........................

Congrats to you on your success ,keep it up! I will open your thread tomorrow just way to pooped right now, but wanted to
say thanks.

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Lucy
you just go down and hit post reply...and write all you want...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Hi Melinda...I feel so stupid ! before I read your answer, last night I poured my heart out about my disastrous day yesterday, it was titled : Deflated but not Defeated. I had gone up (not down ) and clicked on at the top of my last post where it says Post and now it seems to be gone .into cyberspace. I am so sad about it too. Do you think you can find it.lost in cyberspace. LucyGoose

p.s. I should fess up LucyGoose is the name of one of my dogs, a beautiful Husky sheppard she is my baby.
my name is Darlene. feel free to use it

[melinda7.5]

Hi Darlene
I have lost a few of my post's also I have never found a way to get them back...Sorry you had a bad day yestarday...it seems like when ever we try to get clean things pop up to challenge us as if we didn't have enough going on in the first place...I hope you have a better day today...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by LucyGoose

Hi Melinda...I feel so stupid ! before I read your answer, last night I poured my heart out about my disastrous day yesterday, it was titled : Deflated but not Defeated. I had gone up (not down ) and clicked on at the top of my last post where it says Post and now it seems to be gone .into cyberspace. I am so sad about it too. Do you think you can find it.lost in cyberspace. LucyGoose

p.s. I should fess up LucyGoose is the name of one of my dogs, a beautiful Husky sheppard she is my baby.
my name is Darlene. feel free to use it

Darlene ... tell us how it went during the induction with your dr. How much suboxone did you end up taking for the day and how much is he having you take daily as you go forward? God bless.

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Darlene ... tell us how it went during the induction with your dr. How much suboxone did you end up taking for the day and how much is he having you take daily as you go forward? God bless.

Hmmm ! where do I begin ? I had written Friday nite, but lost in posting I was 'Deflated but not Defeated.'
I have been all weekend reflecting on just what did really happen.
Still not clear. From the moment I arrived it was weird, it was if he was upset with me or something ???
I started by telling him that I had only taken his prescribed Cymbalta for 2 days, quit cause it made me violently ill. Then that I had canceled his arranged appt (with another on staff DR.) for a Cortisone shot. - after researching I felt it was not for me, more for Sciatic pain which is not what I suffer from, other medical reasons too, and it was scheduled for the procedure not even a consult. so no ! That's when he started ' so you read on the internet and now you are the specialist ' ' you just decide to self medicate'

I had faxed him, prior to this visit a letter admitting to him that I was now ready to accept that, my depression I had believed to be from the Oxy , was as he had said, also from "unresolved issues in my past" and that maybe yes it would be a good opportunity to do the induction in his ward ,where I would also have available a team of shrinks.

I had just experienced such black black pit of depression.and I have only had this happened twice before in my life, and it scared the hell out of me. I wanted help, and off the Oxy. He had wanted me to be an In Patient for 3wks. I had asked you Robert if that was necessary for induction and you had said No. So I now thought Ok if would still agree, I will do it for 1wk.

Prior he had agreed to your induction and tapering method with minor adjustments, re. longer times between tapers. I reminded of it, but said that after reading more, I understood it now better, than I had when I presented it to him, and had questions for him, to make sure we were on the same page with all of it. I stood and placed my printout of it on his desk, to address the highlighted parts I wanted to talk about.
WOW, bad move I immediately sensed , I had crossed or violated some Dr.\ Patient role. The COWS sheet was there too. He only glance at it all, raised his brows and sorta dismissed them and me. I sat back down.
He asked me then, did I always have such control issues, was I always this angry and confrontational ? I was totally blown away, where was he coming from, I honestly didn't understand or feel I was any of these thing, at least not in a negative way. But he kept at me. Did I have problems in my past with authority?. I said the only one I had ever had was with my parents at 15. (doesn't ever teenager.) and that I had left home, it was the worst decision I had made in my life , it had had monumental effects, and yes to this day I live with the guilt of the pain I caused my parents. He jumped on this like a barracuda! He had me crying and so rattled.
Kept asking me why I was so angry with him ? I wasn't aware that I was
Then also explained that the Montford Hospital, had now changed Sept 1 it's mandate and that only the Francaphones would come there and than English would go to the Royal Ottawa. But that he could still see me as Out Patient , I would have to come there (over an hr drive) everyday for a week. Next problem being that because of the H1N1 outbreak, just that aft, he had notice that effective Nov 9, Mental Health ward would be closed for 8wks,he was now having to make arrangements at the local Community centers to treat his patients.
Thinking about it now I wonder if this is what had him acting so different. Was he worried about his patients or his paycheck?
Next, he said he'd always had success with his addiction patients using Suboxone, but it was how he said it. It's hard right now for me to remember all of this, he had me so confused and upset.. Basically who was I to question his knowledge, about his qualifications, again about my trying to be in control, my researching on the internet, on and on, we had to work together as a team , and wasn't sure if we could if I couldn't admit I was angry ? He said yes he was annoyed with me, but only because I had such an attitude.??
Oh and then said he wanted me to try the Cymbalta again at a lower dose. I agreed to ,just to shut him up, but not going to.
2 hrs of this ! I just wanted to run.
This was not the best time of the day for me to start off with, I typically have to sleep or I crash with fatigue by 3pm, and it was already after 4:30. Worried, before the appt, about timing being a problem and having to drive in, I confess to taking 2 Oxycocet when I left home at 2pm, and 1 of my 2 Oxycontin taken usually at 5-6pm, just to make sure I 'd make it , I know that was stupid, but I wanted this so badly.
SO as it now stands I am to just let things ride till beginning of Jan. go on Cymbalta ,try to think about why I am so assertive, about control and my inner anger. and then we will discuss my induction. Oh and in the meantime I should call the Royal Ottawa and ask how long their waiting time is.
AAAAAGGGGHHH. If I wasn't angry before I am NOW.

Friday night is mostly a blurr.and did take 1 more Oxy. Saturday was not a good day,I ached all over and slept thru most of it. Oxycocet (on Fri) always feels good quickly at the time, but I always feel like a wrung out dishrag the next day. then Halloween with 2 sick grandkids)Today however I know I am back in the game !
I will start off with seeing my own Dr. (not the shrink), and see if she can get me a referral to one at the Royal ( I had seen one there 2 yrs ago) Funny but sad thing about that is, that Dr. had told me then to immediately get off the Oxy it was my only problem, I didn't believe him that the Oxy caused this depression and was not prepared to face the pain with out it. If only I had listened....
So if I can get one I want to go ahead with this now, the induction, before Xmas (my son would come here and stay with me God love him ) Then I can start the tapering

Robert do you think I should wait til after the craziness of Xmas is over ????? I am not changing my mind or trying to procrastinate. Another thing is that my health insurance cap, has run out and would not begin again until Jan 1. I have no idea how much Suboxone costs either. But I will find the money if I have to. I am worth it ...at least God thinks so
again I have wrote an entire novel sorry all. sometimes it really just helps to get it all out.
I

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by LucyGoose

Hmmm ! where do I begin ? I had written Friday nite, but lost in posting I was 'Deflated but not Defeated.'
I have been all weekend reflecting on just what did really happen.
Still not clear. From the moment I arrived it was weird, it was if he was upset with me or something ???
I started by telling him that I had only taken his prescribed Cymbalta for 2 days, quit cause it made me violently ill. Then that I had canceled his arranged appt (with another on staff DR.) for a Cortisone shot. - after researching I felt it was not for me, more for Sciatic pain which is not what I suffer from, other medical reasons too, and it was scheduled for the procedure not even a consult. so no ! That's when he started ' so you read on the internet and now you are the specialist ' ' you just decide to self medicate'

I had faxed him, prior to this visit a letter admitting to him that I was now ready to accept that, my depression I had believed to be from the Oxy , was as he had said, also from "unresolved issues in my past" and that maybe yes it would be a good opportunity to do the induction in his ward ,where I would also have available a team of shrinks.

I had just experienced such black black pit of depression.and I have only had this happened twice before in my life, and it scared the hell out of me. I wanted help, and off the Oxy. He had wanted me to be an In Patient for 3wks. I had asked you Robert if that was necessary for induction and you had said No. So I now thought Ok if would still agree, I will do it for 1wk.

Prior he had agreed to your induction and tapering method with minor adjustments, re. longer times between tapers. I reminded of it, but said that after reading more, I understood it now better, than I had when I presented it to him, and had questions for him, to make sure we were on the same page with all of it. I stood and placed my printout of it on his desk, to address the highlighted parts I wanted to talk about.
WOW, bad move I immediately sensed , I had crossed or violated some Dr.\ Patient role. The COWS sheet was there too. He only glance at it all, raised his brows and sorta dismissed them and me. I sat back down.
He asked me then, did I always have such control issues, was I always this angry and confrontational ? I was totally blown away, where was he coming from, I honestly didn't understand or feel I was any of these thing, at least not in a negative way. But he kept at me. Did I have problems in my past with authority?. I said the only one I had ever had was with my parents at 15. (doesn't ever teenager.) and that I had left home, it was the worst decision I had made in my life , it had had monumental effects, and yes to this day I live with the guilt of the pain I caused my parents. He jumped on this like a barracuda! He had me crying and so rattled.
Kept asking me why I was so angry with him ? I wasn't aware that I was
Then also explained that the Montford Hospital, had now changed Sept 1 it's mandate and that only the Francaphones would come there and than English would go to the Royal Ottawa. But that he could still see me as Out Patient , I would have to come there (over an hr drive) everyday for a week. Next problem being that because of the H1N1 outbreak, just that aft, he had notice that effective Nov 9, Mental Health ward would be closed for 8wks,he was now having to make arrangements at the local Community centers to treat his patients.
Thinking about it now I wonder if this is what had him acting so different. Was he worried about his patients or his paycheck?
Next, he said he'd always had success with his addiction patients using Suboxone, but it was how he said it. It's hard right now for me to remember all of this, he had me so confused and upset.. Basically who was I to question his knowledge, about his qualifications, again about my trying to be in control, my researching on the internet, on and on, we had to work together as a team , and wasn't sure if we could if I couldn't admit I was angry ? He said yes he was annoyed with me, but only because I had such an attitude.??
Oh and then said he wanted me to try the Cymbalta again at a lower dose. I agreed to ,just to shut him up, but not going to.
2 hrs of this ! I just wanted to run.
This was not the best time of the day for me to start off with, I typically have to sleep or I crash with fatigue by 3pm, and it was already after 4:30. Worried, before the appt, about timing being a problem and having to drive in, I confess to taking 2 Oxycocet when I left home at 2pm, and 1 of my 2 Oxycontin taken usually at 5-6pm, just to make sure I 'd make it , I know that was stupid, but I wanted this so badly.
SO as it now stands I am to just let things ride till beginning of Jan. go on Cymbalta ,try to think about why I am so assertive, about control and my inner anger. and then we will discuss my induction. Oh and in the meantime I should call the Royal Ottawa and ask how long their waiting time is.
AAAAAGGGGHHH. If I wasn't angry before I am NOW.

Friday night is mostly a blurr.and did take 1 more Oxy. Saturday was not a good day,I ached all over and slept thru most of it. Oxycocet (on Fri) always feels good quickly at the time, but I always feel like a wrung out dishrag the next day. then Halloween with 2 sick grandkids)Today however I know I am back in the game !
I will start off with seeing my own Dr. (not the shrink), and see if she can get me a referral to one at the Royal ( I had seen one there 2 yrs ago) Funny but sad thing about that is, that Dr. had told me then to immediately get off the Oxy it was my only problem, I didn't believe him that the Oxy caused this depression and was not prepared to face the pain with out it. If only I had listened....
So if I can get one I want to go ahead with this now, the induction, before Xmas (my son would come here and stay with me God love him ) Then I can start the tapering

Robert do you think I should wait til after the craziness of Xmas is over ????? I am not changing my mind or trying to procrastinate. Another thing is that my health insurance cap, has run out and would not begin again until Jan 1. I have no idea how much Suboxone costs either. But I will find the money if I have to. I am worth it ...at least God thinks so
again I have wrote an entire novel sorry all. sometimes it really just helps to get it all out.
I

What about this Thomas recipe ? If... I can't get a Dr to start me on the Suboxone, should try Thomas ?
I have looked at it, it does sound complicated but a lot shorter. Without having anyone at home to help me manage ie: house, animals not sure if it is do-able for me, and is it as successful as using Subs ? Appreciate any in put. TKs

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
There have been a lot of people on here that have had great success with the Thomas recipe...It really has to be what you want to do we will be here for you what ever you decide...just keep us posted and well have your back.
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Lucy
There have been a lot of people on here that have had great success with the Thomas recipe...It really has to be what you want to do we will be here for you what ever you decide...just keep us posted and well have your back.
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Tks, Melinda, I am reading more posts from others to help make the decision. as you know I had thought the Suboxone plan was all set and ready to go, a big setback and disappointment but I still want to be free. Kinda scared doing the Thomas, way out here alone, so thinking if my son could come and stay, I may try . Not sure. Thant dam shrink sure screwed up my head last week ! Will let you know Tks again

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by LucyGoose

Tks, Melinda, I am reading more posts from others to help make the decision. as you know I had thought the Suboxone plan was all set and ready to go, a big setback and disappointment but I still want to be free. Kinda scared doing the Thomas, way out here alone, so thinking if my son could come and stay, I may try . Not sure. Thant dam shrink sure screwed up my head last week ! Will let you know Tks again

Morning all.
I haven't been on to post since I posted about horrible appt with the Dr.(shrink) who WAS to start me on Robert's plan for w/d Oxy with suboxone . (It's all recapped below) . Been in flare up of my symptoms and battling a mild flu, and\or avoiding making decisions, my head going in circles, he really shook up my world -as I was looking at it.
I was very upset and angry with him when I wrote , felt he was totally wrong. and suddenly ...I realized he was right on sooo many levels.
But how it is going to affect what I do about getting free and what I do about it I have a lot to think about. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
As said I still want to be free, but now how? Not ashamed to swallow my pride and crawl back to him, but I honestly don't think we can work together. He can't start me till mid Jan. or even later as an 'outpatient' the logistics alone are a big problem for me, and actually would have more help and support just from everyone here !
But I don't know who or how else I can get the Suboxone ? Seeing my regular Dr. next week and ask her . Dr. Shrink had suggested going to the Royal Ottawa -Mental Health Hospital. I am going to look into it, I had been seen there 2 yrs ago , that may help to allow me to see someone there sooner, hope so.
In the meantime, I am not proud of myself I have slipped back to full 120mg daily (and a couple of percocets too) from 80 -100. so easy to have pity parties ! But NOT anymore, am back on track. I promise myself to post and journal daily to keep me honest. It feels like family here, and gives me another reason to make it. thanks

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
You will find a way, we can tell how bad you want this... you can google subutex and put in your zip code and get a list of doctors in your area that can help you. just do the best you can do each day try to taper down till you can get the help you need...and if you need help we can find a doctor in your area...things will get better for you...there is a light at the end of the tunnel...
keep us updated on how things are going for you...
talk to you soon, Melinda

[LucyGoose]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Lucy
You will find a way, we can tell how bad you want this... you can google subutex and put in your zip code and get a list of doctors in your area that can help you. just do the best you can do each day try to taper down till you can get the help you need...and if you need help we can find a doctor in your area...things will get better for you...there is a light at the end of the tunnel...
keep us updated on how things are going for you...
talk to you soon, Melinda

Morning Melinda. -not sure what time you have, I am in Ontario, Canada and it's 10am -and yuk it is also snowing !
It confused me when I read this thread said posted yesterday, now I get it.
I did google and spent hrs lastnight sorting thru sites. So far all come up as in the US . except for one site recoveredlife.com saying it is 100% outpatient but doesn't say if in Canada. I did contact by email and will wait . Have you heard of them ?
Today no matter what, I am going back to tapering from 6x 20mg to 5x 20mg. I know it is likely I will feel like I was run over by a truck, because of stupidly going back to full and more of my dose of Oxy, but hey.. no pain no gain !
Will keep you and Robert posted . Enjoy your sunshine

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
there is a way to get subs in canada...im on my way out the door...I will get back to you on where to go...Im in seattle...and it's raining ...
have a great day, Melinda

[LucyGoose]

Hi Melinda, been down with the a flu bug and haven't been on to keep up. Basically life is on hold till my next appt Nov 21,with my family Dr. to see if I she can refer me to a Dr. at the Royal Ottawa to take me in either as an in or out patient, licensed for Suboxone therapy. I am confident that she can, but the problem will be how long is their waiting period. Given all the cutbacks, I've heard could be up to 6mons! I am not willing to wait that long , so hope she can pull some strings. I was an outpatient there a few years ago, maybe that will help. I'll let you know . Take care of yourself

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by LucyGoose

Hi Melinda, been down with the a flu bug and haven't been on to keep up. Basically life is on hold till my next appt Nov 21,with my family Dr. to see if I she can refer me to a Dr. at the Royal Ottawa to take me in either as an in or out patient, licensed for Suboxone therapy. I am confident that she can, but the problem will be how long is their waiting period. Given all the cutbacks, I've heard could be up to 6mons! I am not willing to wait that long , so hope she can pull some strings. I was an outpatient there a few years ago, maybe that will help. I'll let you know . Take care of yourself

Hi Lucy
when Robert gets back I will find out what he knows about getting subs in canada...hope all is well with you...
Melinda

[Robert_325]

Lucy ..... suboxone/subutex (buprenorphine) is available in Canada, it has been for a good while now, and I am including a link to follow that will help you in Ottawa and throughout Canada. Of course I don't know about any waiting periods in Canada but I haven't heard anything specific to make me think there will be a problem.

Please kindly update me with any appropriate information you find as I receive LOTS of questions from Canada. I have had lots of people post on the forum from Canada for a long time. I try to give them all the info I have, but I don't get a lot of feedback in responses.

I would sincerely appreciate it if you would take the time to let me know the value of the information I'm posting here. I have additional info as well. It really would help me in providing other Canadians with the correct answers when they ask. I thank you in advance for anything you can share with me about my link I'm providing you.

It's upsetting actually that I just don't get the replies I'm asking for so I know if posting this information is good or a waste of my time since I'm not there. Hope it helps. Thanks and God bless.

The following link provides all kinds of information for both subs and methadone all over Canada with the applicable regulations that pertain to specific situations. The link is loaded with contact information, names, numbers, etc. Hope it helps and I look forward to hearing back from you. God bless.

http://www.indro-online.de/canada.htm

[LucyGoose]

Still learning how to properly use the posts etc. hmmm. Can anyone tell me, when I click open my thread, alllll of my posts right from the beginning appear and i have to scroll down forever to get to the last entry. How, or can I delete them not to show.??? Old dog new tricks ha ha

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
If you go to your thread, I will be the last one that posted...there is a little box next to my name if you click on it ,,,it will even say go to last post just click on it...it will bring you where you want to go...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[LucyGoose]

I will do my best to forward you any useful information I get re: Suboxone treatment here in Canada. I did follow the link you posted, and it referenced Treatment Services in Canada. Their website is not operational. Email address was , so I email on Nov 12 with a request for information and help, with no reply as of yet. I will phone on Monday, it's in downtown Ottawa , only 45min away.
Not sure if it's the same in States as here. If you are already registered with one GP you may not use the services of a new one until signing off from 1st. Unless of course he\she is a specialist your Dr. refers you to. ie Pain Specialist, Phyciatrist etc. and as known Suboxone can only be dispensed daily not given a prescrption, here by a Dr. licensed to do so. I think given these restrictions, it appears that thru a clinic or hospital is usually the route being as either and in or out patient. It's here for us, but so limitied space\Dr. for so many that wait times to be seen is crazy. I hope that I am wrong. Will keep you posted. Take Care and God Bless

[LucyGoose]

Hi Robert, haven't any more Canadian news re getting a Dr. for Suboxone treatment. I had been sitting in Limbo till last Fri to see my own Dr. She is starting the process of referral to the R.O. Mental Health Hospital here in Ottawa. They have an excellent in /out patient treatments. I pray that they do not have a long waiting list. Until then it's just one day at a time.
I am angry at myself, I have gone back to my 120mg Oxy from 100, and scared that my tolerance will want more. But I won't no matter what. Depression was getting the best of me, so although I had such a horrible time with Cymbalta in Sept, my Dr has asked me to try it again at 1/2 dosage. 5days and so far I geel pretty good.

In your experience do people who are on Oxycontin tell you they relate extreme fatigue to it ? What's difficult to separate is if it is from the Oxy or from flareups from CFS. It seems that since back to my 120mg I am even more exhausted. Use to be that 60mg in morning would last 10-12hrs now after less than 8hrs I am done in. I don't want to increase Oxy. Trying for now to just space them out.
Like I said I just pray and take 1 day at time until I can finally get treatment and my life back again. TKS God Bless

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by LucyGoose

Hi Robert, haven't any more Canadian news re getting a Dr. for Suboxone treatment. I had been sitting in Limbo till last Fri to see my own Dr. She is starting the process of referral to the R.O. Mental Health Hospital here in Ottawa. They have an excellent in /out patient treatments. I pray that they do not have a long waiting list. Until then it's just one day at a time.
I am angry at myself, I have gone back to my 120mg Oxy from 100, and scared that my tolerance will want more. But I won't no matter what. Depression was getting the best of me, so although I had such a horrible time with Cymbalta in Sept, my Dr has asked me to try it again at 1/2 dosage. 5days and so far I geel pretty good.

In your experience do people who are on Oxycontin tell you they relate extreme fatigue to it ? What's difficult to separate is if it is from the Oxy or from flareups from CFS. It seems that since back to my 120mg I am even more exhausted. Use to be that 60mg in morning would last 10-12hrs now after less than 8hrs I am done in. I don't want to increase Oxy. Trying for now to just space them out.
Like I said I just pray and take 1 day at time until I can finally get treatment and my life back again. TKS God Bless

Hi Lucy ..... I had been wondering what kind of outcome you had experienced. Do you know yet if the Hospital in Ottawa uses subs or what they do to help you? I can't imagine them not using it especially since there is a generic available now for subutex.

I realize that most government controlled healthcare is determined almost totally by cost much more than where you find a free market like we are sadly about to lose in the USA. I can't believe it's going to happen here, but it appears we will soon have the same obstacles facing those in Canada with people deciding "what kind of" and "when" we will receive health care if at all. I can't even express my anger over that situation. People will face long waiting lines, denials of services they should have, all kinds of things I don't even have to explain to you being in the same type of situation already. American healthcare has been expensive historically but we've been able to get the best care available at the drop of a hat. That is something not too many countries are so lucky to have available.

Don't beat up on yourself too badly for increasing your oxy dose. It happens to lots of us. I can't even guess how many times it happened to me. Just focus on doing the next right thing and try to have faith things will work out in your favor. It would help if you weren't on the extended release oxycontin and were on an instant release pill like a percocet to taper with.

For what it's worth I don't really understand the benefit of the Cymbalta. It's just me and I realize it has a purpose, but it seems way over-used to me without much benefit that I see in these types of situations.

Coming down from oxycontin causes all kinds of problems. I always suggest to people tapering down to get off the time released oxycontins and switch to instant release percocets (oxy/acetaminophen) for the taper. The oxycontins are just tougher. I hate them. Yes the fatigue is a part of the lingering effects of the extened release of the pills along with more depression and other problems as well. Your tolerance is increasing and will continue to increase where the pills' effectveness will diminish in hours or else you'll have to increase the dose. That is one dilemna of RX opiates especially the time released. You'll get to where they don't last over six hours max, maybe even 4-5 hours pretty soon. It drove me almost insane. Some would say it DID drive me totally insane. I know it isn't funny and I'm not laughing really. I just hate oxycontin.

Keep me posted how things are going for you. I'm here if I can do anything to help. God bless.

[LucyGoose]

Hello to all & Merry Christmas too. It's been a very long 2-3wks since I have posted. I am living in limbo. Last on, I was left with all my hopes of starting a withdrawal program asap, sitting on hold, because of policies, wait time and sudden abandonment from that Dr.! Was then left to me to start my search for help again.
I also have just crawled out of that very black hole called depression. There was and still is way too much on my plate to handle. and typically it brought on a pretty wicked flare of CFS. All my previous success of cutting down Oxycontin on my own from 120mg to 100 or 80 was gone, back up and more !
But again with the grace of God I am doing much better.AND back to a steady 100mg.

With the persuading of my regular Dr. I gave Cymbalta another try (1st time was horrific) BUT this time at only 1/2 dose now on 30mg feel great. She (my dr.) called the R.O. (it is a mental health Hospital) and now it is in my lap.

To show initiative,commitment I have to present my self there and ask for help, not her make an appt.
Not trying to procrastinate I still want to begin my new life. But faced with a lot of serious, life hurdles, and Christmas too, just right now timing sucks ! Yet I know that the Oxy is making all these hurdles more difficult to deal with.

Feeling very trapped. My plan is go in right away after Christmas.
So in the meantime it is One Day at a Time, One Prayer at a Time. I am going to win!

p.s Robert I will still need you then.

[LucyGoose]

Hi Robert & Melinda , Merry Christmas, I just posted and update of my situation, hope that you can find it. I hope I can still count on your help when I finally get in to the R.O.. at this point I don't even know if they will agree to let me use your proven method of withdrawal, and that is the only way I want to use. I'll keep you up to date. God Bless

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Hi Lucy ..... I had been wondering what kind of outcome you had experienced. Do you know yet if the Hospital in Ottawa uses subs or what they do to help you? I can't imagine them not using it especially since there is a generic available now for subutex.

I realize that most government controlled healthcare is determined almost totally by cost much more than where you find a free market like we are sadly about to lose in the USA. I can't believe it's going to happen here, but it appears we will soon have the same obstacles facing those in Canada with people deciding "what kind of" and "when" we will receive health care if at all. I can't even express my anger over that situation. People will face long waiting lines, denials of services they should have, all kinds of things I don't even have to explain to you being in the same type of situation already. American healthcare has been expensive historically but we've been able to get the best care available at the drop of a hat. That is something not too many countries are so lucky to have available.

Don't beat up on yourself too badly for increasing your oxy dose. It happens to lots of us. I can't even guess how many times it happened to me. Just focus on doing the next right thing and try to have faith things will work out in your favor. It would help if you weren't on the extended release oxycontin and were on an instant release pill like a percocet to taper with.

For what it's worth I don't really understand the benefit of the Cymbalta. It's just me and I realize it has a purpose, but it seems way over-used to me without much benefit that I see in these types of situations.

Coming down from oxycontin causes all kinds of problems. I always suggest to people tapering down to get off the time released oxycontins and switch to instant release percocets (oxy/acetaminophen) for the taper. The oxycontins are just tougher. I hate them. Yes the fatigue is a part of the lingering effects of the extened release of the pills along with more depression and other problems as well. Your tolerance is increasing and will continue to increase where the pills' effectveness will diminish in hours or else you'll have to increase the dose. That is one dilemna of RX opiates especially the time released. You'll get to where they don't last over six hours max, maybe even 4-5 hours pretty soon. It drove me almost insane. Some would say it DID drive me totally insane. I know it isn't funny and I'm not laughing really. I just hate oxycontin.

Keep me posted how things are going for you. I'm here if I can do anything to help. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lucy
we will be here for you...I you want I will put up my e-mail so you can get us any time your ready...let me know, we with ya girl
Melinda

[LucyGoose]

Hello again, this is 2nd attempt to reply, I m getting this error message something about not having a V something reader etc. will write it down if it happens again......anyways

Wanted to say thanks that would be great. Great to know I have you in my corner. Gets lonely here sometimes. FIY I live in Ottawa,Ontario, Canada and we are having our 1st Major snow storm 25-30cm, ahh only in Canada they say eh ! But wouldn't be Christmas without it. Darlene (Lucy Goose)